This lines was written about life in Soviet Union and still could be useful in Russian Federation.This country refused to accept rules of independence country and territorial boundaries. So if people of this country like war, murdering theirs neighbors, it is not the worst idea to left them in 19th century. They even still believe in propaganda that cannot open google and read Orwell words from letters to his publisher. How many fingers 👋. The correct answer is depends on regime needs 🫡
@@lshnkMaybe you need to learn a bit more about Orwell? He wrote about the dystopian future version of the Great Britain 🤦♂️ I can compare my experience of living in both + Ze Country and the only thing I can say: you are very far from reality.
@@lshnk Funny how Orwell wanted to criticize the Soviet Union after being a colonial cop in Burma. I guess dispossessing landlords is bad but enforcing brutal colonial rule is a-ok.
Also, no choice but to ban those who question "why are all these banned developers Russian?". Also not answering the question and blocking comments on it.
I don't see how you can reconcile "no control over" with "free software". If government now decides on who's worthy of maintaining Linux kernel, how about they decide to add vulnerabilities to it for their own convenience?
I think the linux foundation should have handled the situation better, instead of banning them and saying nothing, and Linus having the worst response every, they should have explained why that happen and thanked those contributors for their work
@@michaell.8748 the situation is a messed one anyways, it kinda shows how weird our era is that Russia, despite being at war is still just vibing with the rest of us
I think the LF handled the situation exactly the way they wanted to be, make no mistake. This was signed off by L. Torvalds as his pathetic reaction is the proof. Exactly their choice, not a coincidence. L. Torvalds is now more than ever seen as the big as*hole he really is , which doesn't help Linux at all, just the opposite.
Such ban should've never happened. Open source is supposed to be an apolitical sphere, where the international gathers and develops something together. If open source is regulated by sanctions, then isn't "open" source at all.
_Hey DT...._ I finally made the decision to migrate to Linux and recently discovered your channel. You got some great content. Thanks for all that you do.
@@CarlosMX666 but, what about the millions who support their president and contribute to the war effort? people need to understand that there will be consequences if you start a war.
@@aku7610 see Stallman's principles I also recently watched a video about on here. I guarantee if those devs quit those companies they would still be banned and Torvalds would still be a boot licking racist.
I’m a mexican, and I couldn't be more in favor of russian devs. We mexican folks do a certain kind of work, but when it comes to political matters, we’re always under attack. It’s unacceptable that Linus Torvalds takes so much work from russian people, pushes them out of the community, and justifies it by saying they're just trolls. Around here, we say a PhD doesn’t make you any less of an idiot, and Linus Torvalds doesn’t have anger issues-he’s basically a complete jerk.
@ So you think you are the only one who can read? Really is that your argument? I mean, I’m a software developer too, don’t you think that is very naive from you to think that I’m not capable of informing myself?
I thought that Linux Kernel maintainers were carefully selected based on their skills and contributions. Like they are best of the best given how nasty Linus towards “stupid” developers. It is surprising that Linus all of a sudden claims them to be funded by Russian govt. Wasn’t it clear before? Why just now three years into war? I think there’s a bigger story here. And could be easily connected to November 5th.
Hey, DT, thank you from Russia. I just want to say, when we have something that join us, like the kernel or the space station it sad to see how somebody destroys it. I believe that we will work together (all the people). Engineers will union the World (Not political comment)
Yeah, the shameless US neocons needed the Russian rockets to keep the space station alive! Trade and cultural appreciation, not stupid counterproductive sanctions, are the way to go.
Linux user since 2009 (pro and family) , started with Ubuntu, then Fedora (15), back Ubuntu, OpenSuse, Debian, back to Ubuntu (mostly Kubuntu). Just another GNU/Linux journey ... I do appreciate this channel, thanks !
