High Praise for the TREK LIME 3sp Auto Shift! + How to remove the rear wheel to replace a tube!

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I've always been skeptical of these bikes, but after servicing 25 of them for a local school district, I've learned they are actually some of the best bikes ever produced. The 3 speed Shimano electronic autoshift system is surprisingly robust and I have yet to come across one that is broken. You can usually pick these things up for under $100 on Marketplace and as long as the tubes hold air, I bet everything still works great! The only real downside to these bikes is fixing a flat tire is a total pain in the a$$! But it's really not that big of a deal, as you will see in this video!
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@wolfgangweber9924 4 месяца назад

I had no idea this existed. Now I want one.

@tedwingate 4 месяца назад

The addition of a Dutch wheel lock made this bike perfect for quick errands. Early ones came with a flip up seat that had storage for your wallet and keys.

@jrother 4 месяца назад

Living in the Lime light, the universal dream...

@dkylehall75 4 месяца назад

The way the big wheels spins...

@shakedown4769 4 месяца назад

I remember selling a few Limes when they debuted, and even though it's a well-made product it suffers the same basic design flaw that the Autobike and Landrider had: you don't ride it like a geared bicycle. When you ride a geared bike and want to go faster, shift up. Want to go slower? Shift down. What you don't do is just pedal faster/slower, at least not by more than a few rpm to bridge gear changes. Riding a fixie, sure, but on fixed gears the relationship between cadence and speed is perfectly linear. But with the Shimano Coasting system like the Lime had, if you want to go faster you furiously pedal until the computer initiates a shift, and then you immediately drop your cadence 20-30 rpm and settle into the gear. If you want to downshift before you start a climb up a hill, hopefully you're not attached to your momentum because that easier gear isn't going to come online until you've already lost it and if you're a casual rider without world-class thighs you probably lost a bunch of rpm too. I get it, it wasn't marketed to enthusiast riders, or people riding for cardio and fitness. Hence the "coasting" name. But that crowd was never exactly mystified by analog 3 speed internal hubs, were they? I'm hardly a Luddite, I own and freely praise every version of electric shifting wizardry on offer, but Coasting was a huge miss for a reason.

@tauncfester3022 4 месяца назад

Sounds like there weren't enough programming sensors. I owned a German folding bike with the Fictel-Sachs Automatic 2 speed it was just like you mentioned but as it was purely flyweight driven and could be reset to first gear at any speed just by lightly backpedalling for a second. It wasn't that big a problem with inclines. Sounds like the speed sensor had too lax a hysteresis algorithm for sensing when the rider's rpm had dropped below what would be comfortable shift down point as the bike slowed on an incline.

@DanielNunez-ur9dm 4 месяца назад

I saw one of these locked up really recently with all the decals off and I couldn't tell what was going on. Wild timing for this vid to drop.

@1969Rake 4 месяца назад

Probably too collectible now, but damn! That would make a perfect winter bike! Nothing is really exposed to the snow/salt/snert.

@thatcarguy1UZ 4 месяца назад

Awesome video, as always! I was today years old when I found out this existed! As a 3 speed aficionado, I really like this bike. My only concern is relying solely on the coaster brake. I genuinely like coaster brakes but I understand their limitations, so I would add a front rim brake for safety, even if I would usually just use the coaster.

@stevengagnon4777 3 месяца назад

Have an old MTB fork(lots of rake) on my "57" Schwinn Tiger. The cantilever brake up front is very good when it's needed. It has a nearly as old Bendix Red Band two speed kick back coaster. Didn't use the low gear much, but just like the brake, the low gear is nice when needed....certainly not the most efficient planetary gear system...but it does work...I got lucky and the tangs on the clutch are good...the hardest part to find.

@ralphk3436 4 месяца назад

I commuted on a lime every day for 10 years through Wi winters. Loved it and hated it. Was a pain in the ass to change tires. Not great on hills, but otherwise indestructible and fun to ride.

@christopherburleigh3600 3 месяца назад

I’ve had mine for 10 years and it’s a champion. I’ve put over 700 miles on it and still shifts fine.

