Hesychasm and Orthodox Christian Theology 

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@@cuthbertsboots5733 they’re yellow.

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It is not. Hesychasm is heresy and is a rip off of yoga and Hindu paganism via breathing techniques and movements. The church fathers and early Christian’s NEVER taught such wrong activities and is why orthodoxy is schism and heresy and you must submit to the Roman bishop in order to not perish in the lake of fire

Do you know what to repent from

@@Dub4Yah yes

Oh knock it off.....clerics are no more Holy than the rest of us.

@@RolandPunch like Christmas and Easter

​@charlesnunno8377 true, many people have never felt the fire of repentance including many clerics.

There’s a rich intellectual tradition in the East. The West does theology differently as the focus is more on abstract rationality rather than knowledge based in the experience of God.

@@willhedges6639 I totally agree with you, but I think that around the 14th century or earlier there had been a discontinuation in hyperintellectual traditions within the Byzantine Empire and the Middle East which later popped up in Europe during the Renaissance. Perhaps both Eastern Christians and Muslims associated intellectualism with social disorder, warfare, religious schisms etc. which caused them to de-emphasize rationalism or intellectualism in favor of mysticism. This would not have immediate implications or consequences, but the long-term negative consequences of such traditions would only be visible after centuries. I'm also frankly amazed by how violent the European continent has been between the 16th and 19th centuries and the cost of their progress.

@@williamkennedy2474 I’m not disagreeing, partly cause I’m just ignorant of the history you’re referring to, but I wonder why you correlated the intellectual traditions in East with social disorder. From my limited understanding of the history of eastern Europe they were subjected for 600 years in Greece, and under significant influence of western progressivism such as the reign of Catherine the 1st and later Marxism in Russia. I’m not saying Eastern thought is flawless but I would argue that Eastern social disorder is more a result of subjugation and the creeping influence of western progressivism.

Comunion with God's uncreated energies means to be at least able to know that any ideas that come to mind are false already if they don't com trough those energies. No need to think about them. Prayer enlightens soul and you receive the understanding you need in the heart.

​@@willhedges6639 I was correlating hyperintellectual traditions in both East and West with social disorder, not intellectual traditions per se. As for your last argument, it makes sense to say that influences of Western progressivism have led to a lot of social disorder in Eastern Europe, the Far East, South Asia etc. I think that the main problem was that in many non-Western Christian or Islamic countries there has always been a formal division between secular authority and clerical authority where the government was responsible for keeping order while the clerical establishments were responsible for rendering social services. The problem with ideologies like republicanism or Marxism was that these ideologies were inherently anti-clerical and were of little use in a non-Western country, since non-Western countries often didn't have the efficient social institutions to provide services which were previously rendered by the clergy. This had as a consequence that people from countries in Eastern Europe, Latin America or countries like Iran during the Pahlavi era suffered tremendous income inequality, hunger, disorder, extremely high crime rates etc. The whole of Latin America is a particularly gruesome example.

How?

​@@leiyeuktsui8449 Pentecostals practice a kind of meditation very similar to hesychasm, looking inward to try to hear God speak to you. Their approach to theology is also less intellectual-based and more about personal spiritual experience and mysticism.

If you think of God as completely outside our realm of knowledge or understanding, then it makes perfect sense. He's God, he can whatever he wants basically.

Pray and study more. You're full of assumptions, which is normal- but you're gonna want to start from scratch and really pray God leads you to understanding, because answering questions will do nothing for you unless you realize that you don't know what you're talking about. Know our position, try to understand, and then ask for elaboration on what we both know

ONE doesn’t always mean singular. In Hebrew they have a word ECHAD/ONENESS. The group of elite soldiers in ECHAD. A church in ONE body, this concept had existed in the book of Genesis. From Eve coming from Adam’s Rib. Genesis 2:24 “For a reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united with his wife, they will become ONE flesh. 2 People in Unity, inseparable, undivided (though divorce came into the world by sin), belonging to one-another.

Lamentations Rabbah 3:60, 9 relates after the Roman emperor Hadrian indiscriminately executed two Jews, the Holy Spirit kept crying out, “You have seen, O LORD, the wrong done to me. Uphold my cause! You have seen the depth of their vengeance, all their plots against me” (Lam. 3:59-60) This provides and example of the Spirit making intercession. 80 According to Leviticus Rabbah 6:1, the Holy Spirit is a defense counsel who speaks to Israel on behalf of the Lord and then speaks to the Lord on behalf of Israel. To Israel the Spirit says, “Do not testify against your neighbor without cause” (Prov. 24:28), and to the Lord the Spirit, “Do not say, ‘I’ll do to him as he has done to me’” (Prov. 24:29). 81 In all these citations, which can be easily multiplied (see, e.g., Genesis Rabbah 84:11; Song of Songs Rabbah 8:16; Lamentations Rabbah 1:48), there can be no question that we are dealing with a “who” and not just with a “what,” with a personal dimension of God and not just with an impersonal power, with God himself and yet with a “separate” entity who can mediate between God and man. 82 And these citations closely parallel some of the New Testament descriptions of the Holy Spirit, although virtually all the Rabbinic texts cited were written many years later. 83” - Brown, Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus, Volume 2, Theological Objections, p. 55-56

yes He is

It depends on the point of view. Christianity traditionally believes he is God. But there are other groups that believe in Jesus as only the son of God, a human being who was given a special power (the Holy Spirit) to overcome sin, and do all he did. They believe only the Father as God, and Jesus as the King of Israel, the Messiah.

