History of WWI Primer 108: US Remington Model 8 Documentary 

Fun fact: the Model 8 barrel nut was the first human made object to achieve escape velocity.

7:45 the guy was so excited to meet and work with the legend himself he croaked.

"Hey Springfield, could we have some actual backup weapons for our planes, that aren't bolt action springfields?" "Ooh you want some air service rifles"

@1:30 Imagine the alternative universe where Browning focused his efforts on the Fishing Tackle industry. He'd probably be the Patron Saint of Bass Pro Shop.

Have a great-uncle that grew up with a Remington 8 as his first deer rifle when he was a kid in Northern California. His dad got rid of the rifle when he lit off for Vietnam before he was drafted and he hasn't owned one since. After the war he really got into using single shot rifles like the Sharps in 45-120 he used to hunt big game across the American continent. I wish the old man was still as much of a hunter as he used to be but age has caught up with him as it does all of us. He has slowly started passing his collection down to me as he never had children of his own. From a Remington 8 down to him using a Ruger No 1 in 300 H&H magnum, the man was raised on good taste in firearms.

This traipsing around the 1911 is more torturous than anything else I've ever experienced.

My uncle has one of these rifles he taught me how too shoot and the proper use of a rifle/carbine with that gun those where the days it's easily one of my favorite older style firearms 🐻

"Red green rifle" holy heck If my wife is watching, I'll be coming straight home after the trench raid.

[Phil Collins through a tinny restroom speaker:] “I’ve been waiting for this moment, all my life, oh lord...”

These long format videos are now my go to video to play while i am prepping lots of brass. You are now an indispensable resource. Thanks guys

I had forgotten today was Primer Day. Hooray for Bear Man and Forest Girl!

John Browning is Utah's greatest gift to the world

Sitting at work, in the wee hours of the morning, and what am I doing? Enjoying a WW1 primer with Othais and Mae. What could be better? Also, being a Canuck, this video gets a thumbs up for the Red Green reference.

Yes, audio for the drive home from work

The FAL also has a similar bolt release, it's a push down button at the rear of the mag well and it works, but nothing feels cooler than yanking the charging handle back and letting it go on a fresh mag... The action alone literally makes your ears ring!

Mae: "....Preventing full auto fire." Me: "Full auto, you say?" Puppo: *Giggles* "I'm in danger"

The Model 8 35 Rem. is my favorite deer rifle. Over the past few decades I have taken over 2 dozen deer with mine. I would still be using it today but the old eyes can't deal with the open sights anymore. #5 Rem. is still my favorite cartridge and over the years I have owned just about every rifle ever chambered for it and I still hunt with it. Thanks for another great review.

Seeing how quickly that muzzle retracts and returns, even in the slow motion section, is amazing. Outstanding video work.

FINALLY! Been waiting for this one, this is one of my favorite weapons

I have my grandfathers Model 8 in .35 Rem, he called it "his meat in a pot gun". I'm glad we got an episode about it even if the WWI history is limited.

The amount of work you do on these videos are amazing. So much research and effort. Your videos are top class.

The little narrative story about the use of the Model 8 was shockingly breathtaking. The level of detail in the story really takes you there, to a real world event, and I can easily imagine all the things the narrator was feeling and thinking as he engaged with the enemy aircraft. It sounds silly, but I think this story will stick with me for a while.

In a be of your videos you touched on how this community is a small one but I woulda never known I was into all this without the channel I really set in to watch particular videos of more famous guns that had aired but it opened this door for me

"Red-Green" rifle just made my day.

That "War were declared" scene always gets a chuckle from me.

Well, that was a short and anticlimactic episode. Belgium: A short Primer? Not on my watch!

Such good stuff! Thank you. The Remington 8 is now on my collection list and that doesn't happen lightly. Your intro has fascinated me with the Rem 35 cartridge. Loved the air-to-air account -- just wow! The backstory on JMB and his travails with Win-Rem-FN was great new info...and I lived in O-Town, Land of Og, Ogden. If you don't mind the feedback, allow me to respectfully note that repetition of information chaffes a bit when OAL grows longer than an hour -- this was a 50-min. show. You explain concepts quite well and so I get it the first time. Transitions are tough for anyone, perhaps belabored here: No need to explain the backstory of backstory -- just "the background was...." War Were Declared rocks...for the first 2 seconds. "We've made room for May" is self evident. May needs no introduction, coaching, preamble, cribbing, priming, set up, prep, cues, lead-in, overture, preface, or prologue beyond, "What do you think, May?" She is a phenomenon unto herself. She's done one or two of these. We were there. If memory serves, she was there. You wuz there. We're all on the same page. I had a wonderful old buddy -- early-'Nam vintage -- who was a walking encyclopedia of firearms information. He got me hooked on collecting weird old creatures. On his passing he willed me his library and (empty) gun cabinet; I've since filled it twice with guns he used to tell me about. I wish like hell we could've watched your show together and shared notes. That would've been the best! In saying so, I can pay you no higher compliment or note of respect.

