History Primer 199: Webley's Government "WG" Revolver Documentary | C&Rsenal

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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
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Additional reading:
Webley Revolvers
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International Arms & Militaria Collector #28
The Webley W.G.
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The Field - May 25 1889
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@CaptRons18thcentury 2 месяца назад

My daughter ordered me my second gallon for fathers day... so im ready when i finish off the first gallon... since i have a few flintlock front stuffers in my collection... love ballistol

@johnf3f810 2 месяца назад

The 1886 "WG" you showed is the model I used to have - mine was blued serial No 1503. Simply a fantastic revolver with a double action that was as smooth a friend's MR 73 (though a bit heavier). I read that this model was only made for a matter of a month or two before the cylinder release was changed, a backward step in opinion. I only had a chance to put a couple of thousand rounds through it before the UK Pistol Ban, but it performed flawlessly. Now it is part of a car somewhere😭

@kasugaryuichi9767 2 месяца назад

Couldn't you hide it or something?

@zoiders 2 месяца назад

@@johnf3f810 If it were more than a century old you could have sought an exemption.

@johnf3f810 2 месяца назад

@@zoiders I tried! Even with a close friend working in the local Firearms Dept we couldn't make that one fly. Unfortunately I registered it as I wanted to shoot it and they couldn't/wouldn't take off certificate!

@johnf3f810 2 месяца назад

@@kasugaryuichi9767 Certainly could, but up to 10 years in prison?

@kasugaryuichi9767 2 месяца назад

@@johnf3f810 "oh no I took it with me to a canoe but I lost the pistol on a river"

@thecount5558 2 месяца назад

You can never go wrong with more Victorian era revolvers. (That 1889 is indeed in such a beautiful condition)

@imadequate3376 2 месяца назад

"Posted 38 seconds ago" Quickest ive ever jumped on a C&Rsenal video

@mattparker9726 2 месяца назад

LOL not as fast as I would jump on Mae if she said yes to a date. .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 picosecond There is an awesome, honest to god, mom and pop burger joint that sells actual milkshakes and malts and GIANT greaseball burgers WITH bacon. It's my comfort food.

@slowhand1198 Месяц назад

Cool. Fun and informative view of a progression of lock work that few see, much less understand.

@zoiders 2 месяца назад

Oh good lord is that a White Star Line issue Webley?

@GarfieldEnjoyer1878 2 месяца назад

a very beautiful series of revolvers

@blanktm228 2 месяца назад

As always fantastic work. Thank you guys so very much for all the work you do!

@zxcvbnm6669 Месяц назад

Man these videos are so super awesome !!! you folks are the best

@jonathanhudak2059 Месяц назад

My goodness that 1889 looks brand new practically, beautiful! Great episode you guys, loved it thank you!

@Tottleminerftw 2 месяца назад

Man that 1889 is beautiful

@stephenadsit2274 2 месяца назад

Thanks Ballistol!

@nicholasresar 2 месяца назад

For anybody thinking about it, I personally recommend the $5 Patron level as the monthly scans are a fun bonus.

@Stormpriest 2 месяца назад

I actually forgot about ballastal. That was recommended as a muzzle loading firearm cleaner as well. And something I completely forgotten about until you mentioned it in this video. Thank you for the vicarious heads up

@robertbean8116 2 месяца назад

That crazy trigger extension looks a lot like the Hanna Barberra cartoon character "Wally Gator ".

@busterkier 2 месяца назад

That 1889 is absolutely beautiful.

@williammurray1341 Месяц назад

Good report. Have a Webley. Best part is the video of Mae thumb-cocking the revolver.

@cheesenoodles8316 Месяц назад

The rabbit hole of Webly double action revolvers..... dang this goes deep. Very interesting....