@PoserBallin 4 месяца назад

Some of those rubber Airless tires might be a good candidate for this one.. cool bike but jeeez, all that for a flat.

@MylesHSG 4 месяца назад

I'd be running marathon plus's with a thick tube filled with sealant if that was my bike!

@MisterAndyS 4 месяца назад

I have hub gears on my Brompton and my Trek District. I usually just pop the tube out from under the tire and patch in place without removing the rear wheel.

@jamesconroy7030 4 месяца назад

@@MisterAndyS Perfectly good solution.

@jonc8074 4 месяца назад

shimano does make the best coaster brake. most modulation and best actuation -you can mount or drop curbs fairly easily without setting it off

@FuchsHorst 4 месяца назад

that's why I really appreciate the roller brakes from Shimano as they work and have almost no wear. They are used in typical "oma fiets" or Holland bikes but also in many rental bikes. Everyone tells me "disc brakes are the only good braking system" but the roller brakes on my Bakfiets cargo trike work reliably even with heavy load and rain.

@MetalTiger88 4 месяца назад

well to be fair, brake performance isn't great on roller brakes...😅

@FuchsHorst 4 месяца назад

@@MetalTiger88 it is great compared to rim brakes, at least the Shimno ones they still sell. It's not meant for fast e- bikes or downhill. but they don't need re-adjustments. Only some grease every couple of years and maybe a new brake wire.

@MetalTiger88 4 месяца назад

@@FuchsHorst a good adjusted v, brake or cantilever brake is much more aggresive then a roller brake. but even though the brake performance on a roller brake is lacking, it will at least run forever, i only replaced one in 20years so far.

@krollpeter 4 месяца назад

@@MetalTiger88 Brake power suffices for the rear.

@jgm9927 Месяц назад

Truly an interesting piece of bicycle history! I want one, LOL!

@Handletaken4 4 месяца назад

There was once a company that made a snake tube which made it possible to change the tube while wheel remained on the bike. I just take a longer tube, cut it, tie knots in it, shove it in.

@rodforney7184 4 месяца назад

Three speed hubs oh no! I do not know why but I love watching work being done to a bike I would avoid. Next time lets put in new bearings, I would hate doing that.

@jimp.7286 4 месяца назад

Fascinating. Never seen one before. A dynamo to power the shifter is clever alright. I’d own one in a state that was mostly flat if I was planning to ride it. Otherwise, collecting sounds like a better option. Cheers. 👍

@69Harveyb1 4 месяца назад

You have a knack for understanding design from the engineer's perspective and then disseminating it to us in ways we can understand. The reasons behind design. I remember when these came out. Honestly, I really don't think I understood the concept back then. It feels like the Globe bikes series came out about the same time and those kinda had my attention at the time. I wonder who was behind these? Really smart idea (that went right over my head)

@TwoWheelWarrior 4 месяца назад

I remember the Auto Bike infomercials from the 90's.

@alansmart6588 4 месяца назад

I was always impressed by how well they handled. Very stable. Didn't sell that well.

@jerrygill931 28 дней назад

Your video inspired me to buy one, love it!

@rickjenkins1238 4 месяца назад

I love simplicity. I'm building a 3 speed coaster brake now. I also have a 7. I don't think I'd like a computer choosing when to change gears.

@isaactrockman4417 3 месяца назад

How does a 7 speed coaster brake bike work??

@madisondeans5566 4 месяца назад

Loved my lime,great commuter,just couldn't or wouldn't work on it! Gave up to an ex,and she sold it,wish I'd kept it,it was fun to ride!! Good luck finding used ones,tough to find!!

@jefffixesit60 3 месяца назад

Cool idea that probably works ok in flat country. If the controller ever quits, it would probably be easy to retrofit a RevoShift 3spd shifter to keep it going. Those 3spd hubs are nearly indestructible, like the old Sturmey-Archer AW 3spd hub. I have one of those from '73, still racking up miles every week. I love what you're doing, keep up the good work 😁

@stevengagnon4777 3 месяца назад

We had thes available new for a long time ... there might still be a few left at the used and close out store. I'd see them being assembled long after going out of production. Good cruiser ! Quote " Stupidly worry free ". A good place to put a Marrathon plus back there.

