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Hills Are NOT Harder Than Cycling On The Flat (Says Science) 

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0:00 - Intro
0:53 - Simple Explanation
1:39 - The Limits To My Claim
2:17 - Why Hills Sometimes Feel Harder
4:24 - Understanding Mechanical Advantage
5:12 - How To Calculate The Steepest Hill You Can Climb
9:42 - How To Fit Low Gears To Your Bike
10:52 - One More Climbing Tip!
11:31 - Summary
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@Cyclingabout
@Cyclingabout 2 года назад
It took me *many* years to enjoy riding up hills! Like most people, I hated them... My first road bike was handed down to me as a young teen. It was an old steel racing bike with 53-42 tooth front chainrings and a 13-21 tooth cassette. I loved riding it because it felt so fast, but as soon as I got to a steep hill, I'd often need to get off and walk to the top. All along, I figured I just needed to get stronger, so I persisted with that vintage bike for years and years. But looking back, I was already super strong, I was already super light, and I was always up for a challenge. Why were hills so damn hard?! It wasn't until I truly understood mechanical advantage that I realised that hills were hard NOT because I was inadequate... but because I didn't have low enough gear ratios on my bike. 😅
@warrenyoung173
@warrenyoung173 2 года назад
Gearing is key, but the slope does affect your biomechanics. We lean over more and creep forward on the saddle to compensate.
@JD-dw3jp
@JD-dw3jp 2 года назад
Hills are harder because you're increasing the gravitational potential. Even at the same power output a hill will require more energy than flat ground. The same watts at a slower speed over a given distance means more energy. A simple way to think of it is having to maintain the same power but for a longer time (obviously harder).
@smasoumi6944
@smasoumi6944 2 года назад
At very low gear ratios I believe walking gives us the best mechanical advantage. An average person can walk at a speed of 4-5 km/h without any struggle and using muscles at comfortable rates of contraction/ relaxation cycles. I think that is why we naturally get off our bikes and walk when we see it is easier and not much slower to walk than to struggle and pedal 60 RPM to get the same speed.
@yengsabio5315
@yengsabio5315 2 года назад
11:55 At what specific conditions one will need such a lot of bike lights?
@jiffypangestu1688
@jiffypangestu1688 2 года назад
Did you ever put dual speed chainring 22-36 T on front crank, and put 10 speed cassete 11-46 on the back mechanical system? 🤣🤣 its so light until you think you can climb a coconut tree 🤣🤣👌
@pjay3028
@pjay3028 2 года назад
I completely agree, hills are definitely not harder than the flat......... (as long as they're downhill)!
@lakishaweaks9784
@lakishaweaks9784 2 года назад
U got that right
@hackerhacker3667
@hackerhacker3667 2 года назад
Lmao 🤣🤣🤣
@k8ganss908
@k8ganss908 2 года назад
Agreed
@akatgif
@akatgif 2 года назад
Hills are NOT mountains
@timothyedwards8329
@timothyedwards8329 2 года назад
@@akatgif mountains are just really big hills
@ItsEverythingElse
@ItsEverythingElse 2 года назад
Depends on how you define "harder". You are definitely expending more energy for the same distance covered.
@Qlicky
@Qlicky 2 года назад
It is harder however one looks at it.
@maeve615
@maeve615 2 года назад
aye. Slower speed also tends to bring in a factor of upper body fatigue from the increase in wobble to stay upright from the reduced gyroscopic force you normally have from faster moving wheels.
@kilroy1964
@kilroy1964 2 года назад
@@maeve615 Yes, but no it's not do to gyroscopic force.
@kilroy1964
@kilroy1964 2 года назад
This bugged me too. He's talking about power output only. Obviously uphill requires more energy output.
@Meme_supplier
@Meme_supplier 2 года назад
but going downhill, you can cover more distance by using less energy. so its like youre storing up inertia by going uphill but can use that stored energy when you go downhill
@jamese8508
@jamese8508 Год назад
For really steep grades, where you are pedaling under 10 kph, why not just walk? There are a few benefits to doing so: 1) no more obsessing over super-wide drivetrains, 2) save your quads, 3) good opportunity to change position, stretch your legs, and work different muscle groups. I have done this on recent tours, even wearing MTB cleats. The loss in speed is small compared to the benefits, and once you factor in reduced muscle fatigue, you will probably gain mileage on the day. "Sending" big climbs can be fun, but it isn't mandatory.
@0xsergy
@0xsergy Год назад
Good moves. Bicycles want to roll downhill so pedalling up them is a constant fight with gravity.
@maxxsee
@maxxsee Год назад
@@0xsergy gravity origin=lie
@chupetaparamahboy
@chupetaparamahboy Год назад
i ride 40 kilometers to the steepest longest hill in my city, about a hour long 1 km climb without stopping, honestly even walking it would be difficult, and that's why i ride it 3 times a week. it's a fantastic work out that leaves me completely exhausted
@Gabriel-pt6tq
@Gabriel-pt6tq Год назад
I'm on my 2nd bike tour (the Alps ATM) & I push my bike sometimes. Its barely slower than riding up the steep climbs and I dont have to prove anything to anyone
@punkomattic89
@punkomattic89 Год назад
But the floor is lava...
@erdbeercraft6372
@erdbeercraft6372 Год назад
As a fixed gear rider I can say that inclines are definitely harder. :D
@HallucinatingHedgehogs
@HallucinatingHedgehogs Год назад
Yea I was looking for this comment. Is fixed gear riders with our non adjustable gear ratios are dying out here lol.
@andrewtateadvice4814
@andrewtateadvice4814 Год назад
I just switched over to a gear changing bike but I feel you bruv
@ThisIsArty
@ThisIsArty Год назад
highest gear for life
@dfcx1
@dfcx1 Год назад
The premise of this video is that it doesn't matter what speed you're going at anyway so why not just walk the bike? Just do it fast enough to hit the same power and there's no difference right!?
@mr.monitor.
@mr.monitor. 11 месяцев назад
It's true, but I swear a single speed is more fun somehow.
@Arctic2Noob
@Arctic2Noob 2 года назад
I'll remember this next time I'm struggling with a hill on my single speeder, thanks!
@BrotherlyLove12
@BrotherlyLove12 2 года назад
just take it slow
@dextruax4903
@dextruax4903 Год назад
@@BrotherlyLove12 cant on a single speed without dancing, which is more energy intensive
@deusexaethera
@deusexaethera Год назад
Or you could, y'know, get out of the stone age and equip a sprocket cassette and a derailleur.
@Arctic2Noob
@Arctic2Noob Год назад
@@deusexaethera no thanks, I want my bike bomb proof with as little moving parts as possible
@kyleclark2623
@kyleclark2623 Год назад
@@Arctic2Noob alright then don't bitch about hills.
@richeeg3271
@richeeg3271 2 года назад
Yes they are harder, even in easy gears. Because while going slow, between each pedal stroke you're slowing down a lot, which forces you to constantly accelerate, which consumes a lot of energy.
@alexandrevaliquette3883
@alexandrevaliquette3883 10 месяцев назад
Underrated comment. And scientifically more accurate than this video.
@ondrej7137
@ondrej7137 10 месяцев назад
its the same as air resistance while on flat
@alexandrevaliquette3883
@alexandrevaliquette3883 10 месяцев назад
Yep, the proper comparison would be hill vs flat + high wind.@@ondrej7137
@cameleonfleuri
@cameleonfleuri 10 месяцев назад
​​@@alexandrevaliquette3883Yes, climbing is way harder and yes you have to fight the fact that you are always slowing down. So I 100% agree with you!!!
@theemutsenfabriek
@theemutsenfabriek 9 месяцев назад
​@@ondrej7137which also sucks
@obiwon84
@obiwon84 2 года назад
I think a key factor is speed. Once you get to too low of gear ratios balancing adds a lot of extra energy in addition to riding.
@Dinty51
@Dinty51 4 месяца назад
And once you get slow enough where balancing is an issue, you CANNOT take a break or ease up. You have to keep going at that point
@Johnscompany
@Johnscompany 4 месяца назад
you finally ride more distance in theory, but if you dont need go so fast... the ride on a hill dont tired so much.
