HoI4 Guide: Yugoslavia - Dracula's Revenge & Peter's Pride Achievement

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A guide for HoI4 Battle for the Bosporus as Yugoslavia now with up to 9000% more Subjects!
Following the steps laid out in this guide will help you to get the achievements "Dracula's Revenge" and "Peter's Pride" with minimal effort.
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@sfjuhispst8144 3 года назад

The reason why the french guarantee is so random is because it is not based on an event. The world tension just got high that the ai wants to guarantee Yugoslavia. Because the early game pp gain for France is extremely low, they could have run out of it at times.

@mathaeneus_recs7903 3 года назад

In my game in early/mid December, Romania starts getting closer to Germany(possibly because of the looming menace to the north). I think this is also part of why. Wait, France continued to guarantee them in my game though but my Romania was MUCH more(60%) Democratic than Bitt3r's

@niku4154 3 года назад

Hungary: Transilvania is hungarian! Romania: Transilvania is romanian! Yugoslavia: *_CORE STATE_*

@wholsom1003 3 года назад

Transylvania is actually Bulgarian because it was owned by the first Bulgarian Empire

@ahahaahaha7617 3 года назад

@@wholsom1003 oh so by your logic all pf europe should belong to germany because the “owned” it

@vmerkwurdigliebe3751 3 года назад

@@ahahaahaha7617 YES

@ihatebritain3942 3 года назад

@@ahahaahaha7617 Northern Europe, minus everything west of the Rhine of course because that’s italy

@nicholasdoyle2373 3 года назад

@@wholsom1003 stonks

@konigsberggeneral9335 3 года назад

The God of Hoi4 achievements have descended and has given us guidance in these trying times

@Bitt3rSteel 3 года назад

War...war never changes...unless they update it and release new DLC

@Gun_Metal_Grey 3 года назад

@Robert Holder 25 It will

@waterking1013 3 года назад

@Robert Holder 25 pretty sure its Italy and I believe that they will probably add Switzerland and Germanies Communist tree as they are near italy

@somerandomdudeontheinterne6520 3 года назад

Are you the brother of Kaliningrad General?

@bismarckandthekriegsmarine2954 3 года назад

@@somerandomdudeontheinterne6520 if he is he's the older brother

@bw6188 3 года назад

Is this why Yugoslavia dissolved? They were trying to follow your guide 30 years before it was made?

@Bitt3rSteel 3 года назад

Idiots forgot to take the right focusses and went for independence instead. Smh.

@zonelet372 3 года назад

@@Bitt3rSteel that’s what Serbia wants you to think...

@karotgamin790 3 года назад

@@zonelet372 wait… *what?*

@justindagoose377 2 года назад

@@Bitt3rSteel soon they will do the united kingdom focus

@justindagoose377 2 года назад

@Душан Вукић ...

@explosivo666 3 года назад

The Reinforce Old Alliances focus tells the British and French AI to protect Yugoslavia, and the reason France doesn't guarantee you at the same time as Britain is because they are set to ignore Yugoslavia when they do the Buy Time focus, additionally when the Munich event fires and the Czechs are abandoned the French AI gets an additional reminder to ignore Yugoslavia.

@Nocturno-vu6zs 3 года назад

Your guides have gotten me so many achievements for this game. Cheers!

@Bitt3rSteel 3 года назад

Glad to hear it!

@Teknotion 3 года назад

You want to improve relations with the French to keep your guarantee while justifying on Romania. That *should* stop them from removing their guarantee on you. :)

@Teknotion 3 года назад

I did just read in another comment that the French PP might be running out. That too, would cause the guarantee to drop. I forgot about that.

@Teknotion 3 года назад

I just tested it. The guarantee drops regardless of your relations (7 sep 1938), so I expect as mentioned, they've run out of PP or something. -edit. And it came back a day later... Weird.

@ProvinciaCGA 3 года назад

I improve relations and get the French guarantee back, It works, thnx dude.