@fid420 4 месяца назад

Wow. I love this and hate this all at once. It's like art.

@glen3509 4 месяца назад

Great use for that DiamondBack frame😁🤘🤘

@kevinfeeney5309 4 месяца назад

I'd just run the most puncture "proof" tires as possible to avoid roadside hassles. I run Panaracer Tourguard Plus on my Nexus 7 equipped Bianchi Milano and as soon as the current tires wear out on the 700c converted Fuji/Marlboro folder, they will be replaced with Schwalbe Marathon Plus.

@kevinfeeney5309 4 месяца назад

@ericsande5345 good to know, just in case I can't get either of the two I'm already used to.... thanks!

@PRH123 4 месяца назад

Good choice, that's just what I do on my single speed commuter. The schwalbes are very heavy, but when you leave the office at 9 at night and it's raining and 5 C. outside, you are very, very glad you have them. Secondary benefit is they roll really well, when you're up to speed they are very low resistance. And they last a long, long time. I used to replace cheaper tires once a year, I've had my current pair of Marathon Plus for 5 years now. So in the end you save a lot, despite their higher price.

@JackB-v2z 4 месяца назад

I have a recent yard sale find - an aluminum frame with coster brake - Trek custom cruiser . I was pondering whether I do a clunker , rat rod or even low rider . After the first ride , why fix what ain't broke . It has an amazing ride and comfort . And Hey ! It still looks cool.

@triplebutted 4 месяца назад

I had one of these in the stand recently! I thought the autoshift was pretty neat- but it was very polarizing in the shop.

@alextorresphoto 4 месяца назад

First time seeing or hearing about these! Wow. Very interesting. A test ride to see how it feels would be great!

@MadTeaParty5150 4 месяца назад

It's about time! I LUVVVV this bike!! May I please buy THAT one?!?! No Joke!!

@JogieGlenMait16 4 месяца назад

that is as complex as the sturmey archer hub in my dahon folding bike. i needed new parts for it but i had to be creative to maintain it after a cable change.

@Robert_Thomas832 4 месяца назад

Fantastic 😻 love the look and the techy shifting with no brake levers. Cool video. Thanks

@burrussw 4 месяца назад

Interesting, a couple months back I bought one of these for my wife, I was curious about the auto shift. I have a bit of experience with internal gear hubs and wanted to see how they integrated a Alfine type hub into an auto shift system. A month ago I found one for myself. The Lime is unique and I enjoy the oddball tech in some areas of cycling but I think the Lime may be suited to a different market than one found in the US. As far as you tube patching, I think you could have left the wheel on, get the tire off the rim, find the hole patch it, and be on with it. I thought you were going to adjust the shifting or something but not need. Speaking of shifting you may want to cover in a short video how the servo in the "computer box" can be adjusted so that the shifts come at different speeds (I read a document that claimed, factory setting was to shift at 8 and 11 MPH). Did you happen to measure the rear dropouts? Anyway, you say you may want to buy a few of these for you shop, mine is for sale and I am just down the road

@christopherwebb3517 4 месяца назад

I, for one, welcome our new three speed automatic robot overlords...

@david78212 4 месяца назад

I used to data processing for a company that sold the “Auto-Bike”, it used weights and centrifugal force to shift a derailleur. It actually worked pretty decent, just don’t ever leave it outside in the rain, it was a nightmare to get working again. The parent company gave a bunch of us one for free, I never would have spent the money to buy one. It was a decent working gimmick, but it was still a gimmick.

@remenschenfresser 3 месяца назад

Just imagining myself doing roadside flat repair on this thing in the rain gave me cold.