​@Jonnhy0989 those are blasphemous ideologies. Jesus Christ was not an angel, nor an ambassador, but the very Lord Himself incarnate come to save me, an erring man.

Jesus is God

Jesus is God, all orthodox Christians believe that and ought to do so, whoever doesn't is a heretic

Read the writings of St Palamas

Your gnostic view of prayer is not an own to us, lulz

Hindu practice? How do you relate that to Hindu? Where is the relationship?

Buddy, there's historically no interaction between hesychasm and buddhism. All that stuff you mentioned is completely optional and often times disregarded even in an entire generation. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hesychasm "This stage is called the guard of the mind. This is a very advanced stage of ascetical and spiritual practice, and attempting to accomplish this prematurely, especially with psychophysical techniques, can cause very serious spiritual and emotional harm to the would-be hesychast. St. Theophan the Recluse once remarked that bodily postures and breathing techniques were virtually forbidden in his youth, since, instead of gaining the Spirit of God, people succeeded only "in ruining their lungs."" "On the actual breathing technique, St Theophan the Recluse wrote that "all the techniques that are written about (sitting, being bent over and so on)... are not for everyone and without the help of a personal teacher can be dangerous. It is better to leave all of this alone. Only one technique is essential - to be attentive in your heart. All the rest is superfluous and adds nothing to the prayer” (O molitve Iisuovoy (On the Jesus Prayer). New York. 1995. Pp. 30-31.)." Most of the ones pushing this idea of "hesychasm being buddhist" are the dimond brothers, a crazy sedevacantist group which takes it's sacraments from greek catholic churches like confession despite their hate of Palamas. Baarlam himself said he will himiliate Palamas only for him to leave Constantinopole after lying that he submitted to the 1351 synod and became a RC bishop. Dude was instated more because of him formerly being eastern orthodox since he often times wrote things that contradicted papal supremacy and was general open about not actually caring too much about dogmas. stephanebigham.com/en/a-bad-theologian-of-unity-in-the-fourteenth-century-barlaam-of-calabria/#sdfootnote13anc

“Never part of Christian monasticism” is crazy. Hesychasm is not some weird occult copy of far eastern mysticism. The deseret fathers engaged in similar kinds of prayer in the 4th century. The tradition of prayer on mount Athos is more complex and developed than anywhere on earth. These kinds of bodily affectations incorporated in mysticism don’t work for no reason. Christ as the Logos reveals the true purpose for everything. The Orthodox world view is understood best as “both and.” Everything in existence has its proper logoi which is revealed in Jesus Christ. The Jesus prayer is mysticism in its proper form, while of course incorporating the necessity of maintaining an ascetic life.

But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. -Matthew 6:6 (Jesus teaching contemplative prayer) 22The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. 23But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness! -Matthew 6:22-23 (Jesus teaching how yo focus the gaze of the inner eye by making it single/directed. Jesus also teaching how to become a light/photeinos) There has to be a way to know God directly through union/communion- this is what Jesus taught. 39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life (John 5:39) Intellectual knowledge of scripture isn't enough to claim that you know God. You must truly worship God, As Jesus said "in spirit and in truth" (John 4:24) You think reading scripture will grant you life? Life comes from life. Spirit from Spirit. The scripture is the guide pointing to these things. If someone held a gun to my head and said that I could only teach 2 teachings then I would teach "single eye gaze" and attend the divine liturgy and partake in the church sacraments.

@@willhedges6639 As orthodox clergy themselves have noted, the hesychasts contribution was to ascribe a physical bodily technique to the recitation of the Jesus prayer which has obvious parallels in yoga and sufism. If you can't see such an obvious blatant thing you are spiritually blind.

@@willhedges6639 Furthermore, it is a dogmatic decision of the council of Nicaea that every Christian must believe and profess that whatever begins to exist is created and that God is immutable and absolutely unchaengable in his divinity amd remains always the same. Palamas on the other hand declared that some uncreated energies had a beginning. If one believes this he is a fool and a heretic.

@@vasil05 I accounted for the parallels in my reply

Bruh moment

@@ORaddlyispissedoff When you are inside any religion you don't see things with the same clarity as a man from the outside looking in and analyzing them one by one. I suffered a great deal of HUMILIATION under Roman Catholicism. Now that I am on the outside looking in, and I am no longer even momentarily fooled by Eastern Orthodoxy either....I can see religions for what they all really are. They are group-formation mechanisms. Nothing more. The Eastern Christians had to develop this practice in order to rationalize a specific kind of group-structure. Like the Buddhists, the Orthodox have the evolutionary need to create covert means of exclusion and isolation in order to survive. One way to do that is by bringing back mysticism and subtle forms of magical thinking. ( I'm not condemning it. )

@@charlesnunno8377 Christians never had a Buddhist past, they can’t return to Buddhism

​@@charlesnunno8377sorry to hear Roman Catholicism hurt you. It hurts a lot of people.

@@RolandPunch No, Christianity does, because in the modern environment it punishes those who LIVE IT, and grants charity only to the "other." It loves the Stranger, rather than "their own." That's the problem with humanistic progressive creeds. Christianity was just the Ancient version of the modern Woke.

It's not Gnosticism

@@leiyeuktsui8449 That is debatable.

Visions, dreams of the prophets were all influenced by the holy spirit and not by drugs. Using drugs are a perversion of what is supposed to be a divine supernatural work of God. And like that every good has a perversion and a wrong way to go about it.

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Nah he's a saint

may he pray for you

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@@raresandrei198 he cant

@@AnonymousMan115 nah

then why are you here

@@hmldjr christian violence