@creativeflag2292 3 года назад

Another good video as always

@aeternitasromae 3 года назад

>40 minute video released a minute ago lol

@creativeflag2292 3 года назад

@@aeternitasromae Its a bitt3rSteel video of course its going to be good

@FreaKCSGOHacker 3 года назад

i love it when you use "heroes will fall" in these videos. Idk why but It just fits perfectly

@user-ui5lm8ei5v 3 года назад

Love your videos, I've been struggling with the revolution triumphant achievement, I'm already getting sick of it, keep up the great work

@Bitt3rSteel 3 года назад

I've been putting off USSR games untill Barbarossa comes, I hope it soon

@kavoco6385 3 года назад

House of Kurds but formed from any nation from Asia

@republic0_032 3 года назад

Kurdistan as Pakistan :D

@somekid538 3 года назад

It's super easy as Japan

@andresjoeleht2661 3 года назад

Challenge: starting as Estona unify the Baltics and deny the annexation from Soviet Union without joining a faction.

@korjen6554 3 года назад

That is like finnish him but 10 Times harder

@musAKulture 3 года назад

it's pretty easy. flip to facism, get shock troops 7-2 14-4, justify on both at the same time, slowly take them out, use a navel invasion order or better yet, paradrop. build sufficient forts along soviet border. germans wont even bother you.

@gregoryjames1542 2 года назад

Watching this in 2022, crying in the club since doctrines can no longer be attained by researching them

@taufikalrasyid7397 3 года назад

5:50 (After Munich Agreement) That's perfectly fine because we have a plan, sort of ... *Allied 1938 in nutshell*

@Dante-mr3rz 3 года назад

Reinforce old alliances causes French and Brits to guarantee you even if you play with collaborator king Paul. That way you can gobble up all of the Balkans before 1940. Last time I played I got core states for Bulgaria and Hungary so it is preferable to wait until latter gets cores on Transylvania.

@ZarexianMapper 3 года назад

Please play as Oman and restore the Omani Empire. I would love to see someone do that.

@LocalNoob_2 3 года назад

Cheers from Croatia :3 Love your videos

@scott3017 3 года назад

You make it look so easy. The first time France never guaranteed me. The second time I took too long taking Romania and they joined the Axis mid war...

@FMattebo7 3 года назад

Please continue these guides, super helpful

@zombieplayr 3 года назад

Another challenge might be to go down the Yugoslavia focus tree but not unite all your puppets, and see how far you get

@adamj.58 3 года назад

I did this run before they patched coring all your non-yugo puppets, so got all of the balkans plus Germany and Italy as core states. Regarding the guarantees in my games it seemed France and the UK would be more likely to guarantee you if their opinion of you is above a certain amount (30 or 40 I think).

@joakimmeh3797 2 года назад

If like me you're having trouble with the French guarantee in NSB i think i might know why now. Played this 5-6 times or so, and the guarantee seems to run out as the munich agreement happens (When germany annexes sudetenland) I justified my wargoal on Romania just as i started the focus "Axis investment" Following this guide, that way the french guarantee was still active when i declared on Romania. Hope that helps, otherwise, great guide!

@simonlevy1296 3 года назад

Thanks for the guide! Struggling to get myself guaranteed by France, tried a couple of times and nothing from them, I'll see if I get lucky in the next few runs.

@Bitt3rSteel 3 года назад

I've been scratching my head about their guarantee as well. From what others have told me, it's relates to their PP gain. So if they take a lot of -stab or -pp events, it goes badly

@LetsAMP 2 года назад

This guide needs an update, I feel. After NSB, it feels like that you can't even take Bulgaria without France dropping their guarantee. And you cant force them to give it back to you. And yes, I tried those steps in the vid 20 times, always to start ww2 cause I dont get the french guarantee back

@alexdreFalke 2 года назад

me too

@timothyhouse1622 2 года назад

So, a year later and I'm trying this out. For those who have not and wanting to, this guide will no longer work with Peter's Pride. The focus says that it will make Peter the leader of the unaligned / Democratic party but when the focus finishes some random generic leader is put in the place. This will happen regardless of whether you flip Democratic before or after the focus. You also can not do this doing the path of signing Tripartite Act.

@mjxw 3 года назад

Ah sweet! I was just about to try for these very achievements myself.

