#Simonisacoward Why so many channels? He's spreading his bets. More advertising money from Russian companies. That's why he's such a limey coward who won't post anything about Ukraine!!
You say "another English warship" @ 13:53 but the Royal Navy had been British, not English, for over 200 years at that point. I notice quite a lot of English folk (even friends of mine) say 'English', when they mean 'British' and I'm sure this adds to the resentment that the 3 other British Countries feel towards England.
8.32 You got this backwards. Only one turret forward on the centreline, and two on the rear. The front turret was higher as the bows were taller than the rear of the ship to keep everything dry in heavy weather.
"Unopposed under crimson skies. Immortalized, over time their legend will rise. And their foes can't believe their eyes, Believe their size, as they fall. And the dreadnoughts dread nothing at all!"
A Hull of Steel and all big guns to serve the fleet Unrival FIREPOWER, riding the waves to war A devastating blow will send their foes down below Fearless Armada now bombarding their shore Light up the night when cannons roar In fear of nothing They lead the navy into warrr
Unopposed under crimson skies Immortalized over time Their legend will rise And their foes can't believe their eyes Believe their size As they fall AND THE DREADNOUGHTS DREAD NOTHING AT ALL
A shadow moves across the water in pursuit It splits the waves, commands the sea and defies the wind Instilling fear among its prey, feels nought for itself Ahead the sea lies calm awaiting the storm Displace the water in its path Reveal the cannons, align the guns, unleash their wrath!
In the North Sea, lies Jutland the stage for the biggest naval battle of the war. In the mist uncovered by darkness 2 mighty fleets are approaching. They are led by a new class of battleship, one that fears nothing. The dreadnought! (sabaton, dreadnought history version)
🎵Unopposed under crimson skies Immortalized over time, their legend will rise And their foes can’t believe their eyes, believe their size as they fall And the Dreadnoughts dread nothing at all🎵 “Dreadnought” by Sabaton
Unopposed under crimson skies Immortalized, over time their legend will rise And their foes can't believe their eyes, believe their size, as they fall And the dreadnoughts dread nothing at all
'Jacky' Fisher was quite a guy. Rough and gritty it was his efforts that account mostly for the rapid construction of HMS Dreadnaught. He pushed construction and did anything possible to speed construction, like taking the guns from the Two Lord Nelson class ships under construction rather than waiting for Dreadnaughts to be made. More importantly though was his total rebuild of training of naval officers and cadets, eliminating the old 'wind and sail, pomp and circumstance' training and replacing it with engine sciences and more modern skills. Jacky said once that he expected officers to understand every inch of the ships they commanded as good as any rate... He would make a good biography!
Same with the Great White Fleet of the US Navy. It was an impressive assortment of battleships as an upgrade to the Navy's capabilities, which were obsolete as soon as the HMS Dreadnought set sail
@Steve Lawson Iowa is NOT a battlecruiser, rather she and her sisters are full-fledged battleships. The Iowas simply represented a new generation of high-speed battleships that were being built by nearly everyone at the time. A battlecruiser is more than just a fast battleship.
@Steve Lawson It doesn't matter if you disagree. It is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of historical fact. The Iowas were not battlecruisers, they were battleships, plain and simple. The U.S. Navy never considered them battlecruisers, nor did any other power in the world. Nor did they fill the role of battlecruisers: scouting for enemy battieships and engaging enemy cruisers - they were purpose built to engage Japanese battleships. You need to learn your terms before opening your mouth.
Amazing video considering I just listened to Sabaton's new song of the same name. Thanks for the history lesson. I had no idea it was British and from WW1. I always thought it was German from the second world war!
Aircraft carriers and submarines have made such big warships redundant. Nuclear powered subs and nuclear powered aircraft carriers with small and destroyers in a armada can destroy army of such super dreadnoughts.
Anyone ever have RU-vid arbitrarily unsubscribe them from channels? I could have sworn I was subscribed to all Simon's channels in this universe, including this one. Not the first time I've had this question, either.
