Himiway Rhino Is Horrible News For Long Range Ebike Competitors 

$3,000 is still.a good price for a dual battery system and most especially a $1000 watts hub motor. Thanks for sharing.

@@qolspony Bad price.

@@qolspony Even the Wallkie H6 has more Ah and it puts more power on 20 by 4 inch tires so more acceleration for less then 2 grand.

@@qolspony My bike is a 60 V 20 ah 39 mph fpr 1,999$ plus shipping. If interested check out wired e bikes.

@@CONSCIOUS_TALK_ENT. Interesting.

User name checks out. SunnyDays… where were you when I needed you most… 😆

I think the final version on the website does have fenders and a few more bells and whistles, but 3k is def a bit more then the typical budget ebike

Bro I know😂😂 I swear my $1500 freesky is a better machine like what.....

That's greedy middleman markup pricing for you. I would understand increasing the price 250 to 500 for setting it up and making sure it works and convenience of having it available in person + some sort of great store warranty. These businesses have the gall to double, triple, and even quadruple the price. That's how they end up getting a warehous and storefull of ebikes. Makes me want to hand out informative flyers in front of the stores. I see people trying to sell used ebikes for around brand new prices you'd find online. Victims of local markup I got a 750-1000peak watt 20 inch fat tire 32ah ebike hydraulic brakes, 2 year protection for $1400 brand new. You can even get better deal than that with smaller battery or sales.

The overpriced and a shit looking ebike.

If you want double battery ebike worth your money just take a look freesky alaska and Emmo Ewild X.

Thanks for watching!

so you're bike is an XP2.0 and you upgraded it? do you have a video? Thanks.

Good points you bring up. The geometry of this bike will certainly help get power from your legs down to the pedals, which will optimize range. The swept back handlebar bikes are more challenging to get power to the pedals, but are more comfortable. One good thing for comfort is the front suspension on this bike felt great, and with more of your weight put on your arms, the front suspension is where a good chunk of your body mass sits. This should make a big difference in comfort. On the cruiser style bikes where all your weight is on your butt and not on your arms, your back takes all the bumps if the big tires and your legs don’t absorb it first. This is the comment discussion I like to see here, what do you guys think?

I think that people who want a dual battery hub motor bike plan on using the throttle a lot. Optimizing pedal efficiency probably less important than comfort to them. But I don't usually worry much about that stuff since different handlebars, stems, and stem risers can let you customize the fit easily and cheaply. I think that this Himiway is the best looking dual battery bike I've seen. My dual battery cargo bike looks like it was designed for the army to use 50 years ago.

@@jimmyjames8736 I go for long rides, live in the middle of the Adirodack forest, so I like dual battery bikes, I have two of them(homemade)..On long rides the mountain bike position is painful..I've built many E-bikes for people, almost all mountain bikes, and have added risers and different handle bars to many of them..Factory bikes don't usually have long enough cables so you have to get extension cables for the display, light and throttle, and longer brake cables, which isn't a big deal, unless some other company already manufactures that out of the gate for a better price..We'll see, maybe I'm wrong.. I like the bike alot, just not the riding position and price..

Keep your eyes on the channel, I just reviewed a full suspension dual battery ebike today, I will publish the video soon!

I bought a Lectric XP new for $899.00 (no shipping, no tax)... just $899.00. That was 2 and a half years ago. It's as fast as the laws in the U.S. allow a motorized bike to be before it has to be registered, license plate, tags, insurance, etc, etc, etc.............. I still ride that same Lectric every day. 3500+ miles. $899.00 The numbers on this bike don't add up.

Lectric has a dual battery "cargo ebike" for $1699.00. It's rear rack can hold 300 pounds. The bike's total weight capacity is 450 pounds.

It will go 28 mph in pas5. Just like mine, but coming down the steep hill near me I've hit 39. My Lectric "1.0" as it's called now has been my daily commuter and only transportation for 2 years and 4 months now.