@nicholas920us 4 месяца назад

I worked in a Chicago bike shop for years and I remember going to the Trek World conference when this bike came out and Trek had a huge group Lime ride through Madison. The bike was really fun to ride, among my other bikes, I had a 3-speed cruiser at the time that I used to bar hop in Chicago... I preferred the cruiser with the nexus 3 because of the style and fenders, but the lime was so light and fresh looking... trek just focused on selling stupid color-match accesory bits rather than fenders and commuter accesories ... or chasing the euro city bike trends that were flooding the city at the time... the bike was basically dead in the water in our shop. I think shimano pulled the plug on the "cruise" shifting tech after trek bombed this product release.

@Donovangulya 4 месяца назад

I see them all the time on marketplace for like 50 bucks never knew about the auto shift hub pretty sweet.

@tommyb2129 4 месяца назад

Really like the dynamo self powered feature. I want one! ...and a 50 pound Raleigh Superbe Dawn Tourist for both ends of the 3 speed spectrum!

@missionoutdoorsITM 2 месяца назад

That'd be a good candidate for those self sealing slime tubes.🚲

@WaltJubal 4 месяца назад

I was going to email this, but the 'about' link on your youtube isn't there. I wanted to say, having been a bicycle mechanic (at a local co-op shop recently, and prior to that, some 40 years ago at another shop), that I love these videos. Being naturally sarcastic (me), your style is just up my alley. In my most recent stint at the co-op shop, we were a teaching shop. People bring bikes in, and we'd teach them how to do repairs and maintenance. I'm finding that almost all of your processes are identical to what I'd tell people. (The only notable difference is I tend to grease the inside of cable housings instead of TriFlow'ing them. Other wise, keep up the great work, and anyone that doesn't like your style, well.... They're wrong, and you're right :-)

@TZerot0 4 месяца назад

Bike seems really cool on paper, I really dont like how it looks. something about the metal dome hubs is giving retro 50s vibes that the rest of the bike doesnt share.

@isaiahwelch8066 4 месяца назад

Honestly, I'd take all the parts off of that Trek frame and put them all on a cruiser frame, like Huffy's "Perfect Fit" frame. Get it looking good in two-tone gloss black + dark silver, with bright chrome accents, and that bike would look like it rolled off the line in 1955.

@mitmon_8538 4 месяца назад

Yeah, I wish these came out about 5-ish years later. I was working at a bike shop that specialized in Treks when the Lime came out, but I was still in my bike racing phase. I recognized the utility and robustness of this bike, but if a bike wasn't lighter than 25 lbs, it didn't make sense to me. Oh, to be young and dumb again...

@christopherwebb3517 4 месяца назад

I remember seeing a lot of infomercials in the late 90s or early 00s for an automatic transmission bike that used weights that would slide up and down the spokes of the rear wheel, and those weights would move the gears up or down as you sped up or slowed down. I guess the idea never caught on, because I never actually saw one in the wild.

@EliTheEnlightened 3 месяца назад

I feel like tubeless would be a good idea on these bikes. I’ve never tried unseating a tire on the bike but I feel like it might be possible to do so just to top up your sealant every so often.

@PRH123 4 месяца назад

Clever system. Would be cool to see it built into a light aluminum frame, with seatpost - stem - bars - seat correspondingly light. And fenders. You know, something a commuting cyclist might ride :)

@bkefrmr 4 месяца назад

It’s definitely a light bike and fenders can be added

@YerDad632 4 месяца назад

I had one of those! I know you’re in WI, but there were many brands that ran the coasting drivetrain at that point. And Giant did a good job making that bike for Trek! 😂😂

@6479rob 4 месяца назад

Looks a lot like a small mini bike setup there are normally tolerances for chain tightness. Not really bad just more work than your used to pretty good quality.

@Kelekona_808 4 месяца назад

I've never seen these, but now at least if I do I'll have an idea of how it's supposed to work. Doubt I'd remember how to get the wheel off and on though.

@ericbiro1537 4 месяца назад

Great video. Thanks for sharing.

@charlesphelps2730 4 месяца назад

You're right, You would never use this bike for a leisurely ride on a rough trail such as the C&O Canal. Too much work just to change a flat. It looks intimidating.