@RH-nk7eo
@RH-nk7eo 2 месяца назад
@@Dinty51If you're ever slow enough where balancing is an issue then you are likely not in the right gear / your bike doesn't have the right ratios. Barring the steepest of climbs any hill should be faster than walking speed.
@Dinty51
@Dinty51 2 месяца назад
@@RH-nk7eo that's just not true. I ride MTN bikes and there are plenty of hills where it's slower than walking and requires more effort. Even in cross country races, people get off and carry their bikes up really steep hills
@NaeMuckle
@NaeMuckle Месяц назад
As long as I'm moving even slightly then balance isn't even a thought. It's only when stopped that you need to worry about your balance
@mrmyorky5634
@mrmyorky5634 Год назад
60 years ago when I was a young apprentice engineer, our tutor used to tell us something very similar but in his case he was referring to using a hand held hacksaw to saw through a piece of steel 2 inches in diameter. His favourite saying was always - 'Let the saw do the work lads' Eventually we came to realise that this was true but only within certain parameters. One of these was the necessity to have already developed the muscles needed to accomplish the task comfortably. The second was to have developed the stamina needed to last out comfortably over the extended length of time needed. Despite our repeated requests though, he always declined to give us a practical demonstration.
@tightbootyhole707
@tightbootyhole707 7 месяцев назад
Classic tutoring behavior 👌
@hemmper
@hemmper 2 года назад
On very steep climbs, I've found that resting my biking muscles by using my walking muscles instead is a good idea. The speed won't be too different and I'm able to speed up more when the climb ends. Depending my condition and how steep the climb is.
@alexandrebeaudry1038
@alexandrebeaudry1038 Год назад
In cross country race i often pass racers walking and it give a good rest to my lower back pain.
@monsecko4792
@monsecko4792 Год назад
thus you exercise more efficiently
@dokilsaram6949
@dokilsaram6949 Год назад
Well for me, biking is sport. So I'm always exited if I get out of breath by climbing a steep hill At the end it will train ur heart and someday you won't get out of breath by that climb.
@4nz-nl
@4nz-nl Год назад
@@dokilsaram6949 It never gets easier. You just go faster ;)
@4nz-nl
@4nz-nl Год назад
@@alexandrebeaudry1038 Might be worth to visit a bikefitter. Or switch to a recumbent. Or both. :)
@Stoney3K
@Stoney3K 2 года назад
Short version: Hills are not harder than flats, just *slower* when you use the right gears.
@andrewnorris5415
@andrewnorris5415 2 года назад
Except in hot conditions where you lack the breeze for cooling. Which he explained well. I was in Wales recently bikepacking in the heatwave. The backroads are so steep. Was harder as I was hot. Love Wales, and plenty of streams to cool off in which can be a bonus in hilly terrain.
@user-fk8rb8ue5h
@user-fk8rb8ue5h 2 года назад
i know what you mean, it's the law of diminishing returns. Sometimes it is quicker to get off and push the thing. You can get gears so low that despite legs going around like mad you can fall off the bike.
@TheRealSamPreece
@TheRealSamPreece 2 года назад
I mean, it is literally harder when the force of 'gravity' exists.
@novaardent4528
@novaardent4528 2 года назад
slower, and therefor take longer, and are therefore harder. Besides most of us probably don't have the gear ratio to account for 10-15% to make it feel like flat.
@smitajky
@smitajky 2 года назад
@@andrewnorris5415 I have plenty of gears. My lowest is 22 tooth front and 34 rear so that isn't an issue. But I saw the heat issue on a Great Vic bike ride. We were climbing up to Beechworth and had a slight tail wind. The day was warm but not too hot. Low 30C temperatures. But the slight tail wind meant that relative to the bikes there was ZERO breeze. Many suffered from heat stress. In some cases they weren't fit to start the next day. I had experienced the conditions before so at some time I decided to stop, sit in the shade and have a drink. Fully refreshed I continued without ill effects.
@chrisl.6158
@chrisl.6158 Год назад
Living in the Austrian alps and cycling uphill pretty much always in the lowest gear I gotta say, climbing IS harder than cycling on flat terrain. 😄 But it's actually what I'm going for. I find it harder to push myself to the limit without elevation gain. After a tough climb I feel much better. Climbing is a challenge, and a challenge is fun!!!
@timkarcher6724
@timkarcher6724 5 месяцев назад
Yes saying it’s not is stupid
@andywomack3414
@andywomack3414 3 месяца назад
More fun with an e-bike.
@mreese8764
@mreese8764 3 месяца назад
Yeah. I don't want to speed around at 50 kph and risk crashes. Going uphill is better.
@hen-rex
@hen-rex 2 года назад
Having watched the video, and having had A-level physics in high school and briefly at university, I still don't quite grasp how science says it is not harder to bike uphill. Power is a measure of energy expenditure per unit time. As you gear down going uphill, you will move less distance at the same power output. Thus, moving equidistant uphill would take longer time than on a flat surface. Total energy = Power x time. This means that the determining factor is the total time taken given constant Power output. As you spend more time going uphill = total energy expenditure is bigger. This also makes intuitive sense. Additionally, human muscles are not machines. The metabolism and chemical release of power from the muscles is to some extent time-constrained. Thus, spending more time going uphill WILL feel harder the longer it takes, even at lower power outputs. The muscles WILL break down more spending more time under constant load. Muscle recovery from long periods of stress WILL take longer. It just is, factually, objectively, scientifically, HARDER to go uphill, even with correct gear ratios, compared to going on a flat surface. I would argue that the title and content in this video is not only misleading, but actually FALSE.
@CarlNiemi
@CarlNiemi 2 года назад
I mean there's also the basic fact that you're moving from a lower elevation to a higher one which by default increases your potential energy (not sure if that's the correct English term), so you have to add more energy into the system than if you traveled horizontally. Pretty sure we can't defy the laws of physics by switching gears
@erumaaro6060
@erumaaro6060 2 года назад
I believe what he calls "harder" is the power requirement increasing. Which is a bit weird since not only he does explain the gears, - which is the main point of a mountain-bike, if not all bikes - but he assumes from the beginning that the rider puts out constant power. What DOES make it harder is that the total effort per distance increases, (unless there are downhill sections) and the fact that you have to work for a longer period of time. Both are less of a problem as fitness and experience increases, so I can only describe this video as: "Get good. You guys don't even get physics." And yes, I am triggered. I expected advise from a pro, and what i get is an explanation of gear ratios (aka kindergarden physics), a giant formula thrown into my face without explanation (I assume he is "calculating" drag and friction, which he is better off measuring, imho), and the advice to go slower and manage my effort because it's gonna take longer... F for "effort".
@kosskrit
@kosskrit 2 года назад
Well it depends on your definition of "harder". In physics, hardness has nothing to do with mechanics (it is unit of surface hardness eg Brinell, Vickers, Rockwell). In video, he assumes power output constant. In order to not exhaust yourself, you have to change gear ratios so that your optimal cadence remains same. Then: Power = (Force * Crank_length) * Cadence and thus Force = Power /(Crank_length*Cadence) = constant. Which means same amount of stress in your muscle. If you have got 1 hour to ride (after job for example) it doesn't matter if you are living in hilly area or not. The only thing that changes is distance travelled but your legs will burn the same. If your constrain is distance like you said, than it will take more time in hilly are and more energy: E=P*t (kWh). However the effort in terms of power output remains the same. For me personally, distance is irrelevant therefore I agree with the video. For those, who are 'suckers for distance' yes, it is harder to travel up hill for same amount of time and distance but that's nothing new. To be honest, It takes a lot of effort and time to fully understand physics so that noone can surprise you.
@lettersquash
@lettersquash 2 года назад
No, he's right and you're perhaps misunderstanding. Power is energy expended per time, as you say. I think CYCLINGABOUT simply failed to explain what he probably thought was obvious, that you have to accept not going as far in the same time. It is obvious to anyone who's tried it, because you go slower up hills. If you switch from "per time" to "per distance" (as you did), it is "harder" in the sense that you have to expend more energy (same power for longer), but it can be "just as easy" in the moment if you slow down. The lower gear is the way to keep an ideal cadence and go slower (according to general biking theory - I also think getting into a high gear and pedaling slowly standing up is a great way to take hills). And the "increasing potential energy" objection isn't a separate problem - it's the reason it takes more energy to go the same distance in the first place. It's like saying, "Oh, and then there's GRAVITY."
