HiFiMan Sundara Headphone Review - Amazing value and performance!

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A review of the HiFiMan Sundara headphones including comparisons vs the Focal Clear, Sennheiser HD800S, Drop + HiFiMan HE4XX and even the Meze Empyrean.
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0:00 Introduction
1:20 Design & specs
5:44 Comfort and cable
6:39 Aftermarket cables
8:01 Glamour video
9:00 Sound quality
12:18 vs Sennheiser HD800S
14:09 vs Focal Clear
15:44 vs HiFiMan HE4XX
17:18 vs Meze Empyrean
19:17 Final conclusion
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@HiFiGOAudio 3 года назад

I love my Sundara!! Simply one of the best in my collection so far, it sounds so smooth, so lively!! Loved your review, you explain in detail with simple words!! Keep up the good work!!

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Thank you. Enjoy your Sundaras!

@joshualandy8555 2 года назад

Just pulled the trigger on these after your excellent review gave me the confidence it was going to tick the boxes for me. Keep up the amazing work!

@PassionforSound 2 года назад

Great news, Josh. Glad I could help. I hope you love them!

@damayor9559 3 года назад

Outstanding review as always! I've had my Sundara's for 6 months and love them. They are my first "audiophile" head phones and blow my old Sony's away. I'm bare bones/low budget running them from my iPhone into an iFi nano iDSD Black Label DAC into a Schiit Magi Heresy and they sound incredible. Thank you for the advice on upgrading the cable. I agree with your review/opinion and highly recommend the Sundara's. Keep up the great work.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Thanks Mayor. Nothing wrong with that setup at all. Glad you're loving you Sundaras

@orborbea9844 2 года назад

Interesting , I own the black label myself , should look into the heresy too then

@PassionforSound 2 года назад

I'd recommend considering the standard Schiit Magni rather than the Heresy version as it's probably even better.

@orborbea9844 2 года назад

@@PassionforSound Thanks for the tip! Been looking everywhere, but schiit has 0 stock in Europe :(

@sashac3323 3 года назад

Another great review! Keep up the great work!

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Thanks Sasha!

@yabadabauk 3 года назад

Just watched a bunch of your reviews and I think content and delivery are spot on. I like the way in which you describe what you are hearing....a nice middle ground between the 'science vs passion' extremes that I've come across recently. I've had my Sundara's for a few weeks now and really like them.....they sounded intriguing when I first put them on and really to my liking after some mild EQ tweaks. Right now they're getting more head-time than my HD650's or Focal Elear's. For anyone interested, mine are almost certainly the latest revision...if indeed that makes any difference in respect to how they sound.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Glad you like the reviews, David! The Sundaras really are excellent so I understand them stealing airtime

@AdamJRichardson 3 года назад

I enjoy your reviews as much for getting music recommendations as the gear :) Can't believe I hadn't heard of that Beastie Boys album before - thanks for turning me on to it!

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

You're welcome! That album is a ripper!

@terrylarson7596 2 года назад

Thanks for an other excellent review and video production! I have an Earmax Pro amp that has been sitting in a box for 14 years. I am finally realizing that I should bring it out and use it since I spend 95% of my time in front of my lap top. With a good DAC these should be great!

@PassionforSound 2 года назад

Hope you love the setup you land on

@orborbea9844 2 года назад

Really nice informative video. Like the way you speak calmly. Thumbs up

@PassionforSound 2 года назад

So glad you liked it! Thanks for watching 🙂

@The_only_Higgsinspace 2 года назад

Great review mate. Up there as one of the best I reckon

@PassionforSound 2 года назад

Cheers, Richard!

@jaynunes2501 3 года назад

Thank you for your detailed but yet easy to understand review. I appreciate you actually getting into specifics about powering these headphones. I probably watched 10 other reviews on the same model and everyone simply says you need a bit of power to run them but never actually give us numbers. I have my liquid spark amp on the way so hopefully that handles the situation just fine.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Hi Jay, no problems - glad I can help! The Liquid Spark should do fine with these I think. They're not crazy difficult headphones unless you're looking to crank up huge amounts of EQ or play them at dangerous listening levels

@jaynunes2501 3 года назад

@@PassionforSound thank you for your reply.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

My pleasure 🙂

@jaynunes2501 3 года назад

@@PassionforSound I think you mentioned in your video if I want to upgrade the cable there was something else that worked better. Also,, I’m new at this so please forgive my ignorance. I purchased a generic cable to go from my dragonfly dac to the liquid spark amp. Do you think there would be something better than just a simple generic 3.5mm to RCA connector? Thank you for your expertise. I greatly appreciate it.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Hi Jay, a basic cable from a company like AudioQuest or a similar quality cable manufacturer will generally be a worthwhile upgrade on the most basic cables out there. Nothing too expensive - just $30 or so is all you probably need to spend (i.e. don't feel the need to invest a fortune into this cable as it would be false economy to spend too much)

@tormodguldvog8405 3 года назад

Thank you for a wonderful review. I completely agree that the Sundara is wonderful. As for handling I don’t have the same experience as you, I find it quite OK to handle. I use the Sundara with my iPad Pro and an Apple USB-C DAC dongle which works OK but lacks a bit of power (I keep it at about 80% volume). With my iPhone XS I am at 90% volume with the Lightning DAC adapter. Still the sound is so much more comfortable than what I get with my DT-770s. I am considering getting the EarMen Tr-amp because I like to keep things portable. Keep up your good work!

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Hi Tormod, glad you're enjoying the Sundaras and thanks for sharing your setup - it might help others with similar devices to know what to expect. The TR-Amp would be a great match and a nice upgrade in power and sound quality I expect.

@markrichmond6860 Год назад

Thanks for a very well thought out review. I recently brought the sundaras to go with my ifi zen can they sound fantastic together. Can't recommend them highly enough

@PassionforSound Год назад

So glad you're enjoying the headphones and that you liked the review

@kjbiz 3 года назад

Thx for the review. Nice to see as I recently purchased these. I am waiting on the cable upgrade that i am getting. Then it will be dac/amp choice once the $$ can be saved. Cheers

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Nice! Enjoy your new cans (and cable)

@Ramesh_Muthusamy 3 года назад

New Fan here. Such a comforting review!

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Welcome! Glad you liked it! 🙂

@taipan75 Год назад

Super review!!! Late to the party, just picked up a pair and will sell off the HE 400SE's.Thanks a lot your efforts. I really love your way of reviewing and have bought some of your recommendations accordingly.. 👍😎👍

@PassionforSound Год назад

Great choice and glad I could help 🙂🙂

@rishabhs2010 3 года назад

good review and well explained. Irrespective of price you compared them with the much higher priced headphones in terms of soundquality. Not many reviewers do tht. Hopefully i would like mine. thanks PaS

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Hi Rishabh, glad you liked the review. They're great headphones!

