A true story that's funny is a friend of mine had constant problems with a tractor he purchased new and this tractor company was giving him the run around with their warranty, so he got a booth near the front entrance of a big farm and agriculture show and had his tractor in the booth with 300 lemons on top of it. You would not believe how fast his phone started ringing if I told you. Made in the USA used to mean something and you now have products from China that is better.
I know how you feel my friend, your doing a good service by letting us all know, that's just the unfortunate reality of the world we live in today. Keep your boots on, stay in the fight and keep moving forward !
Ugh! I feel ya brother! You hit the nail on the head. Customer Service and Quality are superpowers that no longer exist. Anymore, I just go through everything when I buy parts because I don't trust ANY manufacturer to do a good job. Hope it all gets straightened out and use this as a learning experience. Keep Jeepin and God Bless!
I feel ya on the quality control bit and customer support. But Sadly I think you made a mistake going with the Aluminum head, Aluminum heads on a Cast Iron block just don't have good track record IMHO. I think you'd have better gone and got a 0630 or 7120 head and have a machine shop port it. You'd have as good or better performance, and far less issues with expansion problems... Which is what happened there, and I think you'll do yourself some favors to check those plugs often. The aluminum will expand at a much higher rate than the steel plugs and I'd be surprised to find ANY sealant that keeps the water and oil from mixing with enough heat cycles. (this is all basically conjecture since I have not run the aluminum heads on a 4.0l just seems to me like a bad idea) Find a good local machine shop or hot rod shop and get a 7120 or 0630 ported and polished, have some one Tig on some coil pack holders and call it a day. :-P Hope I'm wrong and you have years of great wheeling with your fresh motor and top end!...
Thanks for sharing your experience. I was actually considering building an engine comparable to what you have, and using the parts you have used. I think I'll pass on that project for the time being. Good luck!
So how much you want for the banner? Just kidding, 100% accurate send us your money and we will send you an product that has no QC and not stand behind it. I think all companies just play the odds, we hope it works and if it doesn’t oh well. I think more people need to stand up and call out crappy products, or at least poor QC! Don’t give up, in a few weeks it will be just a faded memory. 👍🏻
"Thanks for the video. I'm in the process of building a Stroker for my WJ and I was considering getting the Edelbrock head instead of port-matching a stock head. However, I think I will stick with port matching at this point. S&J seems to be a bunch of D-bags. I contacted them when I started trying to figure out casting numbers to build a Stroker motor with the 4.2 crank and my block since my block was supposed to have better casting. But they told me to stop wasting their time and buy their motor. I'm glad I haven't. This is one of the companies I found that seem to be pretty decent, especially if you're just asking questions. He holds the current record for the highest output on a 4.7 Turbo motor: Newcomer Racing."
Thanks for sharing! I was thinking about going the stroker route, but after all the problems you've had I think I'll pass. Yeah, you hit the nail on the head about all the crap Jeep parts being pushed as performance upgrades. Sorry you had to go through this.
Thanks for sharing your experiences for our benefit, and holding them accountable for their lack of pride in their workmanship and lack of integrity standing behind their product, knowing this benefits us all. Push through the discouragement, you caught it in time and you still have a beautiful Jeep to be proud of.
Thanks for sharing your real life experience with your investment into this stroker 4.0. You have reassured me that an LS swapping is what I need to do in my Jeep.
Based on your experiences, my Jeep is either getting an engine out of a running parts Jeep or sold so I can buy a Jeep with a good engine…..so sorry for your troubles.
This is just custom motor type issues. Built engines can be great or can be troublesome. Custom built 6.4 diesel was junk but the stock one was going great at 252k. My stroker has been in my LJ for 10yrs now. Built by me in my garage and has a Kenne Bell supercharger. Besides a valve cover leak and a harmonic balancer…. It’s been bombproof. I’ve had street car engines sprayed to death and were super reliable, I’ve had cam swaps that turned to junk. Anything 4x4 will have you with tools in your hand especially if running trails.
@@65SEEJAYFIVE Ummm you didnt have issues with the stroker? Ive followed a few videos to this video…and it all seemed to stem FROM issues with the stroker.
Damn! Edelbrock for the fail! Good to know not to buy from them. Thanks for keep us updated. I am looking at doing a swap soon and your experience is priceless to me.
I agree …. between J&S handling the way they did & Edelbrock not looking to really wanting to take accountability… you’ve called them out and cost them both way more sales than they would ever thought. What goes around comes around… keep being you 👊
Quality in everhthing nowdays has hone down dramatically. "Warranty" means nothing nowadays, companies just want to keep your money and dont stand behind their product anymore like they used to.
