HGV | LGV Licence changes - Car to Class 1 training? 🚛 

Of course with a professional training school yes it is possible to pass this course from B to C+E, but as we say in the video this does not guarantee you any work as a lot of companies will not take anyone on with such limited experience. In the same way if you pass your private pilots license you will not then go and work straight away flying 747's for BA, or having just completed your day skipper course going onto cruise an 180,000 ton oil tanker. I know the analogies seem strange but these are true and anyone who has taught or instructed at a high educational level will clearly understand this. We're not saying it's impossible we just want people to understand the risks involved and road safety is paramount there is a reason it was not possible to go from B to C+E for many years and just because there is a shortage of drivers does not mean it is safe to do so. We want people to understand the challenges involved in passing this and then going on to gain employment which is exactly the reason assessments are done.

@@NationalDrivingCentreIf someone was to go straight for the cat c+e licence, could they then get the experience driving in the cat c to appeal more to cat c+e employers?

@@C.Jones1 absolutely, and this is very much the norm at the moment. 👍👍👍

I’m kinda old skool sorry to say, I came into the industry just over 20 years ago, started off in a van, already had my 7.5 ton entitlement, cos I passed a few years before the law changed, 6 months later went onto 7.5, did that for years, then out of my own money went for Hgv 2, passed 2nd time, did that for a few years, then paid for my Hgv 1, passed 1st time, including the reverse manoeuvre, 13 years ago, the way they’ve changed the test these days I think is a joke, apparently you don’t even have to do the reverse test, ridiculous……, oh and these days I’m a driving assessor for the company I work at, so to go from a car straight to an Hgv 1, nah, just goes to show how desperate the government has got, and covid proved that, as well as brexit……

@@Sacrifice-Paid You still have to do a reverse test but it can be done seperatly to the main driving test its optional. I did 2 years on buses Cat D and then went straight to the Artic test rather than mess about with class 2 first as I had the option to straight for HGV 1, going forwards driving a bus and an artic is shockingly similiar in the style you manourve them. Class 2 and class 1 as you will know are completely different to manourve. Because Buses have the steering wheels behind you it forces you to steer later the same as you do in artic to pull the trailer, my instructor did remarkably little instructing and only had to properly teach me when it came to the reversing aspect. I think even if you go straight to class 1 you should be made to do a couple days in a class 2 so you know how to drive both. Of course this is all my expereince and opinion.

Very true - hopefully the driving assessment will help people make wise decisions for themselves with all the information 😀

is it hard to drive a lorry? ive never even driven a van.

@@kenwkls6392 it takes some getting used to coming from driving a car the main thing being the turning circle and having you watch your back end swinging on corners to make sure you don't wipe someone out lol

I think this is a fantastic video. Honest, frank information which provides a reality check before big financial decisions are made. I am very impressed with NDC for making it. To me it speaks volumes about the organisation. Thank you.

​@@kenwkls6392its not that hard driving a double deck bus is much harder

Excatly this pal! They wont admit it tho, i mean not a bad business almost charging somebody nearly 2k for class 2 only to go again through the whole process and charge another 1.5k for class 1.

Are you insinuating the CPC Paul 😉

This is true JP - driving manual back in the day was far harder than today's autos!

How is this any different from when I passed my Class 1 in 1984 ? I was 21 and only had a car licence ! You pass your test and then you have to learn how to drive an artic in the real world.

@@gavinsmith8330 it's no different, the government have been forced to go back to the way it was. I used to drive a 7.5 tonner, then they introduced all the cpc garbage

Thank you so much for sharing your experiences it really does help to shine a light on how it works and help potentially challenging It could be. 👍👍👍

Exactly the same here. 30 yrars in Bus & coach and took the leap to the dark side in 2020, No issues with he rigid - clean sheet on my test [ humble brag] But, the reverse! Class 1 reveers !! I lost so much sleep the night before my test due to anxiety I was exhausted. Well, I got through it and went through with 2 minors on the road - both of which I debriefed myself and 100% due to fatigue. 1 did a year on class 2, ( hard work) and now have done 4 months on Class 1 , fridges, night trunking. The reverse element of the test is, without doubt, the trickiest element of the test/ job but does it prepare you for the "real world"? I am into RDCs , set lines and all that. I still have good and bad day. I have now grasped is how to sort myself out when I when I get in a bit of a pickle!, to ignore judgement and even ask for help.