Long as we're here (on nautical firearm terminology)... There's an interesting detail about the actual notation for naval guns, as opposed to similar terms for almost every other firearm or similar device in the world... The "big" guns come with two numbers and notations (at least, in the U.S. Navy)... rather than just a "12 inch gun"... It's popularly a "12 inch 50 caliber"... The "12 inch" part refers to the size of projectile and related barrel, from groove to groove in the rifling, 12 inches across... The "50 caliber" relates to the barrel length, which has to do with powder requirements, muzzle energy, and effective range of the thing... AND it indicates 50 "calibers" long, so you multiply 50 x 12 inches (effectively equivalent to 1 foot) to get 600 inches, or 50 feet long from breech to muzzle... Other popular "big" guns included the 3 and 5 inch 50 calibers, considered "big" because it requires more than one man to load, aim, and fire the thing... technically speaking... in a combat effective manner. Commonly (at least since they were originally produced and used) the Browning M2 and M2HB .50 caliber machine guns were (and are) employed on war-ships for use against smaller vessels and aircraft as well, but these fire the same half-inch or .50 ammunition from chain/belt feeds that any other machine gun or "50 caliber rifle" would use... Finally, there were (and are as far as I know) metric weapon designs, including the 25 mm, which is a considerably heavier permanently mounted weapon than the Browning M2, and is referred to as a "25 mike-mike" by most Naval personnel. It's a dubiously obscure set of details, but as long as we're sharing terminology and some of the "what it really means" around here... we can cover a bit more than guns being breech loaded while cannon are muzzle loaded... You might find it all interesting. ;o)
@@fukkitful Yup... It's a different terminology at sea... Kinda thought it was interesting enough to share. If you happen to find an old version of the "Blue Jacket's Manual" it's the book given out at Navy Bootcamp for every recruit to read through (and hopefully learn) in the earliest months/years of his enlistment... There's some interesting information in there if you're interested... depending on the "era" of the publication... and your focus on historical contexts... ;o)
@Steve Lawson I'd suspected, but as I was never trained to be a tank commander (or gunner) I wasn't sure... AND while technically, you are correct, in actual speech with a sailor (at least a US Navy sailor), it's often going to be said "3 inch 50 caliber" when referring to a single gun... otherwise, a "3 inch 50" is a popular short-hand... AND I was trying to be specific to verbal communications... It's helpful when learning in conversation, and the "jump" isn't so big if someone starts reading the technical books and publications. ;o)
If the ship had been conceived of and built by any other nation it would have gone down in history as a brilliant move. The arms race which ensued was extremely costly to England. Considering their position as the foremost sea power with an enormous fleet of now obsolete ships, perhaps the lesson is "don't place all of your eggs in one basket, even if the basket has solid belt armor"
I don't think britain had much of a choice at that time. I think this very issue you raise is the reason they didn't built Dreadnought earlier. But eventually their hand was forced. Satsuma was already under construction and the South Carolinas were being designed. At that moment, britain could either go ahead or risk falling behind. Improvements in firecontroll made the older armament style ineffective, so the change had to come eventually. I think the royal navy saw this coming for a while and I don't think they were happy about the prospect of having to replace all their expensive capital ships with an new class of even more expensive ones.
But the US, Japan, and Germany were all already either in the process of building their own dreadnoughts, or about to be. South Carolina actually started construction *before* Dreadnought. If the UK hadn't built it, they'd have fallen behind. The arms race was coming as soon as people figured out that was a smarter way to build a battleship.
Originaly it was projectile weight. As in a 24-punder fired a 24 imperial punds iron ball. That ofc defined the diameter of the bore. Later - as in post-industrial revolution - I think "x-pounder" could also refer to the the propellant charge, but I'm realy not sure about that.
The costs adjusted for inflation never seem accurate. For instance, 300 mil would be a bargain for a modern day battleship. I’d imagine it would be closer to 1-2 billion for R and D etc, which was done on the Dreadnaught. I see this time and again in my own business and on channels. Always seems a lot cheaper in todays money.
Your writer got the ship's guns backwards. Only one forward turret was centreline, with the other two being aft. I suggest you don't pay this writer again. Also "the wing turrets were port and aft of the superstructure" Port and STARBOARD maybe? Regarding the guns, the "barrel length of 45 feet..." did not include the breeches, or even the chambers. This length refers to the rifled length of the barrel only.
A surprisingly rare notion until recent decades. Even HMS Victory spent a century after Trafalgar receiving visitors, but also doing scutwork like being a depot ship, and rotting at her berth, before actually getting treated like a museum. Britain preserved her, and pioneer ironclad Warrior, and WW2 light cruiser Belfast, and scarcely anything else of her naval heritage, at least in terms of intact large vessels. IIRC there's also the frigate Trincomalee. That's good examples of certain moments, but it's a tiny fraction. For a pre-dreadnought battleship one needs to see the Mikasa in Japan, and for a dreadnought era one, the USS Texas. It's so little left now of that era.
Your cost estimate for the ship is off by a little bit. Cost was £1,785,683, less than a tenth of the quoted figure. Conversion to US Dollars is also irrelevant as the currency was essentially worthless at the time.
I thought it was about 5 bucks to the pound sterling. I just fruitlessly, if quickly, googled. For some reason stupid google thought "1905 US dollar to pound" meant I wanted to convert 1,905 dollars into pounds at current rates, as if I did not know how to use a comma. Historical exchange rate sites seem mainly interested in values since the end of Bretton Woods. Such provincial minds and AIs.