"We aren't going to reimburse you for our mistake but, don't worry, we'll send you some banners and a t-shirt so you can advertise for us." - 𝓔𝓭𝓮𝓵𝓫𝓻𝓸𝓬𝓴
AMEN! "Paying the most, for the least. EVER" (Inflation accounted for!). "Made in USA" has become a HUGE RED FLAG! Made in China is just the expectaion. But when it says USA, and the quality is NO better... Shameful.
Made in the USA used to mean something and it was something I’d even pay a little extra for. But why? Like you said, the quality seems to be no different!
Sad but true, at least for the big names anyways. Companies are too focused on diversity and profit and not so much for skilled workers who have pride in what they do.
Hey, I have been following your journey high and low. Moving forward I think you should remove 4.7l ho badge from your jeep. I don’t want people to see the type of motor you got and buy from the company if they aren’t going to stand with customers. And if you ever open up the hood to show your fans the motor on RU-vid or whatsoever, use blue painter tape to cover edelbrock label. They aren’t good and shouldn’t advertise for them.
That 4.7 badge is the same off a Cherokee with the V8, no ties or implying towards S&J. I certainly don’t want to promote these companies as they left me high and dry and don’t stand behind their work at all.
Well here’s the cool part-you don’t have to watch or listen to me 🤷🏼♂️ If you spent good money on a top tier quality part, you would just shrug it off? Doubtful 🙄
Thanks for sharing. I've been following a bit as I'm thinking of putting a stroker in my otherwise stock daily driver 05 LJ. I'd already ruled out the Edelbrock head as I'm wanting to keep the engine cast iron as much as I can. At this point, I'm thinking to just build my own stroker. I'm a retired diesel mechanic so building engines are nothing new for me. Edited to add. I want applaud you for getting the word out on companies that are showing a decided lack of quality control or willingness to QC or stand behind their products. I used to think a lot of Edelbrock products, but apparently they are no longer the company that they used to be. I think too many companies watch us buy chinesium junk and figure they can they can use the same business model.
Yeah if I had to do it over, I’d do it all myself. Edelbrock as a whole is probably still a good company, but just like everywhere else, they are more concerned about getting product out than giving quality products.
Sorry about the problems that you are having, but thank you for sharing your problems. So that we have an idea of things to keep a look out for with our projects....
Oh man I really feel for you. Found you by looking for info on these stroker engines. I have an '05 with 138k miles and it's running great. But is kind of a dog running up inclines. It's my rock crawler. I'm on 35x12.50-15 and 5.13 gearing. Crawls great and runs great. Just want more power for when I drive it to the trails rather than tow it. My thought is to go with a chevy short block 350 or something similar. But the drop in aspect of a 4.6L from Golen is tempting. Buuuuut, what made me comment is what you're going through. I'm 63 and over the past few years I've come to the realization that you Rarely get good quality or service, in Anything. It didn't used to be like this. But anything I buy, or any service I need, I just know nothing will go right. General public just don't give a darn about what they do. No respect for a job well done. It's a damn shame.
I'm in the same boat with you that everything with my stock Jeep engine is fine, I just would like a little more power. It's is a shame that made in the USA use to mean something as well as hand shake between men did as well. Today some USA products are worse than China products and you have businesses now that brag about getting over on some one instead of having a conscience about how they feel as a man or company with integrity and being able to walk with their head high. I have no idea what direction to go with an engine in fear of choosing the wrong company to do busyness with. It's just crazy anymore.
I just spent $7000 and tax replacing my 97 TJ 4.0 with a Jasper engine and it's been great so far. One thing I was very unhappy with is that the upper half wasn't rebuilt. ....$7000.00 guys...
Agreed. I paid top dollars for a Golen engine because I didn’t want to deal with problems down the road. Well guess what. I got a ticking lifters that’s driving me crazy and still waiting for a response from Chad Golen to resolve this issue. Either way looks like Im going to have to fix it myself as well. Bummer
What was the resolution to the ticking in your engine? Was it resolved?... I've got a new Golen in my Jeep with some ticking also. Chad said it was normal for his 4.6 strokers.
@@thecomedian4967 started using different types of oil… liqui-moly seems to work best. Comes and goes now but not gone completely. I’m looking in to and LS swap and sell this engine. As far as Chad he just said to use thicker oil 😒
If you _Really_ want to know how well an Edelbrock aluminum head flows, compared to a stock head, watch this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qPnC58wK6Lw.html
Thanks for sharing this. We spend good money one rebuilt engines to get the factory reliability. Anything less is unacceptable. Its a lot of money and work to do this job and its really great youre helping save others these headaches
True. One issue is that for most things, its not american manufacturing. Its american corporate structuring and greed…but also cheap labor and materials. I bet his edelbrock head came from china. Parts for the stroker build probably also came from poorer countries that we take advantage for cheap low quality labor and parts. I find that anymore the only american quality left comes from reputable small local older businesses. Take edelbrock for example. The family isnt producing the parts anymore, or doing the custom work. Its a numbers business to them. They ship on such a huge level that theyre okay with 1/4th of the parts being crap and being returned or warranties etc. a handful of bad reviews are not going your way take them down. Contrast that with a local family run starter rebuild shop or driveshaft shop. Theyre not doing business on a national or international level. All they have is local or regional business. They wouldnt have survived the 30 years theyve been open if 1/4th of their work was poorer. I feel bad for this guy, but he really should have done his research and maybe have had this engine build and swap done locally with someone reputable. I mean a job like an engine build is 100% WHO is building it. The person building it chooses the parts, assembles them etc.
