Hernán Cortés meets Emperor Moctezuma in Tenochtitlán (Carlos, rey emperador) 

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"and his stupid brother is gonna get diseased with one of the bacteria from my poop infecting their native air"

Maybe use release or ransom for prisoners he will be hernan the good and dont exterminate all cities but public order will be bad

Almost everyone in the series speaks Spanish, also the French in the French court, Henry VIII in England, everyone. Because it is a Spanish TV series. It's so that it can be easily watched. That is also the case with English speaking 'Vikings' or 'Versailles' TV series, by the way.

Yeah, but European rulers of that time probably knew Spanish, or in any case they were educated polyglots, capable of communicating between themselves (Charles V and Francis I both spoke French as their mother tongue). Or it's assumed that Spanish represents French or German or Italian or whatever when it's spoken internally between French or German or Italian characters in the show. Or whatever! But this is a very strange scene, where Cortez supposedly meets Montezuma for the first time (and he didn't meet him in his palace, AFAIK, Montezuma went out to greet him on the road to Tenochtitlan), and Montezuma is perfectly capable of understanding him and replying him back in the same language.

In the first meetings of Spaniards and Native Americans in the series there were a translator, a Spanish priest who had lived there for many years, but then they didn't bother with it. Or it's just suggested that Cortés already learnt Moctezuma's language by the time they first met so they spoke the same language. In these times, European rulers didn't know Spanish, what they usually knew was French and/or Latin. (Even Charles V himself didn't speak Spanish when he went to Spain to become king, it took years there for him to learn it.) What I wanted it say is that when the French king speaks to his mother or to Henry VIII they speak in Spanish in the series and that is definitely incorrect too because they spoke in French. But this inaccuracy is very common in TV shows like this, in the 'Vikings' it is also similar when the Vikings (who speak English in the series) first meet the English and there is a translator in the first 1 or 2 scenes and then the Vikings magicly learn English. And there are other examples from other TV shows, of course.

Yes, I do understand that most series will have all the characters speaking in the native language of series production. And that adding additional languages is costly for the series' budget. And that therefore it is often assumed that a single language (of the series) stands for many languages in real life. For instance, since you mention the Vikings, in the movie 13th warrior, as the Arabian character of Antoni Banderas learns viking language early on, they all magically start speaking in english (which then represents both arabic and norse). But all that being said, they could have simply skipped this scene or made it different (with Montezuma not speaking at all, it could made his character appear even more dignified). Or having La Malinche translate for him (that's why Cortzez had her in her retinue in the first place). Or anything! This way it simply looks like bad or lazy writing, especially for such momentuos scene. Don't get me wrong, this is a great series overall (much better than Vikings, IMHO), but this entire part with Cortez and the conquest of Mexico is a bit... meh.

Yes, since it's Emperor Charles's series, the supporting character of Cortés and the scenes in America are of less importance and so a bit rushed. I didn't even get it why the series included Cortés so much. Ok, he was an important conquistador of Charles, but so was Pizarro who barely appeared.

U sound so stupid

You can at least try ti spell his name correctly 😂

What does that mean ,I didn't got it .

Hernan was an idiot who was seen as a thug / rebel / outcast / criminal by the Spanish elite and governors, for continuously disobeying orders and even the King of Spain wouldn't speak to him in the end. He should be seen as a war criminal today.

@@juliuscesear9312 it's a meme

Since the Spaniards destroyed the whole city, almost no building survived. They also destroyed all Mexican manuscripts

@@dededede6471 not all Mexican manuscripts otherwise you wouldn’t know the history of the aztecs

@@СтефановићКараџић all the books were burned by the spaniards. After the book massacre, Mexican scholars wrote new books with what was left in mind so that their history would not be forgotten. Books were written between 1600 and 1700. No books written between 1300 and 1521 survived. If you want to exploit a country, you must destroy the history and language of that country

@@dededede6471 Is it funny that you say that when only 1,300 Spaniards fought in this siege, according to you 1,300 men alone razed a city defended by 300,000-80,000 Aztecs? That's stupid, what happened was that the multiple warriors from other city-states who allied with Hernan (who were more than 300,000) wanted revenge for all the horrendous atrocities that the Aztec Empire had committed (the most prominent being the massive human sacrifices ), then they razed the city massacring the population, taking them as captives to be able to sacrifice them, enslaving them, etc ... In fact, Cortès told his allies not to overdo it so much, but his words fell on deaf ears and there was nothing to say. this he could do because his allies overwhelmingly outnumbered him.

@@dededede6471 lmfao owned

But funky town... That is Aztec's legacy?

Defending Spaniards by saying Aztecs were brutal - oh, the irony!

@@SuperAngelofglory it's not irony it's true.

@@donvip1980 ever heard of the Spanish Inquisition? Not to mention how the drunkard animals they called conquistadors behaved!

​@@donvip1980spainish also force converted them, forced them to mine in the gold mines and brought smallpox killing over half the population, yes "thanks" the spanish

Prodromos P I agree

A very good son of Extremadura. Inspired others like Pizarro too. One of the blessed.

