@@curljamz3905 that's a good choice during the nineties I always wanted to see pac and face collaboration glad it happened in August 96 a month before pac got killed
Not to mention when he brought Nas out on stage during one of his concerts. Even after Nas bodied him on Either. Jay will latch himself to whomever is hot at the time.
ryanr20091 the streets fucked with jayz Made songs for hustlers. Tf are you talking about. Jay was also never jealous of camron and camron never said that. Jay had a problem with dame and dame spitefully signed the dip set
Ceno when you said “all J do is steal other rappers identity” I was done right there👍🏿. Jay-Z has been accused of stealing other rappers identity since his career started. At first J stole Biggie style and so fourth. That’s just like DMX and Ja Rule stealing 2pac look and style, I call the “Post PAC era” because once 2pac past a whole bunch of rappers stole 2pac steelo.
@@encouraginglyauthentic43 it's not about dick riding any time the king of ny b.i.g at the time said he next in line for the crown all the top mcs says he nice
The only thing Jay did "Right" that everyone else in The Roc did "Wrong" is play the game and take the devil's deal. I would like him a whole whole lot more of he didn't fuck up everyone else's good money just so his insecurities could be satisfied that he's superior.
@@haydenphoenix3836 Yeah, he and Bey have that in common, he wasn’t lying about Big Pimpin’. I only just recently found out about about the weird culty shit he’s into-always knew about his history telling girls “take a ride with me.”, his job interview process. Entertainment is a filthy industry as a whole.
You will NEVER be able to call any rapper the greatest because you ask 100 different people and you will get 1000 different opinions on who the greatest is.
@@reggaefan2700 Actually most would have a different opinion in general about this topic. Ive heard people say KRS one, Big L, Nas, Big daddy Kane, Jadakiss, Big Pun Biggie. Like Nas said in ether it ain't no best.
This is why I never debate or argue or play the list game because 1) none of is qualify to speak on the "A" and the "T" in GOAT: we haven't always lived as long as time and we will pass on from time at some point, so, no, not "Of All Time"; if anything "of my generation" or "of ____ era" or "of [fill in whatever year]". 2) ART IS SUBJECTIVE. Men get out of control with competition gor competition's sake sometimes; it is perfectly fine to say Jay Z doesn't do it for you but Lil Wayne or Bun B is everything--no one can refute that if Bun B got you through your baby father making a baby on you at the same time you pushed out or if Lil Wayne gave you the confidence to win the interest of the hardest to fucc bitch you ever seen.
That's not finesse that's snake shit: Jay stay wanting to be the only xigga up as if Black People who invent global culture don't need community; Sean Corey's arrogance is on a whole other level, and I don't find that shit admirable. We ALL can and should eat good.
So Hov can’t be the greatest rapper of all time cuz he has the same haircut as J. Cole, reinvented his sounded after a flop, and closed out an album series. Wow
“ His manuscript just sound stupid when KRS already made an album called Blueprint! “ - Nas...Once Nas exposed Jay he fell out of the greatest of all time and top 5 convo IMO! 🤷🏿♂️
How? Hater....Who Progress? Who DIDN'T? Genius.... Make Sense ... There is NO Rapper That Has a Better RESUME or Achievements Than HOV! .... You Entitled to Like What You Like....Real People Know The TRUTH....if it's is NOT Him Than Who???????
You've been in this 10, I've been in it five; smarten up, Nas! Four albums in 10 years, nigga? I could divide That's one every... let's say two, two of them shits was doo One was "nah...," the other was Illmatic That's a one-hot-album-every-10-year average And that's so (Lame)
@@eddiedelarge12that resume is dotted with booboo and stolen lyrics and concepts. Not borrowed, jacked. Nas catalogue just in the past 6 yrs eclipses whatever Jay z thought he was doing past blueprint 3
His best albums is compilation albums seriously top five Mc’s and lyricist is 1 rakim 2 nas 3 biggie 4 jay 5 2pac and six Eminem I’m not talking about popularity or mainstream or commercial wise
Also a deadbeat father but this is who folks look up too why it's he all on tv why aren't they speaking about how he neglected his daughter for 28yrs it's hush hush on that but they gave r Kelly hell because he was behind on child support this shit is full of favoritism
MY "AMERICAN NIGHTMARE" JOINT THAT ALL THA' MAINSTREAM RAPPERS PEEPED-OUT BEHIND THA' SCENES LAST YEAR TOPS THEM ALL!!! BELIEVE THAT!!! #FROMTHA'REALESTTALKINVENTOR!!!
