HF Radio Nets - Who Owns the Frequency?

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Who owns the frequency on the HF Ham Radio Bands? If a Net runs every day at a specific time, does that mean they "own" the frequency? Do you have to move off of "their frequency" if you are using it before they start their net?
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@osculant Месяц назад

As a new POTA operator years ago, I had the exact same experience. Checked the frequency several times, started calling CQ, and a minute or two later someone strong came back and informed me that there was a net in progress and had been in progress for 65 years. Silly boat boys. I’ve had positive experiences, operating POTA in Cayman Islands I came across the spiderweb net and worked several of the stations from several parks. Also been asked to Qsy nicely and been happy to do so. 73 K9MKE

@spaceflight1019 Месяц назад

What frequency? 14.300? They've been there for over 30 years. Part of being a good operator is learning the territory. Google around and learn what is where and try to avoid them.

@osculant Месяц назад

@@spaceflight1019 how was I supposed to know? I went out with my band plan and my arrl considerate operators guide and neither mention a 24/7 365 net.

@spaceflight1019 Месяц назад

@@osculant How long had you been on the air when this happened? Everyone is a rookie once, but there's no substitute for listening around the bands and learning the lay of the land. Different bands host different nets. 20 has the Maritime Mobile Net. 40 has the ECARS and MIDCARS nets during the week, and a whole lot of specialized nets like the Drake Net on the weekends. I can't say about 15 meters, but most nets on 10 meters are local nets that typically start after the local sunset. If conditions are open you may hear them long after the sun has set. It just takes time, and with that time comes experience.

@osculant Месяц назад

@@spaceflight1019 oh that was probably one of my first 20 activations, I only got into Hf for POTA, no never had a reason to “listen around the bands”. I only ever care if there’s an unoccupied space or a space occupied by a POTA station. If I ever heard a net there, all it meant is I skipped on by. I’m not logging nets I hear.

@spaceflight1019 Месяц назад

@@osculant AC6V has done the net logging, and now anyone can see what's where and when. Too bad that you limited yourself to the POTA realm, because ham radio is so much more than any one thing.

@CAphotos Месяц назад

Back in April, my group was providing communications for a bicycle event that had a 100 mile component to it. There was only one repeater in the county that gave us satisfactory coverage for the entire route. There are a group of regulars on that repeater that have given push back in the past when we've gotten permission from the repeater owner to use it. This time, after getting the necessary permission, we made a couple of calls out on the repeater a couple of days before the event and explained to them that we would be using the repeater for the event. The morning of the event, I could hear the regulars holding their usual morning round table, but they took special care to wrap it up before our event started. once the event started we didn't hear anything from them. Courtesy works...

@HamRadio2 Месяц назад

That's great to hear

@ke8mattj Месяц назад

There is 100 mile ultra marathon here in our state that uses the statewide repeater for this reason. People are courteous on it as well since the linked repeater closest to it is the only one they can reach in the valley portion of the ultra. You are definitely right on the courtesy. It's also interesting to hear what is going on during the race as well as a person who used to do marathons.

@alpha6tango860 Месяц назад

…. The weather and the latest medical ailments!! lol. Nailed it. Great topic Jason!

@artur8403 Месяц назад

Lawnmower problems also

@sljoseph74 Месяц назад

Colonoscopy appointments. 🤣

@MentalWhiplash Месяц назад

Your key words are spot on....a "Gentlemen's Agreement". Ask me to move for your net like a Gentleman and I'll likely be in Agreement....great video, Jason

@HamRadio2 Месяц назад

Thanks

@whiskey2dna 21 день назад

As a new HAM, I do believe one of the questions during the Technician test, was regarding a NET having a back-up plan/frequency should their NET frequency be 'unavailable' due to being used by an operator at the regular scheduled NET?? Also, I do not see 14.300 being blocked off or allocated on any band plan for any specific use? If the frequency is not in use, and someone is working on that frequency, common courtesy suggests you move your business to different frequency, regardless of whether you or a NET are "used to" operating at a certain frequency and/or a certain time. Back-up plans/frequencies ARE encouraged and suggested by both ARRL and FCC. Emergencies are the ONLY things that take precedence...period!! Re-read those rules folks 😉 Again, as a new HAM, most operators I have dealt with in the short amount of time are generally courteous, and obliged to help or make things go smooth. But I have come across a few alpha hotels. I just rotate my VOX and continue on 😚😛 73

@KN4MDE Месяц назад

I run a weekly EmComm Net for our county(yes this is VHF not HF) but in the intro statement we announce if the frequency is in use we meet on another one. HF nets should be able to do the same thing, in the intro, announce if this frequency is in use we will QSY to a secondary frequency.

@autoadjuster Месяц назад

This was a question on my General test, who has priority on a frequency, the answer was Nobody!

@pale_2111 Месяц назад

Emergency traffic has priority, no one else. If there is a station in distress of life or property and such, that station has priority above everyone else. Everyone who can hear a station in distress should do whatever is needed to assist that station.