@@randomobserver8168 I apologise. I meant not only the historical exchange rate, but also the cost of ship building in the two countries. In the 1930s when the Dollar cost of ships had improved greatly compared to the time this video covers, you could still buy 8 British destroyers, plus a destroyer leader for the cost of 2 US built destroyers. Quality comparisons didn't favour the US ships yet.
I have both Dreadnought and Castles of steel by RM, and I agree amazing books. I got them to learn more about the ship my great grandfather was on (HMS Queen Elizabeth). What I also discovered was how much an idiot Churchill was for letting Kitchener bully him into a land attack instead of one final push up the Dardanelles ( which I agree would of succeeded... they were so close....)
I bought a copy of that for my then-husband. To hear HIM talk, it was the only good thing to come out of our marriage. Both of our beautiful daughters would take issue with that, suffice to say.
It's a great shame the British didn't push for an exception for HMS Dreadnought in the Washington naval treaty so that she could be preserved as a museum ship. 😕
@@puppetguy8726 And the US did with Oregon and Olympia even if they later stupidly scrapped Oregon. That's what this makes this the most tragic. In many cases the UK cries about circumstance when people complain about them destroying all their ships. "We had no money wah, it was the great depression wah". But in this case they went out of their way to destroy Dreadnought(or whatever ship would have gotten that spot Dreadnought is the most likely candidate) as it made sense to copy the other 2 major naval powers and create a museum ship. The closest thing to a major vessel from this era to survive is the Caroline. The only reason Caroline survived is because it almost served 100 years at which point the British had so fully cleansed the world of all their historical vessels.
The Dreadnaught Hoax would make for a great episode of Today I Found Out. The personalities that pulled off the hoax and their friends were some of the most fascinating writers and intellectuals of the age.
Unopposed under crimson skies Immortalized over time Their legend will rise And their foes can't believe their eyes Believe their size as they fall And the Dreadnoughts dread nothing at all
The rooftop 12 pounders were only manned when the main battery was not expected to fire and for a very good reason: the resulting concussion would have done serious damage to anything or anybody close by.
Operating the main cannons in the dreadnought in battlefield 1 multiplayer is so fun. Level entire buildings to dust and evaporate whole squads of the other team
@@nevertrustbob1 probably coincidence tbh. There's a significant overlap between people who listen to Sabaton and people who watch any sort of military history :) in other words, you're more likely to find people here that would know about the latest album release, and therefore notice this "coincidence".
I have this book, "The Dreadnought", from those old time-life book series. I've devoured at least a score of times since the early 90s, and its what prompted my love of modern military ships and modern naval warfare history. I'm looking forward to this video :D :D
@@pervertfudge Im not sure who wrote it, it was part of a hard cover series from Time magazine in the early 80s. if I find it I will hopefully remember to update
I read that book as well. Jackie Fisher also forsaw the rise of airpower as the deciding force in naval warfare. He even said to scrap all ships, and replace them with planes.
I wouldn't mind a video on how the electro-mechanical systems of that era actually worked- the fire control tables and range finders, the ship's communications from station to station, and so on. Like, how DID the FCT actually coordinate the battery fire?
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cbXyAzGtIX8.html Try that, but I warn you that RU-vid channel is a black hole if naval history is your thing.
Why does everyone always ignore the fact that Dreadnought receives the credit for changing naval history simply because the British rushed it into service and not because it was a good design. BB-26 was designed and approved before Dreadnought, and was better in almost every category. Dreadnought was faster, and that's pretty much it. There's a reason every modern battleship followed the South Carolina design. All big guns, super firing, and along the centerline.
Also, Dreadnougt used turbine engines, the South Carolina's used triple expansion engines. And yeah, the British do heve some of the best names around for their capital ships, and Dreadnougt is a stand out even amoungst them.
The "Dreadnought Effect" is entirely mythical. The U.S., Germany, and Japan had similar designs already on the slipways before Dreadnought's keel was even designed. Jackie Fisher simply managed to push Dreadnought through before anyone else's ships launched. Ultimately, the "dreadnought" race was inevitable, driven by factors outside a single ship.
@@pringle239 Actually, only Japan's was considered a semi-dreadnought. The USS South Carolina was a true dreadnought. I suggest watching Drachifel's video on it. Dreadnought was not novel or revolutionary.
Dreadnought is such a fantastic name for a ship, and the class gave birth to the modern idea of what constitutes a 'battleship.' Though capital ships have moved on in favor of aircraft carriers, the Dreadnought class and their successors live on in our hearts, and in the last Super Dreadnought still afloat (more or less at times) the USS Texas. Fitting that these behemoths of steel armor and guns have a song on Sabaton's new album, and good timing on this video regarding them!