@santaclart 3 года назад

Hi, I have had He4xx since 2018 and just Ordered the Sundaras based on your review. Thank you.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

You're very welcome. You'll love the upgrade I think. If you remember, drop back in here and tell me how you're enjoying them.

@mattgrover3096 3 года назад

I did this same upgrade recently. The only thing the 4xx does better, or at least more of, is shaky, thumping sub bass. But stage, clarity, this fragile beauty, clear highs and mids that aren't harsh are all clearly better on the sundara. Also, I find the 4xx slightly more comfy and more comfy to handle, just like pointed out in the video, sundara is kinda hard angles in the hand. Couldn't agree more though, once on head, they are great. Also, both eq exceptionally well. So quite easy to up the sub bass a lil. On that note, with both cans eqd based on their measurement to the Harman curve, the sun's still sounded clearer, more open stage and more resolution.

@santaclart 3 года назад

@@mattgrover3096 4 Months on, still loving them. Had same feeling with the bass Until I installed Peace EQ and used the Harmon presets from Oratory1990. Tamed the treble a smidge and warmed up the bass. Fantastic.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Thanks for sharing your experiences, Matt and santaclart. Glad you're both enjoying the Sundaras!

@PastorHinChrist 2 года назад

Thanks mate- awesome sauce!

@PassionforSound 2 года назад

Glad you liked it

@Wyd4 3 года назад

I loved my Sundara and only sold them due to downsizing. Once I had sold my heresy there was little point in keeping them. To me they just didn’t shine from a more compact portable solution. But from a nice amp and dac I found them to be fantastic. I found the build really odd on them. Simultaneously feeling like a tank and cheap at the same time. I feel like a better slider on the headband and some real leather (and a cable that isn’t terrible) and they would be an amazing set. They have the sound already.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Totally agree on all counts. They're amazing sounding for the price, but those few details show their limitations in cost/value to build quality.

@AuH78 3 года назад

this is the best sundara review i have heard! good job!

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Thank you! Glad you liked it!

@adrian_ncm 3 года назад

An awesome review. I usually can’t sit through reviews more than 15 minutes but yours went by super quick which shows how much I enjoyed it! Detailed, well presented, well-edited and also very substantial arguments brought up. Great song recommendations too - love that Beastie Boys album! I know this is quite a late comment from the day this video was posted but I just had to commend you on the quality and hard work. I don’t even usually comment either! Want to show my support to the audiophile community and reviewers like you that ease the mind of us (sometimes clueless) consumers. Subbed!

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Thanks so much, mcna! Glad you liked it. I'm always trying to improve my video quality so hopefully it will get better still in 2021.

@snowrang3r657 3 года назад

Another great review. For a fairly neutral tuning seems like the HD560s is the benchmark at $200usd and the Sundara is the next step up at $350usd. HD560s have a bit more bass but Sundara's do resolve more. Granted I'm rocking the Focal Clear's but when most of my friends ask what to get they're looking at lower price points, which is fair I'm just happy people exploring options besides ANC headphones (those have their place too but I have some friends that thought that was the "best" out there".)

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

I really need to check out the 560S

@snowrang3r657 3 года назад

@@PassionforSound I’m sure some people or genres will still prefer the mid focused HD6XX, plus the HD6XX scales better with higher end gear. But the bass and treble extension in the HD560s is going fit a lot of modern genres.

@Van_Slowfade 3 года назад

Thanks for the review. I’m not into measurements, as to me, in general, all that matters is how they sound, but there was a bit of a hole created when Tyll quit Innerfidelity. I suspect if you can do measurements as credibly as he did, it will help your channel and broaden your appeal. All just IMO, of course. Thanks for doing what you do. I enjoy watching.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Thanks Jim. I need to be a little careful because I'm not using a pro test rig, but I'll start to share some measurements and discussion of them from now on.

@georgebradley419 2 года назад

Now that was an excellent review from someone who clearly knows hi-Fi, and has a strong technical background. I own HD600 and HD650 and am wanting to buy a planar magnetic headphones to add to my collection, and I’m considering the Sundara and the Audeze LCD-X 2021 edition. I’m sure the Audeze headphones will out perform the Sundara, but they should at more than 3x the price. The issue I have with the LCD-X is their 620gm weight. I do like the HD800S, but they have flaws (rolled off bass and peaks in the treble) and aren’t really worth their price, I feel. Ian not a fan of Focal headphones.the one thing that concerns me about HiFiman headphones is their reputation for poor quality control and questionable reliability, although that has improved in the last couple of years a dealer told me.

@PassionforSound 2 года назад

HiFiMan have definitely improved things in recent years. I know own almost every headphone they make and have had zero issues with any of them 🙂 Glad you liked the review!

@abdullahkoh 3 года назад

Great review and I really like sections with the comparison and quicklinks against other high end headphones such as the Focal Clears, Empyreans etc. It goes to show what amazing value the Sundara offer. Would you recommend the Focal Clear (used at about 850€) over the Hifiman Sundara (350€ New) and why? Thank you and keep the great reviews coming!

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Thanks Abdullah! (Hope I got your name right) The Clears are better in many ways, but they're also different in that they are a little bit u-shaped compared to the quite linear Sundaras. They have better detail retrieval and speed, but they're not as smooth sounding so it depends on what you're after. Sorry I can't give you a more definitive answer!

@c2far1 2 года назад

Hi;, loved the review, thanks . I JUST ordered a pr. Of Sundaras they’ll be delivered tomorrow. After watching your take and comparisons I’m vey excited. I already own the Focal Clear, Sen. 6xx and a pair of Grados. Again thanks for sharing your knowledge with us. Stay Safe, Tom

@c2far1 2 года назад

Btw, this is my first pair of “Planer’ headphones, hope i made a wise choice , lol

@PassionforSound 2 года назад

It's a great place to start with planars, Tom. Hope you love them!

@Pranav19k94 22 дня назад

I have a Grado SR80x and I am looking for my next pair. I have these shortlisted HiFiMan Sundara, Edition XS, Audeze MM-100 and the HD600. What should I go with? I usually listen to Classical music and some Coke Studio

@PassionforSound 20 дней назад

What do you want more of/less of compared to the Grados?

@Pranav19k94 20 дней назад

@@PassionforSound Frankly, I wouldn't know. Haven't heard anything else except my own Headphones. Grado and Sennheiser HD450. I want something more musical, dynamic, with better vocals

@blanchedesmas 3 года назад

Very good review

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Thanks Francois!