@Lomi311 2 месяца назад

I’m Kay, hear me out. The weird trigger shape under the side plate @10:32 looks like a smiling cartoon alligator eating the main spring extension arm. I can’t unsee it

@beargillium2369 2 месяца назад

That's ridiculous. It's clearly a panda puking a rainbow 🐼 🌈

@johnfisk811 2 месяца назад

I think you have it right with the hip shooting thing Othias. The WG and service lock works demonstrate the difference between a civilian and military user. The civilian may want to play at precision single action shooting at a target but the military wants something that always goes bang and is only for use in an emergency at very close range in a hurry. It might be instructive to compare the military .450/.476/.455 Webleys to the .380 successors. When the military wanted more precision they went to a smaller revolver and weaker cartridge not single action of the big Weblys.

@ashleysmith3106 2 месяца назад

My sentiments exactly !

@88porpoise 2 месяца назад

I seriously doubt the .380 was to increase precision, especially when they would go on to grind off the hammer spur. The .380 allowed more accurate follow up shots in rapid fire but it didn't make an aimed shot more accurate and to allow for more rapid training. The .380 was likely more about the changes in the army over the first world war. Prior to WWI, revolvers were pretty much only used by professional officers who are supposed to have good training. By the end of WWI, they are used far more broadly by all kinds of front line soldiers in a large conscript army (while conscription was not practiced.in the 1920s, the British were absolutely planning for it to come back in a future major war).

@johnfisk811 2 месяца назад

@@88porpoise In WW1 most .455 revolvers were used by newly made officers and assorted other volunteer and conscript troops with negligible training. Even the few professional officers usually had not received significant training in pistol shooting. The .380 revolvers were judged to be more likely to hit in both the first and the follow up shots by amateurs. My father, a professional soldier, had the total training in WWII of “ here is your revolver and 12 rounds”. That was it.

@p.bckman2997 2 месяца назад

@@88porpoise , there was a stated purpose to make a revolver that was "easier to hit with for the regular shooter". You are likely right in that the cartridge didn't hit any more precisely, but making a follow-up shot more likely to actually hit something was probably a lot easier.

@88porpoise 2 месяца назад

@@johnfisk811 So, what you are saying is that .380 was adopted because it was easier to use with minimal training when they moved from a small professional army pre-WWI to a large conscript army?

@katelynneshouse2834 2 месяца назад

I've owned the Kauffman,1892,1896, and while not discussed in this episode the No.5 in .360 Rook, No.5 Army Express in .455/.476/.45 Long Colt, and the RIC Model 1883/85 in .450/.455.......why oh why did I ever let them go!!! 😢

@cseivard 2 месяца назад

Fascinating. Thanks.this makes my day.

@DrBreezeAir 2 месяца назад

Perfect timing. I just watched “Laurence of Arabia”.

@macnitt4039 2 месяца назад

Thank you😊

@sesfilmsllc 2 месяца назад

Indy’s gun in last crusade.

@kasugaryuichi9767 2 месяца назад

Woah this is so cool, two different guns in one video Make that three!

@JohnCliffe-oq7pv Месяц назад

I been trying get webly just like this back from my aunt my grandfather brought it back from the war

@demos113 2 месяца назад

Welcome viewing as always. 🙂

@alancarr3381 Месяц назад

Thanks

@festerallday 2 месяца назад

The blued one even sounds nicer with its clicks and clacks when being loaded.

@CTXSLPR 2 месяца назад

I feel like Mae is the Tom Cruise character from "Days of Thunder" saying I don't know how it works or how to say what it's doing but I can get the most of it when it's good. I think that's most of us with firearms even if we have engineering backgrounds.

@billmccrackin8825 2 месяца назад

Fabulous baby!!🎉

@bo12328 2 месяца назад

I was just watching the first webley episode where you teased this one like 3 years ago 😂😂

@Edax_Royeaux 2 месяца назад

Will episode 200 be about that much hyped about Galilean sniper sight?

@Charstring 2 месяца назад

Was one of the prices Othias mentioned 120 shillings? Brits of a certain age will recognise a hidden "dad joke" there - 120 shillings is £6 - six quid - an ill octopus! (Sick squid).

@beargillium2369 2 месяца назад

🐙

@oolooo 2 месяца назад

Best looking Webley , objectively

@uncleroysmusic 2 месяца назад

Hi, I'm Wayne and THIS is Ballistol...like most things in life, metal and wood could use some lubrication. Thank you.