Lance Armstrong would probably struggle, it weighs 97 lbs.

you're not wrong 😆

It was prior to launch day

@@dbc120 Himiway instructed me to post this as is despite my requests for price etc, they would not tell me

somewhere in the mid video I try to demo this, it is a pretty big bike, but it might work for you. folding fat e-bikes tend to have lower seats, my brothers gf came to visit and the engwe engine pro ebike I have is the ONLY one she would agree to ride due to size and seat height, she's 5'2"

@@TailHappyTV thanks I appreciate your response. greetings from the Netherlands!

Please read my comment on another comment in this thread about the 1000 watts. A 750 W motor can take 1000 W of power from the battery and controller. Motors do not create power, they just receive power. This is the bike, I guess this one just did not have the accessories installed on it.

Battery weighs no more than a buttock

@@greenbunnyinabongo7299 👌

They suck, but people think they look cool and so buy them. You can ride in the sand easier. But you will never see them anywhere other than the US

They’re pretty cool, definitely have the pros and cons which I did make a video about that recently. I actually did review the breeze on this channel and it was a great bike.

And actually you will see them outside the US, I was just in Italy for two weeks and just about everywhere I turn my head it was people riding around on folding 4“ x 20“ fat tire, electric bikes, all over Rome, Venice, Florence, etc

@@TailHappyTV to each their own, as long as it makes them happy, thanks for the great reviews

I think that they are wired together internally, and it pulls from both at the same time, which would be the ideal way in my opinion

I normally run my dual battery bike off both batteries. But I like that my batteries each have a power switch. That way if I feel like taking a long ride without trying to monitor battery levels I ride on one battery and when it is depleted then I know it is time to head home using the other battery. No worries that way.

For what it’s worth, I do have a $50 discount code below the video 😂

yeah the color was really awesome in person

I agree, the wheels are 26 inch I believe, perhaps the maximum height of the outer diameter is the 29.8 number. On the unit I reviewed the motor was stamped 750 W, which I believe is the nominal power the motor can take from the battery and controller. The 1000W number I’m guessing is the peak amount that the bike is sending to the motor based on my riding experience with it, and that hub motor should easily be able to take 1000W, I’ve written plenty of Ebikes, that send way more than 1000W to basically the same hub motor. I feel certain that this motor is a geared hub motor. I should probably get a dyno, so I can put each of these bikes on it and measure their actual power output and torque output, that would be epic.

@@TailHappyTV , That would be something new in the e-bike review space. Good idea. I’m surprised that they aren’t that expensive.

Thanks, and I agree

This video was recorded before they announced the price

@@TailHappyTV so they knew but just wasn’t permitted to say?

more blue than green in person. color is no longer available thou

mid drive are overrated af

It's only 30% more watt hours than the ripcurrent s, with 250w less at the motor, extra weight, no fenders, no taillight, for 50% more money

The Rhino pro version comes with the bafang m620 that does come with a torque sensor. But it's even more expensive at $4,000.

@@muneersmith6839 The thing is, when you want premium, you don’t buy a Himiway. Himiway is trying to be something, that they aren’t.

Yea and if you want mid drive motor it's 4cheese

I guess it depends on the bike you have, but yeah probably?

You still need to deal with chain alignment, cable management, crank clearance, q factor and battery mounting (round tubes are not the best for mounting a flat battery)

Whats the benefit of 1000w when the torq is the same as 750w? This take off even at full throttle seems very sluggish, like the aventon. Mabe at full batteries its different.

So the motor does not create any power. The motor is just rated to accept a certain level of power that the controller and battery can provide. The way that the controller delivers power to the motor on this bike is relatively gentle and gradual, which has its pros and cons. The pros of the gentle power delivery is you’ll get a smooth riding experience that does not jerk you around and you’ll get a lot more range on the battery. The downside is when you want all of the power from a stop immediately, you kind of have to wait for it to kick in gradually. Once the bike, it’s up to speed, it will give you full power, I believe that they built it this way intentionally as it is certainly an improved riding experience compared to the cruiser I reviewed last summer. Now this is just out of the box settings, and the display could have Settings within it to allow you to change the speed at which power is delivered to the motor. The way companies rate motors can be a little bit tricky, I would say the rear hub motor on this bike could take 1500 W of power from a battery and controller for probably 30 seconds or so without overheating and failing, the stamp of 1000 W on the website is kind of just a vote of confidence that the motor can take 1000 W for an extended period of time without overheating. These big fat tire hub motors are pretty tough, I’m actually about to take one out that’s rated for 1400w and I honestly don’t think it’s any different than the one installed on the back of the himiway Bike. The 1000 W number is probably the peak power that they have the controller tuned for delivering power to the hub motor. This is actually very common, and many of my electric bike reviews the motor is rated for 750 W, however, when I take them out for a ride, some of the displays actually show the power output in terms of a number instead of a bar indicator like seen on this bike, and that number will show 999w under full acceleration. I hope this rant helps clear up some of the confusion 😆