@juanjoseamezcuaramon6617 3 года назад

Very good review again. I totally agree. I own a pair of Sundaras and I am very happy with the purchase besides I got them when they had a 50 € discount. I use them with my computer or while doing something at home fed by Fiio Btr5 or Audioquest Dragonfly Cobalt (way better with the Dragonfly but they tend to disconnect when moving and I have to disable and enable OTG again for Neutron to connect again). I wanted an IEM with good value for the money and got the Moondrop Blessing 2. They sound very good, being an IEM you can notice some soundstage, but they are too bright for me. If you find a Sundara like IEM it would definitely be a review worth my while.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

I might have one coming up, Juan. They're not quite as good as the Sundara overall, but they should be a closer fit than the Moondrops

@juanjoseamezcuaramon6617 3 года назад

@@PassionforSound Looking forward to it.

@Vijayaravind2k2 2 года назад

Awesome Review my friend, I have watched almost all the reviews and I recently bought the Sundara headphones after seeing the review. Thank you so much for the great review. I am looking out to enhance the sound experience by upgrading my Magni headphone AMP to another one which will best suit these headphones, any suggestions??. I have Topping D90 DAC with Node as the Streaming Source.

@SolitoTepic 3 года назад

Your reviews always full of details, make you feel that I have them in my hands. Very interesting features for the price, my HIfiman HE400i also has hard edges, perhaps characteristic of Hifiman mid-range. But his sound is very good.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Yeah, they tune their headphones very well in most cases. Glad you find the detail helpful!

@luigismilazzo Год назад

You are one of the best

@PassionforSound Год назад

Thank you. I'm.glad you like the videos

@harshitsingh9397 3 года назад

Thanks a lot for the review ! I refer to websites like rtings to get a good look at the frequency response of various headphones before making a purchasing decision. While frequency graphs don't tell everything about a headphone, they give a good idea of what you can expect from them. I have had the Sennheiser hd 800s and the stax sr 009s but none of them have deep and low bass, I am searching for headphones that have good imaging, soundstage and also good bass. Initially I was looking at the sundara because it is planar magnetic and I heard great things about then, but now I think I will go with meze empyrean because of its warmer sound signature. Also if possible , could you please review the audeze LCD xc , xm4 or the 4. I really want to buy a planar but I am not sure if it's a good choice .

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Hi Harshit, the Empyreans are definitely a great option. I will also try to get a chance to review some Audeze in the future too.

@TiagrajI 3 года назад

I have both the sundara and the Clears. I agree. The Sundara shines in rich orchestral pieces while the Clears punch hard in few tracks. Both are tremendous for the price and what they deliver

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Glad to see I'm not the only one hearing things as I do. Thanks for sharing!

@jasonfranciosa 3 года назад

Great review! I can't tell if you have the version with the updated pads or not from the video. I spent way too much time trying to find the best all around headphone sub-$500 and the Sundara came out on top by a long shot. It's really an incredible value. I highly recommend adding a bit of EQ to bring the bass and sub bass up a bit. The Sundara's driver is incredibly capable and handles EQ very well without distortion. Also, Oratory1990 just released the settings to bring it to the Harman target for the updated version. I use a modified version of this, but with EQ, these headphones really are incredible.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Hi Jason, I'm not sure, but I think it's the original version. That's interesting to hear about the EQing options. I don't generally bother with EQ and like to enjoy headphones for their tuned sound, but that's just my personal preference.

@jasonfranciosa 3 года назад

@@PassionforSound Ah yea, It's nice to have the flexibility though, given a headphone design will always have tradeoffs and no frequency response is perfect for anyone, I love that I can make slight adjustments and get a lot more out of a headphone. With the Sundara, this is especially true as the driver is extremely capable. The Bass with a bit of EQ boost goes from good to "Wow". Even if you don't keep it, I def recommend testing them with a bit of a bass boost, a 3-5 db low shelf filter at 105 hz is just about perfect.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

I'll give it a try - thanks!

@jessreggae 3 года назад

Are the EQ profile on the harman over ear 2018 folder?

@AbalMarius 3 года назад

@@jasonfranciosa hello thanks for sharing, completely agree that sundara is amazing especially with eq a little boost on low end. Do you use only low shelf filter from 105 hz or something else? This as i understand comes from oratory 1990 eq. Thanks.

@Kevin.L_ 3 года назад

Love the reviews. I enjoy checking out the music you use as I find new clean music to enjoy. Would these headphones be a good direction to go if I'm happy with the overall presentation of my old HD600? I'm not ready to upgrade just yet, but I find these interesting.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Hi Kevin, glad you like the tracks! These would be a great next step from the 600s without stepping up in price range

@Kevin.L_ 3 года назад

@@PassionforSound Thank you. My HD600 are 18 years old and I suspect things have changed. Love the videos and it's great seeing you post in the comments. Your efforts are appreciated.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Thanks Kevin. Wow! 18 years old. That's impressive.

@FlorentDorinMusic 3 года назад

Hi! You guys might help me here. I bought the Sundarars and a Ifi Zen dac. I wanted to plug my headphones to the balanced output so I bought an extra 3.5mm female to 4.4mm male jack adaptater. The problem is that it got worse, so much worse... there was a buzz sound and the music got all messed up. Si I send back my adaptater thinking it had an issue... So my question is : is the Sundara stock cable balanced ? Do I just have to get a working 3.5mm to 4.4mm adaptater to use the Ifi zen dac balanced output? Thanks. Hope someone find this message

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Hi Florent, you need to get the 3.5mm plug on the Sundara cable removed and replaced with a 4.4mm to use balanced. You can adapt balanced cables back to single ended (i.e. 4.4mm cable adapted to plug into 3.5mm), but not the other way around. This is because the balanced output has 4 distinct outputs and trying to make it single ended is short circuiting two of those outputs.

@canonlon311 3 года назад

Another well done review. I owned the Sundara for a short period of time. There were two flaws that prevented me from enjoying them; high frequency harshness and a congested presentation. I wouldn't say they are bad but not headphones which I would recommend. They seem universally well liked, especially for their price.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Hi can, having seen a range of comments, it seems that this might be a revision issue and it sounds like the model I have might be a newer revision version which would explain why my experience might be different to yours.

@brandonburr4900 3 года назад

Another terrific review! Happen to know if these headphones are hifimans latest 2020 editions? I have heard that this newer revision sounds better than previous ones. I'm curious how one can tell what revision they are getting. I guess they have done silent revisions on headphones over the years. Curious to hear what you think of other hifimans such as the ananda and ayria. Thank you!

