Hoi4: What if Japan Attacked the SOVIETS Instead? (Plan North) 

What if Teddy Roosevelt was president during WW1 (Great War Redux Mod) only if you want to do mods, of course.

What if the UK🇬🇧 didn’t appease Germany🇩🇪?

What if the funny mustache man listened to Rommel and focused the war in Africa instead of Barbarossa? PS: Love your content, and this is from a book called *How H*tler could have won World War II. It’s a great book.

You did leave one thing out. Two thirds of Soviet aviation fuel came from the Allies- would the allies have sent them a bunch of fuel against the Japanese threat? In addition to all of the other Lend Lease they got. And with Vladivostok taken by the Japanese, the Soviets wouldn't have been able to receive a lot of/most of it. You just can't send as much overland/using planes as you can with a ship.

You are omitting one crucial point, i.e. US involvment. Do keep in mind that until Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, most of US was pretty content just 'financing' the European War. It was only after Japan's strike that Hitler declared war on the US - up to this point everything that was happening was, in American eyes, just another European border dispute, with some convulsions reaching colonies and overseas territories. Japan not attacking South would mean that the US would not join the Allies (either at all, or at a much later date - again, they were declared upon, instead of declaring on their own) and there would be no Allied invasion of France as we know it. UK alone, even with much easier situation regarding supply and their Far Eastern posessions/manpower, would not have been able to stage Overlord (or would do it at a significantly later date). Despite FDR's personal attitude, American voters were not so keen on getting involved in a war that was not their own, a US warship or merchant ship sunk by Uboats was not that big of a deal. Last but not least, all sides of the conflict experienced serious manpower crisis sooner or later. Contrary to popular belief, even the Russians were scraping the bottom of the barrel as early as mid-1944 (which is why female combat battalions were a thing there, a highly unprecedented development). UK might've ended up with a ton of surplus US-produced equipment, with noone to operate it; Soviets and Germans could've ended up in a trench war stalemate somewhere in Ukraine/Poland, with neither of them able to overpower the other side; likewise, Japan-USSR frontline could've also ground to a halt. Japan not wasting men on garrisoning bazzilion Pacific islands could've fought Soviets to a standstill, given the terrain and climate of the areas this particular confilct would play out. Still, a nicely played-out scenario that you've given here, kudos and cheers for that

What if Czechoslovakia sucessfully created the little entente?

What if Norway and Sweden allowed the allies to cross their borders in order to help out Finland in The Winter War?

I actually really like how you are explaining the historical context and what you are doing. Makes the video so much better in my opinion. Keep it up man.

What if the Romanovs returned to power in Russia and Kaiser Wilhelm was restored in Germany? (Road to 56 is needed I think.)

I actually LOVE these explanation videos. Sure, over simplified stuff is cool sometimes, but its very nice seeing the plans and shi

What if Japan was invaded instead of being nuked. U.S takes south, Soviets take the north

this series is really excellent. An interactive history lesson! Keep up the good work!

What if the Allies considered USSR invasion of Poland as a declaration of war, like they did with the Germans. It would be interesting to see that three way war

The Japanese soldier learning they’re getting sent to a frozen wasteland instead of a tropical island:

What if the US backed Germany? Popular sentiment in the states at the time wws very pro german up until the war with englamd end even then there was still large support for the germans as a whole

Tbh some of these things that these time lines would have i find would honestly probably be better then our own

7:11 The flat areas of the soviet U The flat areas mentioned are at minimum after the yenisei river, way after the baikal lake, at the other side of mongolia.