@p.bckman2997 2 месяца назад

Man, those are handsome guns!

@mattparker9726 2 месяца назад

52:22 And that's why I want to get into gunsmithing.

@douglaskillock3537 2 месяца назад

Fantastic episode. As a British male I'm not quite sure how to respond to the slander regarding our womenfolk......

@CTXSLPR 2 месяца назад

Thumbs up for lexicon!

@memkiii Месяц назад

I assume you have read this: Small Arms Training, Volume I, Pamphlet No. 11, Pistol (.38-inch) No target shooting grip in there at all.

@larskunoandersen5750 2 месяца назад

that 1889 is beautiful

@tomhenry897 2 месяца назад

Does Othais work in a patent/ lawyer office? The research is just amazing

@ES90344 2 месяца назад

No, but there are many Patrons that search online and physical archives looking for patent information to aid the research.

@pluma8547 2 месяца назад

Sorry to ask since im sure you guys get questions all the time on other episodes. im uber curious on the pieper carbine thats been teased in the background before, had a friend in mexico who had one although it was really beat up

@timothyedge6100 2 месяца назад

Excited noises!!

@CharlesM-h3v 2 месяца назад

Mae is so beautiful!

@RichardGoth Месяц назад

Ergonomically, the later WG targets are some of the best guns i have ever handled

@MayumiC-chan9377 2 месяца назад

my husband always loved the Webley if they brought it back as a replica i know my husband would buy it

@Moondog66602 2 месяца назад

Using a picture of the stamped 1911 to tempt me is rude

@jackbrownrigg4669 2 месяца назад

Do you know where you bought the 250 round belts for the mg08 video

@Frank-bc8gg 2 месяца назад

that is an incredible bluing job, did they hot blue or rust?

@capt.bart.roberts4975 Месяц назад

I'd forgotten how bloody loud Webleys are.

@Davidgoldenswan 2 месяца назад

Isn't this what Dr Watson has in Sherlock Holmes 🤔in film's like hound of the bascavills 🤔

@hallofguns8174 2 месяца назад

Next up is the big 200!

@BLECHHAUS Месяц назад

Kipplaufrevolver sind cool :-)

@deezee2965 2 месяца назад

Isn't this Indiana Jones revolver in Last Crusade?

@colbunkmust 2 месяца назад

imfdb says you're correct

@deezee2965 2 месяца назад

@@colbunkmust Yeah! I always wondered why an american adventurer would use a british gun instead of a Colt or S&W.

@colbunkmust 2 месяца назад

@@deezee2965 In first two movies he used American revolvers, S&W 1917(modified) and a Colt Official Police, respectively. I suppose you could theorize that he purchased a surplussed revolver while he was in Europe at the start of the third film. In the beginning of RotLA he also has an FN Browning HP.

@deezee2965 2 месяца назад

@@colbunkmust Now that you mention it. I think I remember reading somwhere he used a Webley because it was more easily accessible for the crew that was shooting the film in England. But I may be misremembering.

@Edax_Royeaux 2 месяца назад

@@deezee2965 Given Indy probably visits a lot of areas under the British Empire's control, like Cairo, Shanghai or Pankot India, it would be easier I imagine to get ammunition for a British revolver.

@garrydeutschlander7404 Месяц назад

In 1946 sent a check for $14.95, recd the revolver in the US mail some days later.

@YerluvinunclePete 2 месяца назад

Wheelgun time!

@ashleysmith3106 2 месяца назад

As I keep screaming at the screen " No-one's going to be running into Battle with a pistol held at eye-level, squinting down the barrel ! They'd go arse-over in no time !" This is about the first time I recall C&R admitting that hip-shots would be the most likely scenario in Battle with a pistol ! That's how Mae should be shooting the things, to see how well they hold and aim instinctively for 5 yards shooting from the hip, as one would have to do in trenches in WW1 !

@ashleysmith3106 2 месяца назад

P.S. Excellent episode ! I am a great fan of and collector of early cartridge revolvers. It's a shame this story cannot be continued through Webley development into WW2 and beyond (just) !

@p.bckman2997 2 месяца назад

That would actually be a cool side project, like Project Lightning. They could, like they alluded to, make it a cooperation with British Muzzleloaders.

