For those of you who only want a 4-team playoff format, don’t watch until we get down to the last 4 teams. Let the rest of us enjoy watching 12 deserving teams fight it out on the football field.
Teams like LSU, Penn state, Utah, Ole Miss, and Oregon might be serious playoff contenders in the 12 team playoff. They usually average 10-2 or 9-3 seasons.
Oregon should have at least 2 nattys by now if they didn't choke football games when it matters like losing to Stanford and asu when your team is really good😂 the pain of oregon fans
Unpopular opinion, but someone will always complain about being left out as an at large. Pretty soon it will turn to 16, 20, etc. The very same people that didn’t like the computerized system (BCS) are now complaining about the CFP. It will turn into a never ending cycle until everyone gets a trophy.
"The very same people that didn’t like the computerized system (BCS) are now complaining about the CFP" Probably because its much of the same system...... The BCS was NEVER fully computer rankings....... 1998-2001 BCS rankings were 50% human polls + 50% computer polls then after the controversy of 2001 this changed in 2002-2013 to 66% human polls + 33% computer polls. Per solely computer polls - Florida would literally not have made either title game they played in. So why is there similarity in people who were against the BCS as the CFP? Because the majority of voting was still just humans in a room picking teams.
A real playoff is what college football has needed for years. Sure there are always going to be teams people think should have been in but nowhere near the travesty that the 4 team playoff produces. Plus this is going to make bowl games so much more important and fun to watch. I would bet viewership of the playoff bowl games is going to be much higher than when they meant nothing.
The Home Games are gonna be insane. I do believe however that the committee will rerank teams to where we don’t have repeat matchups which I think is good because I don’t want to see a Ohio state Penn State game in the 1st round
@@matthewhowe3727 no way penn state would make it past at least the second round. they'ree defense could easily hurt a struggling first round offense tho.
What is great about this video is you clearly spell it out for us: settle it on the field. Win your regular season games, win your conference, win your play off games. Just win and you're in - no worries. That's how football should be. No "best" or "eye test" BS.
@@patrickburns6310 and that's unforgivable. It doesn't matter that they would have likely been blown out by Michigan - the reliance on "the eye test" and subjectivity is really disappointing.
The 4 team playoff has never been good in any years it’s just been better in some years than others. The reason is simple math. You have a power 5 conference setup and only 4 spots in the CFP. Means one conference is left out entirely every year and in some cases two are left out. More often than not it’s a 2 loss pac-12, ACC, or Big12 team getting left out. Hard to claim you are the best when you don’t face the other conferences at all. It’s easy to say everyone outside of the Big10 and SEC just aren’t as good when you never play them. The expanded playoffs will put that to rest once and for all.
I'm excited for the 12 team playoff. And even this year, it would've been awesome to have Iowa, Louisville, and Oklahoma State playing for not only a conference title, but also a chance at a national title.
They should’ve gone to 6 or 8. This version will be the death of the regular season. You will never have a Mich vs OSU game like we had this season again. Or an iron bowl like this season
They already have a multi-team playoff in the lower divisions and it works just fine. In division one, it’s all about money! Those that have all the money don’t want to share it. A multi-team playoff would be exciting for all college football fans and a great boost to the sport as a whole.
Completely disagree that the 4 team playoff was better. On the surface it may seem pretty straightforward, but the main issues are the lack of transparency in the selection process and the lack of a clear criteria for teams to meet in order to get in. Having a group of people subjectively decide who the four best teams are is stupid, especially when that group of people aren't forced to clearly show what criteria they used to determine who those four best teams are. The 12 team playoff is better because now there is a clearly established criteria for teams to make the playoffs. Win your conference and you're in (as long as it's one of the conferences that gets an automatic bid). It's like a combination of the NFL's playoff system and the NCAA basketball tournament. Pretty solid system if you ask me.
I agree a 64-team playoff would be near impossible, but a 24-team playoff has been a reality for FCS for 10 years. Hell, they had a 16-team playoff going back to the mid-80s. It has its flaws, mostly driven by the desire to control costs, some weird things like high-bidder gets home games, and committee transparency on filling the bracket after the 10 AQs. But it does work, with no statistical difference in player injuries or academic performance.