@chesty1369 Месяц назад

You should go fishing for the 17m overlord. He has been interfering with potas on 17m telling them contesting is not allowed on 17m. I would imagine that the rude hams will be passing away in a few years.

@kwilde1131 Месяц назад

That dude is seriously annoying. He jammed me one time and then later I was qsoing with some dude and everything was fine until he found out I do pota. Boy did he go off, very rude. I believe he was the infamous 17M jammer.

@HardBall-be1fe 15 дней назад

With any luck, anyway. Love the dudes who try to claim you "can't" do X on X... The rules are fairly simple. And those who make the rules are the FCC. As long as you abide by FCC rules, you can politely tell these types to pound sand.

@BigJohnsHamShack Месяц назад

To the best of my recollection, no one "owns" any frequency. At best, there is a gentleman's agreement to observe a certain position in each band to accommodate voice and data transmissions. If I am here first, then it is mine, regardless of where it is located. Speak to me respectfully and explain that although you are not using it now, you have a net scheduled that is going to start shortly, and I will be more than happy to be a good neighbor and find some other space to set up shop. If you are rude and demanding, I am the kind of person who will argue with you for hours just to hear you totally lose it. What can I say? It tickles me.

@spaceflight1019 Месяц назад

Actually, the FCC and the ARRL have agreed on the establishment of band plans for as long as I can remember. The first 100 kHz of pretty much every band except 10 meters is reserved for CW and digital modes with one exception: CW can be used anywhere within the license holder's class privileges. Nets are different. 40 years ago part of the 14.313 wars was due to the Maritime Mobile Net fighting with those who were already using the frequency before the net started up. The FCC ruled that unless the net operators were able to get the users to QSY the net had to move its frequency. This caused issues with other users and led to the net controls pretending to not hear anyone on the frequency.

@BigJohnsHamShack Месяц назад

@@spaceflight1019 show me where that is a regulatory statute. Not that I don’t believe that there is a gentleman’s agreement, I just need to see where FCC has made it an actionable offense that can have a fine levied against an operator. ARRL has no authority to “agree” on anything. They have only the power of suggestion, that is it.

@BigJohnsHamShack Месяц назад

@@spaceflight1019 pay particular attention to §97.101 (b) last sentence. Part 97 - Amateur Radio Service § 97.101 General standards. (a) In all respects not specifically covered by FCC Rules each amateur station must be operated in accordance with good engineering and good amateur practice. (b) Each station licensee and each control operator must cooperate in selecting transmitting channels and in making the most effective use of the amateur service frequencies. No frequency will be assigned for the exclusive use of any station. (c) At all times and on all frequencies, each control operator must give priority to stations providing emergency communications, except to stations transmitting communications for training drills and tests in RACES. (d) No amateur operator shall willfully or maliciously interfere with or cause interference to any radio communication or signal.

@BigJohnsHamShack Месяц назад

@@spaceflight1019 § 97.101 General Standards, paragraph (b) reads as follows: Please note the last sentence. (b) Each station licensee and each control operator must cooperate in selecting transmitting channels and in making the most effective use of the amateur service frequencies. No frequency will be assigned for the exclusive use of any station.

@spaceflight1019 Месяц назад

@@BigJohnsHamShack They are not "assigning any station", they are allocating band space by mode.

@patrickknowles8572 16 дней назад

Like your comments--well done, informative and not biased. As a longtime user of the 14.300 Coast Guard recreational net I can relate to the issues raised here and warmly applaud your urging folks to obey the FCC rules and especially to be polite, courteous and cooperative. I must also say that most of the violations of all three of those, on 14.300 as well as other frequencies, are committed by contest stations. Example: The Coast Guard net had been on frequency for about 15 minutes when a stateside contest station began calling DX causing interference to the net. He initially resisted NCS requests to QSY, but finally did so saying as he left, "well, OK, but there's a DX station here." Very common occurrence. As you imply, sometimes being a good neighbor asks us to sacrifice our own wishes once in a while. 73! From old time ham, Extra Class, 1961.

@HamRadio2 16 дней назад

Thanks for your insights.

@NukaVaultReadiness Месяц назад

Great stuff as always! Never got an earful about being on freq before a net, but I HAVE said "10-4" instead of "QSO" or "I copy", the "lecture" I got that night. Told my club about it, all the elmers agreed I had encountered a Sad Ham.

@matthewcarroll3193 Месяц назад

just tell the guy that Q code is for morse, not phone lmao

@n1bsbri Месяц назад

I've had a fair amount of experience with morning nets on 40M. Rude and obnoxious, they will lie about whether I asked if the frequency was clear. (I did). Then they just start talking over you. They lie and say they can barely hear you, even though they are 20 over 9. A POTA activator with a little portable station is no match for their amplifiers and home stations. On the other hand, I've had a few who responded to my call, used their callsign, and asked politely if I would be willing to make way for their upcoming net. In that case, I just about always do so.