@patrickshoemaker6047
@patrickshoemaker6047 2 года назад
I agree. I don't hate the video, but this is overly simplified and could be considered slightly insulting to anyone who's ever ridden serious hills. If hills weren't more demanding than why even go through the mountains in huge bike races like the tour de France?
@TheSandrozeneger
@TheSandrozeneger 2 года назад
nevertheless the gear, you ultimately need a lot more energy to cover the same distance on a hill than in a flat road.
@mikeznel6048
@mikeznel6048 2 года назад
Exactly. He's just twisting words. No matter how you word it, it takes more energy to go up an incline than it does to ride on flat ground.
@TheGugu93
@TheGugu93 2 года назад
Yep, the gear thing was just exaggerate, obviously many cyclists, especially road cyclist, don't have low enough gears, but in general it's all a question of weight and speed, generally you tend to push harder uphill, while on the flat that doesn't happen so often
@andrewlucas246
@andrewlucas246 2 года назад
Yep, sure was a lot of twisting on his part to justify a clickbait title. How about "With correct technique gears can make hills easier to climb! (says science)"
@edzgt5243
@edzgt5243 2 года назад
Well hills are easier because your going slower there is less wind resistance, the extra effort you put in is turned into gravitational potential, so it's not wasted
@andrewlucas246
@andrewlucas246 2 года назад
I have two bike routes for you. You can use whatever gear range you wish. One is perfectly flat for 10km. The other climbs 1000m in the first 5km then goes all the way back down in the next 5km. The distance travelled is based off the rotation of the wheel, and not measured horizontally. If the gravitational potential energy is stored and then released for the downhill then they should be the same right? But we both know that one is quicker, and takes less power and energy to complete. In reality the gravitational potential energy is constantly pushing the cyclist back down as he tries to climb for every moment he's on a slope. 9.81m/s/s for them to overcome for the hour or so it takes to hit the peak. At the top of the hill he has gravitational potential energy to roll down the other side, yes. But it's not like some battery that stores all the power he had to put in to get up there. he might as well have teleported there. All he has is 9.8m/s/s for the 5 minutes or so it takes to get him down the other side of the hill. As for wind resistance why not go slow on the flats too- you won't lose as much to wind there either. In fact why not just sit there and do nothing? No wind resistance, no gravitational potential energy to worry about. Perfect.
@GK-zr9cq
@GK-zr9cq 2 года назад
One further factor to consider is higher momentum at higher speed. The power application to the pedals at speed is more like a 'tap' on the downstroke, whereas uphill, power needs to be applied more evenly all around. If you didn't apply even pressure you'd slow down between each pedal rev. Perhaps this simply means that riding uphill is different rather than harder.
@Heimbasteln
@Heimbasteln Год назад
Oh yeah, without click pedals it really sucks to cycle uphill very steep grades (over 20%) in very small gears because you almost stop between each push, but walking up also suchs because its so steep and you have to push your bike
@defeqel6537
@defeqel6537 Год назад
And another factor is that slowing down by changing gear makes you work harder to maintain balance
@extraincomesuz
@extraincomesuz Год назад
Something else you might want to know, there is a "sweet spot" when out of the saddle leaning forward that makes your legs straight on the pedals so it's the same as walking uphill. If you find this sweet spot, you can ride up easily as long as you are fit enough to walk up a hill at a steady pace.
@Thezuule1
@Thezuule1 Год назад
Being a distance runner helps me with the hills for sure. There's no soft pedaling or coasting when you're running so the idea of a sustained effort over the course of a long period of time is something I've trained for off the bike.
@AlkisT
@AlkisT 2 года назад
Sure, if we define difficulty as just how hard you push to go up, you could simplify losses enough to claim it's not harder. However, time and distance always matter. The fact that you go a shorter distance for your energy expenditure is most people's definition of difficult. Yes, being over-geared makes it harder because you have to sustain a higher effort than you would be otherwise but once that is eliminated you *still* will have traveled a shorter distance. I see in other comments that you have deliberately removed time and distance from the equation to make your point but that really degrades the quality of the argument. You could have addressed over-gearing without forcing particular definitions of difficulty and that is a shame in my view, as there is some very good information in there.
@mondotv4216
@mondotv4216 2 года назад
But time and distance are the psychological barriers he was referring to. They aren’t physical hurdles.
@EverettSnieder
@EverettSnieder Год назад
​@@mondotv4216 Time and distance are physical barriers.
@Aubreykun
@Aubreykun Год назад
@@mondotv4216 Higher speeds also provide an air-cooling effect on the rider. At low speeds this benefit is lost. He addressed this but didn't elaborate on how important it is.
@SmallSpoonBrigade
@SmallSpoonBrigade Год назад
@@Aubreykun And that's an incredibly important detail. A significant amount of the energy that's burned while exercising is lost to temperature management. It's why that bit about it taking the same energy to walk a mile as run feels so wrong. It feels wrong because it only takes into consideration the physical moving over the distance, not the effort that goes into maintaining a livable body temperature. In fact, you'd get more or less the same energy burn just taking a hot, or cold, bath as your body works to keep itself at a reasonable temperature.
@Aubreykun
@Aubreykun Год назад
@@SmallSpoonBrigade Yea I double checked the data from Bicycling Science and only 25% of generated power goes to the pedals, the rest is a mix of the remaining body processes (like.. brain activity lol) and just pure heat.
@BartoszDziura
@BartoszDziura 2 года назад
Well... at
@ninjasownpirates
@ninjasownpirates Год назад
I feel that. At a certain point of grade, even if I have gears left, my average 170-200w isn't fast enough to keep the bike stable. I then have to either grind it out and potentially run out of gas on a longer ride or choose to save myself by taking the walk of shame.
@BartoszDziura
@BartoszDziura Год назад
​@@ninjasownpirates I see no shame in walking, especially uphill at low speeds when it is actually the more energy efficient thing todo. You need no extra energy to stand in place on an incline but on a bike you actually need to fight the gravity trying to roll the wheel backwards.
@Bonky-wonky
@Bonky-wonky Год назад
Very interesting and quite in line with what I’ve always felt. The cut off for me would be around 14-17% grades as you really start to feel gravity trying to pull you down, making it feel like you are battling gravity instead of just keeping the bike going. This actually makes them a lot more rewarding than slogging up an endless climb that’s a lot mellower, I’d prefer a short 20+ degree climb over a long 10% one any day.
@yppahpeek
@yppahpeek 2 года назад
That last piece of advice was so on point "Ease up and measure your effort". I try to stop myself panicking on a hill and just take it easy. I'm not a racing cyclist, just a tourer. And I'm totally going to use your tools for measuring max output etc. Thanks
@DylanJohnsonCycling
@DylanJohnsonCycling 2 года назад
Yup, most people smash it up the climb, coast the descent and hardly pedal on the flat, hence they think hills are harder. If you have a power meter try doing your next ride at the same power whether you are on a climb, flat or descent. Your perception of what is easiest and hardest will be flipped with descents being hardest to maintain power on and climbs being the easiest. Climbs aren’t harder, you’re just riding them harder.
@Cyclingabout
@Cyclingabout 2 года назад
I've watched a whole bunch of your videos, Dylan - they're always really well done. Thanks for what you do! 🥂
@chrisprice5806
@chrisprice5806 2 года назад
you should because of the drag on the desent stealing speed. a hilly profile robs time from forcing over-cruise speeds on desent clarification: you should put extra power in the climb because you will need it because the desent is aero-lessefficent and presumably you wanna get to the destination at the same speed as if the effort was flat(and you could employ an optimal drag/cruise)
@seanmccuen6970
@seanmccuen6970 2 года назад
+1
@chrisprice5806
@chrisprice5806 2 года назад
you are wrong
@xizarbaks7382
@xizarbaks7382 2 года назад
what do you meen with not harder ? zhen you need much more energi to climb than you ride on flat it is harder. Of course it is easy when you climb like tertle. if you ride about 25km it is ok but you will never climb a hill at the same spead. did you whatch the 'tour de france' or something like that? why they climb slowly?
