At least 20 years. We'll have hover cars before these come to market. I've seen them on Bobcats which is a good idea, but during highspeed emergency avoidance, I bet these suck. I've seen it tested on a Chevy Bolt in some video but we'll see if any car brand ever wants to use it. I would be good for around town electric, automated food delivery or something like that.
Why would they sell this forever tire to you when they can sell you 6 sets of air tires that have blow outs and unrepairable damage. It's a money loser over time so there will never be one set sold. You could take that to the bank.
They've been making them and selling them for decades. Construction, Military, oil and gas, mining, and forestry have been using them for a long ass time. I don't know if they would be stable enough at highway speeds around a corner to be a viable option for a passenger car
Over time from wear and tear and I’ve damage the inner plastic parts will start to crack and break and a replacement will be needed eventually. The outside tread will also break down and need to be replaced. The continuous capital soul sucking cycle will always continue don’t worry.
Chances are they will leave them open. The only reason I say this is that these tires are not new, even for Goodyear. They have tires exactly like these for zero turn mowers. Only difference is that they call those tweels. John Deere has had them exclusively for a few years now on their commercial mowers. Now I know there's a difference between a mower and an off road truck but to the tire, there's not much difference. Commercial mowers will inevitably have to mow lawns in wet conditions which means mud. They're also going through asphalt, gravel, dirt, sand and even sometimes snow when a contractor decides to put a snow blade on their mower. I own a landscaping business and have spoken to other owners that have used these tires and they have noticed that the ride became a little more rough than a pneumatic tire but not enough to not justify using them. Since the tire tends to flatten a little more than usual where it contacts the road, it forces the "X" braces to distort which helps to break up any blockage and then the force of the spinning tire helps to discharge it.
"Are cars going to be sold with a spare tire anymore?" Are they now? I'd wager at least half of new cars don't even have a spare these days. A phone or some tire slime and DC compressor is the best you'll get.
@@nathanc777so I stand corrected, not EVERY car is sold with a spare. Almost every car that is sold without a spare is sold with run flat tires or like you said some slime and a compressor but the vast majority of cars sold do come with a spare. But the spare they come with is only as good as some slime and a compressor anyways. People have a bad habit of using the donut tire as a permanent solution. It's only meant to be used the same way as fix-a-flat, long enough to get you to a tire shop. But to say half don't come with a spare is false. Chevy, Ford, Dodge, Chrysler, Fiat, Subaru, Toyota, most Mazdas, Jeep, GMC, Cadillac, most Lexus, most Infiniti, and many others all come with spares. A lot of subcompact and compact cars from overseas don't have spares so they can maximize cargo area and save weight for gas mileage. Same thing goes for your Miata. There isn't much room to begin with let alone for another tire lol.
@e_millimill not really. He said he would wager at least half the cars sold didn't have a spare when in fact less than a quarter of the cars sold didn't have a spare. Over 75% still have spares.
Wouldn't make 1 winter. The gaps would fill with snow and slush that would refreeze, then tear the tire apart when it tried to flex and was severely off balance. It would need side walls to survive any snowy or muddy conditions.
@@patrickyoung5348 it actually does well with that. When the tire flexes it breaks up any buildup and the force of it spinning shoots it out. These tires have been in use for commercial mowers for a few years now and I've seen people use them all year for mowing in wet/muddy and dry conditions as well as putting a blade on the mower and plowing snow with them. I was surprised how well it actually worked because I had the same reserves you do lol.
We've seen these type of prototypes for decades. If they were viable, they'd be available.If they do go to production, then the first vehicle to get these should be the Cybertruck.
I see a huuuuge disadvantage: the inability to inflate/deflate them. Very important for offroaders. Besides, I don't believe in a more stable footprint. Non-pneumatic tires have been in develipment for decades. If they vere that cool, we woul've seen them on production vehicles.
Oh I'd say it's got a lot more to do with whether they're cool or not. I'd say they're still working out the best way to release these that won't impact their sales at all. I think companies nowadays spend more time making sure they don't build a product too good for profit margin.
We had some of these on some zero turns for my company and they are super expensive and they don't even last a year on a mower I don't even know how a daily driver would handle it
I do hope this becomes available soon, as I have seen this being advertised for quite a while now, this would solve big problem that is heavy duty tire puncture. And let me tell you, heavy duty tire rupture is no joke. The force released is extremely damaging to the vehicles and lethal to humans.
Why is this on TFL Off Road? It isn’t an off-road tire in the slightest. It has no sidewalls, a terrible tread pattern and you can’t increase surface area by airing down. This needs to go on tfl car or tfl now. The lack of a system on what channel videos go on really makes it difficult to select the content I am interested in. Just my feedback. I also think you guys have too many channels making it way more confusing. Great content as always. Hope my feedback helped.
Can't see these working well in a offroad/urban/rural area where a rock or other debris could get stuck in the inner structure-webbing and begin to erode it prematurely.
This tire would be a nightmare in the mud snow and ice getting all up inside of it also for Offroad and you’d be getting limbs stuck through that thing be terrible
This is outstanding and the future solution to tires longevity. But they need to cover the ridges to stop dirt from accumulating between the spokes. The dirt, mud, snow, etc. would stick between the spokes and make the tires heavier, unbalanced and difficult to clean.
Ive seen airless tires on construction equipment before and still do. They are either like those or completely rubber. The best tires since flats are non existent. But when you go over something that is sharp you can rip a good chunk out.