I’m going from car to class 1. Been out driving the artics for a 5 hours now.

Thank you so much for your comment.👍

Thank you so much for your comment.👍

Thank you so much👍

Thanks for the feedback Steve - very best of luck at Hermes 😀

I agree Steve class 2 first and 6 month after class 1 I feel that's a safer option

Train up the Class 2 s. Commercial experience has got to be a bonus before heading onto Class 1.

Lovely of you to wish the rest good luck. Same to you!

Mate, trust me, I jump from car to rigid truck 26-tonnes, that was fucking challenge. I can not imagine that from car to class1.

Thank you so much for your comment.

Depends on your experience just because you only have a car licence doesn't mean you never driven a HGV what if you grew up on a farm driving tractors etc or drove artics in a yard for years previously, In these circumstances you already have the experience the training then is basically the same for an artic or rigid obviously there will be a difference between an artic and an artic on the road but the main principles of the training will be the same teaching you difference between the rules of a car and HGV checking mirrors etc does seem strange the training companies are reluctant to offer this especially if they offer a free assessment first within 1 hour I am sure these trainers can assess if you are more suited to going for a rigid licence first as in chuck them in an artic with their yard ask them to un couple have a lap round the yard and then re couple up the trailer then go for a reversing maneuver this could be done safely in a yard with a trainer monitoring at all times if a mistake is it can be corrected so there is no danger and if they look like they haven't got a clue they can suggest the class 2 first, if they can do all of this confidently with little guidance then I don't see why they need to go for the class 2 first and if the trainer is happy then you could have a full c+e pass within a week imagine how good that would look for the training company if you pass 90% plus of drivers going for the c+e using their assessment method?

You are very welcome Benc! Best of luck on the Class 1

if you think thats bad i remember a time you could take a HGV test without a full car licence

Thank you so much for your comment.

Thank you so much for your comment and we will be looking forward to hearing from you. 👍👍👍👍

Some excellent advice. Never a true word spoken. Thank you so much for your comment and kind words.

@@NationalDrivingCentre are you located in Birmingham?

@@mubashirafridi8085 No, we are based in Croydon, South London.

@@NationalDrivingCentre Do you recommend any training center in Birmingham that you know is delivering quality training and even do the assessment and suggest which category one should do based on how they drive?

@@mubashirafridi8085 So sorry Mubashir, we dont know anyone in that area. but travel and hotels are priced well round here. 🤣🤣

Thank you so much Orlando, Hope all is going well.👍👍👍

Yes all is going well I passed my CPC module 4 this morning. with the help of Paul and Andy cpc video 🔥🔥

Hope that goes well.🤣🤣🤣

Are you flying fridge? 😆 😂🤣🤣

Best comment ever written lol my son just fell over and cut his right arm so i applied an elastoplast next week im training to be a brain surgeon.

@@leonpaul9443 😱🤭

@@leonpaul9443 😂

We haven't heard any other companies do it so it is a big risk for us as a business but 🤞 trainees understand why were doing it this way.

@@NationalDrivingCentre personally just about to go for HGV and i my eyes its a big jump from car lol i drive an XL van for a living. good call hope it pays off for you and the trainees

Redwing, wherever you are in the UK, go and have a driving assessment first and see what you think. That will help your decision making!

@@NationalDrivingCentre is London your only centre? Its a long commute for me but would definitely be worth it

Thank you so much for your comment.

Great job. Yes the bus training will be invaluable, best of luck. 👍👍👍

Some great points thank you so much for your comment.👍👍👍

Morning! For the Skills Bootcamps (government funding) only 5000 courses isn't a lot for the demand so we recommend not pinning your hopes on it. Only you can answer the training question 😎

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Great work well done.👍👍👍

That's a very good point and yes the Training is a key feature that's why making sure your instructors are fully qualified before you make the decision on where are you going to be trained is critical. However with the experience I have been doing this for over 20 years, it does come down to the student you could have the best student in the world that responds to all the training but on test day they can fall apart this could be down to nerves or just making a stupid error. Thank you so much for your comment.👍👍👍👍

Thank you so much William.