I'm treating rap like the corner/fuck with me if you wanna/ my raps changed but my mind frame remains the same/ I gotta protect what is mine - Jay-z come and get me 99'
Nas is the greatest rapper. “If I ruled the world” meant something to every black person and is a example of the kind of music we need to listen too. Their is no song in hip hop history that touches the soul like this one. And his 1st couple albums can only be compared to Biggie or PAC.
Fam I tried to tell people that argue nas isn’t the greatest or at best top 2 that if I ruled the world is one of the main reasons if you just sit back and listen to how he shares on how his interpretation of a perfect world would be like is phenomenal then to make it extra dope he shows his love and respect to some of the forefathers of hip hop kurtis blow with the hook and whodini with the sample and the beautiful Lauren hill another revolutionary top 2 female emcee ever singing the hook this is the definition of a perfect hip hop song I’m sorry nothing JAY-Z, B.I.G., pac, em or anybody ever spit is better then the second verse of this song nothing
Karceno you are right they are always putting him and Biggie up together I would not say he is not a top 5 rapper because he is but when people put him better then big I ask them what jayz album can step on ready to die
Jayz too damn commercial. He hasn't had a hot line in decades. His. Content is forced. Rappers like tupac, nas common, scarface, a tribe called quest de la soul there content carries so much substance. Jayz first album reasonable doubt is his only real classic.
He was NEVER the greatest rapper of all time to me. If DOC never lost his voice who knows how big he would've been. If Tupac never died who knows how many Diamond selling albums he could have made.If DMX kept himself sober long enough to realize he had momentum and fire in his hand in the 2000s who knows how good his catalog would've turned out(catalog is still good) plus no matter how successful Jay z is he can never erase the L that was ether.
@Jamaal Davis this man said X wasn’t on Hov’ level!!?? My guy X was the biggest act in music after flesh of my flesh came out. Jay- Z even now has never been as big as dmx on a mainstream level. Where is Hov’s Hollywood blockbusters at? Two #1 albums in one year, boy you need to stop
"after the black album, you will be very pressed to find a Jay-Z album that was even good after that" that's laughable lol I can make a case that American Gangster album was his second best album he ever dropped
Nah, he was just too busy already doing an independent run. Creating leverage and doing partnerships with labels. He also has been around since the 80's .
@@Willie_Stark You're proving my point Jay wasn't doing none of that Jaz showed him the game then Dame was taking care of all the business you just made that shit up in your head
@@slowburnraloh1807 go back and listen to X albums then listen to J albums back to back and you'll see its easy X albums were way better. J is nice though
The Dynasty was his only greatest album compared to all of his other albums... even though he copied Pac words Money over bitches.. he definitely copied Pacs style on that Dynasty album 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
@@YUNGFRESH25bklyn versatile gtfoh lmao ? What other rapper got the ladies got the mothers loving him ? Got the gangstas and the hood loving him , has respect from conscious rappers like Chuck d+ Common Plus is a bonifide movie star? That's the definition of versatility UR dead WRONG today + twice on Sunday, Not that Nas doesn't have some those things but he's not the Global icon 2pac is
Jay hasn’t done anything to shift the culture...he definitely follows the trends. I was done when Jay started rapping like the Migos over Future trap beats. I wanna see Jay step outside of his comfort zone and be creative.