@@TaijiquanGaoshou You mean like the entire opposition (political, media, etc.) being banned, the Church being destroyed, people kidnapped off the streets to serve as cannon fodder, journalists being killed, people internationally being put on a "kill list", massive corruption by the ruling elite, people voting for peace but being betrayed by their new govt., a president who is not legitimate after his term expired, a country that signed the Minsk agreements only to have the co-sponsors (Merkel and Hollande) admit that it was just a delaying tactic? Oh wait, that is all done by Ukraine which is consistently ranked the most corrupt country in EU and high on the int'l list too.
OK. How many times did the US invade its neighbors in the 20th and 21th century? I will start past the 1991 to list some of the one maded by Russia (if i started earlier the list will be to big): 1991-1992: South Ossetian War 1991-1993: Georgia Civil War 1992-1993: War in Abkhazia 1992: Transnistria War 1992-1997: Tajikistani Civil War 1994-1996: First Chechen War 1999: War of Dagestan 1999-2009: Second Chechen War 2008: Russo-Georgian War 2014-present: Russo-Ukrainian War It is not that the United States goes out and sets up its bases without permission from the country, the country allows it because just sharing borders with Russia and not being a Russia submissive state put them on danger.
@@caelisr3 Why did you chose conflicts after the collapse of the USSR, provoked by the western world ? Just to speak about the latest one : you never heard of the corruption of officials in Ukraine by the US government to attempt to destroy Russia ? You seem to have good lists, could you please display the one with the conflicts made by the US ? Strangely, they always happen on the other side of the world, so not to be implicated on their own ground. Ukraine for ex. is a good example : let Europeans fight, and then use Blackrock to rebuild and submit.
I loooove when he puts on his intellectual glasses. But when you look a tad closer you notice that behind his eyes there is not much going on. Just rolling tumble weed and the howling wind. MAGA!
Hey DT, thanks for answering my question about Russians!!! My point was mainly about how much free software can be if a government (the most powerful in the world to be more precise) can dictate who contributes and who doesn't. It seems to me that FOSS is not that FOSS at the end. But I get it that there's nothing we can do about that.
Wrong. russians still can fork what they want and do what they want. Right now they are basically lost an option to add any backdors to the code. And also EMMOTIONAL DAMAGE)
@@andriiukraine6697 We all know what organisation is capable of doing it and has all intentions to do so. It is based on the other side of the pond and operates freely. Of course there is always someone who prefers the backdoors produced by his favourite brand but c'mon all the backdoors are bad.
👍 And another example here: The US which hosts the UN building and offices have banned some members from flying to the US to attend legitimate meetings. The UN is neutral territory but the US controls the entry! The UN has been politicized and works for the benefit of the Collective West / Five Eyes only. That's why we see entities like the SCO, BRICS, etc. ascending.
No, not on a large scale. The Russians are buying from China. They are using Linux and their version of Android without Google Apps. I've nothing against Russians personally, but the behaviour of the Russian government is unforgivable. Under ordinary circumstances, I would say, isolationism is a bad idea. But both Russia and China are threats to our democracies. I hoped for a change in both countries. Worked for years with Asian corporations. We, a colleague, had a partnership in a company in China, and we worked together with Chinese bigger and small corporations. About the bigger corporations. In each division in a region, there's a workforce consisting of 80.000-100.000 people!
Of course the Linux Foundation can do something to evade the US sanctions against open source. It could transfer control of the project outside the US.
I think the first distro I ever tried my hands on was Slackware in our computer school (back then it was a thing, at least in India), I think it was 1996/97. We were installing it to teach students SCO Unix System V commands (LOL) as they did not want to invest that kind of money in buying a SCO license.
sometimes when you dabble into political stuff I shrug off somehow... not because I think you're utterly wrong, but because I value some nuances fundamentally differently... The response this time was practically indistinguishably from how I'd view that situation. I cant subscribe twice, but I would if I could xD
the execuative order says NOTHING about linux, open source, or the gpl. It's much broader than open source, and I really wish people would go and read the damn thing before commenting on it.