@CaffeinatedCode
@CaffeinatedCode 2 года назад
In my experience a long hilly ride drains me a lot more than a long flat ride. Your average speed decreases and you spend longer in the saddle
@philspencelayh5464
@philspencelayh5464 2 года назад
I can ride on the flat as long as I want, up hills make me knackered doesn't matter what gear!
@badass6656
@badass6656 2 года назад
Most people ride uphill with more power than on the flats. The vid suggests going slower though this is not emphasised. If you do not increase your power and cadence stays the same maths will tell you, you need to be going much slower uphill.
@dewiz9596
@dewiz9596 2 года назад
@@badass6656 Indeed. As an aging TimeTrialist, I’ve NEVER been able to put out the same power on flats and descents as I manage on a climb.
@alexus267
@alexus267 2 года назад
Exactly, when he's showing a calculator you can see he goes from 27kph on flat down to 5kph on 10% grade. It's not emphasized enough indeed. As a lazy leisure twice-a-year cyclist I find maintaining 27kph on flat just as hard as cycling up 10% grade, which kinda confirms the point.
@CaffeinatedCode
@CaffeinatedCode 2 года назад
@@alexus267 makes sense
@angelo0698
@angelo0698 Год назад
Once you've lost your speed, it'll be harder to recover(which is ought to happen because it is harder to rest with lower power output as gravity is against you thus requiring a certain amount of speed, else you will loose balance uphill). And recovering your speed requires a lot more energy uphill than on flat roads.
@4nz-nl
@4nz-nl Год назад
If you need rest, you either need to train more (inexperienced riders often pause pedaling) or you're going too hard. Or both. I'm already teaching my kid this: If it feels easy NOW, don't go faster! It'll become harder once you get further up the hill. Relax, maintain your cadence and if you can't, don't power up but gear down.
@kennethpaquin8574
@kennethpaquin8574 Год назад
I get that I can increase my gear ratio by having a super large rear cog and keeping my comfortable cadence and accepting a slower speed, but what is the gear ratio which translates to a slower speed than dismounting and walking the bike.
@michaelhartmann1285
@michaelhartmann1285 Год назад
At one point the narrator mentions just under 4 kph, which is about 2.5 mph. That is a pretty slow walk, no matter how steep the hill.
@HansPeter-qg2vc
@HansPeter-qg2vc 2 года назад
The air cooling really is what I'm missing when climbing.
@alexanderhetzel8271
@alexanderhetzel8271 2 года назад
This. Not overheating going up hill is the issue.
@TimpBizkit
@TimpBizkit 2 года назад
@@alexanderhetzel8271 yeah it's like being in a gym. I always sweat more because I'm not actually moving anywhere.
@4nz-nl
@4nz-nl Год назад
Funny. I ride (faired) recumbents and don't have problems with this... but I hate Zwift for this exact reason (even with a big fan).
@4nz-nl
@4nz-nl Год назад
@@TimpBizkit Refill what you leak out and it's not a problem ;)
@vasiliansotirov6976
@vasiliansotirov6976 2 года назад
Yes, IMO they ARE harder! Even though you have bigger torque, climbing a hill doesn't store your intertia like riding on a flat. You lose a lot more speed between the strokes (Just like the pistons at top and bottom dead center on an Internal Combustion Engine). You mentioned that you have to pedal at least 60 rpms to overcome that but when you ride on a flat road you are not required to do. The fact that you can climb the hill with the same power with lower gear and slower doesn't mean it isn't harder. You trade speed for time. As with everything on this planet when you can't put any more energy (or don't want to) into something to do it fast you can do it with less energy but slower!
@DCmac
@DCmac 2 года назад
the part about inertia is 100% correct. you will always be forced to do more work when accounting for the force of gravity in between pedal strokes.
@4nz-nl
@4nz-nl Год назад
If you are below 60 rpm on the flat, you're relying a lot on muscle and too little on your cardiovascular system. Training for higher cadence will make it easier to keep going for days & days. I ride short cranks (150mm and 155mm, for multiple reasons), on normal rides I stick to about 90 rpm average. Max effort you'll find me at 110-115 for up to about 2 hours.
@kkisokay
@kkisokay Год назад
I think that by "harder", he means that your heart rate will be higher and you'll be gasping for breath.. I do cycling for fun and to reach scenic places and mountain tops, I'm willing to camp over night and/or take several breaks to get to my destination, so time is not of high priority in my case
@absolute___zero
@absolute___zero Год назад
when riding up hill you start accumulating potential energy. this effort you put in climbing is converted to potential energy (that's how they call it in physics) , later this stored energy can be converted to kinetic energy by riding down hill somewhere. There is absolutely no loss in going uphill. (note: only if you go up hill on wheels, not so if you do it by walking, if you walk your loss in potential energy is big)
@RichardMooreAndJulieMoore
@RichardMooreAndJulieMoore Год назад
Thanks for this video, it has changed how I approach hill riding and allowed me to go much further on hilly rides. Making sure you keep a constant cadence is the key.
@Cyclingabout
@Cyclingabout Год назад
Great to hear!
@PierceThirlen2
@PierceThirlen2 Год назад
I found that I was actually able to pedal harder and longer after I switched from 175mm to 170 mm cranks. There is more to the equation than just calculating the mechanical advantage of the cranks.
@tktspeed1433
@tktspeed1433 Год назад
Yeah, it would make sense if you think as each push as a mini one legged squat. You can squat more when your squats are more shallow, and a shorter crank makes for shallower squats
@NeilMarcellini
@NeilMarcellini 2 года назад
The title should be “Hills are not harder than flat if you go slow”
@johnneville403
@johnneville403 2 года назад
Agree. This actually makes sense.
@Laf-Adventures
@Laf-Adventures 2 года назад
Yeah this is a dumb topic. It’s obviously harder to go up and that’s why you use an easier gear.
@rezilla1
@rezilla1 2 года назад
@@Laf-Adventures If it's a dumb topic what does that say about the majority of cyclists who take hills way too hard? I prefer to think of it as an advanced topic 😀
@rommiemex9532
@rommiemex9532 2 года назад
But they are harder. Even if you go slow.
@elonif4125
@elonif4125 2 года назад
@@rommiemex9532 if you think that you have to go slower on the hills or faster on the flats
@TenSapphires
@TenSapphires 2 года назад
Hills are not hard to ride, they are hard to ride fast. I agree with most things you said, I had my second bike with triple chainrings (44-32-22) and 11-32 cassete and never find a climb I couldn't go up. Triple chainrings are so underrated (and cheap ;) )
@gergoolle5773
@gergoolle5773 2 года назад
I find 22-32 (front), 11-36(back) is the sweep spot. I got enough speed by 32-11 and enough climb as well, without the 3rd chainring in return I got a better looking bike and a cassette which wears more even.
@Pabl0_88
@Pabl0_88 2 года назад
I have to agree with the triple chainrings
@markifi
@markifi 2 года назад
i have a granny gear on my road bike. dorky, but quiet chain while climbing is blissful. (old ultegra)
@fuedaseoyt
@fuedaseoyt 2 года назад
I've been saying this for years. Not every cyclist is trying to go as fast as they possible can or are ultra fit "amateur professionals". Some of us just want to go for a ride and enjoy it. In my case, I like touring. I don't see ONE single reason why I should prefer 2x or 1x. Gosh, If I could have 4x I would.
@Dflyguy420
@Dflyguy420 2 года назад
3x suckssss
@allnoyz7895
@allnoyz7895 2 года назад
This is really good stuff. I'm no super bike guy, but I do remember as a teenager there was this hill that everybody would walk their bikes up...I really hated that. Then dad got me some type of 10-speed shifting thing...and I found I could just take it easy and ride up the hill without much problem. It was an epiphany for me. And, now you're talking exactly about it... Thanks...
@fredderf6208
@fredderf6208 Год назад
Just stumbled upon this video. This is very helpful, and thanks for pointing out the resources too. I’m older and struggle with long climbs. I also live in a region where we experience strong headwinds almost daily. Some days I feel like the wind is worse than the climbs.