He'll never do that he has that if ain't broke don't fix it mentality that's why i like Kanye as the better artist because he takes risks even tho Jay-Z is the better rapper between those two
My top 10 reason Jay is not the GOAT: 10. Blueprint 2 9. Blueprint 3 8. KINGDOM COME 7. Swagger Jacker - (Cam exposed Jay stealing lines over his career) 6. BIGGIE > JayZ 5. Nas 4. LL 3. KANE 2. RAKIM 1. Pac I like JayZ but the ppl in the top 6 have music that ecsplices JayZ 🎶 🎵
I think Jay has better music over an extended period than LL, Kane and Rakim... LL has 2 classic albums and one very good album... a whole bunch of hit singles, but a whole bunch of album flops, too... after the early '90s, he became boring. Kane has one classic album and one good album... he tried to be a lover/playboy like LL and came out sounding way corny... he's definitely an architect like LL for his '80s output, but his overall career is pretty bland. Rakim has 3 classic albums with Eric B., but a lackluster solo career... he and Kane had the best two songs on the Juice soundtrack, though, but after Let the Rhythm Hit Em, his career kinda tapered off to me. Jay has one bonafide classic and 2 arguable classic albums, so 1-3 classics, depending on who you ask.. he also has several good albums and several mediocre albums... his output is greater than the others because he released 10 albums in like 10 years... he also has a slew of hit singles and he has been able to remain relevant over 3 different decades, which is something that the other MCs on your list failed to do
Blueprint 2 was hard kingdom come ify blueprint 3 ify but resonabl doubt classic vol 1 classic vol 3 classic blueprint 1 classic black album classic only 2 contesting hov pen is big and big L .... Big L didn't get to drop a album but you can tell from the 97 freestyle hov and big got they styles from him ready to die big got busy but life after has never been touched and that was 97 which is. Why i say hov to rich to get ahead of these waves cause big and hov obviously got hold of that style before big L got to use it but hov was fone sign him before he died and big probably wanted to atleast put him on so its not a mark against them for it
He's okay. I never saw anything outstanding about his rapping. It's all hype. If a money machine got behind u and Bribing most of the radio stations. You'd be considered great. Most rappers are fools and so are most of the people listening to it. What positive do u get out of it but ignorance
You sound like a real block, I’m give you this one for free. A great rapper said this verse” no idea is original, there’s nothing new under the sun”. You can’t be mad at the man for perfecting his craft. I can respect you more by saying you don’t like him. Just keep it there.
@@nickp8670 50 is good but not better than Jay Z 50 cent is overrated a lot of what he rap is the same he does get deep at time but majority of what rap is the same I sell drugs I'll kill, despite being very rich I'll still kill, hey girl let me get em up jeans
Deundre Kid I think 50 is a better rapper than Jay imo but you got a point 50 raps about the same 4 or 3 things Guns,money,drugs and how he will kill a mf but I’ll still bump 50 over Jay any day.
Deundre Kid The thing I find very strange about Jays career vs 50s career is that 50s worst albums sold more than Jays best albums so you mean to tell me more people was buying 50s albums over jay but Jay is supposed to be this God MC that everybody in hip-hop shows respect to idk bro I never understood that the top 3 or 5 MCs in hip-hop according to the general hip-hop fan is Jay,Em,Nas,Biggie,2PAC and 50 has sold more albums than Jay Nas and Biggie and according to most people those rappers are leagues above 50 lol but then why ain’t all these people that put them in there top 5s buying there albums ik album’s sales don’t equate to you being a good rapper but it definitely shows the support of your fans 50 sold more albums/records than Nas and Jay by his second album that’s crazy to me honestly I feel like Jay is overrated 50 always been a better rapper than Jay imo I feel like 50 would be up there with Nas Jay Biggie and PAC if he didn’t beef with so many rappers and people behind the scenes he burned too many bridges.
Jay Z changed his style (rapping fast) to slowing his style down after nas dropped illmatic. He then stole camp lo beat, big died he took some of his rhymes. Took young Chris style and blocked him. Calvin Klein, deHaven has more stories of Jay swagger Jagger in my Cam'ron voice
Hov got the catalog...music .songs..hits...cmon man...cmon..wit the fuckery.....sto hating on da nigga....he checks all the boxes..n doesn't write shit down...cmon ..classic album..dope production...n etc.....wtf...he skill speaks 4 self..a 🐐🐐💯
@@jamaaldavis6456 Jay is good but he has major strikes against him from stealing from biggie and taking alot from Nas and then beefing with and losing the battle with Nas. Jay did alot of snake stuff in the game and it really made people look at him funny.
