It was not an ''uncivilized India' as mentioned in concluding remarks. It was growing at its own pace keeping balance of its culture and economy. The 'supposedly ' is still not justifying it.
Lord Shiva is Dhyut Papeshwar means owner of the game. This game was known as sKhandyantra or shadyantra. It was played on dashpaad to vrihadpaad boards. Game was invented by Sage Agasthya. Kartikey played this game. But Ravan was much better and expert in this game
To all of you writing so eloquently about how offended you are that she insulted India, I would say that it's a shame that you didn't put your writing vocabulary and grammar into as good of use when you listened as when you wrote; listen and understand what she says. Listen to the words, and understand the meaning. She says this: "from the supposedly uncivilized world of India developed a game that would cross continents and become a modern pastime for all to enjoy" She is not insulting India. She is PRAISING India. "From the supposedly uncivilized world of India" means that chess was developed in ancient times in India, when it was SUPPOSEDLY uncivilized (meaning that some people might think of it as such, yet they developed great things like the predecessor of chess). The rest of her sentence means that India brought something from many years ago, and many miles away, for us all to enjoy, even this far away in distance and in time. You should be ashamed of yourselves to reduce yourselves to hateful slander when you yourselves didn't bother to listen and comprehend, even when she spoke about a country that you seemingly hold in high esteem.
zeroqp: We won't SUPPOSEDLY uncivilised. Our ancient history attests to this! What was SUPPOSED about Britain looting our wealth and our knowledge, if we WERE supposedly uncivilised? Then how is it that we had so much for others to steal from us. No we WERE DEFINITELY CIVILISED!!!!! THERE WAS NO "SUPPOSEDLY" ABOUT OUR ADVANCED STATE!!! WE WERE ADVANCED VERY HIGHLY!!! JUST LOOK AT OUR HARAPPAN AND MOHENJODARO SANITATION SYSTEMS AND THE WAY THE INDUS PEOPLE LIVED BACK THEN!!! THERE IS NO DEBATE ABOUT INDIA'S GRRATNESS!!! DON'T GET IT TWISTED!!!
if you dont know the history of Indian civilisation just refer some books like 1 In Search of the Cradle of Civilization 2 Lost River: On The Trail of the Sarasvati 3 The Indus Civilization: A Contemporary Perspective ect. and also timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Indus-era-8000-years-old-not-5500-ended-because-of-weaker-monsoon/articleshow/52485332.cms And learn from it that what was the situation of Europe and America at that time
The Chinese will always say everything originated from China. No matter what it is you're talking about, they will say it originated from China. Every. Thing.
In Robert Temple's book 'The Genius of China', the claim is made that it was originally invented in China. There's a picture taken from 'El Libro de los Juegos' (The Book of the Games) by Alfonso X, King of Castile (in Spain) of two ....Knights Templars ....playing the game in the 13th century (C.E.) ! This led me to ask what's the origin of the 'Knights move' in Chess. Who invented it ? Where did it come from ?
@@michaelloglio3365 The Shaolin Temple (Buddhism) came from India. Religion is the heart of a nation. China doesn't even have its own religion (not as popular as Buddhism). The Monkey King's Journey to the West to bring back the Buddhist Bible to China.
1:40 That is wrong. That is Parcheesi. It is a multi-use set. Like a modern day Pressman chess, checkers, and backgammon set all in one box. Future historians would be confused. Chess played on a checker board, backgammon played with checker pieces and a dice. Future historians would confuse chess with dice and checkers and backgammon. Chess is a militaristic game between 2 armies. Like in real life. Not 4 armies running in a circle.
Everyone has got stuck on their misinterpretation of her one passing comment, but no-one has stopped to ask why the Queen becomes the most powerful piece on the chess board.
Yeah, it helped to speed up the game and led to interesting tactics. Strong queens in Europe are believed to have inspired the piece's power. Or perhaps, the powerful piece existed and then they named it after the strong European queens.
this 4 people and roll of dice is a different game, called "dyuta" or gamble. That board had 4 arms, like plus sign. 4 arms translate into sanskritam as chatur-anga or "chaduranga" (chaturanga is wrong) based on sandhi grammar rules. This was mistaken belief of a white "scholar", but has been perpetuated continuously. In reality, chanduranga was 4 types of troops the king had on his disposal - elephant (rook), horse (knight), chariot (bishop) and infantry (pawn). Queen is the "minister". The story prevalent (and I can't find the origin or any description written, just the folklore) is that asura soldiers under Ravan often grew restless and fought among themselves. So Mandodari (Ravana's wife) invented this war game so that they kept engaged.
