Herzog - Toynbee Debate (3/6) 

@JohnDoe-jw5lf We will never convince each other, but for giggles l will make a couple of points. Islamic antisemitism? Jewish and Christian communities were all North Africa and the Middle East for a reason, because they were accepted. With the start of the Zionist movement, which openly declared it wanted a Jewish run state in the heart of the Arab world, with or without the consent of the locals, yes that started to upset the Arabs toward the Jews. I thought there were atrocities committed on both sides, but apparently the Hebron event sticks out for you. For me the time of the event is important,1929, not 1229 or 1829. Apparently this holds no significance for you, but for me it does. Justification, maybe not, but there is another part of the story you leave out. One other way to look at it. What if the Zionist movement had started in Ethiopia instead of Europe. The Ethiopian Jews declaring they were in fact the direct descendants of the original Jews of ancient Israel, and now wanted to reconstruct a new state in that land. This would be their truth as they see it, but most, l dare say would note those Jews look like all other typical Ethiopians. Possessing virtually zero biological evidence, other than tradition (a very important word) that their ancestors actually once lived in the so called Promise Land. Obviously this did not happen, but for many, myself included, this hypothetical scenario is no different than what the Eastern and Northern European Zionist Jews decided to do. Your point about the archeological digs, fair, as far as it goes. They have also found more archeological evidence dating from earlier pre Jewish times, of other civilizations in the same area. There was a historical ancient Israel, never heard anyone denying this.

Correction: What the Nazis have done is "peculiar" to the effect that is has never before been committed on such an organized level or at such speed as it was committed.

Ignorance should be painful..Nudnik

where are you getting this argument from? I'm 5:31 into the audio and so far Dr. Herzog's argument has been nothing of the sort.