Karceno is right,that CASHMONEY/RUFF RYDERS ERA AND TOUR,inside intel say he paid and lobbied to be apart of both albums,ruff ryders compilation,and Juvenile 400 Degreeez,as beanie said juvenile didn’t contact J that boy J went looking.same with Ross and Jeezy
50cent finally said it:he never really sold or had impact.u ride all the temporary impactful waves throughout the years,and just stay average,then years later...look the all fell off I’m still here I’m the goat,it’s genius.
Jarrel Ely facts are all them in they prime outsold him 400Degreez:5x platinum Vol.2 2x platinum Dmx flesh of my flesh/it’s dark 2 albums in the same year over 5xplatinium.he sold 10 million in 98 jay the only sold 2 Not talking about who you like or who can rap the best,he even knew they had the best impact that’s why jay is on juvenile 400 degrees when it’s sounds out of place,that’s why “What’s my name” by jay z is on ruff ryders 1st compilation.
I agree and have been saying this for years, Jay's best attribute is riding the coat tails of whatever is popular to stay relevant. He's a good rapper, has classic albums but he's never been the goat imo!
Oh Ceno you was buggin on this one. I was with you all the way til you got to the 3 minute mark and said Jay hasn’t had a good album since Black album. Yea you got something personal going on with Jay to even think that was true. American Gangster is a top 5 Jay album bruh. And 4:44 was dope too 🤨
Jay is the LeBron James of the rap game. He needed help from many ppl and the industry to get to a top level status. Plus too many rappers were at the top and above him during his popular years as a rapper. 2pac, Nas, Beanie Siegel, Eminem, Drake, Wayne,etc.
Other then PAC jay was bigger then everybody you named he didn't need anybody to shine he went toe to toe with the 🐐 big and held his own twice once hard knock life dropped it was over top dog 🐕 for years
Nigga what 😂🤦🏾♂️ LeBron plays a TEAM sport. Where you need a team to win. No great player wins alone. Jay Z is in the rap game. Two completely different things.
@@MFjaYWiLL man cut the jokes what rapper since his has done a cross country tour you can't do that if you not the hottest rapper it don't matter anybody you no or claim was hotter then him in any I guarantee to you he better then song for song bar for bar catalog for catalog FACT'S
1. Public Service Announcement 2. What More Can I Say 3. Dirt Off Your Shoulder 4. The Ruler's Back 5. Heart of the City (Ain't No Love) 6. A Million And 1 Questions/ Rhyme No More 7. Rap Game/ Crack Game 8. Coming of Age 9. Jigga What, Jigga Who 10. feelin it 11. can't knock the hustle 12. D'evils 13. dead presidents II 14. 22 two's 15. Coming of Age 16. So Ghetto 17. Can I Live 18. D'evils 19. A Million And One (extended remix) 20. This Can't Be Life 21. U Don't Know In no particular order With a ton of features I did not include
I’m not a Jay-Z fan and have never been. I like a couple of his songs from time to time. But never the G.O.A.T. Never. I agree wit you 100% One of my main reasons is that I never heard a PRO BLACK or Socially Conscious song from him. Like a P.E., Tupac, or old Ice Cube song. Granted, I never listened to all his albums though.
He saw he had to reintroduce himself to the masses to the younger people when he came back and he has grown as a person with every album he talks about it he taught this generation of rappers to become the best hustler not just the best rapper or m.c. even his biggest personal issues he made a album out of it 4:44 😂😂...only people I wouldn't argue over him is nas or em after pac and b.i.g. obviously..but nobody can pump out 13 album without growing as a person and talking about it every album to me that's one of many reasons why the best to me..he told people he was coming to be the best and he did
Facts, people just wanna hear JAY rhyme a bunch of random bars, and he even said in a interview, he can do that all day, but that’s not enough to do an album, he raps real content and subject matter, people just hate and choose not to respect his growth. 🐐
@@StevenEskridge6003 the argument is he the goat or not and i can give you better names . hes arguably top 10 but hes not top 5 because of his swagga jacking ways unoriginality . he got spanked by nas in 01got murdered by eminem on his own track lol.he got scared of jadakiss so he lets beans fight his battle. i would argue 50cent was better and it doesnt sound ridiculous lol
@@718NIGGA listen jayz got ethered so he can never be the goat and hip hop heads will never forget that . his content is other peoples content and nobody real knows who he is as an emcee because hes taken from so many legends
444 Was pretty good and original .If we look at Reasonable Doubt we find tracks were he is spitting on another dimension.He is very introspective and makes great references.
