Henry VII: The Secret Life Of England's Most Sinister Monarch | The Winter King | Timeline 

Thank you for taking me places that I can never go.

17:53 That painting is of young Henry VIII, not prince Arthur. The painting shown at 48:02 is Arthur. You've got them mixed up.

You've discounted the role of Henry's mother in bringing him to the throne and arranging the marriage with Elizabeth.

As has been alluded to in other comments,his mother's story is even more extraordinary imo.

What I appreciate about medieval Monarchs is that they actually went out and fought battles! They went out and defended their kingdoms. They’re not just sitting in their castles they’re doing things!

Henry VII was a descendant of Welsh Royalty and Edward I via Eleanor of England on his father’s side. Describing him as a mere servant suggests he was nothing more than a stable hand.

It’s a shame that Henry VII is overshadowed by his son and grandchildren, if he hadn’t won Bosworth there would have been no tudors

Always loving these videos, well done lads, looking forward to dive into this one ❤

I'm not a fan of the Tudors, but you can't deny that they as a dynasty shaped England (and the UK) for centuries to come.

They all wanted this power and fought to get and keep it but it seems every one of them ended up miserable in their life.

Excellent narrative. It goes to the heart of this king. I like it, when the historian reveals the core of a historical personality.

A fascinating period and well explained by the historian

I don’t think he had a hunger for power, his mother had that hunger!

Somewhat ironic that Henry's dreams of a dynasty in Prince Arthur were destroyed by the sweating sickness that some have attributed to the mercenary army that he used to seize the throne from Richard. Once that victorious army entered London, after Bosworth, it wasn't long before the first major recorded outbreak of 'The Sweat' hit England, killing thousands. It would come back to hit poor and rich alike for the next 66 years, including the twin sons of Henry's son-in-law, Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk (he who was also the son of Henry's standard bearer at Bosworth!).

I’m not sure that Thomas More would agree that Henry VIII was an improvement over Henry VII.

Excellent program and I learned a lot too!

Wonderfully presented. The lessons of this dynasty resonate both forward and backward in time; a chill ran up and down my spine as I was watching this.

What’s with the comments painting Henry & his mother as paragon’s of evil while Richard was this poor martyred saint? Richard had good qualities AND did shady things to take the crown. Margaret & Henry too. They were all ambitious, products of their times.

Hampton Court Palace was built by Cardinal Wolsey during the reign of Henry viii.

Thank you. I love this period of history. You have presented each person with his/her own personal wants/desires, yet not giving in to suppositions, or ideas not supported by facts. Most excellent research and narration. Loved it.

The Tudors were quickly followed by the Fordors and then the Hatchbacks.

My interest of William I to Charles III.. I have come to the conclusion that Henry VII is arguably the biggest reason that England became the powerhouse that dominated the world. 130 years of wars and he cleaned it all up (relatively). He sorted out the monarch/army’s dependence on the parliament. He made the crown wealthy in its own right. He gave relative peace and raised crown funds from mostly the wealthy. He wasn’t spending silly amount either but he did jump on paying for things such as reaching the Americas 2nd after Spain. Forward thinking yet conservative. Also importantly and what distinguishes him from say Henry 2nd or Edward 3rd or Henry 8th.. Henry 7th nailed succession and gave decent chance of first properly English dynasty without creating a situation of immediate infighting or ridiculous wars In my mind Henry Tudor is the king who made England into the power it became more than any other single monarch. Henry VII Edward I William III Elizabeth I is my current Mount Rushmore of monarchs that made England and Britain successful in relative terms to other monarchies.

That was brilliant, really enjoyed that

I love history, to know why things are like they are now, how the people before shaped what legacy we all live In today

I’m not a huge fan of the royal family. But I do like learning the history about them . We can’t change history but can learn from it

Thank you, i love the Tudor period. Very intersting video, i enjoyed its content immensely.

I feel that this is a rather miserly account of Henry's achievements. Given the turbulence of the times, his paranoid autocracy was probably unavoidable. The alternative would have been continuing bloody and disruptive civil wars. His son and his grandchildren were equally brutal in securing the throne, so I for one don't judge him too harshly. But he should also be given credit for modernising the fiscal system, developing commerce and trade, reducing the disruptive power of the nobility and patronising scholarship and the arts. He also largely avoided ruinous entanglements in France. So he ushered in a period of relative peace and prosperity, creating the foundations of the modern centralised state.