FCS also only plays a ten game regular season. For a 24 team playoff to work at the FBS level, they'd have to cut down to a 10 game regular season as well and we all know that isn't going to happen.
@douglasevans9599 bro stop. That i aint the same. Ya dont get it the best will always win simple. Who the fuck wanna see Georgia vs A ucf team that we all know they gonna smash? Shit gets boring. 8 is the best. Not no damn 24 team play off for college that is ridiculous
I said, on Sunday, Alabama should play FSU in a "play-in" game in the New Mexico Bowl on Dec. 16. The perfect scenario, in the middle of BFE and only 37,457 seats...
Why? FSU is undefeated, why should they be punished in the way that the committee did it or they way you would? You could argue that Texas and Alabama could playoff, but Texas already won that matchup.
Number 8, Bama beat Number 1, Georgia. Number 8 would normally move up 4 spots in the Polls. Bama fell in the Polls 3 times after winning games this Season.
It doesn't matter anymore, players are opting out for different reasons and backups will be playing these bowl games! Ever since NIL deals were introduced to college athletes, the ones that aren't making much or any deals are declaring for the draft and refuse to play in bowl games. This will be a norm going forward!
This will be an improvement over the 4-team playoff, excited for next year. My question for this new bracket is: with NIL, TV exposure, and transfer portal taking effect will there be a time where more than one G5 team make this playoff (knocking off a Power 5 team) and when?
It's not likely, but possible. You could have a scenario where, for example, two G5 conference champs are better than one P5 champ - so in a 6 AQ scenario, you have for example the Sun Belt and AAC Champs get in, along with the B1G, SEC, ACC, and Big XII (so Pac-12 gets left out completely). The other way is if a G5 team isn't good enough for an AQ but IS good enough to be an at-large - this could happen in a scenario where you have something like last year's Tulane team and this year's Liberty team in the same season. NIL/Transfer Portal usually hurts G5s more than it helps them outside of a few edge cases, because P5s have more money, better opportunities if you can walk in as a starter/second-string, and more of a chance to make the Playoffs. But now with 6 AQs (so guaranteeing at least one G5), we may see that change to where disgruntled P5 depth players transfer to hot G5s for a year or two to try and get into the CFP that way. It'll be interesting to see how often that happens.
Football is a very physical sport with the young players exposing their bodies to injury every game. If the playoffs are going to extend to more games then perhaps the regular schedule should be shortened
I think if it was this year they would have ranked these 12 teams somewhat different in order to avoid instant rematches and create fresh match ups. For example they would have done Penn State vs Georgia and Ole Miss vs Ohio State
Ole miss wouldn't be in if the 12 team playoff was this year. Zero shot the committee doesnt give the nod to Oklahoma over them as they have the head to head against Texas. These rankings dont matter now so they didnt care enough to put them ahead but if it was for a playoff spot? OU getting in over them.
@@Gizziiusa yeah truly if they went with the 4 best teams it would've looked like 1. Texas 2. Alabama 3. Georgia 4. Washington. 4 most deserving would've been 1. Washington 2 Michigan 3 Florida State 4 Texas So they didn't go with 4 best cuz Georgia is out and Michigan is in. If you think Michigan is better than even Florida state at this point is hilarious to me. To be #1 is fucking stupid.
It either needs to be 6 or 12. This is because you'll keep getting the top 2 or 4 seeds important. If the playoff is 8 making the top 2 or 4 is non relevant
This new system makes Oklahoma joining the SEC look like a braindead move. Considering they win the BIG12 most seasons. RIP Oklahoma, you're no longer a blue blood lmao.