Yes. Shadyantra was invented in India and Shri Lanka by Raavans uncle named Agasthya because ShriLanka was part of india 8800 yrs back.. Shadyantra is based on 10x10 board called Dashpaad. Chaturanga was evolved from Shadyantra in 200 BC after it was latter was banned. And yes Chaturanga was played on 8x8 board..
Pro Tip guys. Don’t start online arguments or get offended by things said in languages you aren’t fluent in. It’s weird how people don’t even consider that they may have misinterpreted something in a language they barely speak. How arrogant. XD
Reading these uncivilised comments is giving me a headache. So many people seem to not understand English or common phrases. I am surprised because in their comments they seem to write good English, but they do not understand English. I think they have never read English literature, their only English is in comments and chatting on the internet. Here is a lesson for you: When you put "supposedly" before something you are actually criticising the opinion that follows. You are saying it is not your view, and that it is contradicted by evidence. For example if the quietest boy in school, who people tease and think is stupid, were to beat everyone in the school chess tournament some people might say "This supposedly stupid boy just beat you all at chess". It means "in your opinion he was stupid, but he has proven you wrong". When a mongoose beats a King Cobra in a fight many people are surprised. You could say "This supposedly small, helpless little animal just ate the King Cobra's tail for breakfast". It means the animal is not a helpless, he contradicted his "supposed" attributes. I probably give too many examples but let's just be clear here, one more. Whale sharks are big, they are a shark, and many people are scared of them but in fact you can swim with you and they won't hurt you. You could say "We just got in the water and swam, without any injuries, with this supposedly vicious whale shark". The key word "supposedly" mocks what comes after it, it opposes what comes after it. When she says "supposedly uncivilised India" she is trying to say that many people maybe don't think India was civilised BUT in fact they invented this game we all play thousands of years ago and it shows they are more civilised than we think and maybe more civilised than us. She is giving India a compliment, she is actually FIGHTING against perceptions and opinions which are negative about India. And yet the comments sections is pages and pages of offended Indians who don't understand. I hope this helps some people understand a little better.
The reason people think it was wrong of her to say even with the “supposedly” is because it isn’t a common opinion that India was or is uncivilized (anymore more than the norm)
Actually word SUPPOSEDLY UNCIVILIZED has been used deliberately as a sarcasm to those who decimate india as a perpetual backward society especially colonial powers.....
Let them call us Uncivilized!! yes, when you look India when the british left, it was damn poor, underdeveloped... The proof of our wealth, heritage, culture, intellectual abilities, prosperity, is evident from there own action, looted everything, see the number of foreign rulers this motherland has withstood, This country, Bharat /Hindustan/India/Mahabharat, was messed up for grabbing what we had in plenty. The British, French, Dutch, Arabs, Mughal, Persians, Portugese, spanish, Greeks, Romans - who hasn't come to india - either for trade or war or to learn. Everybody that people define as the most civilized has come to india, they have gathered all they can. It includes everything - fundamentals of farming, agriculture, society, yoga, medicine, ayurveda, space- astronomy, astrology, vedic mathematics, democracy, secularism, religion, science, chess, math, language, literature... All have taken the wealth leaving India poor. So let them define us uncivilized because thats the only way they can feel good about themselves. I as indian won't forget the past, so should all indians.
The time when we invented chess at that time Europeans and Arabs killing each other they were tribes roaming across there continent and Europe was in its dark ages
If you include for chess precursors the element of chance (dice), then you could go back to an ancient Egyptian board game involving dice, as well as other ancient dice games. Instead, Chaturanga should be your precursor if you want to claim Indian origin. There's also a case to be made for chess precursors being from China, in the game of Go. But in general, all signs point to chess precursors being from India. However, the modern form of chess was invented in medieval Europe, and perfected (the final rules as we know them today) in the 19th century.
@@quach8quach907 Modern chess came from medieval Europe. There's even a book on how the queen moves, invented there. See, Birth of the Chess Queen: A History: Yalom, Marilyn
It is is totally shameful of you telling India as uncivilized. India was the most sophisticated and developed country of the world. Here invented the world known trigonometry, algebra and value of pi [π] , aryabhat told the radius of earth just by calculating lengths of shadows of poles,worlds first surgery was done here. Persians looted India for more than 400 years but can't fully steal whole wealth of India. India was the most rich place known to world. Even when Christopher Columbus found America he thought he reached india and named the natives as red indians
@@krish38381 yeah man.. he won the finals against Jesus man. If Allah would have won the game in semi finals against Jesus then the final would be more great.
Forgot about how kings would use the game with real people battling , it was how the kingdoms would choose there main warriors, they also did it with slaves. Just like the first tennis racket was made to repel stones, and the first golf club was designed to hit explosives at enemy camps..all the games are derived from war senereos.