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Thanks Brandon. Some other commenters seem to think they are the latest revision, but I can't be certain. If these aren't the latest then the new ones sound even better which would be brilliant. I'm hoping to review a few more HifiMan headphones in the future so stay tuned 😉

@teemuvesala9575 2 года назад

For most Hifiman stuff from HE400s to Sundara you definitely need to be prepared to buy aftermarket cable and also aftermarket ear pads. I used to have HE-400S quite a long time ago, the sound quality improved a lot with dekoni leather pads. HE-400S is the modern day HE-400SE and I think back then it retailed around 299-349 dollars.

@PassionforSound 2 года назад

I agree on the cable topic. They're trying to get better, but still have a way to go. There are some excellent, affordable cables available now though and it's great that all HiFiMan models use the same 3.5mm connectors now.

@sopasadena1499 2 года назад

Great review as always. Very detailed and informative. Do you have an opinion on the Drop+HiFiMan HE5XX? Are these any closer to the Sandara than the HE4XX? Thanks for your assistance.

@PassionforSound 2 года назад

I haven't tried the HE-5XX. Sorry!

@PekkoAhlsten 3 года назад

such a great review, thanks! I presume that the Plenue D2 would drive these headphones easily?

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Hi Pekko, the D2 should have no troubles at all. I've got the little Shanling Q1 here at the moment and that runs them beautifully.

@STR82DVD Год назад

I can drive these cans with a damn smartphone. I've no problem with the industrial design of these cans and I haven't even bought them yet but I'm going to. Hell yes. I have a perfect spot on my headphone display right beside my Sennheiser HD 600s. Thanks for the brilliant critique lad.

@PassionforSound Год назад

Glad you've made your decision and a good one at that. Thanks for watching and commenting!

@c29395 3 года назад

Turning on crossfeed helps with instrument separation , imo it is only needed when listening to music with a full orchestras . Sundara are a great headphone. I was watching (Fear the living Dead) there were gunshots , and I could see exactly when the gunshots were going to happen , and my Sundaras still made me jump . The impact is so great , when properly amped.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

They really are excellent, particularly at the price

@MadMensDen 3 года назад

I don't know what it is with this channel, but you always upload a video on something I'm going nuts over to buy or not. I've got my little schiit stack now, and it's time to go from my HE-400i to the SUNDARAS. Would you ever consider reviewing the holy trinity of cheap audiophile?? The KSC75, Kph30is and porta pros from koss. I just got my second pair of ksc75s and I was worried that they wouldn't be up to snuff compared to the HE-400I and Takstar pro82, monoprice retros and MH751 that I've been using since my original pair broke, but I was worried for nothing, in terms of sound signature they're still my favorite (almost perfect for me), such good headphones. Anyways, love the channel! Keep it up man!!

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Thanks Andy, glad I'm on your purchasing schedule 😉 I've actually got the PortaPros here now for review soon and I've owned the KSC75 for years now. Both are excellent (even if they look a little funny). I'll see if I can slip the KSC75 into the review for you.

@MadMensDen 3 года назад

@@PassionforSound Awesome! They're not the most detailed, they just sound great, "Ugly," but great xD

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Totally agree

@chefsteve8381 3 года назад

great review once again ,you have done a dynamic and a planar how about a electrostatic to complete the trio ?

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Yeah, I need to get some electrotats in my life. I do have a stat IEM on the way...

@manueljenkin95 3 года назад

@@PassionforSound kse1200?

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

No, it's a hybrid with DD, BA and E-stat. Not sure if it's truly E-stat because it doesn't need an energizer.

@Princeton_James 3 года назад

I watched a movie with these for the first time. Yes the music is awesome on these but for some reason i didnt expect movies to be as good as they were. That was a pleasant experience.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Nice! I don't often watch movies with headphones. That could be a whole spin-off channel...

@keith12311 3 года назад

I’m ready to stick my feet into a whole new realm, would you recommend these to be my 1st hi end headphones, love your videos

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Hi Hungry, glad you like the channel! I would whole-heartedly recommend these as a great first step. What DAC and amp will you be using?

@levandejacob 3 года назад

@@PassionforSound I got the iFi Audio Zen DAC only, with only usb as powersource. Would you recommend something else as DAC/AMP?

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

That will work ok. I would probably start with the HifiMan Sundara. They're brilliant and very versatile. If the iFi can take external power I'd also recommend trying it with a separate power supply like a phone charger or battery pack

@YorkshireD1 3 года назад

I hung my cable above a radiator with something with a bit of weight to it on the other end. It took the coil out pretty good.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Good idea!

@lanemiddleton9 2 года назад

Physics to the rescue of o coiled headphone cord - MacGyver would approve !

@LightyDust 3 года назад

Waiting for these to be delivered to me right now. Bought an HE400i 2020 just a month ago and straight away decided that i want more. Hope my AE-5 sound card will handle them fine. :)

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Ooh, you might be stretching the soundcard - it'll be interesting to see. I think you'll live the sound though. Noticeably warmer, but better in so many ways I think

@LightyDust 3 года назад

@@PassionforSound yeah, it may be a little too much for the little thing. But we'll see. I will probably get an external solution later this year, but i think an AE-5 will handle it fine.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Definitely worth trying it first. There are some nice affordable options like the Topping L30 if you need more power.

@LightyDust 3 года назад

@@PassionforSound hello. I've got the Sundaras. They sound very good from an AE-5, and i like the sound signature. Somewhat brighter than an HE400i 2020, like a breath of cold, fresh air. But i'm sure they can do better with a proper amp.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Glad to hear they work. If they sound brighter than the HE400 then I dare say it's lacking sufficient power for them as the Sundara should be noticeably warmer than the HE400i, but if you're happy with the sound then that's all that matters! 🙂

@raoulduke6043 Год назад

Hi, great review, very well explained. I was wondering if you ever tested the Ultrasone 2900 Pro, and if so how does it compare according to you to the Sundara. The Ultrasone have a V shaped signature, but also a great soundstage. Soundstage is one of the things that really matters for me. But I like some bass even on classic music as it gives a warmer sound, and more impact. Thus I wonder if both headphones are similar or complementar. Thanks in advance!

@PassionforSound Год назад

Glad you liked the review, Raoul. I've never tried the 2900 Pro. I used to own some Ultrasone HFI 680s and later some Edition 8s (I think) so I know and like the Ultrasone sound, but can't compare the Sundara and 2900s for you. Sorry!

@I_beat_up_cuckolds 2 года назад

Sundara and hd 650 are the perfect complimentary cans. Best duo for covering and entire spectrum of music and still not breaking your bank.