@dualsport-travelercom
@dualsport-travelercom 2 года назад
Mathematical correct, I am sure. But by going 5km/h instead of 25 km/h you spent 5x more time for the same distance going uphill.... that costs you 5x more power. So for a trip the statement is not correct.... I enjoy a negative climb any time, though *lol*
@somerandomguywastaken
@somerandomguywastaken 2 года назад
He kind of neglects the extra energy you quite literally have to put in for the gravitational potential energy you gain.
@garethrobinson2275
@garethrobinson2275 2 года назад
@@somerandomguywastaken That's not what he's getting at. He's really saying you don't need to beat yourself up going into the red on climbs because with the right gear ratio you are using the same power. This doesn't work so well mountain biking because like he said if it's rough increasing speed and power helps your balance plus momentum helps you up technical sections.
@somerandomguywastaken
@somerandomguywastaken 2 года назад
@@garethrobinson2275 but consistent with that logic, a 100 mile ride is no harder than a 10 metre ride if you don't go into the red. That doesn't make sense, same as the video
@Electronieks
@Electronieks 2 года назад
Time is not equal to power
@badass6656
@badass6656 2 года назад
Got him on a technicality.
@xxzmk
@xxzmk 2 года назад
Me: *sees 3km 12% hill and getting happy to mash the singlespeed road bike up there. Sometimes psychological effect is stronger than anything else. You just have to learn liking it.
@neutronshiva2498
@neutronshiva2498 2 года назад
Try 1km, but 25%. Wonder if you'll like it. To me it's hell.
@ernestorubio1295
@ernestorubio1295 2 года назад
@@neutronshiva2498 so why you do it?
@danielsasseville3699
@danielsasseville3699 2 года назад
You mean learning to walk with a rock in your shoes?
@davidburgess741
@davidburgess741 2 года назад
I ride fixed 48x18. 8% max. 3% common. Very flat around here, but you do learn to pace yourself. Riding slower uphill requires less Torque. Let the hill come to you. Downhill requires the opposite. Torque will be low, but rpms high. You will start to feel comfortable around both extremes and with a steady effort. Cardio and muscular. Constantly shifting energy systems. There is a limit of gearing though when you will roll backwards regardless of fitness.
@martingazdag7570
@martingazdag7570 2 года назад
@@davidburgess741 i ride fixed too! My fav spot is 3.77km long with an elevation of only 109 meters. Would be a good 2.5-3% if it didn't have a single 6-700 meter long almost flat part. 46/15, going up to 49/13 soon! Fixie climbs are some of the most rewarding feelings ⚡
@awaitingthetrumpetcall4529
@awaitingthetrumpetcall4529 Год назад
Excellent video. I'm 69 and I ride on a paved trail and I absolutely love it. I constantly shift gears to keep my leg pressure on the crank fairly constant. It doesn't take long to feel muscle burn if I am in a gear that's too low.
@seanfromthemid
@seanfromthemid 6 месяцев назад
As a long-distance cyclist, can confirm. Flats with a headwind are the worst. Uphills tend to shelter you from wind and give you back most of the added energy later. Worst 8 hours of my cycling life were an 8 hour flat with 50kph headwind, 500 km into an 800k. Was praying to get to the upcoming 3000m hill.
@shtdontstank
@shtdontstank 2 года назад
There is no free lunch. For the same effort you go slower
@robertopics
@robertopics 2 года назад
So they are harder then???
@andrewnorris5415
@andrewnorris5415 2 года назад
You sound like a remainer talking about Brexit, "You cannot have your cake and eat it, impossible!" Sorry, could not resist.
@cristibaluta
@cristibaluta 2 года назад
@@robertopics Yes, it will be harder to finish the same distance
@jaketaylor5686
@jaketaylor5686 2 года назад
@@andrewnorris5415 some of us just like brown people
@itIsI988
@itIsI988 2 года назад
Lower ratios can't defeat the laws of physics. In order to fight gravity, you need to burn more energy to cover the same distance...
@appa609
@appa609 2 года назад
"Hills are not harder than flats" *Rides at 30/51*
@Vanadium
@Vanadium 2 года назад
Try riding 25% for a km with that combo on loose surface. Hard as fk.
@davidparker8475
@davidparker8475 2 месяца назад
Absolutely the best detail for how to climb hills on You Tube! The online tools referenced are awesome.
@rebekahmaulsby3756
@rebekahmaulsby3756 Год назад
So much of hills in the mental aspect of it! This is a super encouraging video- I just realized I have a fear of hills and shouldn't!!!! Thanks, Mate!
@michaeljones4433
@michaeljones4433 2 года назад
Ha, except going up a hill I have to work against gravity, regardless of the gear or mechanical advantage. You gain potential energy every meter you climb at the rate of E=mgh. Every 100kg you move up 100m costs you 98kJ regardless of what gear you use or what shirt you wear.
@somerandomguywastaken
@somerandomguywastaken 2 года назад
Word, this video is actually pointless. Guy needs to revisit high school physics before making this video
@thenamen935
@thenamen935 2 года назад
The video completely ignores the aspect of time. Yes you need way less force going up a hill but you have to keep inputting the needed power (in his example 150W) for a longer time -> so you use a lot of more energy whilst still applying the same force.
@Dave_the_Dave
@Dave_the_Dave 2 года назад
He'd probably argue that 1) on flat you are mostly working against air resistance and rolling resistance, and those losses may be reduced while going slower up a hill and 2) that you get that energy back in kinetic energy going downhill. Of course that would be rubbish since you can't usually accelerate freely downhill and recoup the energy loss. Using the brakes so that you don't crash going down hill means you throw away your kinetic energy as heat. Furthermore air resistance increases as the cube of velocity, so the faster you going downhill the more energy you waste in air resistance. The best case is you go up a shallow grade with wind at your back and go downhill on a long straight (so brakes aren't used) at a shallow grade (so you don't go too fast and create too much air resistance).
@flyingsquirrel2620
@flyingsquirrel2620 2 года назад
@@Dave_the_Dave Air resistance increases as the square of velocity, but the power you need to maintain a certain speed increases with the velocity cubed, as you multiply the air resistance with the velocity.
@AntiKorsanTR
@AntiKorsanTR 2 года назад
Applying 150watts on a flat is no different to applying 150watts on a hill. If your output is 150watts, your effort will be same regardless. It doenst matter if you are gaining potential energy, your legs dont care. It is the power output.
@dhananjayn457
@dhananjayn457 Год назад
Thank you so much, I just found out that I can cycle through walls...thank you for teaching me the ultimate technique...I am currently working on cycling through ceilings, pls do make another tutorial like this explaining how to cycle through ceilings
@SJNaka101
@SJNaka101 24 дня назад
Okay so to break down what he's saying: You should be in a low enough gear on a hill such that you're expending the same amount of energy on the hill as on flat ground over *time.* He is not saying it takes the same amount of energy to climb the same distance of a hill as to ride on flat ground. It should just not really be more effort in a given time to climb compared to flat ground. If the lowest gear on your bike does not provide this equalization of effort, there's one of 3 problems 1. The hill is too steep 2. Your gears dont go low enough 3. You're too weak (git gud) You cannot change the steepness of a hill, but there are ways to improve the other 2 problems.
@gonperes
@gonperes 2 года назад
I also love riding up hills and agree with your video arguments. Furthermore, riding uphill you get to appreciate better nature around you and listen and smell better as wel, when cycle touring. Going down feels nice, but everything happens too fast.
@andrewnorris5415
@andrewnorris5415 2 года назад
Aye. Nothing better than climbing to a nice view! Esp. if feel safe from traffic as well.
@mikeznel6048
@mikeznel6048 2 года назад
Applying the same theory, would it not be easier to ride flat ground in the same gear used to climb the incline then? So then in turn, it actually would be easier to ride flat ground, using a lower gear of course, instead of riding up an incline in that same gear? This video makes absolutely zero sense. We all know it's easier to pedal when in a lower gear. Basically all that was said is if you encounter a hill, down shift to a lower gear...
@farikkun1841
@farikkun1841 2 года назад
unless the truck are struggling climbing too and they rolling coal
@stevemercer6743
@stevemercer6743 2 года назад
There are some advantages to mountain riding. The road twists and winds around making it more interesting (e.g. rather than a long flat road where you can see kms ahead). Often the road is more scenic. There is normally more shade and trees. You are out of the wind. It can be cooler as you gain altitude. The traffic is less and slower. Finally, what goes up must go down. There is usually a nice downhill stretch to coast down.