@HardBall-be1fe 15 дней назад

It's fun to piss them off. I key up, and literally say, "BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH (my call sign) BLAH BLAH BLAH" for as long as I feel like doing it. Then stop long enough they try to talk again and then key right up and do it again. They interrupt others by jumping a frequency that is in use, and then want to complain about someone doing it back?

@DominicMazoch Месяц назад

As a new General, I got on 14.300 once. Ham came back and explained 14.300 net was about. I live in Houston, and ship traffic is important, and 14.300 is a great back up. OP was nice about it. I said SORRY, and learned something new. I self learned my way through the ham tests. But being in an area of bad weather, you learn to respect those nets. Being nice to each other helps. And for the net runners, you may get a new member by being nice.

@kenherren7547 Месяц назад

Also, Rember that 18.160 is a net frequency like 14.300 WQ9V

@HamRadio2 Месяц назад

Being nice was one of the points I made in the video

@pirate959 Месяц назад

The ham band is not where he should be. The marine hf frequencies are defined and operators there are better prepared for marine emergencies. We all know the guy is being difficult because he has nothing better to do. I was not born yesterday.

@djernairchecks Месяц назад

I got called a "dumbass" on the air for using the "AM" portion of 40 meters, vid on my YT channel..mind you it was wide open. Once again, great video and spot on topic!

@HamRadio2 Месяц назад

Yep

@k2cjbradio Месяц назад

Excellent Jason! You can tell a net is run by hams that “get it” when they post the time and frequency with a +/- flexibility. 73 de K2CJB

@HamRadio2 Месяц назад

Yes

@miketaylor6700 25 дней назад

I was on a QSO with some friends the other day.. and we could hear someone just off frequency ‘interfering’ with us. So curiously we dialed over there to see who it was.. it was 3 guys paragliding at 9000 feet over some mountains nearby. We chatted with them a bit and then WE moved to another frequency so they could use the radio for safety purposes! Be kind everyone.

@HamRadio2 22 дня назад

Excellent advice

@TheWendell946 Месяц назад

Great show New general info is great thanks

@Kody10538 Месяц назад

Not long ago a DX station was calling CQ on 14.290 and was working split 5-10 up. The pile up landed on 14.300 and it was equally enormous and hilarious lol. The guys on the MMSN were freaking out lol.

@hamradiotube Месяц назад

That would have been great to listen to.

@mainetomass99 Месяц назад

Yup. That was the greatest. They were losing their minds. Lol. Glorious!

@lt.petemaverickmitchell7113 Месяц назад

I tore off one of those tags on my new mattress. Does my convenience of more easily being able to make my bed take precedence over tag safety…..yes it does.

@williammyers-ka8gim978 Месяц назад

This was another Excellent video, Jason, thank you for posting it.

@HamRadio2 Месяц назад

Glad you enjoyed it

@hillbillytarzan Месяц назад

Thanks for saying what many of us are thinking 👍

@kb5miqbigboy Месяц назад

Great video!! im not a fan of formal nets either, thats why we call our 10m group a roundtable n keep it informal, 73!

@kurttuttle1708 Месяц назад

Good view. What gets me is when nets change their control every hour, and ask for check-ins and it is the same people who checked in earlier giving the same information the first time they checked in with to begin with.

@michaeldupree4360 Месяц назад

Great Discussion content! thank you for talking about this. we have some sad hams on Houston nets.

@AndrewMurphy8383 Месяц назад

Amen jason thank for bring this up long time comming

@jayceew2j202 Месяц назад

Love this!!!

@FEPLabsRadio Месяц назад

Well said!

@GPSJayDog22 Месяц назад

well said

@KQ4GDM Месяц назад

Amen to everything Jason said here.

@jerryKB2GCG Месяц назад

I recently had the experience with someone being exceptionally polite and of course I was glad to move. Someone comes at me hard….welll…

@HamRadio2 Месяц назад

Same

@cooldad4 Месяц назад

Happened to me where a local club on VHF used a particular frequency, unknown to me I jumped on it and checked is this frequency in use only to be told the local club used that frequency. Understanding I had a whole band In front of me; I just moved... 73s M7FDJ

@prephampaul Месяц назад

Well said Jason!! I thought though that '5' stations have priority.... de K5VOP...😁

@ZS6SHN Месяц назад

Well said!!!

@miketaylor6700 25 дней назад

Great video. There is a local weekly net near me that always calls out 5min prior to their net and says ‘a clear frequency would be appreciated’ and I believe they have a secondary frequency should that be an issue. Good practice if you ask me. Courtesy says don’t start a long QSO there at that time.. but technically you could.