... A l'aide des esclaves atztèques. C'était un connard et un criminel.

@@Lenner34 Criminel guerre.

He had native allies and besides being a great general ge also was a war criminal

Yes, that is also exactly how the show depicts it. These are just clips, but in the whole show they really show Cortés as a bad and cruel man and the conquista as a bad thing, in my opinion. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-AZ_n7ACdusI.html That's a scene from the show, for example, where they say a quote which really describes the whole thing: "The Spaniards, we are suffering from an illness which can only be cured by gold." The illness is clearly the greed, of course.

Lili1127 thanks for the reply

I wouldn't rush to such an all-around judgement though. There were horrific people among the Spanish and among the Aztecs, too, surely, but not all of them in general. But what the conquistadors and their men did to the Natives was very close to horrific, in my opinion.

Yes, that is totally true. What better proof of that than the fact that there are still a lot of natives and mestizos in Latin-America but they became almost totally extinct in North-America... But that "best" treatment was still arguably horrible. That is also a fact. All major powers have had their fair share of horrible achievements.

And its life

Bit of both. That was the only reason he was not killed straightaway. No different to how aliens would be seen.

Actually NO, that idea came 50 YEARS later and has little actual evidence to even suggest such.

Pues es una serie, obvio no hablaba español, lo hacen para hacer mas rapida la serie

Se me hizo ridículo que no hablaran nahuatl. Al menos en Vikingos hay pocas escenas donde los personajes están hablando su lenguaje original.

@@diepiepew12 Si se te hizo ridículo, te lo cuento que sí hay algunas escenas al principio cuando hablan nahuatl (capítulo 4 y 5). Yo no he subido toda la serie pero hay escenas cuando Moctezuma habla en nahuatl con Cuahutemoc. Al menos tanto como en Vikingos...

Está bloqueada en la website de RTVE? Y también en RU-vid? Porque los capítulos están en la canal de RTVE en RU-vid también.

Aparece en algunas escenas.

@@Lily1127channel cuales escenas?..no lo he visto

No son muchas. En capitulo 10 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nTlTPgQRgLc.html

Viva La Vida como la casa de las flores. Que es pésima.

El 10 de noviembre, se estrena en México la serie "Malinche", por el canal Once, a las 9:30pm.

No. Eso es un mito. En la Europa de su tiempo los europeos tenian habitos de limpieza igual o mas estrictos que los indigenas (piensa que la gran mayoria de los indigenas no vivian en ciudades aseadas).

Carlos, rey emperador

Lili1127 oh gracias por contestar 😄

De nada :)

an Indian killer does not increase his army by 99% by allying with Indians

Cortes was a saint in comparison.

500 million people speaking an European language. We are quite satisfied with the "ending", thank you.

@@KrlKngMrtssn Ok...im glad you, the european representative of the "nation", are satisfied with the result of destroying what's different as always. WE THE EUROPEANS.... "I think there was a video of a goat laughing on youtube, check it out"

@@donnieking6429 the most important thing is that the whole American continent is europeanised. That's a good thing.

@@KrlKngMrtssnif its good or bad cannot be determined and it is irrelevant at this point. Of course when you fuck whomever you choose at will, you steal incredible amounts of gold and you inslave entire cities, it's good...or at least...some consider it to be. But that didn't last long for Europe because big brother came, the USA , and said to Europe, SCRAM !! and got the best of it all.

@@donnieking6429 USA is not "the big brother" of Europe. It's was a colony. Then it went apart and sided against Europe in WW2

Blim

Why?

Nor delicious Mexican food we know today

@@paulvernier8564 Because of all the admixture that went on between the Spaniards and the native.

Cheers, I'll drink to that bro

Accurate

What will possibly happen?

@@ron_m21 tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax

@@ron_m21 Mexicans would drink tea in the early afternoon and speak a common language with their northern cousins.

That mean people in Mexico would have speak English instead of spanish.

​@@Valerio_the_wandering_sprite And the mexican as we know wouldnt exist. All of then would be as White as the usa are, as the english would have killed all the native as they did in the ys

Bury My Heart at wounded knee is not exactly the best source here because it is the story of North America's colonization which happened between Britain, later USA, and the Natives. The Spanish colonization in Central and South America, seen here in this video, was different in many ways. (Eg. compare the native/mestizo population of North America and Latin America). Of course the Spanish colonization was bad and cruel too in many ways. It was different from the north also because the native nations there were very different, there were a lot of very developed empires there, like the Aztec and the Inca. America is a vast land that had many native nations, one in the north was as different from one in Mexico as, let's say, Russia is from France. Same continent, different people. In this tv show, Hernán Cortés is not noble at all, he is evil and he is an antagonist. The last Aztec emperor Cuautemoc is a real warrior and hero. I don't know how this clip can give a different impression, but in the whole tv show it is so.