U could try gtg in newbridge m8 if not already.

@@billyd9205 Thanks man, will do!

is it hard to drive a lorry?

@@kenwkls6392 Not really.. Imagine driving your car riding a bike... Becomes natural.. Not all are good drivers though. Getting the licence doesn't mean you're king of the road.

Thank you so much for your comment.

Thank you so much Adam, looking forward to meeting you.👍👍

Yes that's correct you would automatically get your category C once you have achieved your C plus E.👍

@@NationalDrivingCentre thought so. Just had a bit of a brain fart there for a second 😁

I did the same and went straight in for class 1 but I did have 8 hours training in class 2, I actually found class 1 easier and more comfortable to drive, just because 1 person can't do it doesn't mean we all can't 🤦🏻‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤣 literally passed class 1 today with 1 minor fault so I'm happy with that, trucks and cars are much easier and safer to drive these days, if you speak to any of the older generation of drivers they all went straight to class 1 and drove some proper shit back in the day and they all agree and say if you can drive it you can drive it so don't see what the issue is, its normally people who've passed a class 2 and can't drive a class 1 that have a problem with people going straight to class 1 🤷‍♂️

Class 1 much easier to drive.

If you don't mind me asking what training company did you use as I am very interested in going straight for my class 1 as I have been shunting for many years now I both artic and rigids so I do t see the point in taking my class 2 first it takes up too much of my spare time and would be cheaper £3500 to do both over 10 days just doesn't seem worth it if it was closer to £2000 and can be done in 5-6 days that would be much more suitable, I'm not even looking at driving straight away already have a good job with decent hours so I'm just looking at getting my licence as a back up and to keep my options open for the future I work permanent night shift and have young children but in a few years time when they are older I may want to move in less stressful job as I manage a warehouse and have a lot of pressure all the time would be nice just to be able to have the option to do something different that I already have the experience with, like one of these guys said I'd probably drive rigids on the road for a bit before I go full on artic on the road but just like to keep my options open, seems like there are a lot of opportunities out there at the moment if you have a class 1 with some experience but I cannot justify paying basically double when I can already drive an artic with many years of experience under my belt!

A very good point hopefully with the government funding and a lot more companies doing apprenticeship schemes this will help. Thank you so much for your comment 👍👍

Thank you so much for your input and comments it really means a lot. Thank you 👍👍👍

Thank you Kaleem👍👍👍👍

Thank you so much Abbs. 👍👍👍👍

Great work well done👍👍👍

It might get very busy again in the post room...

It's changed a lot out there since 1997 Wayne 🙈

You will be ok. Trust your instructor. Best of luck🤞🤞👍👍👍👍👍👍

Thank you for your comment 👍👍

Great work. Hope all goes well. 👍👍👍👍👍

Hows the training going pal

@@muzzer8869 Spot on thank you. So busy. We are currently in the process of taking the Module 4 CPC in house, this should help free up some more Module 3 driving test.👍👍

That was exactly my thought. Now every training company will be doing the same. Training 8, 9 or 10 days just to not loose any penny. To be honest all companies training how to pass the test with DVSA, they can’t teach you driving over 5 or even 10 days.

@@lucasbryszewski5056 I'd be reporting them to the DVSA for promoting unnecessary training and costs.

Spot on Lucas. We can't teach you to be a complete driver in 5-10 days. Everyone needs experience to get better 😀

Other companies are charging around £2800 for a 8/9 course with one C+E test at the end. We are only charging £450.00 more for more training and an extra test as an insurance policy so you hopefully leave with something from the experience. Considering a retest for most companies is £300+, we think were offering good value to people.

@@NationalDrivingCentre but as you have already pointed out, the reverse is one of the hardest parts of the C+E test yet it has now been separated. As such, candidates can have as many stabs as they need to pass the new part 3a before then taking the part 3b test which will clearly result in far less failures with the examiner when taking the On Road part of the test.