@moretinshop 3 года назад

Experienced something very odd with regards to getting that French guarantee. In my attempt following this guide, the French never guaranteed me. I couldn't figure out why, and was thinking if there was anything at all different to how I was playing to you, and figured I would try withdrawing my Japanese attaché. Didn't think it would make a difference as the connection isn't obvious, but shortly after withdrawing the French finally sent the guarantee!

@dario_fnatic 3 года назад

i love you so much nohomo because your videos are good tutorials and always work thanks maybe some chinese achievements?

@FreaKCSGOHacker 3 года назад

i say "bitt3rsteel" along with you in the intro out loud. Idk why but it's just catchy

@martinkalev409 3 года назад

Lovely guide. Because of France not guaranteeing me I did it on my second try, overall 10/10.

@RadbotSC2 3 года назад

Please do "Nobody expects..." Again. With Patches its quiet different now...

@InfinityMax365 3 года назад

I actually just completed this one on New Year’s Eve! What I did was support the nationalists, and once I won the civil war, I justified and invaded the Netherlands. The trick was to navally invade them through the north rather than the south, because similarly to Bitter’s “Finland winter war video” they will defend the ports closest to your country. Once I rolled through them I annexed them and puppetted the Dutch East indeas. Using the newly gained factories from the Dutch and my puppets manpower I joined the axis and pumped out as many army units as possible until ww2 kicked off. Now I might have just gotten lucky, but if you invade and control, enough of the western side of Belgium before they capitulate, then when they capitulate, you will gain control of the whole country. This means that the entire “German front” into France will actually be controlled by you, Spain, and not Germany winning you the achievement when Paris is taken. Obviously do as much pushing as you can with your own troops, but the German troops at that point will practically do it for you! Good luck!

@RadbotSC2 3 года назад

@@InfinityMax365 Sounds nice, I will try that tomorrow - trying this Achievment since Xmas now :D

@zwiebelface185 3 года назад

@@RadbotSC2 the achievement doesn't really work. just join the axis get warscore and ask the germans to give you the territory of Isle de France.

@scottmccollum2127 3 года назад

Just got both achievements thanks

@annaskaaki9584 2 года назад

Always great achivo guides

@falloutplays624 3 года назад

I tried this without uniting the country and i ended the war by invading the uk. I had the most score but germany took romania and left like the rest of the world for me. I can never understand how the ai always know how to ruin my achievements.

@tergatz 3 года назад

i love your guides

@BubblesZest 3 года назад

Hey @Bitt3rSteel, I've been wondering, are you going stick with just achievement run videos or are you going to branch out and start to do variety content?

@Bitt3rSteel 3 года назад

Will see. I plan to play some mods and challenges. Maybe have a look at EU4 and CK3, but I'm not that good at those. It's been too long.

@torrestrezeguet9742 3 года назад

Like doing what

@BubblesZest 3 года назад

@@Bitt3rSteel CK3 and EU4 could be fun to see, Vic 2 maybe even. Can't wait to see what you'll do lol.

@blazko_wicz2222 3 года назад

@@Bitt3rSteel Play some TNO, that mod is fun .

@jarlbreadmaker 2 года назад

So posting cause I used this guide to help with this myself with NSB, but had to adjust some things so figured I would share. The most important thing for me was the actions of the Romanian AI, who will put ALOT of units on the border specifically with you and Transylvania when released. I don't understand why they do this, but they completely ignore Bulgaria as a result. So I invited Bulgaria into the war instead of Transylvania, and basically took most of the capital and nearby area without any resistance. Eventually the troops on the border with you and Transylvania should thin out, and you can call in Transylvania and do what you see in the video. Mechanically, just remember supply, might want to invest in trucks but I didn't for reasons I will explain. I did have to do a little railway construction however, as the only Yugo-Romania border rail line is way off in Transylvania. An additional little thing I found, if you have an issue with France removing their guarantee, you can try and justify on Romania ASAP. Therefore when the French do give that guarantee you are almost ready to go to war. This was the reason I didn't have trucks, so it could be a harder fight, but it was that fight or no fight for me. Czechs will likely not do anything, I did not in my run see ANY of their troops in Romania, and I finished the war even before Hitler turned his eye to them.

@mr.monopoly2784 2 года назад

More division in yugoslavia you can have more factories and you would get them after you annex them

@16thdemon 3 года назад

Fun thing about Yugoslavia is that you can get a 1944 fighter as early as 1940 if you time your focuses right. Those things SHRED German and Soviet air force.