Fantastic documentary. Thank you for posting this.

His wife played an important role too, since her claim to the throne was stronger, their marriage strengthened his.

I did not know of the extent of Henry’s ruthlessness. I’ve re-thought my opinion of him as a king. I can understand why he was such a suspicious man. but not extorting money from the nobles and even worse from his hardworking subjects. Thank you.

The Tudors were Welsh. The present Welsh flag is the Tudor family banner with a red dragon on it.

Fabulous! Thank you - what a great presenter, much more my style..this fella knows how to tell a story. I didn't know that about the date change, I'd still turn out for Richard the Third, I love that Duke of Gloucester.

I enjoyed that. Thank you.

I’m quite a fan of Henry VII, and many of the Tudors. For the first time in history,he seemed to actually bring a sense of stability, dedication and a great organization to Britain.

People can say what they wanna say about this king but obviously he was very intelligent and business minded. He knew just how to deal with the rich and wealth of england when they got out of hand......ATTACK THEIR POCKETS!!!!🤷😎

Fabulous content & narration!

Very good. Thank you.

Excellent documentary. 👍

Well done!

The clock tower looks really magnificent after its restoration. I expected the dial to have a more royal blue color.

Thanks. 🙏

According to the narrator, Thomas More's words about a "happy life" were in fact fulfilled though briefly

Really well told.

Truly excelent.

Great story!

Very good!

Awesome

Totally riveting🌹

So many Henrys ! 🤯I cannot untangle them all ! It's a madhouse ! A MADHOUSE !

Why wouldn't he be suspicious. Henry VII was just another plotter in a long series of plotters to secure the crown for themselves or their family.

Sinister? Really? He showed more character than his son ever showed.

It was an informative and wonderful historical coverage documentary about Henry VII monarch..in Britain 🇬🇧 from 1485 and going forward 👍🏻

Really interesting

It was necessary for Henry 7 to be the first Two Door king, because his younger son, the most memorable in English history, extended his circumference in his later years. This most memorable king, Henry VIII, fathered England's most memorable queen, Elizabeth 1.

Excellent video

And he seemed such a nice fellow in Sir Lawrence Oliviers version of Richard the Third, heh!

They keep releasing this doco the book the winter King is awesome

This had a real Empire Strikes Back ending, didn't it?

Excellent

This is so interesting and well done! I never knew about Henry VII. He looks like----well, I wouldn't cross him! At the same time he seemed to have truly loved his wife and son whereas Henry VIII was a complete psychopath. And I admire anyone who makes beautiufl buildings. The presenter is extremely enjoyable! Great storytelling!

Sounds like Machiavelli would have loved Henry 7

Owen Tudor was not simply a chamber servant

Where Henry VIII would go after your head (there is a disputed claim that he signed 77,000 death warrants in the course of his reign), his father Henry VII would go after your wallet. The father terrorised the English establishment more than the son.

As a Canadian, I was under the impression that Henry VIII was England's Most Sinister, (Left Handed), Monarch. Yes Sinister actually means "of or on the left side; left". Dexter is the opposite of sinister "of or on the right side; left". Makes you think, eh?

I love Toby and his work with Todd at Todd's workshop. I always thought it was hilarious that an American is in charge of the of the wallace collection. stick it to the brits

What an operator, a Welshman, major alliances, married Elizabeth of York and building up cash reserves and providing stability in the dawn of the age of exploration and humanism of Erasmus

I can't really concentrate with these short ads every five minutes. Get rid of them.

You're such a good artist 😍

Superb material and presentation from Thomas Penn ... he should perhaps lash out and buy a new pair of shoes, although they do look very comfortable (8:45)

Henry VII, the usurper, is the person who had the very best motive to kill Edward V and his little brother.