@brianj.841 2 месяца назад

They have stated over and over why they film and shoot in that manner.

@RyTrapp0 2 месяца назад

"admitting" is quite the odd word choice

@memkiii Месяц назад

The British Army WWII training manuals for the.38 (Small Arms Training, Volume I, Pamphlet No. 11, Pistol (.38-inch)) certainly ONLY show use from the hip, going as far as explaining the grip. Always from the hip, never up to the eye, and only using the sight when firing prone, or from cover, but using a two handed grip.

@jefffradsham2297 2 месяца назад

I must say that I enjoy the"all revolver lockwork channel" more than the "all 32 channel". Just s personal observation.

@nathanboerner2256 2 месяца назад

Your revolver ain't ugly, it's a survivor

@jon-paulfilkins7820 2 месяца назад

Othias "I call her Audry" Me, she not mean, green or from outer space! Oh, a Python reference.

@christhesmith 2 месяца назад

Mwah! Perfecto!

@AsbestosMuffins 2 месяца назад

do wonder what a .22 top break would look like

@travisruiz5205 Месяц назад

Mae is the best gun bae 😅... The internet can call the police. 😂😂😂

@reidhampton6799 2 месяца назад

I want to join yalls playeur or patreon, which is better? I’ve heard patreon can be wierd with gun content.

@TenaciousTrilobite 2 месяца назад

They get a larger cut from playeur

@greydonstautzenberger3901 2 месяца назад

Whoot whoot

@stevenwestswanson9263 2 месяца назад

Woot! 😀

@EGSBiographies-om1wb Месяц назад

Is Mae a vet?

@miles6289 2 месяца назад

Othias ive gotta know what shirt that is its been plaguing me for years lmao

@johnfisk811 2 месяца назад

Berlin pattern camouflage shirt.

@davidbarrass 2 месяца назад

pre-decimal UK currency. £5/5/- is NOT 5 hundred 5. It is 5 pounds 5 shillings and 0 pence. There were 12 pennies to a shilling and 20 shillings to a pound. So that's 240 pennies to a pound. If you really must simply, the conversion was to keep 20 shillings (although that name was dropped) to a pound but have 5 pence to a shilling, thereby making £1 = 100 pence. So post decimalisation equivalent of £5/5/- is £5.25 and £5/11/- would be £5.55. This change happened in 1971, and I only just remember the pound, shilling and pence system.

@davidbrewer359 2 месяца назад

A system of currency so simple it was used for a thousand years by mostly illiterate peasants. Note that the troy pound has 12 ounces of 20 pennyweights or 240 pennyweights to the pound. For a long time the Pound Sterling was pegged to a troy pound of sterling silver, and a penny was a pennyweight of the same. In the eighteenth century a reevaluation of gold to silver made the golden coin called a Guinea worth 21 shillings instead of £1. So £5/5/- could be verbalised as "five guineas". Guineas, having been fancy gold coins, were used to value fancy things like perfume or race horses and sometimes still are, kinda.

@ChuJungyin 2 месяца назад

"NOTE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE AND AMERICANS: One shilling = Five Pee. It helps to understand the antique finances of the Witchfinder Army if you know the original British monetary system: Two Farthings = One Ha’penny. Two ha’pennies = One Penny. Three Pennies = A Thrupenny Bit. Two Thrupences = A Sixpence. Two Sixpences = One Shilling, or Bob. Two Bob = A Florin. One Florin and One Sixpence = Half a Crown. Four Half Crowns = Ten Bob Note. Two Ten Bob Notes = One Pound (or 240 pennies). One Pound and One Shilling = One Guinea. The British resisted decimalised currency for a long time because they thought it was too complicated." -Good Omens by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman

@johnfisk811 2 месяца назад

So 960 farthings to the pound and thus 1,008 to the guinea, 480 to the crown and 96 to the florin. What could be simpler? So if petrol is 8/6d to the gallon and you have put 1 1/8 of a gallon in the tank of your motor cycle how much change do you get from a 10 shilling note? Americans seem wedded to medieval units of measurement rather than metric so why did they choose a metric currency? Perhaps because it was based upon the Thaler of the Holy Roman Empire so ancient enough to qualify? Mind you I still miss the guinea which was the pricing of items for a gentleman. Shillings for the common people.