Chess is Persian. "Chess" is a derivation of Shah in Persian. Also most of the chess terms are Persian. Murray believes chess is most probably Persian not Indian.
The word "Shatranj" is a calque of the Sanskrit Chaturanga. A lot of Arabic things came from India. The word "sura" comes from the Sanskrit word "sutra".
@@mindatrest6838 Anyone with half a brain could see your response coming a mile a way. Notice that I put "cradle of civilization" in quotation marks. That means that I'm not claiming myself that Mesopotamia was the cradle of civilization. I'm telling you that that's how the phrase is used. Apparently, the Indus Valley spawned a civilization so great that its descendants have transcended competent reading and thought, along with sanitary living conditions and sane metaphysical beliefs. Now that Indians are finally online in numbers--thirty years late--it's going to be fun trolling you street shitters who still believe in weird nonsense.
@@ClockCutter I am sorry I responded to your comment, didn't realise you were a professional troll.... I have no interest in trolling with you or receiving your trolls... Thank you.... Have a nice day!!
Btw Chinese chess is the first chess around 200bc during Han dynasty invented by the most talented general Han Xin. India Chaturanga (around 6 centuries) invented, copy the same movement and roll a 4 side die to move (not a chess game, but a points system board game.)
Good game ...but is one but why do not playing other chess variants ...10x10 (square);12*12;...16*16 (yes it's longer) so and others only 64square game
Supposedly uncivilized. Implying at that point in history people believed them to be uncivilized. Supposedly means sarcastically that she doesn't agree with the statement that India was uncivilized when they started an idea for a masterpiece game that would stand the test of time. That's all. Go do some yoga and get your chakras in order instead of resulting to hate.
I have ever read in a book that the chess game was found in India. Not! invented. They don't now the source where the game is coming from, step by step its advanced, but not invented.
double negative of 'suppossedly uncivilized' has a negative connotation. There wasnt any need to add those extra words, they only serve to reinforce the sterotype that people view india as uncivilized. It wouldve been much better to just say india. I totally see why its offensive. I dont care if she was criticizing that view. There was no need to bring it up, just call india india. Dont call it 'supposedly uncivilized'. It is actually offensive if you dig into the roots of why/how india has gotten to the place it is in currently. (british empire)
I think Chees Is Came From Iran but But has been completed in India Because a chessboard and strange seal of founded in Iran, it is kept at the New York Museum
You ruined the whole thing when you said uncivilised India you must know INDIA was the first civilised civilisation and our Indian culture and society is much beyond you people understanding.
You misunderstood her. First understand what somebody said before you get angry. And if you can hear in her accent, she is not a native English speaker either. I don't know where she comes from but I can hear she is not European.
Vinny, nobody asked for your commentary either. I was trying to give you some information to help you not feel insulted because I don't think she meant to insult. My opinion on the English language is just as valid as yours. I don't want you to be insulted or feel insulted because I don't think it was meant that way. BUT let's be clear: if you won't listen to another opinion or common sense then go ahead and be insulted. I felt a little bit sorry for you but I have limits and don't really care a lot either. Have fun crying your eyes out, I will be off watching another video and not giving a single shit any more.
For your education I will copy and post my explanation from another comment thread. It seems many of you speak English well but you do not read a lot or don't understand common phrases used outside of India. Copy and paste: When you put "supposedly" before something you are actually criticising the opinion that follows. It's similar to using "Apparently". You are saying it is not your view, and that it is contradicted by the second part of the sentence. For example if a quiet boy in school, who people think is stupid, were to beat everyone in the school chess tournament some people might say "This supposedly stupid boy just beat you all at chess". It means "in many peoples opinions he was stupid, but he has proven you wrong". When a mongoose beats a King Cobra in a fight many people are surprised. You could say "This supposedly small, helpless little animal just ate the King Cobra's tail for breakfast". It actually means the animal is not a helpless, he contradicted his "supposed" attributes. When she says "supposedly uncivilised India" she is trying to say that many people maybe don't think India was civilised BUT in fact they invented this game we all play thousands of years ago and it shows they are more civilised than we think and maybe more civilised than us. She is giving India a compliment, she is actually FIGHTING against perceptions and opinions which are negative about India. And yet the comments sections is pages and pages of offended Indians who don't understand
No, Alkhwarizmi never said he INVENTED numbers and always mentioned them as Indian numerals. However don't forget he organized those numbers and invented Algebra. If it weren't for Persians math would have not developed like it has today
जय भारत ॐ When you say screw Persia etc your just sounding Triggered, which discredits you. Show few sources to claim what your saying then we will believe in that your saying
Yes, Indus Valley Civilization was the first modern civilization. Cities were build around the bath-house not around the temple...and this hints us an existence of modern social structure at that time which is rare in this modern days, still a utopian idea. Cities were build with Terracotta bricks. They invented pipes and technologies to supply water above the 3 stored buildings. The irrigation system is still admirable. Plz dont pass wrong information to the next-gen.