Threads of this past are running through the trumpet -who- wants- to- be-king

they got inside the cage of the winter king's tomb. that doesn't just happen for anyone. I am of the opinion that the paranoid, mercurial fragility of mind that all the Tudors displayed was the result of a previous melding of two rival families. the Lancastrians and the Valois. Hank7's great-grandmother, Catherine, was the daughter of the Valois king who thought he was made of glass. this fragility was also on full display in his numerical predecessor, Hank6.

There is a bit of time discrepancy of Hampton Court Palace the great hall and adjoining rooms shown in this video was not built until 1514 for Cardinal Wolsey 5 years after the death of Henry VII. Then in 1529 Wolsey gavel the palace to Henry VIII. So Henry VII never set foot in this building as shown in the video. Yes palaces were built as described room after room and I’m sure he is correct in stating that the closer you got to the king the more important you were.

His mommy connived it for him. 😂😂😂

Edmund Dudley, the executed extorting grandfather of Robert Dudley, favorite of Elizabeth I.

Too many adverts. At one point there was only one! Sentence between two adverts. Ridiculous

This had the promise to be a great listen to do chores. But the ads every 3 minutes we unbareable. Pass.

You are the only historian I have heard acknowledge the fact that the illegitimate Beauforts were barred from inheriting the throne. Even Edward IV and Richard III’s grandmother was a Beaufort. However the Yorkists lineage was through two of Edward III’s progeny whereas the Lancastrians was from the usurpation of Richard II’s throne by Henry IV. IT IS VERY SELDOM THAT THIS POINT IS MADE. Fantastic documentary, however seeing you in those archives in Westminster worries me. In these volatile times in which we live where history seems not to be valued, I worry that those beautiful manuscripts of our history could so easily be destroyed, especially by fire.

its mentioned the civil war , between yorkist & lancastrian cousins, across not just england, but ireland & wales,... nathen amin ,has a book on the tudor origins and the house of beaufourt...

I read years ago that Henry VII had been given the sobriquet "The Fox," but now I can't find any reference to that. Anybody know?

@38:32

His mother was cray cray and obsessed with power

You've got that wrong. His 2nd son was the most sinister and his 1st granddaughter was more sinister than her grandpa. And Henry VII killed off the murderous and ruthless Richard III. And Henry was stingy but left the Monarchy in good fiscal shape. So he may have been ruthless and sinister, but not the most. And you had to be brutal to be a monarch anyway.

I always thought that Henry VIII was "England's most sinister monarch." Wasn't he the one who was killing anybody who looked cross-eyed at him, especially his wives?

Me in gym stopping workout and corner myself to check the output of the battle.

I have been saying for years that Henry Tudor is far more a great man in history than his son. He was the last English King to take the crown in battle. It's like Edsel Ford being lorded and forgetting about Henry, the father of modern motoring.

Thank you for shining a light on this often ignored king. There must have been, if course, many rather dark reasons for his gaining of the crown. But I wonder if there were also some sort worthy impetus. Henry saved England from a bloody civil war, and he ruled with a degree of apparent caring of his country.

Not so much the "Golden Henry" of Shakespearean myth.

Gotta be like at least fourth or fifth time this channel has uploaded this documentary lol

The Tudors were megalomaniacs…just like all royalty back then. I find it odd that we should be upset about Henry VII having a less ‘legitimate’ claim to the throne. As if being born a son of someone was any great way to choose a leader, or in any way resulted in good governance.

Man in gumboots--- ooh, look- clouds! Ponderous music. Man walking.... Streuth- GET ON WITH IT A 30 minutes material padded to an hour

I wonder, had Arthur lived, would he have been Arthur the first, or second 🤔

2 cars colliding at 50 mph each has an impact of 100 mph for each car.

the real game of thrones

They call Henry vii a usurper. It seems that whoever was the most powerful held the throne starting back to 1066, so how can he be a usurper?

Off-topic, but someone refer this host to a tailor! Those bunchy pants are at least 4” too long, ludicrous for a suit.

Ducked down amid his knights , while Richard III swung his ax.

Perking Warbeck, we hardly knew you! Ha!

How is Winchester "the legendary seat of Camelot"? Never heard that before. Camelot was Camelodenum, the original Roman capital of Britain - and its in Essex. Apart from that, a great video.

So according to the narrator, Arthur died in '152'. (Don't forget th 35:19 e 0, laddy!)