My Dad and I are Oklahoma Sooner fans and we were arguing about this the other day. He was saying how we would have made the playoff bc we were ranked number 12. I kept on trying to tell him that he was forgetting about the auto bid for the best group of 5 team and he was confused and didn't really understand me. Thanks for clarifying this #Mattbeawesome
It's technically not the best group of 5 team, it's the best conference champion, so like back when Cincinnati was the best group of 5 team but if they had lost their conference title game, then the winner of that title game would probably move on if they were the highest group of 5 ranked team
@@Asher_Sharp_ no, the champion from the “best ranked conference” of group of 5. I can see it being the same team regardless most cases. Say App state is ranked 12 and dominating every conference game and wins out, but AAC has better record of out of conference that season and UCF wins in an upset…. UCF could be unranked and get in over App St. I’m not saying it’s fair but it’s how I understand the rules
You are correct. Even though our Sooners are ranked 12th, Liberty would have taken a bid as the next highest ranked conference champ. In the style of the NCAA basketball tourney, the Sooners would have been the 'First Team Out.' I dream that with the expansion, someday it will go to 28-32 teams like Division 2 and Division 3. That would be fun!
Here is what I DO KNOW. It's still selected by a bunch of suits sitting in a room behind a closed door changing the metrics as it suits them. Bring in a TRUE playoffs by adding ALL conference champs in FBS + two or three "at large" teams. Take the power away from people and give it back to the field. You need help, as Division II, been doing it for YEARS.
Think. A home playoff game in late December in the Shoe or the Big House. Vs… Bama… Georgia… any SEC team. Oh man, that speed will hurt when that ice is thick. Good luck boys!!
As the fansville commercial said, “It’s the last year of college football as we know it.” It’s the last year of the 4 team playoff, the PAC 12, Texas and Oklahoma in the Big 12, and divisions in the SEC and Big 10
Matt, I’m pretty sure there won’t be a SEC East and West next year. It’s gonna be one big conference and how they decide who goes to the SEC championship, I’m not sure.
I have said this before on this topic but to me it should be a 10 team playoff(this idea had been ruined now that the Pac-12 is pretty much dead), where the champions of each conference get the into the playoffs, the top 2 ranked champions get byes to the Semifinals and the others play each other base on overall ranking. Edit:Actually now that the pac-12 is gone, I have created a far more complicated idea I genuinely don’t think I could explain
Two things I think should be mentioned: the SEC is getting rid of divisions next year (not sure if the big ten is though) so the championship game could be something like Alabama vs LSU. Also, I think its important to say that it is reasonably possible for multiple teams outisde the top 25 to win their conference, even multiple G5 teams. Just look at last year, with Utah and Kansas State winning their conference championships and being barely inside the top ten, while unranked purdue was also playing in their conference championship with three G5 teams ranked in the top 25.
B1G Ten, with the increase of four (4) PAC-10 teams, will get rid of the divisions. This year five of the future B1G Ten teams made the top 10 (Michigan, Washington, Ohio State, Oregon, and Penn State) with one (Penn State) dropping out after the bowl games. My biggest hope will be that this will encourage players to play these games instead of going to the "portal", or sitting it out for the draft. If not, you will have a "s**t show" like Georgia vs FSU (63-3) or Missouri vs OSU (14-3). Kind of hard for either FSU to argue that they should have been included in the final four when you get clowned on by a lower ranked team.
What a lot of people don’t realize is with the PAC 12 going away and the CFP not allowed to change their rules for at least 2 years, there will actually be two group of 5 teams that get an automatic bid in 2024 and 2025. 6 conference champs get in, only 4 power conferences.
College basketball playoffs went to 68 teams and there is always endless griping about why some team was ranked 69th. Twelve teams in the CFP will not end hours of talk show time on why someone was number 13
12 teams guarantees the true contenders will be in. After that not many people will care outside the fan bases. The thing that many people miss is the wonderful first round matchups we get to see in December. In my opinion get rid of the bowl games since they are exhibition games no one wants to play or watch.