@scottd1342 Год назад

Never thought of it this way -- two sets of cans for specific music types and needs

@PassionforSound Год назад

It can work really well if you choose the right cans

@scottd1342 Год назад

@@PassionforSound I just bought the Sundaras here in Sydney as a start into hifi world (with a Zen DAC) and really appreciated your comprehensive review. They are brilliant. These are a jump up from the Sony XM4s -- which sound surprisingly good wired btw -- on the Zen DAC listening to lossless.

@PassionforSound Год назад

So glad you're liking them!

@MFRiley Год назад

@Scott D This is the way I would love to approach audio. A few different sets of speakers and a few different sets of headphones. Cover all types of music and use cases. Alas, I don't have the space or money for that. Possibly one day.

@nickfitter1118 3 года назад

Hi, Just wondering what the schiit products on your desk are and whether they are your go to schitt stack or just ones up for review. Im thinking of purchasing some schiit equipment & just wondering if you could recommend the best schiit Dac amp combo if price wasn’t an issue except Yggdrasil of course. Great reviews by the way. Thanks and keep them coming.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Hi Nick, glad you like the reviews. The pile of Schiit on my desk is a Bifrost 2 and Asgard 3. I'd recommend both for what they are, but my go-to setup involving these products is actually the Bifrost 2 feeding the Topping A90. I'm yet to find my perfect Schiit amp because I haven't tried tooany of them. The Burson Soloist 3XP will be replacing the A90 soon too

@annelouisemendoza394 3 года назад

Awesome!!! Quite affordable! I'd like to get this one. :)

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

It's a great choice

@annelouisemendoza394 3 года назад

@@PassionforSound thank you.

@jamess7589 Год назад

Hi Lachlan. Bit late for the review but I purchased the Sundara’s a couple of months ago and been running them with the Heretic. Just purchased a new but boxed never opened Lyr 2 and I am hopeful that the extra power will really drive the Sundara’s to greater heights.

@PassionforSound Год назад

Nice combo, James. Hope you love them! The Heretic has plenty of power as it is, but the increased quality of the Lyr 2 should be a nice upgrade.

@jamess7589 Год назад

@@PassionforSound thank you for the reply! Already thinking ahead to tube rolling with the Lyr 2! Another audio rabbit hole I’ve fallen in! This hobby is going to be the financial death of me!

@PassionforSound Год назад

Yep, it'll do that! :)

@georgyboss 3 года назад

Thank you SO much for this review, I especially found the explanation of the power requirements useful! Have I got this right: The FiiO M9 delivers 220mW（32Ω /THD+N＜1%，2.5 balanced power - so not powerful enough?? The FiiO M11 delivers 550mW（4.2V）（32Ω /THD+N＜1%）2.5 balanced power - so is powerful enough?? Man I find this confusing!

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

You've got it, but that's for LOUD levels or if you're boosting frequencies with an EQ. I've just tried the Sundara on the Shanling Q1 which outputs 80mW and it manages ok despite being close to max volume (about 80% for my comfortable listening level) so I'd expect the M9 would still be ok if you aren't looking for super loud levels or lots of EQ boost.

@Jesse_Alex 3 года назад

More headphone reviews please

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Hi Jesse, they're coming. It's been a bit DAC/amp heavy lately, hasn't it?

@Jesse_Alex 3 года назад

@@PassionforSound Yeah exactly, we need to increase the headphone review frequency:)

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

I'm doing what I can. A lot of it depends on what I can afford to buy at the time because the channel is still growing and not yet paying it's way 🙂

@AquariumService23 Год назад

Thanks for your great work. Is SMSL M500 MKIII DAC/AMP correct for HiFiMan Sundaras ???

@PassionforSound Год назад

It will do great with the Sundaras 🙂

@ab_aliens 2 года назад

Great video! Please review Beyer Dynamic DT 1990 Pro.

@PassionforSound 2 года назад

I have them here right now, but they're a little way down the queue still 😁

@ab_aliens 2 года назад

@@PassionforSound Nice! Patience is a virtue.

@PassionforSound 2 года назад

That it is 🙂

@deadline7610 3 года назад

Nicely done. Luv my Sundara's As I'm trying to tweak (eq) on my Sundara's via my iMac the internal eq is not system wide or PEQ and most important doesn't play via streaming services :( Have you tried the new Sonarworks reference Id ? They are using what I think is the old version Sundara reference graph. Any suggestion for a mac friendly PEQ ? Thanks in advance.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Hi Bruce, I actually recently reviewed SoundID here on the channel, but I don't think I tried it with the Sundaras. That said, I haven't tried this, but can you apply as EQ using SoundID without first applying a calibration curve? Other than that, I'm afraid I'm no help because I'm not a Mac user.

@myHuge249 3 года назад

my pair of sundaras arrived just the other day (my first ever "audiophile" headphone) and honestly im too excited to put them on to even notice how they feel in the hand. Imo these kinda things are good ways to cut costs when making these kinda products. They aint there for me to show off, they there purely for my enjoyment of listening to them.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Congratulations on the new cans! You're exactly right about the build irrelevant once they're on your head and playing music

@jldkrank 3 года назад

I just put in my order for a pair of these for fathers day! What do you recommend as a affordable dac/amp for these? I'm thinking modi 3 and magni heresy.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Nice! I'd probably go for the Modi Multibit and Magni 3+ I think. I personally didn't love the Heresy so definitely Magni 3+. I think either DAC (Modi 3 / Multibit) would do just fine.

@GREGBT69 3 года назад

Excellent video. I'm grabbing them this week. What upgraded cables you was using?

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Hi EF, glad you liked it. I think you'll be very happy with your choice. I've been using the Meze Audio balanced upgrade cable for the 99 series headphones (amzn.to/3aW4m5Q) but do keep in mind that it's a shorter cable so it depends on your setup whether that's helpful or not

@GREGBT69 3 года назад

@@PassionforSound No. 8 feet is fine. Thanks for the heads up.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

You're welcome!

@andrewkamel235 2 года назад

Hi Man Great review as usual I need your recommendation PLZ! I am planning to use the Sundaras for Mastering/Mixing at home studio. Using Apollo twin X, Do I need an amp? What is the best set up for apollo/headphone amp? I am choosing Magni 3+, what do u think?!! Thank you in advance

@PassionforSound 2 года назад

Hi Andrew, adding a Magni 3+ is probably a good idea for the Sundaras. Audio interfaces are rarely good as drivers of headphones so I think the Magni will really help.

@andrewkamel235 2 года назад

@@PassionforSound Thank U for the prompt answer :)

@PassionforSound 2 года назад

My pleasure

@taskhunters5245 3 года назад

Very good👌Ta!!

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

You're welcome!

@ArmandD 11 месяцев назад

Would you recommend these over the DT 900 Pro X or HD600 for sound mixing? Would you recommend them for mixing in general?