@WaltJubal 4 месяца назад

I too never knew this Trek line existed. I have to think I'd change a couple of things imediately. Get rid of the stupid auto shift, if you want a bullet proof internial geared wheel, go with a Nexus, and the silly looking dome covers over the wheel nuts.... So, take the basics of what Trek did, change it into a manual 3 speed, or fixed.... and off ya go.

@MaciejNaumienko 4 месяца назад

For a bike innovation this must have been quite a radical one. Too bad the tire change looks like nightmare in field conditions

@MHH3180 4 месяца назад

If it were belt drive, it would be the ultimate torque sensing mid-drive conversion. Flats happen so seldom any more, it isn't bad and still nothing near as awful as any hub motor fat tire e-bike.

@StayZero556 4 месяца назад

If tubeless wasn’t such a pain for the riders this bike is intended for, that would probably be the way to go.

@daveclark8788 4 месяца назад

I think that's more complicated and time consuming than changing a rear flat on my Brompton! I say 'I think' because I've never had a flat in nearly four plus years of owning it, bought new with Schwalbe Racer tires...go figure. And yeah, never knew of the Lime, but I want one.

@mikem3695 4 месяца назад

I think this bike would have sold better without the auto shift. Three speed hub shifters are simple and allow you to control shifting. The dynamo should power lights.

@WheelcraftBicycles 4 месяца назад

One of the guys who works at my bike shop owns two!

@exothermal.sprocket 4 месяца назад

Certainly a lot of to-do mechanism in that old single-speed bicycle hub and axle. Simple however. Wasn't designed to climb 30% grades or stop at the bottom of a mountain after reaching 50 mph. I remember using, beating, wearing out the old 1-speed 20-inch bicycles in my childhood. Only brake was turning pedals backward. Only speed was my legs. Only hill climbing was my legs. The limitations were great, but I didn't expect to do more than the bike or my legs could accomplish. Simplicity.

@RobertRaymundo 4 месяца назад

Wish you can encounter a TREK R200 too

@sameoldcircus 4 месяца назад

I would use that go get into the society of three speeds

@MrtyMrtn 4 месяца назад

You talked me into one...

@jimihendrix731 4 месяца назад

This is the kind of flat I would just repair with sealant.

@spitt0110 4 месяца назад

For a hot minute during the pandemic I almost got one to put bull horns on it doing some crazy mods. and while working at Budget, yes that one. We tried to up the cool factor on them by putting flat bars and colorful grips. sorry not sorry. and as of 2023 you could still go to budget and find some of the custom color kits.

@davidlambert5255 4 месяца назад

Do you like how the furniture polish works on matte finish bike?

@robbikunkle4700 4 месяца назад

But why does the generator hub not power integrated lights?

@cebruthius 4 месяца назад

Would have been a logical choice for a design where convenience is prioritized. A shame.

@markfrisbie1587 4 месяца назад

Hey, you didn’t wash it down w Dawn and furniture polish and it looks like it would clean up really good!

@CreativeFishDesignsCharlotte 4 месяца назад

True art , and great design

@MHH3180 4 месяца назад

Yep, still not as tough as my 4 speed internal, coaster brake or my 7 speed roller cam

@christopherwinstone434 4 месяца назад

That was amazing. I never even knew that shifting system existed. It’s a great system and I wonder where it might have led to had Shimano continued its development or is the Nexus the outcome? Maybe someone can enlighten me..? 👍🏼

@PRH123 4 месяца назад

Nexus came long before this system. It's an addition to nexus. Probably a good market for it with city rental bikes, or e-bikes. As far as I've seen in many countries, most all city rental bikes have Shimano 3 speed nexus systems.

@christopherwinstone434 4 месяца назад

@@PRH123 Thank You 👍🏼

@lovemore4229 4 месяца назад

Would it be quicker to leave the wheel on to do the repair?

@yourlocaldoomer 4 месяца назад

15:03 I like to call em goo toobs

@N2YTA 4 месяца назад

Does that bike have the seat with the storage compartment in it?

@ronnythompson9115 3 дня назад

Ope - To many parts and to many tools needed to work on those wheels. They could have engineered that with less parts in a kind of snap together method

@davidkerschinske1565 4 месяца назад

I can't imagine how much you would have to charge to do a flat repair on one of these

@alanmoore9438 4 месяца назад

Imagine having to fix a puncture on this thing by the roadside in the rain.