Quality control means nothing these days. If you want something done right, you need to do it yourself. Nobody else stands behind their work or their products, and will actually do the opposite and lie and push the blame off of themselves as much as possible. I actually trust used good condition factory parts more than anything "new" or "rebuilt". It is a process, but you'll get the kinks worked out of this engine and everything will be good. The reply from Edelbrock is laughable. "We screwed up, so here is some merch so you can advertise for us." LOL they can kick rocks.
What happened with the rear main seal? Did it have one of those cheap seal saver sleeves on it? Sometimes they will turn the back of the crankshaft down and put one of those on. With a stroker they should have used a new crankshaft.
That sucks. It seems with everything anymore that a quality name product is now junk. It happens in my business with consumables, what was the best is now junk and what was junk is really junk now. It's getting old with no end in site. Everything is farmed out to the lowest bidder.
@@65SEEJAYFIVE It why we should go with reputable local shops. When a person is dealing with an economy of scale on the national and international level…theyre going to famr shit out to the lowest bidder, not really care about their name or rep, and find 2/3rds good reviews acceptable. I doubt a single edelbrock is involved with the company anymore. Their CEO is chris douglas lol. A local company is most likely still run by the person who put their blood sweat and tears into starting it…and their whole business is usually local or regional, so they cant afford to do a crap job if they want to stay open. I think for this whole job you shouldve went with a local engine builder of good repute. You might reply “sure, but that was more money than i wanted to spend”….and more understanding i could not be….but id reply “then it sounds like maybe a stroker swap wasnt in the budget yet for you” I ONLY point that fact out for future people reading this, considering the same thing. Aftermarket custom engine swaps are usually done by people whom know how to do them and fix their problems by hand on their own…or theyre done by extremely rich men whom pay someone to deal with the headaches and iron out the kinks. There will be kinks.
You’re not the only one with problems out of the Edelbrock head. I ordered mine during the great plague.. when I got it in the mail and got it out of the box, it was full of aluminum shavings THE READY TO RUN HEAD!!! Edelbrock wouldn’t even respond to my emails, I had to go back through the machine shop I ordered it through and they paid to ship it back to them, tore it apart and cleaned it… had I installed that head and ran it, I would have lost a 13k engine build. I’ve still not installed that engine because I’ve been dealing with health problems that prevent me from finishing my resto-mod Jeep YJ. So now, I’m gonna make a mental note and check those plugs. I too have those Harland Sharp roller rockers you just installed, good choice in upgrading from the factory stamped ones. Glad to see you came around on the high zinc oil … once you’ve invested in something like this it’s be foolish to lose it because you ran the wrong oil and wipe out the camshaft and lifters. The detergent oils on the market today wash the zinc away if you’re using additives for zinc thus why so many people are still wiping out camshafts on these old engines , they just have to have that zinc to run , it is what it is. I hate you got done the way you did by not only the company that built your engine but by Edelbrock as well.. like a t-shirt and a shop banner would have made that right… You made good points, the QC these companies have sucks now, they’re relying on their name and they won’t be able to do that much longer they keep screwing people over… people will find other products or simply forget about spending the money altogether $2k isn’t cheap , that’s a premium price for what should be a premium high quality product. Still watching as I can, I’m caught up on the videos… You shouldn’t have to do it but from now on check everything, take the plugs out and seal them yourself, just cheap insurance going forward… oh! And the rear main seal… wow! I mean, shit happens , we’re all human, but that was just sloppy workmanship. Smh! I’d love to send you some photos of my engine. I’ll even send you photos of the metal shavings, yup, I saved those photos.
Well, I too noticed metal “dust”, not really shavings or chunks in my first oil change after I fixed the casting plugs. I’m not happy, but Edelbrock just decides to ignore my attempts to question them about it. I did several other oil changes and the shavings decreased significantly, but I’m so pissed. There was aluminum dust in my oil and all in my cooling system, so their quality control really must either be a joke or non existent.
@@65SEEJAYFIVE Yup, probably came from the cylinder head. Oil goes to the lifters and coolant goes through the thermostat so that makes sense. I had huge noticeable chunks of aluminum, you couldn’t miss it. It’s a damn shame! I won’t be buying anything else from Edelbrock for any of my vehicles going forward and I’ve never liked their carburetors, always used a Holley.