@adammcdonagh915
@adammcdonagh915 Год назад
Absolutely AWESOME Vid! Im a novice at the moment, but your advice is making me an Expert!! Happy travels to you and Thankyou so much. 👍🏻
@dane4265
@dane4265 2 года назад
I've always loved cycling up hill, I come from Cambridgeshire where everything is flat, so at first it was a novelty, but the challenge and the views got me hooked.
@someguywitatie
@someguywitatie 2 года назад
Your velocity decreases though on a hill if your power remains constant, as you are now also overcoming the force of gravity in addition to the force of friction. If your power is defined as Power = Work/time, and Work = Force * displacement. Rearranging we can define Power = Force * velocity (P = F*v) or F = P/v. If you rearrange for v = P/F you can see if your power remains constant and your force increases your velocity would decrease. The amount of applied force is therefore increasing if your speed is decreasing and your power remains constant.
@laurensverheij921
@laurensverheij921 2 года назад
This is only true for force *at the wheel* The drivetrain with the gear ratios allow you to pedal with the same force as on a flat road.
@someguywitatie
@someguywitatie 2 года назад
@@laurensverheij921 And the rate at which your wheels spins is determines how far you move. You're still going slower for the same amount of work done, you can't cheat it. It perhaps might "feel" easier if you put your drive train in a high gear ratio, but you're going to be spending the same amount energy for what is a shorter distance traveled.
@laurensverheij921
@laurensverheij921 2 года назад
@@someguywitatie sorry didn't quite read your comment right, thought you were implying force at the pedals would be higher at the same power if youre going uphill. Its pretty obvious as the energy you put in gets converted to potential (height) energy as opposed to getting all converted to kinetic energy. And thus you go slower for the same energy input.
@-na-nomad6247
@-na-nomad6247 2 года назад
That's the trick, knowing that your power output, you play around with gearing and rpm to keep it keep the requirements at your level, i don't know how you call it in english but we say consistency, by maintaining a constant comfortable power output and sacrificing speed or adding speed when back to flat, you can ride for longer periods/distance regardless of the incline (unless it's too high...)
@Aubreykun
@Aubreykun Год назад
@@-na-nomad6247 Your power output decreases noticeably when you aren't being air cooled by the speed/wind (or a fan on a trainer). The premise is also flawed in its initial assumption.
@andrewnorris5415
@andrewnorris5415 2 года назад
Don't forget zig-zagging (where safe). You did it in part of this video but did not mention it directly? It effectively is like using a lower gear. I find it fun too.
@frankfeng6199
@frankfeng6199 2 года назад
I'm new to mountain biking and I accidentally found that zig zagging while climbing made it much easier! Glad to know it's an actual thing
@baronvonhoughton
@baronvonhoughton 2 года назад
Traversing.
@thenamen935
@thenamen935 2 года назад
@@frankfeng6199 yeah because when zigzagging you don't follow the road parallel and thus don't have the same incline as the road. But you need longer to get up the hill. E.g. Zigzagging on a 12% inlince and by doing it doubling the distance -> 6% incline. Overall it takes the same energy to get up there, but less force -> it seems easier
@stueyphone
@stueyphone 2 года назад
@@thenamen935 i was once zigzagging a 20% percent climb. The hardest part was actually starting when you for example put your foot down. It felt like i was falling backwards.
@hemmper
@hemmper 2 года назад
Seems easier, but you'll end up with a longer distance. If that matters.
@GeoffPowell
@GeoffPowell 6 месяцев назад
Been riding for 2.5 years and have been learning a LOT about bikes since I haven’t really ridden since getting my drivers license over 4😅. After putting over 5200km on my hybrid bike (2400 the last year alone) I finally did a complete rebuild on the lower end. Thank you for such an informative video explaining the mechanics and calculations therein that I can apply to upgrading my bike in future or purchasing a 2nd or 3rd bike (if she allows me… 😂😂😂)! Subscribed and I’m going to look for your bike guide.
@alexwonner7469
@alexwonner7469 2 года назад
Enjoying the technical aspects of your presentation. Thank you very much.
@pauleddy5146
@pauleddy5146 2 года назад
There aren't enough gears (in present groupsets) to put out 150 watts on a 18% incline, and still have enough forward momentum to stay upright. Science.
@marcdaniels9079
@marcdaniels9079 2 года назад
Saved me typing. Thanks
@tomsmith5216
@tomsmith5216 2 года назад
What he said!!
@ewicky
@ewicky 2 года назад
Forward momentum isn't what keeps a cyclist upright. Science. But seriously, you're right. At some point it isn't about gears or technology anymore. Steep enough incline and 150W won't provide enough power to lift a human weighting enough to produce 150W at any reasonable speed. Even if you had an immeasurably light bike, no extra supplies, no drag etc. What threshold incline that is, exactly, depends on your definition of "at a reasonable speed".
@nic12344
@nic12344 2 года назад
@@ewicky "Forward momentum isn't what keeps a cyclist upright. Science." You should use better scientific sources then, because that's absolutely what keeps it upright! Not enough forward momentum, no gyroscopic precession and the stabilizing reaction created by the off-axis front wheel isn't fast enough to counteract the tilt!
@ewicky
@ewicky 2 года назад
@@nic12344 Claiming I'm wrong, telling me to use better sources, but not citing any of your own... Oh, the hypocrisy. If you want to convince me I'm wrong by saying I don't use good enough sources, then point me in the right direction please.
@JJ38255
@JJ38255 2 года назад
He's talking about using super low gears to go Walking Speed up a hill .So might as well walk the bike..Use different muscles and different kind of exercise for a bit. lol
@The0rnate
@The0rnate Год назад
I love this video and the resources! Happy riding, friend. :)
@rainerhitz4035
@rainerhitz4035 2 года назад
Best bike touring video ever - you nailed it !
@davidbonn8740
@davidbonn8740 2 года назад
Taking your time and having some mental composure and patience with yourself will get you through a lot.
@Varaxis
@Varaxis 2 года назад
The change of position on the bike is one of the big differences. Gravity pulls you down differently, relative to how the bike is angled. Takes effort to hold the position. Need a bike with climb-friendly geo to counter this. Lack of airflow due to lower speeds is the other hard to avoid issue, as you've covered.
@hydrazi
@hydrazi Год назад
Thanks for this, all information I needed very badly.
@cyril_jq
@cyril_jq Год назад
Never looked at cycling in this way. Great video
@traktorek3675
@traktorek3675 2 года назад
On a flat you can stop pedaling and let momentum carry you.
@nelsonjoppi
@nelsonjoppi 2 года назад
well, where i live there's a thing called friction
@gianpaologliori3604
@gianpaologliori3604 2 года назад
Good video thanks! One other way of looking at your last point is that psychologically, you approach a climb at a higher speed and then feel the need to maintain that speed up the climb which results in excess effort and rapid exhaustion. Accepting that you slow down a lot on climbs is vital to maintain a steady sustainable effort.
@Fridelain
@Fridelain 2 года назад
But then might as well walk and not fight gravity so much
@mrsteel250
@mrsteel250 4 месяца назад
“Obsessing” about wide gear ratios is something I’ve never understood until I rode a modern road bike, I got an old road bike with a 7 speed and always just had to grind out steep climbs, but when I tried a 12 speed 105 I was pretty blown away at the ease of climbing. Thinking of dropping a few teeth on my small chainring just to get some better climbing gears
@GraemeMacDermid
@GraemeMacDermid 9 месяцев назад
I discovered the joy of hills on the Costa Brava. Shortly after I cycled on Corsica and over the Italian Alps. Lots of great days of climbing and enjoying mountain views.
@davidwhite6647
@davidwhite6647 2 года назад
Hills may be easier when tackled correctly and with an understanding of gear ratios, but basic grade school physics says it take more work to lift your body weight and bike weight up from elevation A to elevation B than it does across a flat plane or down to elevation B. To say it’s the same is rubbish.