Thank you so much, No problem, looking forward to your call.👍👍👍 ask to speak to me Paul.😬

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Glad you enjoyed it Menreat!

That's right Michael. You'll have to resend after 15th November requesting the C+E to get it on there 👍

Excellent work well done, looking forward to seeing you out on the road. 👍👍👍

Do an assessment James as with the large vehicle experience you have, you may find easier than most!

you dont c than.. that makes no sense

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Did you have to do training and a test though? 🤷‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ just because your shit at driving and think you couldn't do it doesn't mean we all can't!

Thank you so much for your comment.

Thank you so much 👍

You are more than welcome. Thank you.👍👍👍

Of course if you fail the test in the C+E then you would only retake what you fail, i.e. if it's just a small mistake then a little bit of training would be required to bring that standard up.

What NDC was trying to say is that under the great new rules of split testing since 29 November 2021 (definitely a big plus for you), if you fail the new part 3a test covering the reverse ect, then you only have to retake the new part 3a test. If you fail the new part 3b test with the examiner, then you only have to retake the new part 3b test. So you no longer even need to retake the full C+E test if you fail, you just retake the part of the test which you failed, either the new part 3a or the new part 3b.

Ahh the good old days.👍👍👍👍

Thank you so much for your comment.👍

Great work, Best of luck for the tests 🤞👍👍👍👍

A good point. thank you.👍

Thank you so much for your comment.

Hope that answered your question Jim

All our instructors have the national register for instructors (NRI) through RTITB. And we also put our instructors through a AET level 3 teaching qualifications. Putting you through ADI can help in some places but but I would advise the above courses to really help.

Thank you so much for your comment.

So no not really, As you said the C+E does not handle the same as a bus. A bus/ Coach normally has a MAM of around 12000kg where as a C+E could be up to 44000kg this would have a massive factor on the vehicle handling. Obviously reversing is a large part of driving a C+E, because of the delivery factor and most London bus companies will not allow the drivers to revers there busses. Thants great that you approve it, i wish you the best of luck instructing this.👍

Thanks Norbert! Spaceship training course next for you 🚀

@@NationalDrivingCentre let me know when do you start doing it 🚀 lol

We would need to carry out a ffree assessment to have a look at your ability.

Mate, the government has changed the law allowing you to now go direct to C+E if you want. The free assessment should decide nothing more than how many hours of training you will likely need in order to be up to C+E test standard. If you want to go direct to C+E, steer well clear of any training company who tries to suggest after your assessment that you're only good enough for category C rigid training and test. A training company doesn't have any right to be making such statements which would amount to nothing less than unlawful consumer mis-selling. The response to your question which you should have received from NDC was....Yes, you can now go straight to C+E. We would need to carry out a free assessment to have a look at your ability in order to work out how many hours of training you will likely need if you want to go straight to C+E.

You are more than welcome👍👍

Some great points Matty. Thank you.

Afternoon! 😀 For us it's £1700.00 for full Cat C course including CPC. You could do that first and then move onto the C+E when you felt ready for £1615.00. All inc VAT. It's up to you and when you feel comfortable doing courses at the right time.

Thank you so much for your comment.

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The guy on the left of this Ant & Dec wannabee Video said that he doesn't actually do C+E training so maybe they're desperately trying to prop up his work levels on category C training.

Thank you so much for your comment.

Yes, If you pass in C+E then you will also get your Cat C.

It's safer.. But class 2 sucks.. 10-14 deliveries on average.. Sometimes loading, unloading.. Really sucks.