@KN4OKadventures Месяц назад

I love this topic Jason! You nailed it! They hate everyone other than those on the NET. I know they hate me lol

@butterbean4195 Месяц назад

as a ham, cber, gmrs it is common sense to check around for nets . maritime net been on for a real long time some have been on 30 plus years im smart enough to let these nets go on my calling CQ doesnt count. I enjoy some of those nets but some are worthless but to each there own as long as your not a jerk ill clear the freq.. I know you where talking about the South cars net on 7.251 bunch of great people and rather listen to them then POTA for sure. but we have a ton of frequency's to choose from bottom line this hobby has always been full of good people that help the public in times of need. we have to use common sense common curtesy..ok im on my soap box i need a valium..

@jchd2004 21 день назад

You hit the mark on this topic thanks KX4XT

@HamRadio2 21 день назад

Thanks

@scottb.2022 Месяц назад

You nailed it!

@dheller777 Месяц назад

Well said.

@Davidjb37721 Месяц назад

Thanks 😊

@HamRadio2 Месяц назад

Welcome 😊

@JustLearning Месяц назад

Excellent video Sir!

@HamRadio2 Месяц назад

Thank you kindly!

@hamradiotube Месяц назад

Love it. I never get tired of people calling out the "Boaty McBoat Face" Net for their assumed thinking that they own the frequency.

@HamRadio2 Месяц назад

Check-ins, check-ins for the YL System...

@lynnwilson9112 Месяц назад

Nailed it! I think any of us can give examples of “LIDS” trying to run us off a frequency simply because they think they have priority over a frequency (or surrounding frequencies) because they want to run a net. I had some LIDS a couple of KC’s down from me one night trying to jam me in order to get me to move because they were trying to hold a net, even though had been in QSO for over an hour before they showed up. I told them that I didn’t see any signs when I tuned up on 3.970, and the next time they attempt to jam someone they shouldn’t do it QRP. After that they accused me of operating illegally, and eventually gave up. Your absolutely spot on with how the FCC views this, I've checked myself.

@vk3xemontheweb Месяц назад

Thank you Jason for a very well presented and informed video. I started a Welfare Net during covid times that is still running to this day on a linked repeater system. Firstly everyone on the system is aware of when the net is on but more importantly if an ongoing QSO runs into net time myself and other Net Controllers just patiently wait for the QSO to end, as you have rightly said we do not have any more right to the frequency or in our case a linked repeater system. One of our objectives our Net is to encourage use of the linked repeater system, so it would be hypocritical if we asked people to stop. The main objective our net is to check up on operators that may be alone or unwell but it still does not take precedence over other operators.

@HamRadio2 Месяц назад

We had some informal welfare Nets during that time also

@JeffErdman Месяц назад

Good topic. I don't mind QSYing if the operator is polite. More than once, I've had someone jump in on my POTA activation before and ask me to QSY because their net is starting in 30, 40 minutes and they're holding the frequency for early check-ins. Does your net start at 1:00 or 0:20? Seems like the frequency should be open until the net starts... on an open frequency. I QSY'd just to avoid the hassle but it just doesn't make sense to me.

@charlessmith3739 Месяц назад

I do enjoy your channel and in general I agree with you vis a vis net frequencies. (However, 14,300khz has been used by mariners in distress, and many monitor the frequency for that reason.) Keep up the good work! 73 de ai4ot I also enjoy checking into a net every morning if conditions allow. Mostly to hear my friends’ voices but also to hear them describe their weather (hi hi).

@TridentMissileTech Месяц назад

Thanks for this video and pointing out FCC does not create or regulate the ARRL band olan.

@rowdyron4111 Месяц назад

Bravo

@HamRadio2 Месяц назад

Thanks

@ravenbarsrepairs5594 Месяц назад

The first on frequency has control of the frequency, although common courtesy is to move to another frequency, as your 1 operator vs many people expecting that net at that time at that frequency.

@souta95 Месяц назад

I had a similar issue during the Michigan QSO party... Found what sounded like a clear frequency of the 80m band, asked if it was in use a couple times. Heard nobody, threw one CQ call and got told off by someone that didn't ID saying there was a net starting in 15 minutes. Had I not been a piddly little 100 watt station, I would have fought for my frequency. Similarly, that same day (earlier than the 80m incident, actually) I stumbled across a group of 6 people doing a POTA activation together in Colorado. There were people intentionally interfering by transmitting RTTY on top of us.

@Sky1 28 дней назад

I remember when I first got my general license.I was on 14.255 Trying to make contacts. Some guy came on yelling at me screaming " You're in the window you're in the window". Had no idea what he was talking about had to look it up. Apparently there is a d x window on twenty meters there. He wasn't even using the frequency.He just wanted to listen. Go figure.