Mexican "empires" share a lot with the Native American counterparts. They were people of God, tradition and community (as opposed to techno-enabled occupiers and thugs). Bury My Heart bears relevance because it is a rare work in which the actual words of the native American chiefs are used as opposed to interpretations by later scholars (usually of European descent). If you hear their words, it is in the words that their nobility comes through. They use gentle speech, metaphors, poetic language ... their linguistic superiority speaks of the superiority of their character and culture. And if you look at the way words have been apportioned in this clip, it is Hernan Cortez who uses long speeches, poetic flourishes. His expression changes many times and he appears persuasive and "right" while the Mexican chiefs speak in short sentences ("Why do you come here?") and maintain the same expression that shows fear, insecurity and frankly, idiocy. They are stiff, rigid. All of this is mere imagination. Bury My Heart tells you that they were extremely eloquent people who had deep understanding of monotheism and a higher purpose .... so deep in fact, that they were worth of being the spiritual teachers of their European counterparts. And in this scene again, we are shown the opposite. In no way does this scene communicate the reality that they so called "spirituality" of the colonizers was just greed in disguise.

@@saifali The Aztecs had a totally different language (nahuatl) to that of the chieftains of Bury my heart, they were different in many things. They had different beliefs, different values, different religion, different culture. Even Maya and Aztec cultures were very different, even though they geographically lived close, so those that lived thousands of miles away (and 300 years later!) were even more different. Similar in some things, too, of course. Bury my heart is a good source in terms of judging those particular native cultures that Bury my heart is about, not others that lived thousands of miles from there. Again, the Spanish colonization was very bad too, I am just saying that Bury my heart bears little significance when we are talking about the clash between the Aztec and the Spanish empires. Also, British oppression of the North American natives and Spanish oppression of the Central and South American ones should not be treated as one, or mixed, or confused, because they were different things. Different in time, location, the people involved, and the ways in which they happened. The series as a whole depicts the greed of Cortes and the Spanish very clearly. Eg. in this scene it is said out loud by Cortes himself: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-AZ_n7ACdusI.html

Noble natives were quite keen on sacrificing their own people for fun. Aztecs alone slaughtered 250.000 people annually . That was 1% of their population. Every. Single. Year. I dont think it's a wise choice to put XXI century moral standards to XVI century world.

B.S.

Se llama 'Carlos, rey emperador'. Es una serie de tv sobre Carlos V, emperador y rey de España.

Yes

Aoe3?

Exactly. He was terrified of them moctezuma.

Carlos, rey emperador

De next wave of conquistadores would done the same, but with more brutality

@@lopcaarald5161 Thats rigth

@RhodesianSAS1994 Romans and visigoths did it before.

@RhodesianSAS1994 I think it's more of a normal human behavior. The victorious tribe unites and assimilates the defeated to their tribe. This is how empires are created. The Romans did the same with all the peoples they encountered.

If the guards executed the conquistadors, we would be watching live human sacrifice and enslavement of the conquered tribes on streaming today.

The Aztecs were a quite advanced society in many ways. They had good and effective weapons, apart from the fact that they didn't have guns.

Dude “rocks” obsidian glass flint they made into swords n clubs just search Aztec sword there really cool

@@suatchaglan7446 Thank you

They built a city called Tenochtitlan, it had well over 200,000 people at the time, larger than any European city in that period. Tenochtitlan was also a zero-waste city that was CLEANER than any European city at the time (streets riddled with excrement while the Aztecs encoded laws to conserve the natural environment and to recycle).

@@Lily1127channel Plus Macahuitl obsidian swords.

Yeah, you wanted to give us your version!

But you see how this looks?

India never turned into an Anglo-Saxon country, and the same with various African countries which the British ruled.. What about this?

@@positivelife7633 Our culture changed, they destroyed the education system that laid importance for spiritual upbringing. But, they also brought ideas like democracy and human and women rights, I guess there are two sides of same coin.

Pues totalmente de acuerdo. Se hicieron lo q son hoy en día, mestizos, se unieron y respetaron hasta q los traidores lograron una separación que a día de hoy se siente, hispanos pobres dominados por anglos. De ser lo más grande, México potencia, Cuba, Venezuela.. A ser lo q es hoy en dias

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice_in_Aztec_culture

You can watch the series Hernan from 2019. It is a Mexican-Spanish series.

It's called TV show, honey

It's a TV show mate, Lili didn't make it ya goober.

@@Lily1127channel Its a show but it's pretty dumb. From what I knwo from writings of those days Montezuma belived the spanish were GODS and so he treated them very well in the beginning, not like this. And Cortez exploited the intial Atzec attitude to get gifts and infiltrate in the city

@@freedomordeath89 But that's exactly what happens in this show 🤷‍♀️ Which is obviously much more than in this clip. Did you see it all? Moctezuma believes they are the bearded gods who were prophecized to come from west, and he treats them indeed well in the show. And that's exactly what Cortes does in the show, exploiting their good faith to infiltrate the city. So what is dumb here?

@@freedomordeath89 I like how all the Aztecs spoke Spanish lol