3:55 1 corection about the Japanese Ship. All the guns were 12inch but the barel/caliber wasn’t the same. I think they did replace the short guns later on tho i am not sure🤔
UNOPPOSED UNDER CRIMSON SKIES, IMMORTALIZED OVER TIME THEIR LEGEND WILL RISE. AND THEIR FOES CAN'T BELIEVE THEIR EYES, BELIEVE THEIR SIZE AS THEY FALL, THE DREADNOUGHTS DREAD NOTHING AT ALL.
If the US followed through its plans (of building south carolina class); then the very 1st dreadnoughts would be american. But they and subsequent battleships of similar layout would then be called "south carolinas"
Wait, why isn't this a Megaproject? Several US carriers have been on that channel and this ship changed Naval warfare at least as much and for it's time it was insanely expensive... I am mega confused about what is a sideproject and a mega project now?!??!
This could possibly be because while HMS Dreadnaught revolutionized the mark for big gun warships she had a very short service life and she was only a one-off ship much like HMS Neptune. HMS Dreadnaught was succeeded by the Bellerophon, St. Vincent, Colossus, Orion, King George V, Iron Duke, and the Queen Elizabeth class all within a few years after Dreadnaught was laid down. The King George V, Iron Duke, and the Queen Elizabeth class super dreadnaughts were better armored, better gunned, had super firing turrets capabilities, and saw battle not only in WWI but also in WWII.
@@joshuasill1141 She was still the ship that impacted WW1 on both sides even if she did little by herself. There were no battleships before her and the minute she was built all other ships suddenly became antiques. I mean, what has the Gerald Ford battleship done so far? She was a mega project and maybe she will become incredible important in a future war but we don't know that. HMS Dreadnought influenced naval thinking over the world up to Pearl harbor and the sinking of the Prince of Wales. The other large class that came soon after were the battlecruisers but those fell out of favor after their poor performance during the battle of Jutland and were soon forgotten. Heck, you could argue that she was one of the reasons behind WW1 starting, when the Germans saw her they panicked and started to build their own similar ships which lead to the at the time good vibes between England and Germany got destroyed and lead to an armsrace.
It actually didn't change naval combat that much. The U.S. and Germany already had similar designs on the slipways before Dreadnought's keel was even laid. The entire concept is based on a well-known naval treatise from the late 1890s. Also, Dreadnought was not the largest ship in the world at the time, so I would hardly call it a "megaproject."
@@jasonreed1631 Definitely - the rest of the Royal Navy really benefitted from it in WW1, which is why it had become obsolete, heh. These warships ended up being so valuable that they were "too valuable to lose", and only ever ended up in.. I want to say 2 engagements over the course of the war - Jutland being the main one, I cant recall of the top of my head where the other was - and spent most of their time in or around ports. Weird how that worked out
Bit of a history fan on the side I see my good man, you are kitted out with the standard English vox and a fine grasp of the platform and I wish you all the very best. ☘️
What do you mean by Mark X guns? The correct name is Mark 10, which you should know as us British love using Roman Numerals, eg. the SMLE Mk I, Mk II & Mk III/III* was in fact Mk 1, Mk 2 & Mk3/3*!
Except she didn't. Other big gun ships were already under construction at the time she was launched. She was just the one finished first. The real revolution came with USS South Carolina, which brought the world superfiring gun turrets. This arrangement would eventually come to dominate all classes of vessel through the age of naval gunfire. The "revolutionary" HMS Dreadnought is a myth perpetuated to shore up the reputation of British naval supremacy, despite the fact that it was a natural evolution that other countries were already capitalizing on, and she had numerous deficiencies like wing turrets which meant she was thoroughly obsolete just two years later.
Simon talks like spending $300 million in modern money on a warship is a lot. Thats PENNIES compared to what the US navy spends today. One F-35 fighter costs half a billion.
HMS Dreadnought was not as revolutionary as it has been made out to be. The U.S. and Germany both had new, all-big-gun battleships drawn up and under construction before the British even laid the keel for Dreadnought - the U.S. was building USS South Carolina and the Germans had SMS Nassau. The British built Dreadnought in a successful effort to beat both nations to the punch. Dreadnought was simply a response to South Carolina and Nassau that launched first.
The effect of the Battleship was more smoke and mirrors than reality. Many ships were built but how many achieved very much. The real significance change was the aircraft carrier. Relegated the battleship to history.
Really if you look at history the battleships really never had the big battle that they were designed for. There was Jutland but the Germans turn around avoiding the fight. Then there was the Battleship on Battleship fight at Latya gulf, but by that time the southern force was a spent force. Just my opinion.
“She was undergoing refit during the largest naval battles of the war” that’s the most British/American government thing I’ve ever heard. “Yeah let’s spend a fuck ton of money on this incredible weapon and then not even use it when we need it”
anyone else listening to Sabaton - Dreadnought and see this in the recommended list? don't know why I didn't see this in my sub feed, but glad it came up in the recommended list eventually