I wish I could just sit and talk gun history with Othais for a few hours one day over a few drinks and maybe a stogie... Also I hope this all eventually leads to Small arms of WW2

Last September I happened across a model 81 in .300 Savage. I had been looking for a model 8 or 81 in .35 Remington for about 10 years at the time. And while I'd still prefer .35 the .300 Savage is a great cartridge. As you probably know the 81 is just a model 8 with a pistol grip stock, I believe the forearm is beefier too. It is one of the few guns that I can't see myself ever parting with. Interesting bit of history on my particular 81, it was made in December 1941. Probably one of the last commercial Remingtons before manufacture turned over to wartime efforts.

Watched this video while cleaning and lubing my 1948 Remington model 81 in 300 Savage for the 2020 Nebraska deer season.

what a fine shot!

Another fact filled and interesting episode. Keep them coming.

You Sir do an excellent job. Very impressed with the whole video.

years ago I inherited a model 8 from my grandfather, it was the first.30 cal rifle I ever shot. I have put many rounds through it with no issues great rifles

My great grandfather brought a model 8 back from his service in ww1 which is still in my family. Further proof that they were used in service. Great video!

I have one in 25, one in 30 and one in 35 Remington. These were the guns used by the old timers for deer when I was a kid in Michigan. John Browning design steeped in personal nostalgia, I think I need a 32 Remington too! The take down was important because up through the thirties many people still relied on trains to get to hunting country. The Upper Peninsula of Michigan being a case in point. You could put the Remington auto loading and pump action rifles in a suitcase.

Hey Othais great video, I have my Great Grandmothers, (yes Gran-Gran's) Model-8 in .30 Remington and it still shoots like a dream. Handloads with 150 grain Barnes-X gives 2511 fps at the muzzle and very mild recoil like Mae mentioned. It's to bad your examples didn't have the Tang-Peep sight with the two size flip aperture. I believe Mae as well as you would love one with the Peace Officers Equipment Company of St. Joseph, Missouri's early 15, 10, or 5 shot detectable magazine. As for Gran-Gran's rifle I will never sell, nor trade it off, it will be pasted down with the proviso that it stay in the family.

laughed at "bro you left the safety on". thanks for another excellent video!

I have a later model 81, great rifle, the 35 Remington hits like a ton of bricks! Love that gun!

Great video guys.

👍 for finally offering an alternative to Patreon.

But what do Croz and Lewis think of this rifle? "Weee wheee wheeet!"

I have a 1947 Model 81 in .300 savage that I'm rather fond of and it seems some previous owner was too. It has at least one set of marks indicating a return trip to the factory for repairs, a rubber recoil pad that is still in impressively good shape, and interestingly enough, a tiny little button compass imbedded into the stock, a very interesting and relatively practical modification for a rifle you intend to be out wandering the woods with. A very nice rifle for it's intended job. I've almost found that the easiest way to load singly is to load it a bit like the Winchester 1895 chambered for a rimmed cartridge, you put the base in first with the nose up at an angle and tilt the cartridge down and slide it back at the same time. Works great for the 1st 4 rounds, but the 5th round is never going to be easy in either .300 Savage or .35 Remington because they are more or less jammed into the feed lips to be fed in right away and don't really sit in the magazine. It's essentially a 4+1 sort of setup.

Can we all agree that Othais' beard just gets more majestic every episode ?

The "Bro, you left the safety on" right after 11:50 cracked me up!

ive got an early Remington auto loading rifle in .35 with out the tear drop shaped flat spring on the side of the magazine. ive fired around 400 rounds without any feed problems. it seems to be quite a reliable accurate well made rifle.

Yay primer! I’ll just finish watching the wrap up of Finnish brutality and I’ll be right back 👍

'The Red Green Rifle'. You sir deserve a thumbs up. Keep your stick on the ice!

The precursor (in terms of safety lug) to the legendary AK-47, again!

This is the one I’ve been waiting for. I love the Model 8. Thanks!

Best non episode episode ever!!!

I was ready this time... kept my dinner warm waiting for this. God I gotta get a life. Or one of these rifles.

Last time I was this early Remington was able to make guns that functioned and not just a piggy bank for a parasitic conglomerate

…I hadn’t thought of the potential for the AK-style safety not being an AK-specific thing.

These videos are some awesome everytime i watch one i get a new wrinkle on my brain

Othias I want you Mae, Mark and Bruno to know you make my iron the big iron

At last, my all time fave. Thanks C&Rsenal.

So many technologies were so new in the Great War. This gun is yet another really cool “what if” situation in this series.