Even I used to think that Indus was 1st but here are the facts:- www.ancienthistorylists.com/ancient-civilizations/10-oldest-ancient-civilizations-ever-existed/ He is right its Mesopotamia but 2nd is Indus Civilization.
If it isn't a myth, according to you, chess was invented in sri lanka right? By Ravana of lanka? By the way it's not civilized at all to call India 'uncivilized'!
Chess was invented by the Finnish - who intern invented Hinduism in 9237 B.C. In the great Finnish Empire which spread from Helsinki to Lisbon and Atlantis on the former Balkan island of Kashoje Ostrovo
Chess is an european game BUT it's also an variant of a game which is originated from somewhere in asia, maybe Persia, Mesopotamie, India, China. We don't know
Note through the 'L' movement of the 'Knight', if you treat it as a right triangle where you create a hypotenuse, the hypotenuse ='s the square root of 5....1^2 (1 squared) + 2^2 (2 squared) ='s square root of 5 squared or 1 + 4 ='s 5. Note that if you take the shorter side of the 'L' or 1 add it to the square root of 5 (hypotenuse), then divide both by the longer side, that is 2, you derive the value for the constant in Nature of Phi or 1.618 !
Don't just give your statement but proof too. Chess had been played in India before Buddha. Buddhist texts says there were two types of chess boards: square of 8 rows and square of 10 rows. Recent archaeological studies say Buddha existed between 9th century and 6th century BCE.
Small correction it belong to tamilan. "Chadurangam " it's tamil word not sanskrit. Lord RAvana mother tongue also tamil truth always hard to digest .tamil valga 👍
"supposedly uncivilized India". What makes India less civilized than other places in ancient times! now if your opinion is that "supposedly" civilized people is just a recent phenomena then maybe you're right, but I don't think so and I've never heard of such claim.
Dont get me wrong, I do love my India people and I certainly do not agree that they where uncivilized as they had well documented 13 empires trough history and a very rich culture but stop for a second and think. No biases just let your brain do the thinking. now listen to your self for a second ...you are saying some game that was mentioned somewhere with no name that had dice and 4 people playing it is same game as persian style chess?... respectfully I ask do you even know how chess is played? Did you even ask your self how on earth I could relate a game with dice to chess?? How would that even work? If chess had dice and you roled the dice and got some number now what??? It could work with many games but how would that work with a game that is based on brain not luck of dice? How are you relating a 4 faced game with dice that was mentioned in a some book but didn't have a name to chess?...so base on your own video the only thing in common between that game and Persian chess was the board??? really?? This is your argument?? Do you know all around the world from Africa to mayans there are hundreds and hundreds of games that were played on board (yes believe it or not there was no TV or computer back then so everything was played on ground or board all around the world). You can't use unknown game with unknown name with a totally different rules to anything else just because it had a board. Do more research and come with better proof (unknown is not a proof for any research on any subject) because this non seance that you are spreading is more troubling then being any benefit to you.
Please take your time and relisten to the clip and read my long comment in full. In short, a game with 4 players who used dice is been related to chess. I don't deny that this unnamed game was mentioned in that book but my argument is very clearly stating that a game with 4 players and a dice can't be used as a proof for a totally different game. The difference is really deep. One is based on luck of the dice and the other is about thinking. Very simple logic. I really can't break it down further more when fundamentally two games are different. It's up to the reader to stick to a myth or be logical.
+syrus021 If you look at the rules of Chathuranga, it does have rules on how many and in which direction the four parts, i.e., king, minister, elephant, soldiers can move. So it is not as if it is totally alien and dissimilar.
Dear Venatha, with all respect I don't see you capable of answering my question of why a game that involves dice, had no name and was played by 4 people to chess that has no dice, two people and a game that involves thinking no role of the dice. Unfortunately people like you are happy by saying the last word even if it's as cheesy as "..but it originated in India" so I let you be happy by not replying and leting you hold the last word. Maybe I'll get an educated answer other then " but it originated in India" in regards to relationship between the "unknown 4 player game"with dice" and " persian chess".
These people crazy. are you guys serious.. giving false information .on chess history.. so so sad.. NO ONE WILL EVER KNOW WHO INVENTED CHESS... you need to see the great Pyramid and its drawings of the chess which is about 10s of thousand years old... please check your facts first before posting false info... thanks ...