If a team is undefeated in regular season an loses their championship, still a possibility to get it if they are ranked high enough before their conference championship game
The reason a 4 team playoff wasn't controversial was because there were actually only 4 teams that deserved it every year (in the committees eyes). Now, there are more teams in Georgia, FSU and some might claim Oregon that deserve a spot in it. I think the best format is the conference champs get in with the top 4 getting a bye and then the next 4 teams after that being the next 4 highest ranked teams. If you win your conference, you deserve to be in the playoffs, no questions asked
I think that makes sense for this year, but with the top 8 teams probably being in the SEC and B1G next year, we'll need 12 teams to truly crown a champion.
I think it's gonna make everyone happy. Everybody's got a shot now. Real college football fan's have a favorite team, but they want to see great college football at the end of the day.
Maybe I misunderstood Matt but there will be no East and West next year in the SEC... I'm not sure about the other conferences but I believe they will take the best two out of each conference. That would be your power 6 it would also be your winner and loser of the conference championships... Most likely anyway.... But what if Liberty gets in or somebody from conference USA, then we'll be right back to square one.
How would we be back to square one..? A G5 team getting in is one of the main points for this format? 5 highest ranked conference champions get a guaranteed spot, pac-12 is getting disbanded so that goes to the highest ranked G5 team.. which is GREAT for football. It's a joke that teams like boise state and UCF never got a shot when they were actually good.
Honestly, to make it easy for everyone. Each Power 4 Conference Champion automatically gets a first round bye with each conference champion getting a specific bowl game due to the conference's history with that bowl during the quarterfinals. The B1G Champ will play in the Rose Bowl, The SEC Champ will play in the Sugar Bowl, the ACC Champ will play in the Orange Bowl, and the Big XII Champ will play in the Fiesta Bowl. Keep in mind that those are during the Quarterfinals. The Peach Bowl will be home to SEC Champ or ACC Champ in the event the Sugar Bowl or Orange Bowl, respectively, is the semifinal for that season. The Cotton Bowl will be home to the B1G or Big XII Champ in the event the Rose or Fiesta Bowl, respectively, is the semifinal for that season. Remember, they would be doing this by Rose/Sugar as semis, followed by Orange/Cotton as semis, and followed by Peach/Fiesta as semis in that order. That's the best way as far as formatting.
If you think next 12 teams CFP edition won't have controversy/snubs then fasten your seatbelts kids because won't expect the Committee will endorse all the Conference Champions or the undefeated teams but rather have big brand teams and generate expectation and marketing for more income...
Why would a projected 1st round NFL draft choice play in 2 or 3 playoff games and risk injury and ruining his chances for an NFL career not one time, but 2 or 3 more times? Any agent worth his salt would advise his players to sit out the playoffs. If you are a Heisman Trophy candidate or a top QB, you're nuts to risk that. Your school's desire for glory pales in comparison to you and family's opportunity for financial security.
I still think needs to be 16 All 9 (maybe 10 depends on wtf the PAC 12 does) conference champions then the at large Those will bitch that the MAC or Sun Belt saying "they aint worthy because they didn't schedule a good team" Hey App State how good was #6 Texas A&M last year
Also, how about the fact that every other college national championship I know has EVERY conference champ make playoffs. FBS is alone on this weirdo invitational of an ending.
FCS does a 32 team playoffs and it works flawlessly every year. Each round is a home game for the highest seed. You get Cinderella stories every year. Big dogs and underdogs. A tourney style bracket is absolutely possible. They can still leave the final 16 and make those the bowl games etc. it’s absolutely possible
FCS is 24, but yes. I think the "most fair" option for FBS is a 16 or 20-team playoff, where every conference champion gets an autobid. It won't happen because the powers that be clearly see a divide between the P5 and G5, but the FCS handles it just fine with 24. Although, a 20-team playoff would likely shave a game off of the regular season (which I'd be okay with personally)
1:03 No team in the entire history of the College Football Playoffs have been given the benefit of the doubt more than Ohio State. The only time Ohio State got in without controversy was 2019. The other times, 2014, 2016, 2020, and 2022, had a controversy that would have left any other college football team out of the CFP indefinitely. But not Ohio State, they got in despite not winning their conference and not have their two starting QBs and only playing 6 games the entire season.