@WaynePatrick Месяц назад

Great video. It’s a very touchy subject with so many. I personally don’t do nets. Never really have. Just not my thing. I would do emergency and digital nets. My personal opinion is nets are waste of spectrum, but do serve as band use. If that’s a operator’s thing then by all means net up. I’ve been asked why don’t you participate in this or that net, mostly because some of the people on or running the net. I would definitely move if asked politely or just wrap up my QSO. I have been on just chatting when in our round table someone would say hey a net is going to start here or close by let’s wrap up and we would without being asked. The last thing a dying hobby needs is overlords and gatekeepers. We need to to encourage and promote usage of all interests. De KK4LBJ

@chuckdockery6540 Месяц назад

Good job Jason. This has always been an area of contention, and I always refer to Riley Hollingsworth who stated multiple times that the frequencies are not owned by any individual or group. But, let's also take into account how rapid band conditions can change especially on 10 meters. I at one time was a hardcore contester on 10 meters. And I can attest as I am sure you as well to being on a frequency for a period of time and all of a sudden nothing, or your on the same frequency as another contester. Also let's think about common courtesy. If a net is being held at the same time everyday and you know that why would you begin calling CQ before the net starts on that frequency? Also on the line of courtesy, if there is not a QSO in progress it is much easier for one person to move than a bunch of folks from a net. Being a part of Ten-Ten international we have had to ask our net controllers to be courteous about taking the frequency just because of our net times. Going back to band shifts this is a consideration that I have heard and experienced someone on a frequency that you do not hear when asking if the frequency is clear/in use then the band shifts, who should move (this is also an issue during nets with band conditions up and down)? Bottom line let's all try and be a little more courteous and friendly. There is always a solution if your willing. Thank you Jason, I love your content.

@HamRadio2 Месяц назад

Thanks for watching

@fredjordway5211 Месяц назад

FCC part 97 regulations. In response to the argument concerning net frequencies, here is what the regs says. § 97.101(b) General standards. (b) Each station licensee and each control operator must cooperate in selecting transmitting channels and in making the most effective use of the amateur service frequencies. No frequency will be assigned for the exclusive use of any station.

@jonathanhernandez4304 Месяц назад

I've been out of Amateur Radio for some time and allowed my license to lapse. I'm going to retest and reestablish a new license this year. It's very very unfortunate that there is such a lack of respect and knowledge of Amateur Radio regulations. But this is a reflection of our culture (or lack there of) and poor education going on in our institutions. Just look at colleges that graduate young adults that are incapable of arguing a point or even hearing a different understanding or perspective. However, Amateur Radio has had a proud past of professionalism and the ability to self govern and monitor itself. My dad (N4TEC) used to be a V.E and ARES and during those years from 1970 to 2000 the airwaves were pretty respectful and informed. I'm confident that this period will pass and professionalism will be the norm again. Hopefully just a phase we're going through like other stupid social constructs small groups are trying to push. All that will fade away in time.

@StealthGTI Месяц назад

I had a gentleman ask me to move off a frequency during a POTA activation. I had been there for a bit, had plenty of QSOs, and the hunters were beginning to thin. His net was about to start and he was nice about it. I told him that I was happy to move and wished him well. I could hear them commenting afterwards about how surprised they were to have a POTA station vacate in such a polite fashion. Are POTA activators usually rude? I don't know. I was happy to move; but, if I'm honest, their net was quite a bore and had just a few operators. 😋 On another activation, I had set up camp on 14.305 and stirred a nest. They said that I splattering the "Emergency Maritime Net," which I found hard to believe. One of my hunters reported that my signal was fine; so, I kept operating there for about 30 minutes, or until I had 15 contacts, whichever was shorter.

@Philip-KA4KOE Месяц назад

I still think we should have a "light up" 17 meters weekend.

@WaynePatrick Месяц назад

I agree. 17 is my favorite band. It was my first band I went to when I upgraded to general. I haven’t done POTA as an activator yet but have been getting gear ready to start. The idea of a 17 weekend event for POTA would be something I’d definitely do. De KK4LBJ

@johnwilliams-hz6vb Месяц назад

VERY TRUE

@kevingaukel4950 Месяц назад

BTW - I am a regular of Vienna Wireless Society Digital Net on 7073 (7071.5 kHz + 1.5 kHz audio USB). Our net is mobile enough to move if someone is on our frequency when our net starts.

@stevnsc Месяц назад

AMEN!

@eliezercalvo3598 Месяц назад

Agreed 100%. N4EC

@KG6NLWMotoRadio Месяц назад

This is ONE reason why all the nets I hold or participate in have a "general rule" of "well we usually meet here BUT are up/down up to 6khz due to traffic"!!

@jackiecook753 Месяц назад

You are 100% correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@user-pf3ye6yi9n Месяц назад

Any sensible net will advertise as +/- activity and being able to find the actual QRG is part of the self training we are supposed to be doing. One of the problems with that MM net is that some of the participants are not hams, they are told using it is a cheap alternative to marine MF.

@Mike-yq7ce Месяц назад

I do see alot of that problem with certain formal and informal nets. Ive not experienced POTA operators intentionally starting up on top of an ongoing net or QSO. If I'm asked politely I will QSY to clear for an upcoming net.

@TridentMissileTech Месяц назад

So what would ARRL do if someone jumped on the 7.047.500 frequency before one of their code practice sessions? Do they have contingency plans?