The alternate timeline concerning the far east is so far logic. Regarding the west, it is easy to forget the technological superiority of the Reich at that time. Even as it comes to a possible fall of Moscow, it was a close thing by km during real WW2 to likely happen. Even the Soviets could not have withstood a two front war. WW2 for the Soviets wouldn't have been possible without the deliveries of Trucks, and all other kinds of military hardware by the US in real life. In a scenario where the US is not at war with Japan it is at least likely that they would have supported the Asian-Antikommunist Cause from a certain point onwards with the same deliveries as the soviet union received in our timeline. Great Britain could have been easily attoned by a permanent land Grant North of Hongkong or beeing given control over Shanghai (even though the Japanese in reality would have hated the thought) on the other hand, by switching sides from Tripartite to Allies the UK would have been an Ally to Japan, this way the US influence on the international stage would have been minimized or countered. The War in the Pacific Theater with the combined Royal - and Imperial Japanese Navies would never happen. UK and Japan could reach an equal size of navies, while based on an international Maritime treaty UK guarding the Western Seas, and the indian Ocean to a line of demarcation, Japan would do so in the East. A different World order would have been installed, dominated by two established empires. The Netherlands posessions could have been destabilized with little effort by Japanese founded nationalist guerilla, same for the whole pacific, where in the end the Pan Asian sphere of wellfare could have been established quite like a japanese form of the Commonwealth. Right in between the German attack on the Soviets and the Japanes in the East, subsided (or at least not hindered) by the US the communist system could easily have been crushed. Not to forget, there were still elements of white russians scattered over east asia and parts of europe and even living within Soviet Russia, just some 20yrs after the revolution, that could have been activated.

26th of February incident mentioned! People don’t talk about it enough. Really fascinating incident/attempted coup.

Loved your defence of you providing context to why and how the alternative timeline happens. Im new to the channel and its something ive really enjoyed! Keep up the good work

3 additional possibilities, which I have doubts about The stabilization of China could not have been more problematic than expected, meaning that when Japan attacked the USSR, Germany would already seize the opportunity Second possibility with the Japanese threat, the USSR's demands to join the Axis would be relatively lower, to the point that they could be considered by them as reasonable, USSR joins the Axis Three through the tests, couldn't Japan change part of the strategy of not improving the strategy of just throwing bodies at the enemy? I tend to agree no, but still

Okay, I got one of the videos I asked for (Kodaha Faction supported), but not the victory I wanted... I'll call that a win. Thanks for entertaining (most) of my silly idea! Now for the others: - What if Poland, despite all odds, was able to get its act together and either resist the Germans or, perhaps, ally with them against the Soviets? (Poland cedes Danzig, goes fascist or something else entirely...having Wojtek lead the way would be extra hilarious) - What if Italy brings back the actual Roman Empire (not the 'Greater Italy' that this video did, but the actual Roman Empire. Extra points for it to be lead by the the Pope) - What if Germany somehow, through some wild twists of fate, somehow manages to bring back the Holy Roman Empire? (not sure if you've done this 'hidden' path yet for Germany or not) I do realize that in the context of possible/plausible that these are even less likely than the Kodaha Faction taking over... I still really like the way you present these Alt-History events, so I'm still going to try with them.

What if Japan skipped Pearl Harbor and the Philippines

I think your analysis is generally very well thought out, though I do think the Japanese may have been able to use captured soviet tanks to further improve the Chi-Nu or complete its development earlier, allowing for the IJA to deploy real tank forces like we’d see in Europe(albeit more as specialized divisions, instead of a fully tank-based army). This would obviously take longer, and be harder to maintain, though it may have given them an opportunity for a second offensive instead of the stalemate they found themselves in. A marine landing on the Kamchatka peninsula to circle around could also be an option, if only to redirect some Soviet forces and allow for the front to move some more earlier on. Either way, I love the way you contextualized your decisions and the commitment to historical events as the guide for the campaign.

I've discussed this scenario before and for me, the biggest parts of it weren't necessarily connected directly to Japan either winning or losing against the USSR...it was in how it affected so many events that followed IRL timeline and what dominoes could have resulted. The sheer amount of butterflies this creates, even if Japan loses or is bogged down are immense. It would affect the Lend lease to the USSR. It would affect the Chinese Civil War. It would affect the actual WW2 due to many of the SEA colonies and nations being able to send more resources to the european theatre or at least not having to split resources in the SEA theatre. It would heavily affect America's involvement in WW2 due to the lack of a galvanizing incident to rally the public around interventionalism. It was just a massive ripple that also made it hard to extrapolate how things would go due to how much was actively being changed and thus, causing new actions and reactions around it.