@@wesleyowens4089 They did the right thing by putting in Bama in the CFP for 2017. Had 10-2 Ohio State gotten in that season, the CFP would have had to answer a lot for letting a two loss B1G conference champion Ohio State get into the CFP the year after they left out 10-2 Penn State who won the B1G Championship in 2016.
@@tobiaswilliamson00 I'm talking about UCF. It would've made more sense to let in Auburn instead of bama as well for the same reason Penn State should've got in over Ohio State. I know UCF was go5 but they had an average margin of Victory of over 25 points. Plus they beat some power 5 teams and went on to beat Auburn who had previously beat both bama and Georgia by multiple possessions, but was left out due to the loss to Florida and Georgia in the rematch. Usually a go5 team shouldn't make it but when the landscape is what it was like in 2017 then they should. If there was an undefeated go5 last year that had a decent resume they probably would've gotten in over Ohio State
The auto bid problem will not really exist. Because of confrence realignment, most confrence games will be the top 2 teams in the confrence. For example, the big10 championship game would have been Michigan vs Ohio State, and the big12 would have been Texas vs Oklahoma
Should have always been a 6 team playoff. Each power 5 conference champion plus one at large team whether from a small conference or another team from power 5 conference. Seeding decided by the committee. If you make the playoff too big it takes away the pride of getting a spot. It should truly mean something to get in. And winning a conference championship is almost a requirement. Automatic bids take away controversy. Top 2 get byes in first round. you can figure it out
The thing is your "you could be 10-2" illustrates the exact problem with the 4 team playoff. There's no other sport where a committee just gets to decide who they thinks look better by the eye test and ignore the results on the field.
You forgot to mention the 4 byes are all conference champs, so the easiest example of that is a undefeated Notre Dame ranked #1 would still get the #5 seed. They cannot possibly get a bye. Similarly, a 1 loss Georgia who’s only loss is to undefeated Bama in the conference championship and is ranked in the top 4 after that loss still will be ranked 5 and will not get a bye.
As a 59yr old dad, I just love the StrongBad tilt. It brings back wonderful memories with my sons. There were even a few moments when I thought you might open an email.
This is really no different than the NFL. Many years, one conference champ has a losing record and at least 1 team with a high win percentage is left out simply because of their conference. There is no perfect setup for these things. The only way to avoid it is to make the 12 teams with the best records eligible then factor in strength of schedule for tie breakers.
The new playoff schedule will most certainly draw good TV ratings. My question is how will all the existing bowl games be filled? Will the bowls have to select more teams with losing records or will they get the losers from the first round?
Remember why we went to a 4 team playoff? Because number 3 was always getting screwed. And now it's number 5. Do you really think people won't be crying about number 13 getting screwed? Not a chance.
24 is ideal. All conference champions, power 4 (with Pac12 no longer applicable), runners up go to the quarter final and 6 at-large teams. Get a qualifier going during Army-Navy weekend and you got your 12. Power 4 Champs get a bye to the semis. And make them all bowl games with the losers of all rounds before the final getting one last bowl game as a consolation.
You'd be better off not even making your conference game than making it there and losing. The team that didn't even make it essentially gets a bye while the team that made it and lost has to play an extra game. That's pretty ridiculous
The only good thing the 4 team playoff has accomplished is being a bridge to the 12 team playoff. The lack of a real playoff in FBS football is nuts and has denied fans (and players) really awesome football.
The only way to do a playoff of this size is to have 12 conferences of ten teams each who all play each other throughout the year and the team with the best record from each conference goes to the playoff. No conference championship game.