Good luck with the theory tests 🤞😀

@@johnman8554 I worked at amazon doing delivery one Christmas it was 12+ hour days and 140-160 drops lol

@@NationalDrivingCentre thank you I did a mock test last night and got a pass at 99% so only one wrong answer

@@NationalDrivingCentre passed theory 96 out of 100 and passed the hazzard perception

Some very good points, yes it's not easy it takes a lot of hard work and to pass in the C+E having little experience in a category C can be very challenging. Hopefully the public can now see why these changes might not necessarily be the best way to ease the HGV shortage. Thank you so much for your input Best of luck.👍👍👍👍

@@NationalDrivingCentre It benefits me more than anyone but I can honestly say unless it's something you have dreamed about doing it's going to be harder than you think also you need to make sure you get the right driving school the school I am with are old school obsessed with safety and its even made me a safer driver in my car but other schools are just about the money 1 school put a lad in for test after 16 hours obviously he failed but they don't care they still get paid it's a mine field and the shortage I don't even think was that bad but definitely isn't there now there's going to be a bubble for sure I'm frustrated as it's going to be difficult for me to get into a job as a green c+e driver after spending 2.5k I feel my money would of been better off spent elsewhere but I'm invested now so I won't quit

No problem. Thank you 👍

Why do you need to take a category C test before a C+E test in order get experience driving a rigid? You can still drive cat C after first passing a C+E test and save yourself a load of money.

A great point Steve. well said👍👍👍

@@xj358 that is absolutely true! Why meed a C when you have the option to do CE I shunt a lot on yards with a Terberg and I only have my C1 Licence it's not hard driving a trailer and reversing at all. I guess everyone is different.

@@comradebismarck These guys are putting out false information in their numerous responses on here regarding the new changes and it should be flagged up to the DVSA to investigate. Under the new rules, it is not a '' Potential'' possibility of going direct to Class 1 if you pass their assessment and if you don't, having to stick with rigid training. From 15 November 2021, you can now go direct to Class 1 training and the assessment should decide nothing more than how much training you are going to need to hopefully pass the C+E tests . It should not involve being advised that you haven't met the minimum assessment standard for C+E and as such, you will have to first undertake category C rigid training.

What's your problem NDC with rightful and accurate comment which addresses some of your completely false statements made within this video which are certainly not in accordance with the new DVSA rules. New drivers will have no problem going direct to a Class 1 exactly as the government are now allowing you to do and exactly as we all did 25 years ago when you also had to demonstrate your ability to operate a manual truck gearbox. You will also now be able to fail and then retake the reverse exercise without failing the whole test as has previously been the case, so there is certainly no longer going to be just one difficult test you are working towards on day 8 or 9 (These guys should set the record straight on that false claim). The reality is that it's now going to be significantly easier from 15 November 2021 simply for the fact that the test is being split up in to 2 separate parts for which you have up to 6 months to complete the part 3b training and testing after passing the part 3a test. If you are now going to have to first pass the reverse exercise (part 3a) before being able to progress to the On Road test (part 3b) with the examiner, then there is little point in doing any other training than first completing and passing the part 3a reverse exercise test. Once you've got that part 3a pass certificate in your pocket, you and the training school should then forget about it and move on to the part 3b training and test which again, you have up to 6 months to come back and complete or maybe even go to a different training school for the part 3b training. As such, training schools must now completely separate the part 3a reverse training (and cost) from the part 3b On Road training (and cost) in exactly the same way as category C training was previously undertaken and passed (and paid for) before turning to category C+E training and testing (and a separate payment) at a later date. Again, there is going to be no requirement to complete the new parts 3a & 3b training with the same training school so they therefore have to separate the training and cost as well as separate assessments for the 3a & 3b. You therefore shouldn't have to pay for anything more than part 3a training and test at the outset. Once you've passed that, you can then consider your part 3b training and cost, whether it is straight away or several months later, or even choosing to not continue any further.

A very good point David. 👍👍👍👍

@@NationalDrivingCentre Thank you. Ive been following you since Lockdown last year. I don't know any other training provider that has done such detailed and indepth videos as you have so you should be proud of yourselves. Im just gutted I'm in East Cheshire otherwise I would come to you.

Unfortunately we could not tell you where your card is as we are a training company. If you have any queries please contact DVLA but obviously with the postal strikes it may be sometime. 👍

Hi Shane, we sure do. If you get the provisional entitlement on your licence then you can come on down for a free driving assessment 😀 www.nationaldrivingcentre.co.uk/request-d2-and-d4-forms/

Yes you can absolutely do it that way what we mention briefly in the video is it some people don't have the funds for the time period to go from category B to C+E. doing it the way you suggested is the way we've been doing it since 97 and of course it's the best way.👍👍👍👍 thank you so much for your comment.

