History of IRT South Ferry 

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@@paradoxum_scout i literally wrote this 8 months ago, R38 and Rockaway Shuttle videos are both out

@@paradoxum_scout yea

@@TRRailfan hey ii ik 1 year late but I wanted to know if I could make series like this of mine? 😟

Glad you enjoyed it! According to wikipedia 5 trains now use the outer loop (clearance issues maybe, or it might hurst be faster because the curve is less tight)

@@TRRailfan Using the outer loop makes sense since 1 trains no longer use it and it has a wider radius so there is less wear on the wheels and the rails.

It was the same with 145 street on The 3 line in Harlem. If I remember right: The trick was that if you ended up missing your stop as you was going uptown because you weren't in the "first five cars" , then you had to remember to stay exactly where you were, because if you did walk to the first five cars NOW you wouldn't miss your stop as the train is coming back downtown. ....and yes I have made that mistake before, It's not even funny.

Being a subway nut/fan/aficionado, wheel & brake squeals never ever bothered me! While riding the old venerable R9s on the IND 6th Ave D train, motormen would take that junction curve right after Broadway/Lafayette St/Station at a speed where those old treaded wheels would squeal well over 95-100dB, guessing, along with the roar of those old WH/GE traction motors..was music to my young ears! Loved it! My aunts & cousins thought I was crazy!!..Yes. I was a young, hopeless romantic!!

The platform itself no longer exists as the wall openings have been bricked up. However the inside loop track is still in service and is used to turn 5 trains around after they discharge passengers at Bowling Green. At one time 5 and 6 trains shared the outer loop and platform with 1 trains on evenings and weekends.

Honestly, it's just too short to make the cut.

Completely redo the old south ferry station and rebuild the bowing green shuttle platform,2 track shuttle train ,1 train per track,this is how irt lower Manhattan infrastructure was intended.

@@alexthemtaandr211weatherfa2 That’s completely unnecessary since one can just walk to the ferry terminal. No need for a shuttle train that will just take longer.

@Tristan Antonov Ideally you can also have a transfer between Bowling Green and Whitehall Street, which will also add access to South Ferry on the 1 line. One of the entrances to Bowling Green is a half block from one of the entrances at Whitehall Street so with that, you have a connection between the 4, 5, R, and W, as well as the 1 train via the R train platform.

You can have that by instead connecting to the Whitehall Street station on the R and W. An underground passageway would be built to connect the Bowling Green side platform entrance to the Whitehall Street entrance at Whitehall and Stone Streets. From there, you have a transfer between the 4, 5, R, and W trains. You can also access the 1 train by walking the entire length of the R and W train and using the passageway at the end of the platform. It’s very simple.

Wait I’m first

So do i

You must be joking.

Agreed

Make a brand new bowling green station that’s a bit closer to south ferry,but there is Fulton Street just walk to the 2,3 platform.

Not to South Ferry, but between Bowling Green and Whitehall Street on the R and W.

It would be lightly used, a waste of resources, and a complete disgrace for Brooklyn riders since 5 train riders going to South Ferry can get there faster by walking from Bowling Green or using the nearby R train. However an in-system walking transfer to Whitehall Street can provide a similar service.

Yep. They just left it there. There might be some events where you can go in if you pay, I think they have that for the City Hall Loop

@@TRRailfan nice

Restore the old south ferry station completely and make no curve on platform edge,5 car shuttle trains,restore the bowing green shuttle platform completely and add a new platform,new entrance exit from the brand new platform.

@@alexthemtaandr211weatherfa2 That is unnecessary since one can walk 5 minutes to/from Bowling Green and the R train provides alternate service through the area and into Brooklyn.

No, it went back to oz

Unfortunately the line between Brooklyn Bridge and South Ferry does not have the capacity for the 4, 5, and 6.

How about a lower level below the 4 and 5?

That might work. Although it’s really not worth all the effort if passengers can just take the 4 or 5.

5 trains are already using the loop, but passengers are not allowed to ride.

Outer loop for south ferry

@JeremiahC99 yes you are allowed to ride loop trains through South Ferry and City Hall

@@TRRailfan Through South Ferry, because last I recalled, I though you can only ride through City Hall. But then again, trains won’t be stopping at either stop for passenger drop offs anyway.

Pretty sure you can ride on any terminating train unless it’s laying up or running into the yard

At that time, Rector Street and South Ferry were closed due to damage so no trains were going to either station.

@@TheRailLeaguer ok good to know thanks for that

There were no shuttle trains to South Ferry. After the debris was cleared out at the World Trade Center site, the 1 Train ran between Chambers Street and Rector Street, passing the closed Cortlandt Street station, and terminating at South Ferry.

Honestly the walk is actually faster than riding the 5 to South Ferry.

but you’re not

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