Another thing to add js that without the Japanese invasion of the east Indies a lot of man power and ships would have been freed up in the west as well and if the emperor is in charge i wonder how things might have played out with a more cautious leader at the wheel.

What if Siam returned to absolute monarchism.

What if you waited the Germans to reach outside of Moscow before commencing your part of the attack as Japan?

O and for hoi 4 "Canada wanted to form greater Canada and went artist painter mode"

I love that 1936 Japan had two factions, one supporting expansion north and one supporting expansion south, but peace wasn't even an option

This is a kooky one, but what if, right after Hitler nearly took full control of Germany, Kaiser Wilhelm was manipulated by Prussian nationalists and he started a large-scale rebellion in the Prussian homelands, including the Polish lands, and brought back Prussia as an independent state. If you need lore as to why he wasn't stopped and why he didn't fully take over, Hitler hadn't yet fully remobilized the military, as it was only 1933, and this "manipulator" convinced Wilhelm that he couldn't fully take over and that the Prussians being independent was better anyway. Basically, what if Prussia was independent. Also, I really love your videos and alternate history in general

You could also justify that tanks consume a lot of man hours and steel that could go instead towards solving simpler troop needs during a time of severe metal shortages. In addition, the main purpose of Japanese settlement in Manchuria was to increase food production to feed the hungry populations back home. This meant that manpower was more affordable compared to a steel box.

I love these videos. I enjoy the explanations behind why is could work out these seperate ways. Keep on with these videos

What if funny mustache man was kicked out of office

Hi Stakuyi! If you think it'd be worth it, I think a playthrough of the Youjo Senki Redux mod would be fun to see. Please? It would really make my day. =^x^=

The big whatif in that scenario is if Japan attacked the US and if not, if the US would join the war anyways. The Soviets would have lost to Germany alone without massive US/British land lease help. No chance they could have won a two front war without the help.

i do thoroughly enjoy how you take time to explain the context and show how it would play out, yes it is not the fastest way to win the game, but i'm not watching this videos to lean that, but rather what happen in history.

The biggest change in this alternative scenario would be no kawaii Japan.

Something you forget is that I'm this timeline, the soviets run out of fuel. Lend lease has limited ports. The soviets have men and tanks, but no food or fuel. The soviets then crumble.

Actually Hirohito was not opposed to war. In reality he was the behind the scene leader of the strike south faction. It was because of his opposition to the strike north faction that the 1936 coup failed,

Since I saw someone mention WW1 what if Britain never gets involved by Germany never attacking Belgium

Alternative scenarios: France along with Britain and Italy contests Rhineland/Annexation. Italy having reproached the UK and France about promised lands in Yugoslavia and wanting control over Italian populations in Austria. What if the Czechs had given the Allies the middle finger and not surrendered their most fortified and industrialized territory to the Germans. What would the UK and French reaction be? What if through a political blunder by a Roosevelt political opponent or Nazi spy/sabotage ring had been blown open and severely crippled isolationism sentiments and policies? What if Neville Chamberlain's **actual** appeasement policies had been successful? Where the smaller democracies had been temporarily sacrificed to the Germans to allow more time for rearmament and the UK/French generals hadn't thrown away the opportunity to actually use the Maginot Line. The Germans seemed invincible but I doubt Panzer IIIs and especially Panzer IIs, some which only had machine guns, get thrown at the Maginot.

Not sure if this is a user issue and limited to my device, but it seems that we are lacking a vit of the screen both on the left and the right. I dont see the full flag on the left and the date and clock on the right are also cut out. Not sure if this is intentional, or a bug, but if it is a bug i hope it is fixed in the future @stakuyi

PETITION FOR DEMOCRATIC MENGKUKO

I dunno if it has already been done, but a vid on Lord Halifax becoming PM instead of Churchill and working with the Germans would be interesting. Maybe a situation where the US and UK lend leasing Germany while France decides to go it alone on the continent, maybe reforming the Little-Entente + an Italy playing both sides to empower itself?

I started writing an adulterate history story and started to work backwards as I realized all the set up it would to take make it even start to make sense.

what if war between Germany and the Soviets broke out before war between Germany and the Allies?