@PassionforSound 11 месяцев назад

I don't think I'd choose the Sundaras for mixing. Both the HD600 and DT 900 Pro X would be preferable for me, but any headphone you choose will have compromises to account for when mixing.

@adriansz4227 3 года назад

Would you use them with a tube amp like the Valhalla 2? Or should I stick with my schiit multibit/magni3+ combo?

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Hi Adrian, they can work with any amp so it really depends on the voicing of the amp. I personally wouldn't use them with a particularly thick/warm sounding amp like say a Darkvoice 336SE, but no all tube amps sound like that. I haven't heard the Valhalla 2 so I can't specifically comment, but I'd recommend checking some reviews to see if the Valhalla 2 is relatively neutral (for a tube amp which will always have a degree of colouration, but doesn't have to be overly warm and thick)

@hunter4229 2 года назад

I'm planning to get the Sundaras and pair them with a Topping E30/L30 stack. Do you think that would be a good fit? Also considering the D50s/A50s/P50? stack but judging from your reviews it seems like not too good value compared to the E30/L30. I only really like the bluetooth making it semi-portable and the balanced output but idk if that really makes a difference so might not be worth it. I'm taking the next step from my ultra budget Fiio E10 (OG from 2011) and Superlux HD681 Evos.

@PassionforSound 2 года назад

Hi Hunter, I still think the E30/L30 stack is one of the best deals around so I'd definitely recommend that. The D/A/P50 stack is overpriced for the performance I think. Just run the E30 off a phone charger rather than USB from a computer and you'll be set.

@hunter4229 2 года назад

@@PassionforSound Thanks for the reply. I just found your channel and loving every bit of it! Instantly subscribed. I think I'll follow your advice and get the 30 stack since I was already finding the 50 stack to be out of my budget anyway (considering they cost more than the Sundaras). I'll live without the bluetooth then. Keep up the good work! 😊

@PassionforSound 2 года назад

I think you'll be very happy with the choice. Thanks for subscribing! So glad you like the channel

@Alxtorr77 3 года назад

nice video. sundara vs he-500 opinions....:p

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Hi Alex, it's been a LONG time since I owned the HE500s, but I think the Sundara are more neutral and definitely more comfortable. I sold my HE500s because they never totally won me over, but the Sundaras are staying so I would lean towards the Sundara out of the two.

@Alxtorr77 3 года назад

@@PassionforSound nice! Recently I bought the he-500 and already have the sundara's.. Got no problem with the he-500 confort and weight. Just to know your opinion about the sound. Thanks anyway! I feel similar.. Sundara's sound is little more neutral and refined but feel the he-500 more dynamic and a little more in the league of lcd2 and 1000 dollars headphones competition.. Hifiman should update the he-500 model with better confort.... Really awesome headphone to my ears..

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

That's an interesting point. I owned the LCD-2s at the same time as the HE500 so that might have influenced my thinking a bit too. The Sundaras probably have the edge for me because of the price-to-performance, but that's not to say they perform as well as the HE500s given the price differences when new.

@2134yanto Год назад

Hi Lachlan. Thanks for another great review. I’m seriously considering buying these. But I was interested in your comments re a lack of separation when listening to the Elgar cello concerto. I listen to a lot of classical music including orchestral symphonies etc and separation is important. Would the lack of this be a big enough negative not to buy these Sundara please? Thanks again

@PassionforSound Год назад

Hi Ian, if you're a big classical listener, I think the Sundara is ok, but I also think you can do better with options like the Verum 1, Ananda (if you can stretch your budget), or the Sivga SV023 (review coming soon).

@2134yanto Год назад

@@PassionforSound thanks Lachlan. Yes I mostly listen to classical music now. So ideally want something with excellent detail, soundstage, separation and imaging. Thanks

@PassionforSound Год назад

I think the cans I listed could all fit that bill. Good luck in your search!

@2134yanto Год назад

@@PassionforSound thanks Lachlan. Be interesting to hear your thoughts on the Sivga.

@jayl5941 3 года назад

Well done again. You just talked me into a Bifrost 2 to add to my A90 😄. I was looking at the Sundara or HD600 for a gift for someone that listens to classical and jazz. Do you (or anyone else reading) suggest one or the other for those styles in particular?

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

I'm using exactly that setup at the moment (B2 + A90) and it's great! As for the headphone question? The Sundara would be my choice. Both will be great with jazz (600 may be slightly better), but the Sundara will be notably better for classical (IMO)

@jayl5941 3 года назад

@@PassionforSound Thanks! Appreciate you taking the time to respond.

@jayl5941 3 года назад

@Fisher Man Ha! To be fair, he is also helps run my business, so if you need a job also....

@georgebradley419 2 года назад

I’d buy the HD600. I own the HD600 and the HD650 and I find myself reaching for my 600’s more often, they have such a glorious midrange and resolving, detailed highs. Their base is merely adequate though. Vocals and instrumental works are brilliantly rendered on the HD600. I run them from a new iPad Air with a Audioquest Dragonfly Cobalt headphone amp/Dac streaming Tidal Masters (MQA) as well as Apple Music Lossless/hi res music files. I upgraded the cables to Cardas Parsec 1M and that improved an already great headphone even more.

@davidalvarez2765 3 года назад

Do they pair well enough with the audioquest cobalt or will I need a dedicated amplifier?

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Hi David, they do ok with the Cobalt. You can get more out of them with a desktop amp, but it's a good start.

@Aniki91PL 3 года назад

Hello, thank you for your channel. Which xlr 4 cable do you advice for a focal clear? :)

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Hi Philippe, I've used the standard XLR cable that came with mine, but I buy all my headphone cables from Aurealis Audio

@Aniki91PL 3 года назад

@@PassionforSound Merci

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

De rien!

@Merkava76 3 года назад

Question Lachlan, Apos do international shipping to Australia? Cause just done the conversion and if Order through them, I save $100 aussie dollars, which is a deal !

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Hi Ben, I'm afraid they don't ☹️

@KristianK42 2 года назад

I'd like to know what amps and dacs headphones would be a good pair with. Could be an interesting segment in future reviews :)

@PassionforSound 2 года назад

I deliberately don't specify amp/DAC pairings in my reviews unless there's a very specific issue with the headphone that requires a specific type of amp/DAC (e.g. the HD800S). In most cases, there are way too many possible combinations to cover effectively without accidentally misleading people. The best option for any headphone IMO is a discrete amplifier and a DAC with a good ability to produce depth and width in the soundstage. That said, there are lots of great options and some people prefer the chip-based amps and delta sigma DACs that produce less depth in the soundstage and a flatter, wall-of-sound type of presentation.