A non-pneumatic tire has been known for 10-20 years for sure. However, it did not go on sale. GoodYear's guy confirms that the timing of commercialization has not yet been determined. The advantages of the tire are clear: punctures are not terrible, rolling resistance is better. But if you think about it, you can assume that there are no fewer minuses, and maybe more: - you cannot lower the tire pressure to overcome deep snow and mud - it is impossible to replace the tire itself separately from the entire structure, only in its entirety. The disks will obviously also be specific, not compatible with those that were for pneumatic tires - dirt, debris and ice from the roads will get into the open tire and impair rolling and balancing - if you park in the snow porridge in the evening above the tread height of this tire, then at freezing temperatures at night the tire freezes into the ice so firmly that in the morning you won’t go anywhere - there will be a lot of curiosity and people will stick sticks and other objects in your wheels for the sake of a "joke" that could result in tire damage, car and generally threatens your safety on the road - price. She will probably be terribly high. otherwise, these tires would have been produced for a long time, because they have been developed for a long time and, obviously, many tire manufacturers also have the technical ability to produce them
I can see these tires being good in areas where the weather is mostly nice. Can't see these being used in winter. At least they need covers. Dirt, ice, snow, rocks, etc will completely annihilate these.
Yep, they have to enclose them. I bet this open design is just for tractors or other really slow in vehicles. If you got some mud or snow in there and it was on a regular car on the highway it would create some tire balance changes and wear wheel bearings, struts and bushings faster and in the worst case maybe some vibrations felt driving at high speed. I guess you could always pull over and poke it out with a stick!
These kind of tires would be no issues of tires getting punctured and accidents due to blow outs. Hopefully they can make it for your big rigs and long haulers.
As long as you don't drive in snow, ice, mud, or dirt in general. Being that on average, I get 0 flats a year running good quality pneumatic tires like BF Goodrich. Even the few punctures i have had were permanently repaired with a tire plug. This gimmick "airless" tire is just another miracle solution looking for a problem that does not exist.
If they could use that ribbing AND use low air pressure, that could make a great almost infinitely adjustable off road tire. They've been trying this for years. I'm glad they might be taking seriously now.
I wonder about the performance of this kind of tires during winter season, blizzard conditions or driving in a highway going between 100 to 120 kilometers per hour.
Based on the tone of his voice and body language when asked about durability, it seems to me the technology will not be available to the mass market anytime soon.
If they cover the sides then I'd give them a try. Go off-road a lot and puncture proof is better than inflatable tires to me since I live in a very rocky area and have popped several tires
I remember reading articles about the new wave of the future non pneumatic tires in Car and Driver and Four Wheeler magazine back in the 80s. Seems like this might not ever happen lol
Yea as some people have stated that if you get debris in them it will throw off the balance to the wheel and make it hard to control a vehicle so i doubt these will ever come to mass market unless the somehow design a self cleaning inner part. But seeing these for over 2 or 30 decades and still not much progress made seems like thats the case.
Just so you all know.. Airless tires invented before 10 years ago and there is even videos about them.. just google "TWEEL by MICHELIN " 2 553 080 views, Uploaded in 15.9.2009
they're available on tons of different equipment already and they do have their advantages... but their biggest disadvantage is their price... they are stupid expensive
Some concerns that have been mentioned by others are problems with an open sidewall design is well founded. I’m also concerned about side load in a performance car.
OF COURSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE YOU A RIDE IN SNOW. THE SNOW GETS CAUGHT IN THE TIRE AND MAKES IT WOBBLE. WITH SLUSH FREEZING IN IT, IT WOULD BE DOWNRIGHT DESTRUCTIVE.
"Never seen before" except the Michelin Tweel, and the airless tire concept of Bridgestone. However all of these are quite obviously crudely designs. Little more then big plastic spokes. Not surprising that they have vibration and heating issues...
I like the idea, but the sidewall still need to be closed off so that snow, dirt, rocks (or anything else) can't get stuck in there and throw off tire balance. Might be like that just to show off the tech inside, but he didn't say that.
It seems like there's a bigger tire to road contact point. I wonder how it will affect gas mileage even though he said it provides better rolling resistance.
This is a low speed, low usage tire only. It’ll never make its way onto passenger vehicles given it has no side wall support for hard cornering or sliding (due to losing control)
Novel idea. I am sure the end product will have sidewalls otherwise the slightest mudd, rocks, sand, or any other debris will make for one very bad ride. Doesn’t take much to throw weight off making a unbalanced tire
Im only against this bc i dont wanna die by a drunk running from the cops using no-flats-tires!!!!, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON!!!! Put the spike strips out!!! he's going to kill someone?? OMG HE'S STILL GOING , WTH!!!??? THIS IS the part they forgot about bc of bad thinking!!!! SAD VERY SAD!!!!! And now a new family of 10 just died bc of these tires and a drunk driver on no-flats-ever tires!!!! Case of not being a good thinker has a price so be careful on what you make in the future??
Skid steer tires for the automotive world! It's only a matter of time before these become a tire of 'today' isn't it? This deign brings up a 'million ' questions. Interesting, to say the least!
I remember seeing this on a special like ten fifteen years ago and they said it would be two years until they hit the market. Looks like they were a little off.
Debris could fly into the tire while on the road and cause the driver to lose control and the vehicle spins out and causes an accident. Airless tires need coverings period.
How are you going to balance it? Obviously the webbing is inviting debris to build up inside. If you seal it then the air pressure changes the tires ride & wear.
present setup is a no go for anything driving over 30mph since, those air gaps will 1000000% collect dirt and cause the tires to be out of balance. never mind snow will fill those. an out of balance tire is a no go.
This dude asked about a spare tire...who uses a spare tire anymore other than off roaders. If you have car insurance you have the ability to have a tow truck come pick your car up and take it anywhere you want. the spare has been obsolete for me for a while. If i pay thousands of dollars every year for car insurance damn straight im going to use it. If other choose to pay and never use it, good for them.
Why would tire companies ever want to invent a tire that can last a very long time? They would be making drastically less money. The popular method of modern times is called "planned obsolescence".