It always takes a bit of time to get back in the swing of things.👍

Thank you so much for your comment Mr Green hope all goes well best of luck for your test. 🤞🤞🤞🤞👍👍👍👍

No

Unfortunately that's not quite correct you would need to currently hold a category B license to be eligible to apply for the C plus E provisional. 👍👍👍

Thank you so much. A very good point 👍

So the best thing to do is have a look on the back of the driving license as long as I've got a category B, this will entitle them to drive a vehicle, not exceeding 3.5 tons, maximum authorised mass. I'm so sorry, I'm not too the Weight of a horse 🤔. Once you start going over this weight, then we often teach a 7.5ton vehicle which is also known as a C1. I hope this helps, and if you've got any questions, please don't hesitate to give us a call. I've put a link down below to the government website which should hopefully confirm these points. Kind Regards Paul 👍👍👍 www.gov.uk/driving-licence-categories

Good question, I sent in application 2 weeks ago for c+e straight from a car license as I thought the changes had already happened...looks like it won't get processed for at least a month so not sure what gonna happen to me either. I do believe the medical is valid for 4 months though

No medical needed. Just resend the licence off with another D2 and a cover note explaining you'd like the C+E. The forms don't have the C+E option yet so write them a nice love note asking politely for it to be added. Send after 15th November! Good luck

5 months on the medical. See what comes back. Worst case scenario, you'll have to send back. But they are getting quicker updating applications 😀

@@NationalDrivingCentre thanks for video, wish I'd just gone for class c now. :)

They could just update their computers, the medical is valid for 12 months. This new application is completely pointless, they change nothing on the actual licence!

Thank you so much for your comment.👍

Very true.

www.nationaldrivingcentre.co.uk/category-b-car-to-ce-class-1-lorry/

Some great points, thank you for your comments.👍

Not exactly true, not everyone can do this job, in the same way not everyone can do any job eg Doctor, Pilot, nuclear physicist. To eradicate this, the time period would be enormous, for instance, 12 months. 😬😬

@@NationalDrivingCentre true through you would hope the ones that arnt getting it get weeded out or give up in that time though there is no counting for the deluded. the one am going through is a government funded thing and has all of the faff that results in involving the government in anything.. as a result 10 of us starting we are down to 6...they didnt wana do the faff were just expecting to walk ina and walk out with a class 1 (and honestly thank god those guys cant even get driving a car right) its only been a week should be a good year though we aint getting in a truck till the theory stuff is done

@@Gazzxy Best of luck, we hope all goes well.

Thank you so much for your comment.

Yes a CPC is still compulsory for all drivers.

Its never to late.👍👍👍

Thank you so much👍👍👍

mate, i dont know what jobs you been having watching but its rough shit, around me its minium £17+ ph northwest

@@MrSeQu ltd? Contract? Agency? Do you actually earn that or heard from your " friend,"?

@@wizner91 ltd is way more obviously, most ware agency to perm staff it’s literally on indeed you just need to find good companies on there. Not many but evidently you will find something

@@Matt771 but ltd there is no paid holidays i think there is more agro than real benefits

@@Matt771 Wasn't LTD stopped on 1 April this year by the IR35 tax changes? If you supply nothing more than your services as a driver, I thought you could no longer be LTD. Under HMRC rules, this now falls to the end user (the haulage company) to determine your employment status and if you are just a driver, then they can now only pay you as PAYE and not LTD.

Spot on mate. Just pure and simple a money making speach.

We haven't been negative about the changes 😀 for us it's like the referees whistle. Decision has been made and were getting on with it. We are just trying to give good advice to people that think they can jump straight into a C+E from a car with no larger vehicle experience and that it's easy.

I also got a definite negative vibe from both about the changes, in the 60's lorry length went up to 49'. So apart from an extra 5' (plus more weight) now, I don't see a problem.