When you use CC license materials, mention the author. When you use that desktop OS in which Linux kernel is embedded in it, say GNU-Linux (or GNU/Linux, what have you). It's not that hard ;-)
Maybe the anonymous contributor who wrote that alarming CUPS vulnerability could start maintaining other kernel components. Really, he could. Like it or not. Don't say I didn't warn you.
Linux Mint its verry god, but Linus Torvalds its a russophobic persson, i se that. But Russia is still developing its own Linux distributions, if necessary, probably also a self-developed kernel. I mean, why should the Russians care anyway when they are being shut out here and there! Linux development in Russia is incredibly successful, regardless of silly Finnish and American phobias. 🤣
In Russia, there are no independent IT companies left. All of these companies are controlled by the KGB, with their maintainers working directly for them. Concerns should not focus solely on a few Russian maintainers but rather on the potential risks of missiles, running on Linux, or malware that could disrupt your infrastructure.
@@thisisafact9181 “The main difference between the CIA and the KGB is that the latter wants to kill you-not just the government, but all people. They talk about nuclear strikes on Washington on their TV each evening. Their movies and culture constantly talk about defeating ‘пиндосы’ (a derogatory term they use for Americans). They've lost a Cold War and they wants to revenge.
@@retrocomputing They just made re-branding. People, that make decisions in Russia they all former members of KGB. And they still hate you and want to destroy you all.
@@novoiperkele Russia did try. Remember the "not one inch to the East" promise by the West which was continuously broken? Remember the Minsk Accords, which were deceptively signed and co-sponsors Merkel and Hollande admitted were signed just to buy time for NATO to arm Ukraine? Remember the Istanbul Agreement which promised peace and sovereignty that Ukraine walked away from? Remember BoJo's trip to his buddy Mr. Z to tell him lies that Ukraine can win against Russia? Remember the Collective West's comment that they will fight Russia "to the last Ukrainian"? Well, this one is coming true, sadly! Know about all the "patriots" who are routinely kidnapped in Ukraine and sent off to the eastern meat grinder? Do you know who Blackrock are and their financial ownership of parts of Ukraine? And on and on and on .... But hey, thanks for the laugh. 😂
I myself remember my first Linux distros - Knoppix as LiveCD and Ubuntu as installed OS. 6:43 these people are not free anyway, so they choose lesser evil. 14:51 This... maybe they would even motivate these individuals to switch jobs.
Why are not US programmers banned? Never forget what they did to Iraq, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Libya, Gaza and more. Hypocrisis at its finest. I am all for bashing war-mongering regimes, but if you have any kind of moral standard you can’t pick and choose who you want to sanction. You should apply the same standards to everyone.
@@DrSpooglemonwell, not really Bhutan is the world’s biggest creator of refugees by per capita. In one fell swoop in the 1990s, the country expelled the Lhotshampa, an ethnic group with its origins in Nepal which made up one-sixth of Bhutan’s population, to preserve its unique national identity. More than 20 years on, thousands still remain in camps in Nepal, lost in their own country.
@@retrocomputing Yep once you sink your project in this rabbit hole there is no coming back. If this ban standards were to apply equally to every country very little countries would be acceptable. And this brings nothing but harm to the project.
We are not one world and all a happy family! Like hell. That is so not true. It is wishful thinking. There are suppose to be borders for a reason. Same as, that there are prisons and good old fashion solitary confinement for those naughty one.
I Agree, Linus handled it terribly! And it wasn't like any of his past nasty responses, it was exactly against FOSS values, you would never get something nasty like that from Richard Stallman.
I've been around since the slackware days!!! I also put debian on an old Mac Quadra!! That was a fun project!!! lol yes I'm old!!! Wrote my first program on punch cards on a pdp-11.
+1 for the Neovim setup video. Especially, on Arch to show how to set it up as a decent file manager (/w Telescope, Search etc.) and an IDE for C++, Golang, Python and some other programming languages (I only care about these 3, but others would probably appreciate JS, Java and Rust). Interestingly, I still haven't been able to set up the C++ capabilities after watching many videos and following many instructions.