Yea that explains a lot. I have a few himiways and they all have 750w motor but seem to give off different power delivery. I have the aftermarket display that show watts and one bike is limited to 996w while the other one tops 999 but I'm sure its well over if the display had another digit. I'm wondering if you felt the take off on the rhino was close to the aventon or mabe just abit better? Last if you think a 52v 20ah would be better than the dual 48v 15ah set up? I know the range would decrease but would it be worth to just carry another 52v20ah if u decide to add more range.

@@Goesriding Yes the wattage ratings on hub motors are just the recommended continuous power rating. They can take a lot more intermittently. When you see an ebikes controller amperage listed they will advertise peak amps. The continuous rating of the controller is just half of peak. So a 30 amp controller on 48v has a nominal peak wattage of 1440 watts and rated power of 720 watts. Sometimes a touch more or less depending on the battery state of charge. But that calculated peak is higher than the number you will see on a 4 digit wattage readout. It will usually be close to 10% less on the meter due to efficiency loss. My 40 amp 48v cargo bike has calculated peak of 1920 watts but only displays mid 1700s. Kepler 33 amp 52v calculates to 1716w peak but displays upper 1500s. Hope this helps.

@@jimmyjames8736 this Rhino only have 22a or 25a controller running dual 48v 15ah battery. That is going to limit it big time? Already the start up on it seems sluggish.

I don't think anyone really wants to go 100 miles. It's a sales gimmick. Kinda like EV's going more than 100 mi. Most people don't drive more than 50mi / day but they want a car that gets 250+ mi. Same with ebikes. Very misunderstood.

Definitely not😄

The heavier the bike, the less efficient since empty batteries don’t weigh any less than full ones. Like EV’s. You need exponentially more than twice the battery to get twice the range.

You may not go 100 m. But have the luxury of using the throttle (using more watts) as much as you want

it is a pretty penny to ask

@@TailHappyTV I really like your review videos they are far better than any I've seen. Keep em my brotha

then I have some others you'll like coming soon (dual battery, full suspension)

Belt drive is cool until you need to change gears for a hill

The site says it’s frame is 6061 aluminum, which means it’s extruded as tubes then machined and welded into a bike frame. There are something like a dozen bike frame companies in China.

Because America! Sorry Herr Bro!

😂

Elefant

cock roach?

Manatee Mid drive

it's got budget parts, but I didn't know the price at the time of filming

ASLunar not so ridiculous when you consider the features. All electric bikes are outrageously expensive.

@@arnoldanderson1501 I would actually say so. The Lectric XPremium for example also has dual battery with 100 mile range, fat tires, hydraulic disk brakes, front suspension, mid drive, is foldable, and is almost half the price ($1599). Even if you didn't like the style of the XPremium, the Aventon Aventure 2 has most of what the Rhino offers minus the range for $1800. This bike on the other hand charges an ADDITIONAL $1000 (so $4000 total!!) for a mid drive. In fact as I was typing this I realized the Himiway Rhino went from my original "really cool" to "who would even buy this?"

​@@arnoldanderson1501 rhinocoulos

Haha, 72v or nothing, yolo 😜

@@TailHappyTV 60 V for me 🥲 Got My first E bike like 4 months ago. 60 V 20 Ah 40 amp controller, 1,000 watt continuous with 2,300 watts output. 26 by 4 fat tires, 39 mph twist throttle for 1,999$ plus shipping. Decent price.

@@TailHappyTV one day i will get the 72V & a 5k watt motor. Or maybe ill go straight for the 8k motor.

Keep your eyes peeled, I might have something for you coming to the channel very soon.