@HamRadio2 22 дня назад

Good question

@oz457 Месяц назад

Hi, This is what happened a few weeks ago to me... I went on a frequency (frequency disclosed). Asked 3 times, if frequency is in use. Nobody answered. I had very strong propagation from the first hop. 20 over 9 all the time from stations from Eastern Europe, middle east and northern Europe. Then a few stations from southern europe too. I had a great time, no questions asked. Then, after I finished and opened my email, I got an angry email telling me that I 'm a very bad operator, because I was on a frequency that was used by a daily net. He insulted me of all kinds of things. If there is one thing i do as a operator is move frequency if necessary. But OMG, I didn't hear anyone who are a few hops further down the lane that told me there was a net going on. Crazy stuff. I responded the email back I cannot blame myself ANYTHING, because I didn't have anybody I heard that told me there was a net going on. What's the deal to move the net a few kHz up and down. Do these people know what a VFO is used for. Nobody told me the 40 minutes I was on the frequency there was a net going on, at least not in my RX capabilities. Propagation can change, you might have more than 1 hop, etc. Anyway, I just wanted to share my experience. I think some people have no dignity and just are extremely aggressive due to bad education.

@kenherren7547 Месяц назад

WQ9V I was doing POTA @ US-10274 (I was on 14.2??) on early morning, and I mean early (Before sun rise) to shoot the gray line. There is a ham whose call ended with (EE) I don't Rember the rest of his call. Ant way he will beam with four!!!! 4! quad beams 1500K Watts. (I only have a 213-inch whip and 100 watts) and call to wherever he feels like. I was 5kc higher than him and he was bleeding all over me even the hunters couldn't hear me. so, I went to his frequency and asked if he could move 3kc lower and I said please. Well, I got read the riot act and was told that was his frequency he ALWAYES use and that was too bad. I just moved because the gray line doesn't last long. FYI I didn't have internet to spot myself either. So, I had to wait for a hunter to respot my frequency. Any wany way He is a verry rude ham. I in the past would check in with his net but not any more. I now will check in with the activity group. FYI they will move if they are QRM on another operator. WQ9V

@HamRadio2 Месяц назад

I'd record him on video and then put it on this channel to show the world how NOT to act.

@matthewcarroll3193 Месяц назад

@@HamRadio2 and send a copy to the FCC

@joekrepps Месяц назад

One thing to keep in mind is that, depending on where the “skip” lands, it’s entirely possible for one station to not hear another if the signal is skipping over their antenna. You might be in a position where you hear both. I was waiting for a DX station’s signal to improve to where I could work it. (I was mobile, on the road for 2-3 hours.) In the meantime, a U.S. station came on, asked if the frequency was in use, did not get a reply (the DX signal wasn’t getting stronger for me so I didn’t chime in) so he began calling CQ. After a while, the two stations were able to hear each other and both got mad, claiming each had been on that frequency for some time.

@bart99gt Месяц назад

I believe the rules are pretty clear. First come, first served. If the frequency is in use, the net can move. I don't object to an operator of a large net *politely* asking someone if they'll move to another frequency for a ragchew, but I've heard others come on to POTA activations, etc., and effectively nag the activator with multiple "hey, our net begins in 20, 15, 10, 5 minute" cut ins that are really annoying. Worst of all are people who have their informal ragchew "net" that just start transmitting over people. There was a guy in Spain calling CQ (actually worked him twice now) and a bunch of obnoxious idiots kept talking over him, knowing that there's a good possibility that he couldn't hear any of them. But it was time for their "net" to start. Which was nothing more than them talking about sports and politics.

@Tommy_Boy. Месяц назад

Boaty McBoatface! 🤣🤘⚡👍Love it! Very good video Jason! Tom - WA7FLY

@kengarrett9956 Месяц назад

I'll tell you what jams. You're videos jam. Keep up the good work. 73s. 😁 That said, Hearing about stories like this makes me wonder if I want to even try being on HF. I know many HF operators who are fine people and if "asked" would give up or move to another frequency. But on the repeaters I use it seems being polite is a given and there are no problems. If I decide to try HF I would start on 10 meter and work my way in. But the first time someone got uppity with me I would be done.

@HamRadio2 Месяц назад

Thanks

@SamPosten Месяц назад

Begun the net wars have!

@JamesHannibalKH2SR Месяц назад

I 100% agree with you Jason, they don't own the frequency and they don't have priority just because it's a net. Personally I think the only way we are going to reclaim our frequencies is to start deliberately going onto these net frequencies when they are not actively in use, asking a few times if the frequency is in use, and then calling CQ POTA. Just keep it polite/informative/legal and start educating these nets that they don't own these frequencies. 73!

@spaceflight1019 Месяц назад

Go ahead, be the next KV4FZ.