@finnwalters4113 3 года назад

That’s so weird. I thought that the video would be on Romania. I didn’t even look at the flag on the video😂. But this was interesting though, that you used the smallest bit of Transylvania for this😂

@SasafrasYT 3 года назад

1440p! so delicious for my eyes.

@swordsnspearguy5945 3 года назад

5:53 - Bitt3rsteel alwasy has a plan

@adferxis 3 года назад

Excellent vid.

@anthonyheffron5500 2 года назад

I decided to play a non historical non aligned yugo game and somehow got peters pride, easily one of my best games. Still can't break Belgium as Germany though.

@Waldemarvonanhalt 2 года назад

I think it would be nice to join Axis and wait for Bulgaria to get its Greek territories before you reintegrate all the puppets. That way you get those Greek cores as well.

@DDomi-rh6fq 3 года назад

Amazing video.

@angryface5557 3 года назад

There is a better way to by pass the french guarantie you justfie on grece as its guaratied by romania and dont call in arms macedonia and bulgaria so you will end up getting grece and romania without having to wait on french ia to be smart

@Bitt3rSteel 3 года назад

No, Romania is guaranteeing Yugo independence, so they will not help Greece. Doesn't go away untill Romania does pro axis government, but that also cancels the Greece guarantee

@angryface5557 3 года назад

@@Bitt3rSteel i forgot romania guarantie yogo too my bad

@Marxist-Nixonist-Bidenist Год назад

Update pls. France's guarantee never came back :( Edit: nevermind, I got it. It's just kinda RNG whether France's guarantee stays. I didn't get Peter's pride cause it bugged out for me. I changed to democracy and did the focus but I didn't get Peter II as country leader, weird.

@Marxist-Nixonist-Bidenist Год назад

I think rushing the focus Local militias, allied investments and axis investments is a better way to do this now since I at least had to attack Romania later than Bittersteel. This way you can easily take them out with superior industry. Also spam divisions early to save the manpower. Taking a long time killing Bulgaria isn't a big deal and actually helps you since they get rid of the Army restrictions during the war so your puppet Bulgaria will give you some troops, also your general(s) will get xp too. To break the Romanians easily just rush the supply hubs and you can probably battle plan the rest, I managed to have 24 9/1s in the war against Romania so it was a breeze. Just use your own units to attack on one side and the trash puppet units to hold the line and occasionally support attacks. Hope this helps!

@chronox694 2 года назад

Thank you for the guide. France guaranted me end of June1939, but hungary didnt take the focus, so all of romania got to my puppet. So maybe you have the same luck as me. I also got my realitions with france on 100+ Pressure.

@Alexei1727 3 года назад

Should have satellited czechoslovakia and puppeted greece too because of their navy

@Das_Johnny 2 года назад

I'm on my 4th try today. You lose the guarentee after Demand Sudetenland. France will Abanden you again. Even if you play very safe and dont go over 10% generatated tension you still lose the guarentee, and because france doesnt have any pp because of Disjointed Gov. They wont guarentee you, till they got enough pp. Wich doesnt happen very often.

@laurencesmith7436 2 года назад

The French Guarantee seems to be lost around the time Sudetenland completes.

@gifigi6006 3 года назад

I think Yugoslavia is one of the most interesting countries for me

@laurencesmith7436 2 года назад

@Bitt3rSteel You wanted to know why the Bosnian divisions do not form - that focus calls for the template "Bosnian Division" whereas all the other similar focuses - including "Divide Bosnia" all call for the "Yugoslavian Division" template. Just a simple error anyone could fix - just not anyone from Paradox. I made a recent post to the HoI4 forums as well as a bug report so hopefully they'll fix it. I even cheekily sent them a copy of the edited focus tree as well as a screenshot confirming that the edit works! I'll probably end up being put on "Probation!".