@blanchedesmas 3 года назад

I listen my Sundara with a FiiO M11 PRO. Do you have a couple of suggestions for me if i want upgrade the original cable of the Sundara?

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

I always buy my upgrade cables from Aurealis Audio here in Australia, but for the Sundara I've been using the Meze Audio upgrade cable for the 99 series headphones. It's a balanced, sliver-plated cable and it's a bit shorter so it might work well for you if using it with a portable device like the M11 Pro. Here's a link to it: amzn.to/3aW4m5Q

@toxotis70 2 года назад

what amp/dac do you propose for sundara, for warmer/rich sound ? I want to reduce trebles a while...

@PassionforSound 2 года назад

I'd look at the Asgard 3 from Schiit. Alternatively, you could consider going with tubes with an xDuoo MT-602 or MT-604. At higher levels, the Singxer SA-1 is a great match too

@stephenmacks23 10 месяцев назад

Hello, when you wrote your written review of the Ifi Zen Can signature Hifiman using the Sundara did you use the stock Hifiman Sundara cable or a custom cable or a balanced one? I have both the Sundara and Edition xs and also the Ifi Zen Can signature Hifiman and I'm playing with the idea of upgrading the cable to a balanced one. Will it be worth it? What improvements will I get if any? I appreciate any feedback from you. Thanks.

@PassionforSound 10 месяцев назад

I think you've got me mixed up with someone. I've never tried the Zen Can.

@stephenmacks23 10 месяцев назад

@@PassionforSound oh, I'm sorry 😔

@PassionforSound 10 месяцев назад

That's ok 🙂

@diamoh0624 2 года назад

I own ifi zen dac that powers my 58x, and I'm looking to buy Sundara. do you think ifi zen dac v1 amp is going to be an issue for the dynamics ? and if that so, do you think it is a good idea to buy jds labs atom amp and connect it with my ifi zen dac ?

@PassionforSound 2 года назад

I think the Zen DAC should have sufficient power, but I haven't heard one to comment on the overall sound quality. I'd start with just the Zen DAC and then add an amp later if you feel like you want more.

@kennith. 3 года назад

Thank you, would these pair well with the Asgard?

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Hi Kennith, yes they work well with it 🙂

@ofern321 2 года назад

At 17:03 when you say "in terms of sound quality", did you mean build quality? Great review

@PassionforSound 2 года назад

I'm, yes... I think. That was a weird bit of wording on my part. I don't use a script so I sometimes say things that are a touch unclear. Normally I catch them on the fly and redo, but I missed this one 😳

@ofern321 2 года назад

@@PassionforSound No problem. I guess you can insert a comment.

@PassionforSound 2 года назад

I can't edit the video anymore so I'll just have to hope people figure it out.

@JDS_im 3 года назад

Is this unit you've reviewed pre- or post 2020 revision? I've auditioned the post-revision model on a Chord Hugo 2 and I found that the upper-mids / treble had a rather dry/gritty texture to it, and sounded rather unpleasantly harsh at times with brighter string instruments, saxophones etc. I've heard from others that the pre-revision model didn't suffer so much from this issue, but recognized that gritty harshness in the post-revision model as well.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Interesting! I'm pretty sure this is a pre-revision version because I bought it secondhand and I think they'd owned it a while. HifiMan seem pretty firm that they made no driver changes though so that's weird...

@pinusmasterful 3 года назад

I only heard good things about the Revision, like lower subbass rolloff etc.

@jamescruz8678 3 года назад

IIRC Hifiman said there was no revision to the Sundara at all. The only thing that was changed was the glue used for the PalIPads.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

I think it's all noise. HifiMan are pretty open about their revisions and they've directly denied any revision (other than a change of glue in the pads). People will hear things if you tell them they're there to hear so I think it's a case of auditory bias when people hear differences.

@pinusmasterful 3 года назад

@@PassionforSound not true. They changed pad structure, which changes sound. See oratory1990 measurements: www.reddit.com/r/oratory1990/comments/jkueoj/hifiman_sundara_2020_revision_eq/

@colingordon0986 Год назад

Bout to buy these headphones with a dragonfly quest amp! Because that’s all I can afford, hope it works together well

@PassionforSound Год назад

They'll do great together. Enjoy!

@resync-vq1xi 2 года назад

could you test them with a soundblaster g6 and compare them to your other dac/amp combos? i would be really curios i compared sundaras on my g6 with a ifi zen dac/can and couldnt find a difference?! could you do that?

@PassionforSound 2 года назад

Sorry, but I don't have a soundblaster G6.

@vikashgauravvkg 3 года назад

I use xm4 , definitely not happy with how it sounds, Heard good things about Sundara, I'm goona get one

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

You're in for a large upgrade in sound quality 😃

@georgefrazier8404 2 года назад

Which aftermarket cable did you use in Video?

@PassionforSound 2 года назад

It was the Meze Audio upgrade cable for the Meze 99 Neo, Classic or Noire

@isaacfanai2006 9 месяцев назад

Current owner of Ollo S4x, how would you compare this with them? I am looking for a companion pair for Ollo as I like to use multiple phones to mix.

@PassionforSound 9 месяцев назад

The Sundara are a very different headphone and a good musical enjoyment headphone. They could work for a secondary mixing option, for sure. They're not as accurate as the S4X (tonally, I mean), but not too far off.

@MarcERNOULT 3 года назад

Hello ! Thanks for the video ! About power that you explain, Do we need a amplifier for iPhone or Sony Walkman a105 ? Hard to understand… thanks !

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Hi Marc, it all depends on the power output of each device so I can't say for certain, but I'd suggest that an amp would be needed for the iPhone to get the best from the Sundaras. The Walkman might be ok without an amp, but I couldn't see power output figures easily so I can't be certain

@MarcERNOULT 3 года назад

@@PassionforSound thanks a lot for this feedback ! I got a Onyx THX ampli dac. Do you think it’s good stuff ?

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

I haven't heard the Onyx, but I believe it's pretty powerful so it should do well

@erock81487 9 месяцев назад

is there a portable DAC/Amp combo that you would recommend for these? currently have the small Fiio Q1 MkII. seems like it would work okay, but wouldn't mind something a little more powerful?

@PassionforSound 9 месяцев назад

It depends on your budget. How much are you planning to spend?

@erock81487 9 месяцев назад

@@PassionforSound preferably a couple hundred? But willing to go a little more if it’s needed or will future proof future buys a little bit.

@PassionforSound 9 месяцев назад

The Hidisz XO is probably a good option: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WD3sM4QQCxg.htmlsi=gCrsgqWY6DEJMVUs

@erock81487 9 месяцев назад

@@PassionforSound i will check it out! thanks for the response

@user-eb5ri3nf9d 2 года назад

Hi, how is the combination of the sundara with the dragon fly cobalt?