This is possibly my favourite gun of the period, I wish we could own them in the UK. So glad you did a video on it, even if it didn't see much use.

One of my favorite rifles. A few things though. The magazine on the Remington Model 8 is only designed to hold 5 rounds of the smaller 3 chamberings. The .25, .30, and .32 Remington cartridges had a smaller case diameter. The .35 chambering could only reliably fit 4 rounds in the magazine. The fifth round was fed directly into the chamber. It was the same with the later Model 81, with both the .35 Remington and .300 Savage magazines only holding 4 rounds in the magazine. The other thing you didn't mention was the recoil. This design was notorious for the heavy recoil. I have seen articles as far back as the 1920s complaining about it. Because of the long recoil system, you end up with not only the recoil impulse, but the bolt and barrel slamming into the back of the action, transferring all of that energy into your shoulder. It almost magnifies the felt recoil. Using the exact same cartridge in a lighter, more conventional action, the felt recoil is significantly lower.

I love this dudes personality.

Thank you for your content I'm a huge fan especially the anvil series, thanks

Its amazing to see the intermediate cartridge, action and function of the firearm in relation to modern tech. I'd love to see a video of this weapon of how or if attributed to the apex of military arms and intermediate rifles in its cross culture/ time frame evolution. Perhaps even cross channel interviews, like with Forgotten Weapons or with Vickers Tactical, etc...

Excellent Red Green reference...if the ladies don't find you handsome, you aren't Othias 😍

Just grabbed the model 8 out of the cabinet. Tonight’s the night old girl!

always enjoy your video's , you really cover these guns with solid info

That safety lever looks familiar, like it was also on a different and pretty iconic firearm. ;) Edit: You said it at 9:55

The other gun I own and have been waiting for and watching it just sit on the rack. I’ve never had a clip for mine in 30 rem but just loading one at a time is much faster than Mae trying to use the clip. It’s funny you mentioned this cartridge in ar-15 357AR or as they call it now 350 legend or 300 HAM’R for 30-30. +1 on disassembly of the barrel jacket

Another beautiful piece from the master, himself.

I bought one made in 1907 chamberd in 30-30 rem and I love it I payed $50 for a stripper clip and the only ammo I have was made 70 to 80 years ago and it still goes bang!

I own a model 8 in .25 Remington, sweet, sweet shooter, obviously softer recoil, haven't broken it down and had to take out a 2nd on my house to purchase (very hard to even find) ammunition, but so glad I bought it, kind of an impulse buy but so worth it

Beautiful rifle. My Grandfather had a Model 81, the subsequent rifle to this one (1936-1957), in .300 Savage. It was his "deer rifle" and when I was young I thought Grandpa was hunting deer with a shotgun, because of that barrel shroud. Granddad was a gun guy and a Browning lover. He had as many Browning designed guns as he could get. If Browning designed it, he wanted it! I inherited that rifle, along with several other great Browning designed guns, when he passed away in 1983. I had acquired another .300 Savage in the meantime, a Savage Model 99, and in my opinion the .300 Savage is THE BEST deer cartridge ever designed. I still shoot the old Remington rifle occasionally. It is essentially the same rifle, but has a pistol grip and they added the .300 Savage cartridge. The rifle, like other long recoil guns, has an unusual recoil impulse making it unique to shoot. I am not sure I can say it "kicks harder" than other .300 Savage rifles, but it is different. Note that the trigger and sear system on this rifle is virtually identical to the AR-15, the safety is similar to the AK47. Browning was quite a genius!

Does anyone know the song used in the intro? Love these videos and how very detailed they are. Helps someone getting onto the vintage WW1&2 firearms.

It's fascinating that a company would try to hardball the man who's brain was the source of almost all of their profit. Hello. You do not have the leverage here, genius. Note to future CEOs: when a situation like this arises, pay the man.

On my model 81 I found that m14 5 round stripper clips work really well

Terrific episode

So awesome to learn about the history behind these guns. I happen to own a Model 81 version myself, it was the very first gun I bought when I turned 18 years old because I love the mechanics behind it. I've always thought the long recoil action gives a softened kick that is more comfortable (I ought to mention too though that the one I have is in .30 Remington, which is equivalent to 30-30, it even uses the exact same reloading information). It was very reassuring to find out that I'm not the only person who fights with stripper clips in this model of gun, I happen to have two that I was able to acquire for a mere $15 each and they always give me a really hard time. I can confirm that the 8 & 81's are truly a 4+1 style magazine as both I and my work boss have one, and neither of us can manage to get the last round down far enough to ride the bolt over it. I hate to say it but I'm so close to replacing the stock on the 81 I have, I know original stocks give it more value but the one I have has two square-shaped, non-wood patches that are very off-color and unsightly, and the foregrip has two cutouts, one with a very nice ivory diamond but the cutout for the other ivory diamond (which some owner before me lost) has been filled in with another poorly done off-color patch.