I know I am probably in the minority. I have a crazy idea for a champion to be legitimate no teams can be eliminated for things outside their control. How do we know that Liberty is not the best team? What would they need to do to prove it? "Strength of Schedule"- Not in their control. It is not like they can call up Michigan (or insert another team with a large fanbase) the year before the season starts and say "Can we play you so you so we can get in line before you (or anyone in your conference) gets a shot at the 4 playoff slots". They are not permitted to prove it that way in the current system. Be a champion of a large conference - Not in their control. They could be the best but there is no way to prove or disprove it. I believe the new system is the best balance. a) Practically, no team is eliminated before the season starts. If you win the games you play (the only ones you can). Then eventually a perceived better team would be forced on your schedule. That is why we need the auto-byes. If you are in a dog-eat-dog conference and had one bad day you will very likely be in but not guaranteed. That is why we have the at larges. I have not found any year going back a few decades where an undefeated team was not either in the top 6 or one of the top 6 conference champions. b) I also like that only conference champions can be bye-eligible as that also gives the incentive to play in their conference championship. As for people saying this is just going to lead to 16-32-64-128 play-off brackets... I am skeptical. Less than 12 and teams can't prove if they belong or not (ie FSU this year). More than 12 and you gain nothing competitively. Odds are every undefeated team is included. Odds are every dog-eat-dog had a bad day also are in. We would have everyone that should be in would be. Yes there would be some fluff teams (the number of legitimate contenders change from year to year) most years, but I would argue that number would be a minority for any given year. Going with more would dilute.
The byes will end up being where the controversy is. They were always such a huge advantage in the NFL when there were 12 playoff teams. But, at least every team that had a national championship level regular season should make the tournament, along with a few who didn’t.
Question…with teams potentially having to win four games to win a championship will we see a lot more kids who are relatively locked in to getting drafted by the end of the regular season opt out and not risk a major injury?
I personally love the 12 team play offs. It seems like just pure chaos waiting to happen and big upsets. It would also get rid of any potential chance of another FSU situation or even another TCU situation
@@starscream6785 that is true, however consider this. Imagine Louisville beat FSU in the acc championship this year. Even as an acc champ none of them would’ve gotten into the playoffs considering bama beat Georgia. With the 12 team system it gives insensitive to win the game. FSU would play for an automatic bid, and Louisville would play for a spot in the top 12. Instead of Louisville just simply trying to remove day FSU from the playoffs. I understand a team like Louisville would probably get blown out in the first round. But I believe the multiple rounds should filter out the bad teams
I haven't seen one convincing argument yet where a committee deciding which teams go to the playoff has worked out better. I think the BCS with a playoff is the best system to use. Not the final BCS that weighted the AP poll as a deciding percentage but the BCS in the middle of its life. What is strange is that old lessons have to be rediscovered. The whole reason for the BCS to begin with was you had favoritism being shown to teams back in the 80s when just the AP poll was being used. Why sports writers, coaches and media personalities, most of which graduate with a degrees from Power 5 institutions, are the individuals that are the end all deciders as to who is the best teams seems so strange to me. It is obvious this year that a huge amount of bias went into the decision making.
The group of 5 team won't always be in the 12 spot, you gotta remember! Cinci, Coastal Carolina, Memphis, UCF, and probably more that I can't recall have all been inside the top 12, meaning they would be seeded higher than 12.
They won't always be but they usually will. Especially with Cincinnati, UCF, Houston, and SMU going power 5. But now with Oregon State and Washington State in the go5 who knows
A) Of course there will still be controversy. B) One thing I haven't heard many people mention, if you don't get a bye, and you lose the first round game, your season is over. No bowl game for you. Even if you went 10-2 in a major conference, and bowls would love to have you. You're done. They're going to have to fix that, or you'll just hear more griping.
Cincinnati when they made it to the playoff, they truly didn't belong their, but because of all the pressure from schools like UCF, etc; the committee thought they would give them a shot and well, it was so well for them.
16 team playoff all conference champions automatic qualifiers SEC, ACC, Big 10, Big 12, American, Sunbelt, MAC, Mountain West, C-USA so you have 9 automatic qualifiers the 7 open bids should be determined by power Ranking and committee this way everyone wins conference championships become meaningful again the power Ranking will still be relevant and the committee can select the best teams just like now and small conferences get a shot at a Cinderella story.
Big 10 is doing away with divisions and the top two advance to the conference championship. That should eliminate the possibility of a three loss team advancing.