@thenamen935
@thenamen935 2 года назад
The overall work needed to get up a hill is higher than to drive flat. But with a good gear ratio you can pedal up the hill with the same energy input (in the video 150W) but get slower -> needing more time -> putting energy in for longer -> using more energy in total compared to flat surface. So if you don't care about time (e.g. you tour around the country and have no fixed places to sleep but just drive as long as you want to and sleep wherever you want, it's not gonna be harder. But when you have a fixed destination, time matters and thus it takes more energy to get up a hill.
@garethrobinson2275
@garethrobinson2275 2 года назад
You're talking energy and he's talking power.
@TheSocketshock
@TheSocketshock 2 года назад
He didn't say its the same. Your argument implies he is talking about single speed for fixed gear bikes. Which we are not. Your point would be valid if his argument was that in the same gear its the same effort which yes is rubbish. But if your running a 22 tooth in front and 50+ in back for lowest gear you could climb anything with even the heaviest of loads!
@TheSocketshock
@TheSocketshock 2 года назад
@H Z if you watxhed the video you'd see that there is a limit. If these arm chair physicists where real they would pull out some calculation on where and why it only works at certain inclines with certain gear ratios. Until I am provided with real facts Ill stick with my notions.
@TheSocketshock
@TheSocketshock 2 года назад
@H Z I have a cargo bike that can carry 490 lbs plus rider. I ride it up hills and its a 50+ pound bike and I am heavy smoker.
@BozoTheBear
@BozoTheBear 2 года назад
I've taken cycling up this year, and am always drawn to the hills. Living in Sydney, with lockdowns, I haven't done much riding out of the city, but I always go looking for hills. I did my first climb up to Katoomba (from Parramatta) a couple of weeks ago, and simply picked low enough gears that it was indeed very easy. It wasn't anywhere near as mathematical as your video, but basically the same conclusion. (But when I'm in town, I love trying to tear up the hills in high gears to build strength.)
@martingraser6938
@martingraser6938 Месяц назад
A really excellent explanation. You have a deep understanding of mechanics and physics. And a clear language. Really good Video! 😊
@BehTamadeli
@BehTamadeli Год назад
I can’t believe how mach I liked your video it was exactly the data I needed to find out whether I could climb my beloved mountains with a 32t to 51t ratio and my estimated W power from my last rides. I searched a lot to find this video!! Thanks
@odintruegod7333
@odintruegod7333 2 года назад
Not a professional rider I am, and yet - can you give a rest to your legs (0 rpm) on the uphill as you could do it on the flat? Uphills never are easier
@alen-commentnazi8774
@alen-commentnazi8774 2 года назад
Yeah this vids dumb
@tomsmith5216
@tomsmith5216 2 года назад
I don't care how low a gear, how slow, or how much convincing myself psychologically I do, by the time I get to the crest of a fairly long hill, my legs are screaming for mercy. I haven't experienced that on flats but once, when I stupidly decided doing an 80 mile ride instead of the planned 15 miles, with only one energy bar and 2 water bottles was a good idea. So, regardless of watts, physics, vsrious cassettes. etc., riding hills is harder than riding flats. Your results may vary...
@leep5606
@leep5606 2 года назад
I've found the balance issue can be much improved if the head race is in good condition, greased and well adjusted. It saves a lot of effort oversteering when climbing.
@Cheiramin
@Cheiramin 9 месяцев назад
In my city, with the tropical weather and only flat surfaces, every time I get out the house feels like a climb, so hot and windy, definitely makes flat hard and this kinda makes me ready when I have to ride steep sections in a different city
@ricobass0253
@ricobass0253 Год назад
Good stuff. I've learnt this the hard way with time. Wish I'd seen this video a long time ago. One thing you've forgotten to mention, however; front to back rider positioning on the bike. Once the gradient is around 20% or over, lighter riders lose traction at the back wheel if they're not sitting far enough back - but - then there is a danger of not enough weight on the front wheel and you lose the ability to steer properly, particularly on loose or wet surfaces.
@sdziscool
@sdziscool 2 года назад
Just bought the 3 book set, your content is always great and informative and really wants to make me get out there! Here in the netherlands there is not a single slope in sight but I plan to go to Japan for my first big tour once corona is over(if ever) and it is time for me to get my body back into shape so I can at least try to get over the hills there, your video at least gave me a glimmer of hope it might actually be possible.
@thonkingintensifies9510
@thonkingintensifies9510 2 года назад
Im no novice but I thought you were just gonna say “yeah you can ride up hills with a lower gear ratio you just sacrifice speed” but this was really in depth and thank you for the too for the resources Im gonna go calculate my maximum grade
@satyris410
@satyris410 Год назад
Interesting video thanks. I can't ride a bike so I've no idea why I was recommended this. Happy days
@vibratingstring
@vibratingstring Год назад
I actually listened to this whole 12 minutes! I have a couple angles on this topic. I began my cycling as a road rider--by the time I was 12 I was road racing, even though my friends were 1st generation BMX. This was late 70s. Gearing on road racing bikes in those days was starkly different from the rapidly evolving touring gear of the time. I was an avid BICYCLING reader along with MIROIR DU CYCLISME and curious /interested in touring too, but road racing came first. My junior gearing was 42-52 or 53 (depending on tyres) and 15-19 straight block. I LOVE straight blocks. BUT you don't have any low gears. Racers eschewed long cage deraillers. It was trouble enough with short cage to avoid issues. We used either SunTour Superbe/Cyclone/VX or Campagnolo. They couldn't handle much past a 13-24 back there with a 42-52. Racing techniques developed to handle these gears on steeps. "switchbacking" was one technique. On the other hand Avocet came out with a 24t triple and SunTour a 32 tooth rear in those days, with a long cage VX derailler--and tourists took to that like fish to water. Many a paper in Bike Tech and many an article in BICYCLING about the benefits....but then Jonathan Boyer trounced all the touring background riders such as Haldeman and Marino in the GABR riding a 17 lb road racing bike... In that time, Mountain biking was in its infancy but as a road racer we were in the woods a lot in the fall winter and spring, playing cyclocross. When it gets too steep you dismount and carry. MANY times in those days if the mid 80s I would come upon MTB riders (Deore XT 18 speed stuff, remember them, with twistooth?) climbing super slowly, and I would run right by them with my 19 lb road bike over my shoulder....hahahah. Chalk that up to the Walking Advantage> Another story: the Tour of Mount Nebo in PA, super steep, first time there, Ive got my senior straight block on (late 90s) 12-19 with 39-52 (newer Campagnolo 135 BC) and a guy says, "you aren't racing on THAT are you? GOOD LUCK!" I was switchbacking a really steep spot and the guys around me started yelling. So I got off and walked in the grass--and started passing people! In old fashioned cleats! Fast forward to the past decade or so and we have seen elite road racers finally understand what the touring guys had figured out in the 70s---run efficient cadence on the climbs, it is faster than p0wering through a 42-19 and switchbacking. So everything comes back around. Of course at some point walking is always going to win, its in the 15% grade point or so on rough ground; steeper on pavement.
@billecker1243
@billecker1243 2 года назад
Not true. You can coast for a good distance on flat ground. Try that climbing a hill.
@user-fk8rb8ue5h
@user-fk8rb8ue5h 2 года назад
You just make total sense. It is great for us mortals who get told to try emulate the pros when it comes to hill climbing with high cadences. 60 seems reasonable for me I will try it on zwift.
@Snagmaster30lb
@Snagmaster30lb 2 года назад
I've honestly started to love riding up hills.
@KJT673
@KJT673 2 года назад
i always pedal in the hardest gear everywhere, when i get to the hill i put it abit higher and then when i reach the bacl to the hardest gear and its honestly so rewarding
@bikenbeers
@bikenbeers 2 года назад
Very interesting video. Love the science. When I was in Tuscany a few years ago I found if I could control my heart rate at a comfortable level I was able to climb the long (longer than I was used to) hills more easily. If my heart rate when above my comfort zone (about 150bpm for me) I just backed off a bit to lower my HR. I suppose that is similar to listening to your breathing but with an easily visible metric to guide me.