What if the Schlieffen Plan worked in ww1?

Love your videos man, always some amazing high quality content

the kwantung army was not of the Kodoha faction and had a mind all its own. In spite of specific restraints from Army HQ they initiated the Mukden Incident (1931) and the Marco Polo Bridge incident. They know fighting against the Soviets was tough, unless you have a way to move Zhukov (plus a few more able generals) out of the Soviet Far East.....

Love this series! Lots of fun. The "so it is" drinking game is going to make me need a new liver soon

as a historian I really enjoy your videos, sometimes its just nice to get lost in possibilities of the past that were actually realistic

What if Canada became its own monarchy and eventually independent. (In Vic 3 If you have?)

They did attack the Soviets in 1939. At the Battle of Khalkhin Gol, they got trounced by Zhukov (he wasn't a marshal then) forever ending their ambitions of attacking Europe.

What if Italy Joined WW1 on the side of the Central Powers dont really know a lot about Italy political leading up to ww1 so would love to learn about it loving this series using gaming to teach history and potential alterative histories as someone who grew up learning through grand strategy games as a starting point for history study I love this I hope you keep making more videos like this

How about a what if video that Manchukuo declares independence, retake China, Puyi gets his throne back and brings glory to the Qing Dynasty.

What if the ottoman sultan came back during ww2

What if The soviets Joined the Axis

I think at 7:45 this is a huge misunderstanding, Japanese tank designs were specifically shit because they figured their main enemy would be China, a country with no tanks. The Japanese figured they could throw whatever tank they had at the Chinese and it would win because it would be better than literally nothing. If Japanese planning was set to invade the Soviet Union regardless of terrain, tank development would have definitely been prioritized

What if the Netherlands was given Belgium and Luxembourg back to form a buffer state after ww2? (It’s in the monarchist path, right near the bottom)

funny thing is that this alternate history would never be possible. after the meiji restoration japan was short on government officials and military leaders. because of that they had no choice but to reintegrate parts of the old shogunate into the newly formed government with the imperial loyalists consolidating in the navy and higher ranking government positions while the old shogunate loyalists formed the bulk of the army. nobody in the japanese government trusted the army which is why they were so desperate for recognition which ultimately ended in them being less reliable when i came time to actually fight a war reducing support for them even more. so for a scenario like this to be possible history would need to be rewritten all the way back to the meiji restoration.

What if Finland won the Winter War?

Love these video types

What if: The Imperial Federation formed in 1937? And the king having almost absolute power?

This video sounds like an episode Swinceball might make

I find it hard to believe, that the Soviets could have anywhere near the logistics support across Siberia (one double rail line) to contest with the forces you claim. Once it's cut, Japan advances as far as that line can support them then stalemate for a really long time.

nobody mentioning the “Sorry I have nuts in my mouth”

what I hate with these kinds of videos is that there aren't enough. I believe you can change that Stakuyi.

It is genuinely interesting on how the world would have turned out in this scenario after WW2. Basically Japan becoming the third superpower to rival the United States and Soviet Union in the cold war, especially after Japan obtains nuclear weapons.

What if the USSR started ww2 instead of germany

What if Italy formed the Rome Protocols?

Bypass the Philippines is always also an interesting option. Due to, in part, the Atlantic treaty Japan thought it had no choice but to strike the US. But given US reluctance to join the war if they had just gone after Indonesia, Malaysia and Indochina, followed by an earlier Ichi Go to establish a land corridor. The question is if the US would have joined.

What if the soviet union had a second civil war supported by the axis and then joining them

Actually, what if the Soviet Union and the USA formed their own alliance? FDR was notoriously sympathetic towards Stalin and a lot of the American journalists and high society/intellectual types thought that Russia would usher in a new evolution for civilization, before it came crushing down due to both Operation Keelhaul and the absurd amount of concessions to the Soviets that had Churchill completely hysterical at his allies.

They did. Part of why the Soviets pushed for a non-aggression pact with Germany was because they were already at war with Japan, and did not want a two front conflict. That war ended in April 1941, likely prompting Hitler to begin preparations for Barbarossa, so the Soviets would not have time to move their forces into Europe.