@francesconicoletti2547 2 месяца назад

@@davidbrewer359a thousand years ago peasants would have used pennies and fractions thereof. The possibility of them every having enough money to worry about pounds is minuscule. Edward VI was the first to issue shillings in the middle of the Tudor period , 476 years ago .

@88porpoise 2 месяца назад

@@davidbrewer359Not really. The vast majority of people would not have cared about any unit above pence for most of that period and peasants would have primarily operated on a barter basis anyway. Even well into the 19th century a regular worker is probably just operating in shillings with pounds being more of a concept than a useful monetary unit. Not to mention that the English and British currency systems were regularly changing and for a century the closest thing to a pound coin was the 21 shilling Guinea (which started out as 20 shillings but varied over time before it was finally fixed to 21). As to illiteracy, greater literacy is actually a big reason for decimalization. Decimalization makes sense primarily because we use a base ten numerical system in writing, so until people were regularly writing with arabic numerals a base 12 system makes a lot of sense being easier to divide into discrete units as it is a more composite number.

@WalterBurton 2 месяца назад

👍👍👍

@McDylanNuggets Месяц назад

38:32 sounding a lil sus, ngl

@F1ghteR41 Месяц назад

54:33 Incidentally, the perfect summary of British colonialism here from Mae: 'Maybe that was the problem: too much blood on the hands'. 😉 57:54 It seems to be an explanation that makes sense. After all, they didn't even introduce the roller interface between the hammer and the main spring to smooth the action, yet chose to complicate the rest of the mechanism so much. 1:06:05 Jonathan Ferguson has stated that in his studies he had big trouble finding any pieces of basic research into the ergonomics of firearms.

@TheBattlefieldHistorianTwitch 2 месяца назад

Looks like my comment from the Previous Webley Video (the Webley-Kaufmen) that I commented on just got made 2 Months later lol. Fun Fact: The Webley "WG" is the Revolver that Indiana Jones used in Last Crusade & the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull not a Webley Mark 6.

@willhallam9999 2 месяца назад

Yey!

@Stormpriest 2 месяца назад

I have to admit I am a fan of the Webley, but it's the path to my fandom. That's kind of embarrassing to admit, there's a mod that added it to fallout 4. And it was a version that was the semi-automatic version? Where it would fire two or three rounds if you held the trigger down. I'm not sure if it even actually exists, but it was a neat concept all the same.

@CheshireTomcat68 Месяц назад

Ah yes, the Freiburg(er) Roadkill extraction system.

@8.6GivenAdqVacSysm 2 месяца назад

In the animation the underside of the barrel looks very thin, is that correct or an error in the contrast ’paint’?

@TenaciousTrilobite 2 месяца назад

The animations are not perfectly to scale. The barrel walls are quite thin in places, though. It looks as thick as it does on top because most of that metal is actually in the rib

@ablindman0 2 месяца назад

I just have one question... where da dog at? Hahahaha

@paulbarthol8372 Месяц назад

Lope, stack and snick? Might as well talk about its wisbug and ploop.

@TenaciousTrilobite Месяц назад

No one else made a serious effort to standardize terminology, so here we are

@EGSBiographies-om1wb Месяц назад

128th

@garyfeist9254 Месяц назад

Balistll

@davidtrail4731 2 месяца назад

British officers were there to command not fight . So the only time they would use their revolver is when someone was a couple of yards away . So you need a heavy calliber double action . Firing from the hip could be needed when someone is about to cleave you with a sword .

@F1ghteR41 Месяц назад

Strictly speaking, for the situation you're describing an officer would use his own sword. Matt Easton explained it well in his various videos on the topic and cited a fair amount of primary sources to illustrate that. The British doctrine around handguns, if we can even call it like that, was never all that logical and thought through, but presumably the revolver would have been used either for engagements at longer ranges (at least until the Second Boer war), or for fighting multiple opponents.