@butterbean4195 Месяц назад

poopoo people have tried that for alooooong time trust me the nets will be here long after your gone just move freq`s use common curtesy.. this is just signs of the ignorant times where in..

@m.toddmiskel2389 Месяц назад

Kinda selfish and rude. Try moving (or even calling) a large established net sometime. It's difficult to move one and get everybody together. I advise nets to start early ragchews to secure the frequency for net time.

@JamesHannibalKH2SR Месяц назад

Nah, I’ll just be me. If the frequency isn’t in use then it’s up for grabs for anyone. If I’m politely asked to movie frequencies I’m happy to finish up and move shortly thereafter. But if people are rude nothing is owed to them. Fair is fair.

@JamesHannibalKH2SR Месяц назад

@@m.toddmiskel2389 if it’s so easy for someone doing POTA to move frequencies then why is it so difficult for a net to shift a little. Do hams on nets forget how to properly operate a VFO? If this behavior by nets continue then as the quantity of nets increases there will eventually be no more frequencies available to anyone other then nets. If nets have their way the future of ham radio will be channelized net frequencies & no room for anyone else. They don’t own the frequency, they have no priority to the frequency, we all have equal rights to our bands and we should all treat each other with respect on the air and follow the law. Period. End of story. 73!

@royurick Месяц назад

This maritime net might be an exception to the rule. Just like the hurricane nets you referenced, its possible that the maritime net qualifies as priority because it is used for offshore boats to check in and communicate possible emergency issues. Im no expert but the regs he sent (that I cant find now) seemed to support that specific net's priority due to its nature. Though with today's technology, Im not sure why anyone wouldnt invest in more reliable tech like satcoms for mission critical comms. I'll try to find the link he sent. I'm not sure which PC I followed the link on. (its not this one, I know that since I cant find it in my history)

@HamRadio2 Месяц назад

No, they don't have priority over the frequency, no matter how important or useful their Net is. They could easily make all the same contacts on another frequency

@royurick Месяц назад

@@HamRadio2 but if you are out at sea with only HF to communicate, how do you find out what the new frequency is for the net? I’ll have to find that fcc document that appeared to allow that specific knit. The justification hinged on the specific frequency range. Not nets in general.

@HamRadio2 Месяц назад

@@royurick You spin the dial like any other radio operator would do. Yes, find that document and email it to me, I am curious to see what you are referring to. This Net isn't an emergency Net - it can act that way at times, but it isn't a full-time emergency Net - those don't exist. Hurricane Nets and the like are temporary Nets that only pop up when needed. The MMN happens every day, no matter what else is happening in the world.

@user-pf3ye6yi9n Месяц назад

@@royurick If you are out at sea and are that concerned that you can call for help if anything goes wrong you should have taken the appropriate tests and installed the appropriate marine SSB gear before you set out. These people are just using ham radios on the cheap (which are not generally designed for the conditions you get in a small boat and probably won't work in a genuine emergency). If you really are in trouble out there you want to talk to an MRCC or equivalent not some random whacker, on an international marine distress frequency, not some random spot in a busy ham band.

@TBGaels32 Месяц назад

I know with the FedEx pilot you know, depending on where he flies, he’s required to have a HF radio on board the aircraft for ETOPS operations. Not sure how he’s operating using the HF Frequency with other hams.

@scottboomshakalaka9593 Месяц назад

I heard the FedEx guy too!!!!

@jamesbeemer7855 Месяц назад

Um , I like repairing my own radios . But I’ve never heard of a frequency for repairs only . Can you tell if there was a specific frequency for that porpose ? I work the CB band .

@HamRadio2 Месяц назад

I've never heard of that

@jamesbeemer7855 Месяц назад

@@HamRadio2 yah , neither have I . But repair men like myself , us what is called a dummy load . Which is essentially a short circuit for testing . And you know that is no good for the out put transistor !

@hogluvr1 Месяц назад

Wish I could "Thumbs up" this vid more than once.

@kevingaukel4950 Месяц назад

I didn't have nearly as bad an experience, but I accidentally called CQ POTA on the CW Bulletin Frequency of W1AW - ARRL (14.048 MHz). Unlike this MMN, the W1AW called me as if he was part of the pileup, but he (she?) asked me to QSY. I rather sheepishly leave. It was an honest mistake, and it wasn't hard for me to get off and moved later to 14.052 MHz. Note - the frequency was clear (I checked) when I called CQ.

@matthewcarroll3193 Месяц назад

when was the last time 14.300 received emergency traffic or otherwise from a maritime station?

@HamRadio2 Месяц назад

I've never heard it. I know it's happened, of course, but I don't think it's common

@matthewcarroll3193 Месяц назад

@@HamRadio2 I had a discussion with a member, and the last time he remembers is from the 90s haha. That is their casus belli for those upstart peons who think they can use just ANY freq. I like to mention that a frequency in use constantly is going to be where the person in distress is most likely going to be heard. "break break break, I am in an emergency, break break break" that should shut everyone up in a hurry I would think.