@anormalorthodox 3 года назад

Can I see the countryball you use for Yugoslavia full screen cus it looks really nice with the hat

@orbitinglogo6462 3 года назад

it just took france a while to guarantee me, took until december of 38

@dario_fnatic 3 года назад

so every time it gets over 40 tension you get western betrayal and the french wont gurantee you anymore

@resulax9274 3 года назад

Can you do hardly anything sevres achievement İts really hard I cant do it

@Ricuevas Год назад

I try it , it was really fun but i didn't got it with my first try maybe next time

@theamericanempire4679 3 года назад

what should I do if I dont get guaranteed by france? @Bitt3rSteel

@Bitt3rSteel 3 года назад

Be sad and cry :( sadly, it depends on France not getting fucked by bad events

@IrishWarrior1 3 года назад

I'm watching this now because I have tried 5 times to get the revenge achievement. My attempt last night should have done it but it didn't work

@grey_apache Год назад

Splitting Dalmatia and Croatia works better cause more free factories and a cool new nation

@dersimon6764 3 года назад

would it be possible to add the time at when the battle music is played? Would be awesome :)

@minititan365 3 года назад

Fucking love this dude

@lukedax5300 3 года назад

Challenge Taureor for MP game in HOI 4 :) that would be cool :)

@Bitt3rSteel 3 года назад

Considering I've played maybe 3 matches in MP, I would get absolutely destroyed

@lukedax5300 3 года назад

@@Bitt3rSteel maybe you'll win against Taureor :)

@raippakeisari2342 3 года назад

If Taureor is denied the use of "Order 66" and other exploits, he wouldn't know what to do anymore.

@lukedax5300 3 года назад

@@raippakeisari2342 😁

@crazylegolas823 3 года назад

nice

@smokefire3 Год назад

the french guarantee never bloody came.....

@krasnamerah1926 Год назад

When you completed Western Focus, France and Britain AIs would have 100 priority to guarantee you. But when Munich Conference happened, France removes the guarantee for both YUG and CZE and loses that 100 priority. Just checked the event files. Probably you must own LaR and put diplomatic pressure on France so that they would incline to re-guarantee you.

@stequila Год назад

Don't start A United Kingdom focus until you declare war on Romania, after you finish with Bulgaria and Hungary. You need to be very fast.

@Marxist-Nixonist-Bidenist Год назад

@@krasnamerah1926 I know that this is an old comment but did you try doing that? If so how did it go?

@krasnamerah1926 Год назад

@@Marxist-Nixonist-Bidenist, not yet since i still did not bought La Resistance.

@greenkoopa 8 месяцев назад

What other sort of former nations can you reform?

@jackdoherty5841 3 года назад

wait Yugoslavia has a new focus tree?! well this news to me

@mini_plays9649 3 года назад

Please update your video on hugeoslavia

@DragonHunter24 3 года назад

Yugoslavia best slavia

@crusader2112 3 года назад

Agreed. 👍

@Bahns007 3 года назад

I puppet Czechoslovakia through the gained Hungarian Land you take and that way you have a Claim/Core with the rest of Former Czechoslovakia

@zeljkojamett6732 3 года назад

Heyy, I have a question, he always says stuff like “this is not a very good template, but it's enough for winning against the ai”, so, what would it be a “good template” like?

@zeljkojamett6732 3 года назад

Sorry for my awful english btw

@TheNolunch 3 года назад

@@zeljkojamett6732 the more accepted "meta" templates are 10inf 0art with support eng and art. Use these for defense, almost never attack with them. If you can then make tank divisions, something like 5-2-2 lt-mot-lspaa for decent breakthrough and damage against opposing inf, or once you get med or heavy tanks go for a template somewhere around 12-8 (15-5 if you're using Mobile Warfare). These are your attacking troops. If you can't support tanks then 14-4 inf-art are okay infantry attackers.

@somerandomdudeontheinterne6520 3 года назад

It is sad to see you at only 15k becouse, even tho thats a lot, it is not the number you deserve Edit: btw Vojvodina is pronounced like u said, but the j is like the j in the german "ja"

@Entenscheiss1 2 года назад

Ah yes, Hungarian Romania where you need to find gaps in their holes. Makes complete sense

@brutalexis486 3 года назад

Spasiba

@livefire5239 2 года назад

I know this is an old video but can anyone explain why he does a civil war rather than just doing a referendum?