@naromsky 4 месяца назад

Old Ope dropped another vid.

@deanblackwell2090 4 месяца назад

and I thought rear drive ebikes were a pain to remove the wheel ...... Wonder if one of those ebike tubes would work on this - the one that isn't a loop so you can replace the tube without removing the wheel

@jamesconroy7030 4 месяца назад

Just patch the tube without taking the wheel off (unless you're changing the tire too). Work smarter, not harder.

@tjohnson200 4 месяца назад

Need some solid tires on that thing.

@fid420 4 месяца назад

is there a hidden storage compartment under the saddle??

@MHH3180 4 месяца назад

If I come to pick it up, what would you charge me?

@greg1083 4 месяца назад

@shandermunizalvarado 4 месяца назад

I would tape the rims and try to go tubeless

@cebruthius 4 месяца назад

No fenders though?

@ClintDowd 4 месяца назад

I WANT THIS TOO!

@kevviekevvie 4 месяца назад

Be very gentle with that shifting actuator. It looked to me like you handled it roughly. It was dangling around by the control wire and the rubber boot was opened up. That looks like a spot water can get into. I'd be packing that boot joint with a dielectric grease in both directions. Overall the bike looks like a nice simple functional bike but the engineering is poor and could be improved. I think the English had it right the first time with the Sturmy Archer hubs.

@kentjoosten8149 4 месяца назад

lol. Cool unless you need to change a flat. No way. I count five tools needed not including levers. 😳

@PRH123 4 месяца назад

It takes me about 30 minutes to an hour to do at home, when I change from winter to summer tires and back. On my giant single speed with horizontal dropouts, drum brake, and fenders (so no shift cable). Would not be fun to do out on the road, especially at night. Which is one reason I use Schwalbe marathons, to make sure it never happens. (have had one flat in 5 years, knock on wood, but was able to patch the tube without removing the wheel)

@sotman53 4 месяца назад

Using solid tires will be the best option for this bicycle

@ddrewable Месяц назад

Just break the chain Am I right?

@613.Rooster 4 месяца назад

Cool

@grumpycyclist3319 4 месяца назад

I'll pass, thanks!

@julianwearne4967 4 месяца назад

*explains why it's such a geniusly designed product for a long while* *proceeds to show excruciating 23 step process to change flat tire*. Lol

@kevinp2891 4 месяца назад

I want to own one but never work on it.

@schrodingerthecat 4 месяца назад

How awful would that be if you got a flat a few miles from home? Good concept but I think that's why it failed.

@jltrack 4 месяца назад

Taking a wheel off that reminds me of the process of removing the rear wheel of 74’ Honda CB550…. Way too many bolts and parts for the average cyclist to lose

@FuchsHorst 4 месяца назад

Do you have SRAM/Sachs DualDrive hubs in the states? very common in Europe from the 90s to the mind 2010s

@PRH123 4 месяца назад

I think those have gone out of production. Sturmey Archer still make a 2-speed kickback shift hub, but you will never see it as original equipment on a bike. Only a few people who know what they are build them into wheels themselves.

@FuchsHorst 4 месяца назад

@@PRH123 Yes, it's out of production since 2018 but so is the Shimano auto shift hub shown in this video.

@mattgies 4 месяца назад

They're here, but they're very rare. I've only seen two of them.

@namebrandmason 3 месяца назад

Trek was clearly very proud of the Lime. I remember they even sold chainguard and “dome” body kits in different colors so one could customize their bike (last I checked Budget Bind Center in Madison still had a few floating around). Ultimately, I think it might be too thought out.

@dustyscrypt 4 месяца назад

I’m just getting into biking, and bought an older used Trek 6500 Alpha ZX in yellow, for $200 with a few upgrades from the previous owner. I really like the bike, but can’t find a whole lot of information on it. I’m not sure what I’m looking for, but just curious on others’ opinions on it, or can tell me anything else about it.