@4nz-nl
@4nz-nl Год назад
Heartrate is a perfect metric to use for pacing your ride. Sometimes I do rides with 10-12-14 hours of moving time (in one day of course); on those I just spend a bit of time to estimate where my heartrate can be on average, and I stick to that. It feels extremely slow and limiting in the beginning to back off when I go over 130 bpm (especially when other, slower riders pass!), but I'm always thankful when I'm still pedaling and fully free of cramps with over 12h and over 400 km on the clock.
@girohead
@girohead 2 года назад
I think the bottom line is to read your cadence. Maintaining that RPM through proper gear selection is the key. I tended to always have higher gear ratios than others I rode with, but I kept at it and always figured I'd make up in strength (torque in that power equation). But as I age and essentially fell out of routine, that leg strength has reduced, and I just can't spin on a hill. Noted 52T rear? Impressive calcs, I've got some shopping to do, I miss those long climbs you mention. It seems moot as out here everyone is just going to ebikes, but I'm stubborn. I just won't ride with them.
@RubenKelevra
@RubenKelevra Год назад
I know what gears are and how to change them, thank you. And the 5 minute ride from my home to the next supermarket has easily 15% grade if not even 20%.
@sheakennedy1745
@sheakennedy1745 2 года назад
I'm not even a cyclist and I was still hooked this entire video.
@mousermind
@mousermind 2 года назад
This explanation only holds water when you redefine what "harder" means. As myantispambox said already, you're expending more energy, thereby effort, to cover the same distance. I think most people define "harder" this way.
@gustavgnoettgen
@gustavgnoettgen 2 года назад
I guess what he wants to say is that hills aren't necessarily bad. But he didn't say that.
@johnrobb3275
@johnrobb3275 2 года назад
#4 -balance -I've always felt this is the main aspect. Poor balance exponentially exhausts the rider. This includes increased inefficiency in steering. Seems to me that wobbly steering greatly increases actual tire travel. For example, imagine I travel one mile whereas my tires travel two miles, the difference being a straight line versus sine wave. o_0
@SE-cm3rh
@SE-cm3rh 2 года назад
We were walking our 3 small dogs just this morning and I told my husband this exact truth about our ancient, eyeless and suffering from dementia Shitzu, Hootie! He casts back and forth across our path as the rest of us are walking straight. I told my husband that Hootie must surely be covering twice as much ground because his path is longer. (Hootie also spins periodically just for good measure.) And despite his advanced age, usually "sled dogs" the whole way, too. He's ALWAYS in his high torque power gear! But back to your comment of poor balance being exhausting.....I'll second that!!!
@iriqouisplisken5640
@iriqouisplisken5640 Год назад
I have actually found pedaling in sprints with maximum effort while turning the handlebars back and forth like mtb and bmx racers do actually improves efficiency
@N0Xa880iUL
@N0Xa880iUL Год назад
The difference cannot be twice
@Addams_Dionis
@Addams_Dionis 3 месяца назад
Not that I planned to climb montains on bike, but information is really useful. And being a bit nerdy I like the preciseness of information and numbers 😄
@theradicalnomad7083
@theradicalnomad7083 2 года назад
Totally agree. The second I got a 12 speed XC MTB I noticed the gearing was so low I could climb basically any hill I wanted without difficulty as long as I wasn't trying to do it quickly. My road bike however is designed for top end speed and runs out of gears quickly on steep inclines.
@a64738
@a64738 4 месяца назад
This videos claims is pure bullshit... Even on a mountain bike with extremely low gearing I end up with it being more easy walking the bike up hills. If his claims was true that biking uphill was just as easy as on the flats that would not happen.---
@DmofukinLee
@DmofukinLee 2 года назад
i guess the dislikes are from guys who only own a single speed.
@chrisprice5806
@chrisprice5806 2 года назад
a lightweight single speed with a 160 crank can cadence-up something so feirce it might as well be a 3 speed(that is lighter)
@veganpotterthevegan
@veganpotterthevegan 2 года назад
@@chrisprice5806 Yeah, but then you're doing so much more work when you're overgeared. Also, a fixed gear is only minimally more efficient than the equivalent gear on a bike with derailleurs thanks to modern tech
@Ober1kenobi
@Ober1kenobi 2 года назад
😅😅😅 I didn’t dislike but yeh, you right I ride 48x17, 48x16 in summer. I hate hills, unless I have a run up in the hill, it ain’t happening
@dewiz9596
@dewiz9596 2 года назад
My Mantra: on a single speed, you’re ALWAYS in the wrong gear.
@akatgif
@akatgif 2 года назад
Nah, you can't see that the video creator is cunningly clever manipulation - notice he doesn't discuss gravity or having sufficient gearing for the grade/pitch and length of the climb you're going to be riding. My street is 2 miles long at over 15% pitch.... where I live is on a popular route to the beach - every weekend turned to Riders walking up the hill on their road bikes and mountain bikes because didn't have enough gear on your bike. Your comment about fixies is ignorant
@funkycoldm3dina
@funkycoldm3dina 2 года назад
so it turns out that it requires a bit of brain thought when I see a hill. I always used to freak out on even the slightest hill but now I feel quite confident about it now that I have educated myself after watching your video. I especially like the fact that if I drop down a gear or 2, I am still creating the same power output as if I kept on the same tough gear. Overall, it is a highly motivational video that you have created.
@TheBikeRoom
@TheBikeRoom 2 года назад
Yeah, most of my brain is spent dreaming about my next bike.
@I_Am_Bone
@I_Am_Bone Год назад
By watching your insanely educational videos, I feel very confident in the purchase I just made. After 10 years and 7 cancer diagnosis, I started riding to raise funds and awareness for childrens' cancer research. I learned my bike was very VERY wrong for me, and then got stopped from the riding to have a kidney removed on August 16, 2022. Then I started learning. I chose a Marin Pine Mountain 1 that has a "Granny Gear" of 18.9 gear inches! (32 crank to a 11-51 cassette) I had no clue what that even meant until your videos. I intestinally rode down and back up a hill for my test drive. Even with being out of commission for a few months, and not fully recovered from the kidney removal, the hill was conquered without killing myself. Thank YOU!
@sehsuan
@sehsuan Год назад
Wow, this is by far the most scientific compilation of metrics for touring! Wish this was available ten years ago though! 🙂
@appa609
@appa609 2 года назад
hills are harder than flats when your lowest gear requires more than FTP to maintain cadence. On my 39/25 bike that occurs at about 6%.
@AlexandarHullRichter
@AlexandarHullRichter 2 года назад
On my 39/28 bike, I've passed people because I could climb hills while maintaining a good cadence, but I wouldn't have enough power to continue moving if I slowed down to match the speed of other people with easier years.
@appa609
@appa609 2 года назад
Also, hills make accelerating very hard, which means if you stop and want to get going again, you'll be at a very low cadence for a long time.
@weldonyoung1013
@weldonyoung1013 2 года назад
That also applies to changing gears or gear ratios. Most setups for gearing in hills will be widely spaced, so a change in gears is going to be felt in work waste radiation, or heat. Which is the usual measure of effort for someone who has no trouble breathing.
@joeyjo-jojuniorshabadoo6827
@joeyjo-jojuniorshabadoo6827 23 дня назад
Yes, gear ratios give you mechanical advantage BUT as you climb you are gaining potential energy which has to come from somewhere. On a flat surface you are fighting friction only. As you climb you fight friction and transfer kinetic energy into potential energy.
@htkh
@htkh Год назад
Came across your video for the first time, and got excited to see Vietnam in the background ahaha 🙌
@atexnik
@atexnik 2 года назад
Hm, I thought this video is about how to conquer hills with existing not-so-low gears, but it just boils down to conclusion that we need ultra low gears to do that. Ok ...
@dewiz9596
@dewiz9596 2 года назад
Bottom line: Go buy more “stuff”. . .
@atexnik
@atexnik 2 года назад
@@dewiz9596 already did. Swapped Sora triple for an MTB triple crankset, effectively lowering gear inches from 25 to ~20.
@marc_frank
@marc_frank 2 года назад
if you can let go of the speedometer... but i tend to still want to go 25km/h
@bd1a210
@bd1a210 2 года назад
Fantastic video, thanks for sharing.
@thomaswitt8870
@thomaswitt8870 2 года назад
Great information and boy, what beautiful scenery!
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