Only those russians were banned who represent sanctioned corporations and institutions. These people introduced support for their own-built CPU Baikal, which they use in their military.
At the same time, US and other countries also working on support of their own hardware that they use in their weapons. It just means that US can control opensource, Russia and China can't. The right of the strongest, at the end. What DT said right is that Linus controls many things. Linus said mentioned our common history, but forgot to mention things like who block aded Leningrad during WW2. No hate to the man. I think he is just a not very nice person.
the Russians wanted to join NATO and now it would be a totally different world, do you really think the other half of the world is made up of miserable stupid backward people and the USA is the only world gendarme?
What disturbs me about the Linux Foundation, that Linus Torwalds is so happy about banning those developers, which contributed to the Kernel for many years. The justification that he is Finnish is very poor. It is like WW1, the German hate the French, without differentiation. In the 21. Century we should know better, than to impose community penalty and exclude people due to their nationality. I am also disappointed that we can't have software, which can't be influenced by current politics and is independent and decentralized. Who can now make sure, that next time Linus doesn't decide to implement a backdoor for encryption, since it is a requirement by the government ?
btw. it was not because of nationality but because of the employer instead. There are still a lot of Russian maintainers, only those working for selected companies were removed.
Exactly. Good concern about the potential for abuse. This type of behavior will just drive people around the world to alternatives. Just like MS and Apple have driven people to Linux. BRICS will probably develop a hard fork of Linux, just like they did and are doing with SWIFT, WTO, NATO, etc.
It's time to free Foss from political influence then. Be it to relocate outside of the US. Also time to kick Linus out. It's not his property, if it is, then a new organization must be created that is free and independent from any influence!
It's happening already. There's serious talk in Russia about hard-forking Linux. Are they technologically capable? I give you the Russian rockets that save the Space Station, the hypersonic flying thingies, the new emerging financial system, etc. from some of the best engineers and scientists in the world.
it’s ironic that the thing keeping linux afloat is that windows is just worse. there was a time when linux was better, today it’s just less bad. the only thing that is salvageable is the kernel and it is not owned by these corporations and foundations that love to put the word free everywhere but always do the opposite, so consider stop supporting them when they prove they are not trustworthy.
It already does ban Russian creators that post things which don't "agree" with official stance on war in Ukraine. There are some other channels that were banned, but I don't know which ones. Then quite a few websites disallow access from Russian IPs. Russia has banned Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and recently Discord. Which everyone willing knows how to avoid. RU-vid is slow in Russia, but that depends on provider and is likely caused by Google leaving Russia a long time ago (there's also more than one related lawsuit), so all the infrastructure they had is very likely to be in a bad state. Unlike what the other comment is saying there was no attempt to ban Google, all the bans are because of moderation on these platforms, either too much of it (banning Russians) or not enough of it (not separating 18+ things too well)
Yup, the "misinformation" hammer comes down hard on truth-tellers. That''s democracy and the rules-based order at work. Screw the 1st Amendment, right? 😜
The answer to the cover title: because when you look at Linus' takes from the past decade or so - excluding programming related ones (and not always) - he could be easily mistaken for a CNN propaganda mouthpiece. Literally.
No one got banned. They just have to go through the same review process as anyone else. And there are still Russian Linux maintainers. As long as Russians don't work for a sanctioned company, they are safe.
How ridiculous. Imagine if Newton's laws only applied if you were Mexican or German. Science and human progress, especially when they depend on community effort, however big or small, shouldn’t have absurd political boundaries. Besides, we all know politicians do behind the scenes what they prohibit us from doing. It’s utterly stupid to play along with their game.
Thst's true. But they were important peoples nonetheless. And I don't think they're gonna stop working for the company for a project which is their side thing but also doesn't seem to appreciate their contributions. You may forget but humans have emotions.