@ralphnunn3 Месяц назад

Gotta love being kicked off a frequency by a net. Yes, it's happened to me, too. I was doing SKCC Straight-key month, held every January. I was one of the Special Events stations for the event. I was going along, working stations, and occasionally calling CQ, and someone comes along, and starts calling his net on my frequency. It's tough to argue with someone on CW... But yes, it even happens there. But, I just moved, re-spotted myself, and went on with my night. Nothing else you can really do in that situation. I also agree that nets don't take precidence over anyone. BUT, if there were any net that might take precidence, it would be the MMN. I have personally heard them helping boaters out on the ocean. So, I know that I certainly would stay off that frequency. That is, of course, unless I was trying to check in...

@HamRadio2 Месяц назад

Every time I hear the MMN, they just asking for check-ins

@ralphnunn3 Месяц назад

@@HamRadio2 Yeah, I certainly can't argue with that. That's mostly what I hear, too. Maybe I just got lucky that one time I heard NCS trying to help someone out on the ocean.

@padreandrew2822 Месяц назад

Let's not forget how many times W1AW stepped on top of an existing QSO with a 'broadcast' without checking to see if the frequency was in use.

@HamRadio2 Месяц назад

I've never heard them do that - but if they have, then I don't agree with that either. They don't have more rights than anyone else does, either.

@xszl Месяц назад

Yesss. If I could only give 10 likes.

@pale_2111 Месяц назад

Some people don't practice good radio etiquette these days. It doesn't matter if it's a net, qso, pota or whatever. Some people don't check the pass bands to see if there's anyone there, don't have their amplifier set up correctly and the list goes on. Honestly, I think there should be more emphasis on radio etiquette in testing. Even go as far as doing a demonstration to show what one has learned. Just my 2 cents.

@jameshouser1897 Месяц назад

I agree, although how we treat each other and etiquette seem to be an issue everywhere not just in amateur radio unfortunately.

@pale_2111 Месяц назад

True. I could go into more detail about life in general, but I'm going to try to get it radio related, lol!!! While I do realize people make mistakes, some people just need to something to them what there parents should've done a long time ago. Unfortunately, that something is frowned upon these days. On the other hand, some people are into that kind of stuff.

@joelaut12 Месяц назад

If you are using an unoccupied frequency it is the protocol to allow that user to use it, unless there is an emergency.

@Cruiseomatic380 Месяц назад

Id love to hear his thoughts on some of the "concrete brain" a lot of GMRS guys demonstrate to have.

@markmontgomery9722 Месяц назад

100%

@ohenekojo2561 Месяц назад

A net does not take priority over anything. Absolutely hate HF nets in general really.

@gliderrider Месяц назад

A badly needed video. Thanks! De n5vwn

@HamRadio2 Месяц назад

You bet!

@craigdavidson2977 Месяц назад

Give 'em hell, Jason!

@3oldtechdudes 13 дней назад

I watched this video out of respect for the thumbnail alone!

@HamRadio2 13 дней назад

Lol

@TheWolfReport Месяц назад

"Boaty McBoatface"!!! You gotta keep that one in your pocket!!!

@BVN-TEXAS Месяц назад

The 75 meter nets that never end 😂😂

@TheHeff76 Месяц назад

Well said, I have dealt with this and just kept going. ROFL

@buddyadelsberger5083 Месяц назад

lots of truth

@AmishSpecialForces Месяц назад

I ran into the same thing a couple years ago with the California Hawaii net. I just fixed my TS-830 and was listening at 14.300 for at least ten minutes then called “Is this frequency in use” at least 4 times. The last time I got some gruff individual saying that the California Hawaii net was in progress and I need to vacate the frequency. I didn’t hear anything but like the other stories this guy came over 20S9 out of the blue. Completely turned me off to nets. And don’t get me started on the YL Systems net, I never hear any YL’s, just old men.

@spaceflight1019 Месяц назад

One correction: the radio piracy act was a result of heavy lobbying by BMI/ASCAP, two organizations devoted to making sure that musicians, composers, and songwriters receive their royalties. Anywhere that recorded music is played publicly requires a license to do so. Radio stations pay for their licenses. Pirate radio stations, as a general rule, do not, and when they are tracked down not only are their owners in trouble with the FCC for operating an unlicensed station (usually FM) but they will be sued by ASCAP for royalties and penalties. A word to the wise: you don't have enough money to fight ASCAP.

@lonekyeagle Месяц назад

This has been discussed in QRZ Forums. NOBODY owns a frequency. A question in the General Class pool is what should a good operator do and the answer is to have a backup frequency. Hmmm... I wonder why? LOL!

@kc8tyk86 Месяц назад

People hate pota and contesting because of the bad operators. They try to squeeze in 1.5 away sometimes they go 2. If either listens for a second before keying up that would that would be a miracle in itself. But it's a reddit post, there is so much bs stories over on it who knows what to believe. Either way that's my take on it.