Bliss, with coffee, best start to a day

Just happened to buy one of these at the store today in .30 Rem.

Great video- thank you! Just wondering- what would be the velocity of the .35 Remington round as compared to the .30-06 used by the Air Service Rifle, or (I was too lazy to look it up, and you didn’t mention it) the Winchester 1907’s ammo? Or the weight of their respective bullets? I would think that a higher velocity (and possibly heavier) bullet could be helpful in the specialized needs of air-to-air shooting; if one type held a significant advantage in velocity would it be more accurate (less time traveling through the air should mean less opportunity for the wind to affect its trajectory) than a slower round? Would the weight of the projectile also be an appreciable factor? As a comparison, one of the more obscure complaints directed at the 5.56 round (M-16) in Vietnam was that it was much less stable or accurate than a round from a weapon chambered in .308 (M-14, M-60) in penetrating foliage, or even in heavy rain- because of the additional mass of the larger round, it could “punch through”, vegetation or rain, and its trajectory would not be altered as much as the smaller, lighter 5.56 round… In air-to-air, hopefully plants aren’t getting in the way, so perhaps velocity would become more important than mass, but what are your thoughts? I started thinking while I was watching this that a .45 Thompson sub-machine gun (which chronologically was just around the corner) could have been the best choice at that time (other than a Lewis gun, or other light machine gun), or perhaps a pump shotgun, as given the fragile nature of the aircraft of that time (particularly the cooling system of water-cooled engines), eight heavy projectiles of 00-buckshot with the ability for quick follow-up shots could really do a number on either the mechanical or structural elements of an airplane, or its unprotected crew… But then I thought of the relatively slow velocity of a shotgun’s projectiles, and how, with the speed and relative motion of the two aircraft, it would essentially be like trying to shoot with a hundred mile an hour cross-wind, which brought me back to the Thompson- good rate of fire, multiple shots on target without having to reload/reshoulder means a good chance of adjusting your point of aim/lead on the target and scoring hits, a heavy bullet, but a relatively slow velocity… What do you think would be more important to help HIT the target- a faster round that spends less time traveling to the target, and is (theoretically) less subject to interference from the high winds speeds, or a heavier bullet that (theoretically) would, with greater mass, be more stable and less prone to deflection by high winds- surely those two statements contradict each other, right? They can’t both be correct, so which is more important- velocity or mass? Or, like most things in life, is there a compromise between the two that might work best? I’m now thinking how fun it would be to make (or watch) a video comparing different calibers and velocities of ammo for air-to-air use… Something like getting two Piper Cubs or their many clones, or other small bush planes that would have about the same speed as a W.W. I aircraft, and firing from one at a target towed behind the other, like they did for training in W.W. II (or like the advertising signs they tow behind aircraft to this day)… “Today we’re going to find out if a heavier bullet or a faster bullet is better for air-to-air shooting!”… I’d DEFINITELY make a contribution to make that happen!

All model-8/81/1900 are 5-shot magazine rifles. What does happen from time to time, is the follower spring may have been installed backwards after detailed cleaning.

Wow...I see so many modern firearms in the different parts. Very cool video guys

Just learned about the 1941 Johnson and studying it’s design and this one I see a lot of similarities that the Johnson likely owes to this design. The recoil (short in the Johnson, long here) the recoil spring in a tube in the buttstock, the hanging tail off the rotating bolt, the takedown though done differently, and the bolt handle for sure all are similar.

the safety flag and trigger mechanism were borrowed by Kalashnikov for AK. Very similar

Me: I have an 8 AM college class See’s C&Rsenal video on an obscure WW1 gun: welp, chemistry can wait

Thank y’all, keep it up

56:20 The rib is also good for dissipating the mirage effect from the heat coming off the barrel.

This rifle has a fabulous story.

The Red and Green show reference was on point.

Thanks!

Damnit I wish you'd put this video out sooner before I modeled this thing. So much good internal reference imagery.

They have one of these at my local gun shop. thats why i was curious about it

If you want 35 Remington performance in a modern gun look at 350 Legend. The wildcat 357 AR was made to replicate the 35 Remington in an AR15. (Then it was loaded somewhat hotter because the case and gun could handle it.) After about 8 years of development (by wildcatters) Winchester decided to call it the 350 Legend and start making guns and ammo.

Gotta love the Red Green reference!

The eyebrows at 7:20 are just the best.

One day, when I'm made of money, I hope to track down an FN 1900 rifle. The idea of an FN marked, flat-ribbed barrel Model 8 is just fantastic.

John Henwood was my uncle. It's cool to see you linked his book.

I came for the gun. I upvoted for the Red Green reference. Keep your stick on the ice!

"Schnabel".... cracks me up every time.

Been waiting for this. Awesome video.👍👍👍