@alexdreFalke 2 года назад

cuz it's faster and costs less pp

@BLANK-kq8wv 3 года назад

What would you say is the needed DLC to play hoi

@yalz1851 3 года назад

Death or Dishonor (Balkan DLC) and La Resistance are the best focus DLCs. But Together to victory and Waking the tiger bring nice features too.

@Teknotion 3 года назад

You can still play with vanilla HOI. You don't actually need the DLC. In fact, it makes the game a lot easier to learn without the extra content. I do recommend all the DLC for the fullest experience though.

@raippakeisari2342 3 года назад

I would say that TfV is pretty much needed because of how it reworks the puppet system. Other than that I do recomend all the dlcs but they're not as "mandatory" as the TfV is. My personal favourite is Waking the Tiger because I really like to play as PRC or Qing China and also like the new focus trees for Germany and Japan.

@iseeyou5061 Год назад

Is there even in depth focus tree? Maybe the meta guide but i don't think not all focus tree as a whole

@WanWan21 3 года назад

1 combat width division only

@dersimon6764 3 года назад

whgen will the next stream be ?

@guidofurman6545 3 года назад

I just can't break the romanian lines, I did everything you did, same equipment and same templates but they will just put 5 infantry divisions in mountains and rivers and I can't break them

@stequila Год назад

Want that sweet juicy French guarantee not to magicaly go away after you conquered Bulgaria and Hungary? DON'T start focus "A United Kingdom" until you declare war on Romania. Thank me later.

@dario_fnatic 3 года назад

i took romania france capitulates trade gets stuck because of free france but cant get back my civs now i cant trade anymore and the sovietunion intervened and took moldova perfect

@jamieholtsclaw2305 2 года назад

'Stop picking on the Bulgars!'

@IvanLuthien 3 года назад

Hi, dont you think it would be good idea not to make all divisions 7/2? Imo if you realy want atack with inf + art you can make 4/6 divisions for offense and rest can be infx10. This way you have much lower industry costs and still you can punch a in strategic province. For the strategy for dracula's revenge personaly i would atack Hungary after Bulgaria to streatch romanians forces even more.

@tomio175 3 года назад

Steel is yummy? I don't know, it's quite... Bitter ;)

@guyfromfinland758 3 года назад

No.

@ianrobinson7208 2 года назад

I've been trying this a lot of times but france never guarantees me, any tips? Because romania will end up joining the allies

@BasedEddie 3 года назад

Have you done house of sevres yet? If so can you please link the video to me

@pcgaming7680 3 года назад

man i just did this and then you do a tutorial on it

@toonotsleep8 3 года назад

An Ai nation will issue one when a whole host of factors are met, they can retract them but generally it's uncommon Wt, 'perceived threat' (which on historical is regular ordinary dislike of Germany) and -crucially for France- availability of PP As you'll know, France is a touch... not good for political power, further than that the Ai isn't great at handling events such as 'communism on the rise' etc which will lower their stability and thus pp, for anyone being all min'maxy for this, check the french if they are on 'early mob' after 30 days from start of campaign, if so it means they avoided the first nasty communism event which reduces stab also improve relations and try to keep it positive 1 at least when wt hits 25, Ai democratic nations can only revoke guarantee if opinion is less than 0 (in theory), trading exclusively with the french helps a little too

@korjen6554 3 года назад

I tried this achievement and failed but i found out if you satelite moldova or ukrain when finishing romania you get cores on all of ukrain

@lewisglynn5842 3 года назад

Isn’t Dracula based in Romania?

@kianocallaghan5788 3 года назад

Yes but it is based in Translyvannia which is in Romania but it is the nation you have to puppet

@moonm3azarabia765 3 года назад

Make the euoropian union in any country of euorop like belgium or france i dont know 🤨😐😑

@TheGreenGolem 2 года назад

No matter what I did I could never get the French to guarantee me again :(

@mysitcowl4574 3 года назад

Why do you not use the Field Marshall frontline? Doesn't this require you to constantly change the front lines of your different generals?

@Bitt3rSteel 3 года назад

I prefer to do it this way, personal preference

@raippakeisari2342 3 года назад

Field marshal lines work if you have a lot of identical divisions and you want to distribute them evenly but if you want to concentrate some troops to spesific parts of the front lines, it's better to use general level lines instead.