@@xiaor1ck213 If we’re bringing emotions into this, think about how Ukrainians feel about those companies bankrolling the war against them. And, let’s be real - Linux kernel is the last place you’d want to contribute if you're looking for emotional support.
where did you come with that sh*t? Of course they're banned, in addition where is the official accusation about them working for a sanctioned company? Nobody has seen nothing, just deletion and you claim something else.
Linux is open. Linux is free. You are free to fork it anytime, but you cannot demand others to behave like you want them to ... that would not be free.
@@snygg1993 It's like "democracy". You gotta do it the neocon/NATO/Collective West way, or you get a regime change, get your face on a playing card, invite a color revolution and/or "sanctions". You know, the so-called "rules-based order" where they make the rules and you get to follow unquestioningly. It's called Freedom and we'll feed freedom to you through Nuland Cookies or, in the case of Linus, Linus Lollypops! 😜
1. Linus is just being Finnish: saying things as he sees them, no filter. 2. Missing the "Ukrainian elephant in the room" when discussing sanctions against Russia is a bit of a WTF for a person of DT's level of intelligence.
Thank you so much. I feel like I am living on a different planet or all these tech RU-vids are living under a rock or are brought by Russia also. I find is so funny that he is so offended by Linus words but does not care about the slaughter Russia is doing. Where am I ?
@@r2-p2 Hey, i just wanted to point out that being a russian doesn't automatically make you a war supporter. There are millions of people and not everyone can just leave everything and move out.
@@kras_mazovfinally, some rational person. Yes, Russian doesn't mean you support it or against. It is like saying if you are American it means you support Joe Biden, because he is current president. Thanks for saying obvious (but not for some apparently).
Absolutely ridiculous that Russian developers were removed , discrimination going on here. Atleast Linus should have written a statement but guess, Linus wanted this. America has done far worse.
I just hope entire linux falls apart now. So then we can start on something new and clean. Linux just have too much baggage. From technical to political problems.
12:35 Hey DT US sanction russia not because of some disagreement but because russia aggressive war against Ukraine.. And those guys who was banned - they were working(as minimum by formal signs like email domain and so on) for the companies who support this war by supplying software, hardware and other services that helps kremlin to build missiles that shelling the civil infrastructure in Ukraine... Didn't you care those guys can disorganize linux kernel effort just by the order as they dependent from their employer? 13:35 and it helps me, my family, my parents who live in Kyiv, other civilians and many Ukrainian soldiers on front-line to get less missiles and drones on our heads.
Nobody cares. US pays big sums to Ukraine and wasting it's resources and hurting economy. Well paid actors like Zlen$ky should stop begging and bear war budget from own expense. Can't believe till how long till Zlsky will stop begging.
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-AUSJ3ZozLMQ.html Then why weren't Huawei employees also banned? The reason? Well it deals with logic: something you eschew in favour of "do what the TV tells me to do".
Linus is from Finland. Soviet union invaded Finland in the winter war where Finland lost a lot of people and territory. Just like its attacking Ukraine right now for the past 2 years. 300000-400000 people died in the ruzzZZzzzian invasion of Finland (winter war+continuation war). Find out what you are talking about and maybe apologize to Linus.
The Russian Empire invaded the Swedish Empire, occupied and created the Duchy of Finland, gave it many rights (Finland had its own army, schools, language, taxes), then after the Russian Empire broke Finland became independent, if it wasn't for Russia Finland could have still been a Swedish province. I think taking one war and making it the bedrock of your entire politics for 200 years is just stupid, if that was true in Europe it would be in forever deadlock because of past wars.
@@JamesSmith-ix5jd For most people, history doesn't matter or is not studied. Easier to watch the mainstream Collective West media for pithy, digestible, fits-my-own-biases information. Thanks for sharing the information and your concluding statement was on the mark! 🎯
Torvalds will also never admit that his beloved Finland was an ally to "evil mustache man" Germany in that certain war we ain't allowed to talk about on YT.