@PassionforSound 2 года назад

It works really nicely. Not as good as a desktop setup, but dongles never are because they rely on the USB power supply from a phone or computer

@Numelu 3 года назад

For some reason the Sundaras felt very heavy upon my head, creating a hotspot. So they had to be returned, otherwise they sounded excellent. Sad to see them go.. Do you recommend somethingthat is good all around with a nice soundstage/imaging around 300-500$??

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Hi Walrus, that's a shame about the Sundaras. I have the Devas here for review at the moment and they're VERY similar in sound, but have a different headband and a lighter design. I think they'd be a good choice given you liked the Sundara sound. Other than that, I'm not sure what I'd recommend - perhaps some beyerdynamic Amirons or HD660S (I haven't heard the 660 so that's just going on what I've read)

@Numelu 3 года назад

@@PassionforSound I will check them out, thanks for the quick answer ☺️

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

No problems. The Deva review is still a little way off, but stay tuned if you want to see that one

@Xbox360mIRC Год назад

Mine came in today in just a plain box similar to what Drop uses sometimes for their headphones mostly brown with a little strip that indicated it was Hifiman Sundara and no booklet and a QR scan box with warranty and a serial and if you follow them on Facebook an extra 6 months warranty no booklet though. I can't figure out which version I got. I bought mine from Newegg.

@PassionforSound Год назад

I'm not much help there because I've not seen multiple versions myself

@mttrashcan-bg1ro Год назад

I love the sound and sense of space on the Sundara, was good with the Schiit Heresy with a Modi DAC, and is far better with the Asgard 3. My only issues is, yeah the cable sucks, and the metal seems sharpish, but also that thin headband is bad for my small head, so I taped some foam underneath it so it fits perfectly. My final issue, and the only real deal breaker is the earcups, the material is held on with cheap glue and comes off stupidly easy, and is hard to fix, while the Sundara is the only Hifiman headphone that doesn't have replacement earcups available that aren't aftermarket off Ebay or something.

@PassionforSound Год назад

Thanks for sharing your experiences

@TerenceGrier 3 года назад

Sundaras vs AKG K712 Vs HD 600. What is your favorite??

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Sundaras, hands down. HD600 comes in second place

@tpacalypse 3 года назад

Can you compare them to the Audioquest Nighthawk Carbon?

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

I love the Hawks (I have the originals), but they're VERY different headphones. The Hawks are distinctly coloured compared to the Sundaras neutrality, but the Hawks do better in terms of transparency and agility compared to the slightly thicker/heavier sound (i.e. heavier note weight) from the Sundaras.

@gamingandmusic9217 2 года назад

Thanks from India. I have shanling ua2 DAC/AMP which says that it can deliver 195 mW power @ 32 ohms with 2.5 Volts through a 2.5mm balanced output. Can my DAC drive the Sundara?can i get enough volume ?

@PassionforSound 2 года назад

Responded on your other post of this question 🙂

@nikhilsrl Год назад

I know you mention 6xx in this video, but wondering if you have ever compared the Sundara to the HD 650 in detail?

@PassionforSound Год назад

As I understand it, the 6XX and 650 are actually identical so that's the best I can offer because it's soooo long since I owned the 650s

@nikhilsrl Год назад

@@PassionforSound thanks for your comment.

@syncwork 3 года назад

What amp and dac did you paired with sundara? and what amp and dac do you recommend to reach sundara's full potential... can any amp-dac pairing improve layering of sundara, if so please suggest one. i have currently shortlisted: xDuoo XD-05, Chord Mojo (used), topping dx3-pro. PS: Schiit product ain't available at my location

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

The Mojo should be the best of those you listed. I have a Mojo here at the moment so let me check...

@syncwork 3 года назад

@@PassionforSound Do chime your impression of mojo pairing in comparison to xduoo. I am not much into buying used stuff... but if mojo is worth considering (by improved layering, details, or richer mids, etc.) i can buy mojo over xduoo.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

I can't check it versus the xDuoo because I don't have it here. Was just talking about making sure it can drive the Sundaras effectively (which it should). I'm comfortable that the Mojo will be the better DAC compared to the xDuoo

@syncwork 3 года назад

@@PassionforSound Do you have EarMen TR-Amp? can you check that as well? Thanks.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

I don't, but I'm hoping to review some Earmen gear very soon... As for the Mojo, it pairs very well with the Sundara. I had to turn it up quite a bit, but the sound was full and rich.

@leonisbacher1772 3 года назад

Hey mate, do you think the Loxji D30 can make this headphone work decently ? I am on a budget, ortherwise I might have to make a painful effort and grab a topping L30 E30 stack ;)

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Hi Leonis, I still have the D30 here so let me check...

@leonisbacher1772 3 года назад

@@PassionforSound thank you ☺️

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Done some testing. The D30 and Sundara work quite well, but I'd say it right on the edge of properly powering the Sundaras. You can get plenty of volume, but the sound is a touch thinner (i.e. less bass presence) than with a more powerful amp.

@leonisbacher1772 3 года назад

@@PassionforSound Ok 👌 Thanks a bunch for your help, I will take the E30 L30 stack, I have an excellent deal for the couple for 188€.

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Brilliant! Glad I could help. Enjoy your new toys! 🙂

@seaned8 3 года назад

Where in Oz are these available for under $500?

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Hi Sean, the price I provided was either accurate to local stores at the time or was a direct conversion of the USD cost if you buy directly from HiFiMan

@jeofthevirtuoussand 3 года назад

Are the vocals pushed forward from the instruments compared to a Sony wh1000xm 3 ? I possess a wh1000xm 3 as my main listening device and unfortunately the wh1000xm 3 has recest vocals and kind of blended ( even when i eq to lessen the lows and push up the mids /i mean it help a little with clarity but not enough for the vocals though... it particularly shows up when I listen to dark souls soundtrack or the legend of spyro trilogy on ps2

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

Hi Cardo, I sold my 1000XM3 so I can't provide a direct comparison, but the linear frequency response from the Sundara means that vocals and other midrange get the right amount of attention in the mix. I think you'd find them noticeably better than the 1000XM3

@jeofthevirtuoussand 3 года назад

@@PassionforSound thanks😉

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

No problems 🙂

@jeofthevirtuoussand 3 года назад

@@PassionforSound in risk of bothering you again 😅 Do you know a portable amp/dac that strengthen the vocals? For smartphone

@PassionforSound 3 года назад

The AudioQuest DragonFly Cobalt might be a good option if you've got the budget. Other than that, there's nothing I can think of that will bring the vocals forward as such. Perhaps some gentle EQing is what you need.