2PAC Is The Only Rapper That Has Prophesied About Black Life In America and Have It Still Apply To Our Life Today...Very Few Rappers Have Multiple Albums That Sticks As Well As 2PAC Albums Still Stick👈🏿#BIGFACTS
@@wojosquad4680 Jay Z Raps About Being a Billionaire Corporate Puppet aka Sellout.. While 2pac Spoke Out Against The Oppression Black People Suffer From as a Result Of Corporate Puppets aka Sellouts...Jay Z's No Threat To Them People!! He's a Fuckin 🤡😏😏😏
Jay Z is by far the most overrated rapper of all time. Me and my friends used too almost come to fist blows arguing how good he actually was. Never thought Jay was trash just not top 20. I would argue how 2 pac Nas Redman were better. He would be like nah. He was even saying it was over for Nas after Take Over. Then Ether dropped the look on his face as he heard it for the first time was priceless.
Ceno he’s not on coles wave him and his wife are on some spiritual stuff and that’s why he has the dreads you can’t front on the music period who makes better albums consistently than hov what’s wrong with changing up
Kingdom come album wasn’t bad how your making he had hits on there and that intro could rival Meeks intro lost one and some more was tough puff gave him those old sounds so what American gangster was hard he had some strong joints on there
The first time I heard the expression The GOAT in rap was LL Cool J. Everybody's copying it since. Muhammed Ali said it first in sports. The fact that JayZ said he's like Ike Turner in Drunk Love and says "Eat the cake Anna Mae!" pisses me off
I agree. As great a rapper that Jay is, he has always been a swagger jacker. Lack of consistent creativity and his fetish for trend following keep him from best ever in my opinion.
@@jamessaunders5554 he started putting kid Cudi on his albums, stealing from Kanye west, doing features with Coldplay Come on you know he hopping on other ppl swag when he put kid Cudi on his album
Jay z could never be considered the greatest rapper because everyone has their own opinion about who the greatest rapper is. You ask 10 different people who their favorite rapper is and you'll get 10 different answers.
@@malikgod Not really because I've heard many answers, people have said 2pac, Biggie, Rakim, KRS one, Kool G rap, Jadakiss, Nas, Kane, Big L, Kane. So like I said you ask 10 different people and you'll get 10 different answers.
@@donnelladams8362 that kinda is the same names you always hear. but no one says Kool g rap, or Jada is the greatest rapper of all time. they maybe a person favorite rapper
I agree Ceno I been saying this to Jay Z Stans for years I like Jays music a lot he's just not better then Nas Pac or Big he bites too much and isn't very creative there's so many Jay albums I don't care for I don't like blueprint 2 or 3 didn't like magna carta American Gangster was dope but like you said he had to steal the idea from the movie I agree completely💯
@James Anderson that's called being versatile like he said in what more can I say IM NOT A BITER IM A WRITER FOR MYSELF And OTHERS I SAY BIG VERSE IM ONLY BIGGIN UP MY BROTHER BIGGIN UP MY BORROW IM BIG ENOUGH TO DO IT IM THAT THARROW PLUS I NO MY OWN FLOW IS FOOLISH
Ceno buggin tho, Blueprint wasnt no compilation. He murdered the whole project. Jay was never almost done. Some projects did better than others but Jay has always been one of the best MCs since Reasonable Doubt.
@@only1geod His sound is unique, he might have showed respect to his predecessors by using a bar or 2 but his own flow was just as hot. Listen to "Renegade", "Brush Ya Shoulders off" "The Rulers Back'. He didn't sound like anyone in the game. 💯
@karceno u hv a huge point about JayZ mane. He is a rhyme biter, i remember he did me & my girlfriend song like pac did. To become relevant!! After pac died but it still wasnt authentic.. he got Beyonce to help that wave!°°
Lew Jones And Andre never said he was the best of all time everyone else depicts him that way that’s another thing that stands out about him dude humble.
Ceno is %100 correct, vol 2 was a compilation album with lots of features. Vol 3 was feature heavy. Dynasty was a compilation album that was changed into a jay z album to sell more records. Blueprint and black album were Jay z mostly rapping alone and also his best albums IMO