Not at all, Archie. Show them in the test how good you are, show them that you put Safety at the top of your list and that your age won't make a difference as to how you drive. This is the key to passing this. 👍👍👍 🤞🤞🤞Best of luck hope all goes well.

I am also in the same boat as you would like to know

Yeah I the same aswell

Thank you so much for your comment.

Thanks John. We hope doing it the 'classic' way is the best advice for future drivers. The Cat C licence is a great back up option within the course. DVLA are turning round licences quicker now so wait until 15th November and then send forms and licence off - should be back quicker than you think!

Hi I'm in that boat too with a class 2 provisional. Did you get a response as to whether you have to send licence off again?

That will work well. Thank you for your comment 👍

@@NationalDrivingCentre Hopefully thank you so much

Good morning, hope all is well. The best thing to do is have a look on the DVLA website (www.gov.uk/view-driving-licence) to see if you have the provisional C or C+E. If not grab the paperwork from us, complete the D2 and D4 form and then come on down for your free assessment. 👍👍👍

Thank you so much👍👍

Draw Bar combinations are permitted to have the same maximum weight as an artic but interestingly, are allowed a longer maximum length of 18.75m compared to an artic at just 16.65m max. Fully agree with you mate, drop the doom and gloom and give potential new candidates more credibility. The majority of them aren't going to be idiots and will tackle what is put in front of them without too many issues. I think the biggest problem here is that the guy in the video, in all probability, had do his rigid test before he took has artic test. As such, he clearly isn't happy at now being expected to teach new drivers direct from a car to an artic when he wasn't allowed that opportunity. Hope that doesn't therefore result in unfair negative bias towards his potential new candidates despite this video already suggesting that some negative bias is starting to take place.

I completed both at Beverly Military driving school. In 1988 it was clear that driving a car is far different from HGV class 2. Different size of vehicle to manoeuvre. It was also required experience with class 2 before moving to class 1. The differences are massive to which class 2 experience was essential

@@martinwright3814 operating a 4 speed manual car gearbox is a million miles away from operating an 18 speed non syncro manual crash gearbox fitted to a truck yet the EU decided in 2014 that a candidates experience with a basic car gearbox was now sufficient to be given direct access to a complicated manual truck gearbox and, as such, have since allowed them to take their HGV test with a fully automatic gearbox and then receive a full manual HGV licence in return based on their car licence. That was the most ridiculous EU rulling ever but didn't hear many complaints about that one. Yet here we are now with the UK government deciding to allow car drivers to go direct to a Class 1, for which they will still have to actually pass the Class 1 test (not a free pass as with the EU's 2014 gearbox rulling) yet many complaining that it is a crazy decision by the UK. As there has never been any requirement to hold your rigid HGV licence for a minimum period of time before progressing to a Class 1(you could technically do both on the same day), then the EU system of truck driver licencing was bureaucratic nonsense at it's finest, designed for no other reason than being a money making scheme for the training industry. So I believe that the UK has taken the correct decision to do away with that pointless system and now go back to how things were pre 1997. Again, it's not a free Class 1 pass, it's cutting out the ridiculous EU red tape. Lets see how long it will be before the EU take similar steps to try and tackle its HGV driver shortages.

@@xj358 Most tractor units seem to be auto, if you take your test in an auto does this mean you can only drive auto's like a car or is this ignored as you say JP 16 splitter box is harder to master?.

@@neooen3489 Since 2014, if you hold a manual car licence then you can take your HGV test using an automatic truck and will receive a full manual truck licence after passing your HGV test, giving you direct access to possibly 18 speed non syncro manual truck gearboxes without any experience whatsoever. Considering that NDC have a hugh problem with the UK government now allowing car drivers to go direct to Class 1 (for which they will still have to actually pass a class 1 test), I'm not sure what their moral position is regarding the watering down of the gearbox rules by the EU in 2014, affectively now giving drivers a free pass on the manual truck gearbox demonstration in front of the examiner.

Thank you so much.👍

Thank you so much for your comment.👍

Not necessarily we will do the assessment to see what standard your at but potentially you could go straight to C+E.👍