I feel like in this scenario, it might not be so unthinkable that the allies pull off Operation Unthinkable. With no pacific war, while the US would be delayed joining the war, they still would EVENTUALLY join. It was basically inevitable the way public opinion was going. Regardless, the war would still end well into 1944. With the war ending earlier, the allied armies likely as deep into Europe as Warsaw, and with the lack of a costly pacific theatre diverting troops and taking away resources, an invasion of what would be seen as a weakened USSR (they did just lose Moscow after all) that was seemingly reliant on US weapons imports to supply their armies for half the war might not be impossible. In such a case Lend Lease would find itself going to the Japanese rather than the soviets after the war. The loss of Japanese tanks and planes being slowly replaced with new American models coming in to even the tides. Japan wouldn't be eager to accept American help, and perhaps even some american soldiers on the ground if it fully escalates to Operation Unthinkable, but by this point, so long as they're given promise of obtaining the resources in Siberia (along with promises that the United Nations see asians as equals as they wanted in Versailles) Japan, tired from the war, might be willing to bite their pride for a little bit of help. Either way the war is still carried by the allies while the Japanese kind of sit stagnant for a few more months or years, at most taking back a bit more land but never seeing a full offensive against the now entrenched soviet siberian defense lines. The first atomic bomb would be dropped on the USSR (The USSR might be aware of the bomb, but they wouldn't have their own in time to realistically stop the USA from nuking them several times), the USSR would collapse, democracy would be restored in Russia, and Japan would probably not get most of what they wanted. By this point, however, Japan would be in no position to really complain. Their hold on China probably wouldn't last another few decades, forcing them to give up control either peacefully in hopes of maintaining their position as the leader of the asian world, or lose it violently and be forcibly cast out of the continent, or at least out of China proper if they can hold onto Manchuria. The United Nations would probably have the Japan rather than China become one of the permanent security council members. Whether or not the Kodoha faction could hold onto power forever would also depend on the outcome of this war. A more liberalized or Emperor-Centric Japan could emerge after the war. A victory might be enough to secure their control in the populous' eyes, but a victory where Japan barely gets anything could be used and/or lead to the kodohas being overthrown by the people or another internal faction/element, leading to another government or perhaps liberalization if we're being a bit more optimistic. In the long term I don't see Japan's Empire staying, however. At most, they might keep influence over China and holdings in Siberia (likely through 'independent' Siberian States), but the USA and the Allies, after years of taking down tyrannical goverments, would not tolerate Japan if it tried anything outside of its immediate sphere. At least unless Japan can somehow make nukes.

One could bring the idea of this "crossroads" for Japan back to the Interwar period. Japan was en route to becoming a burgeoning democracy, and had growing diplomatic ties with the UK, yet, the Old Guard of the military, whose ancestors grew up Samurai, or Shogunate, I forget which while writing this, deeply resented the Westernisation/Modernisation of Japan, and began to take action to militarise and nationalise their country into a more conservative background. For instance, the initial invasion of Manchuria, Manchukuo, was begun in much the same way as the Marco Polo Incident. A False Flag attack, planned in advance by radical militarist factions, who then immediately, and autonomously from the government, began the war to seize the land of Manchuria. They won, their gambit paid off, and thus the military gained infamy on the international stage, diplomatically isolating japan, and internally, wherein the government were damned if they denounced their own military, for fear of a coup, and, of assasination, a plague in Japanese politics at this time. The more isolated Japan became, the more nationalised the society became. The more nationalised it became, the more xenophobic its' outlook on the rest of the world, the more it became isolated, straining US-JPN relations to breaking point, and they eventually broke, over China. Kraut did quite a good video on this topic, I found it quite educational, though, he never made a Pt. 2 as he said he would, so it remains a half an hour documentary on the rise of Authoritarianism from the ashes of a once-growing democracy. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-voo0CpPcE0c.html

can you do one where you play the faction as your self/ i.e making the best posable choices for given faction?

Absent Pearl Harbor, it cannot be assumed that the US would enter the war against Germany before or during 1942... thus, no Operation Torch, no invasion of Sicily, and then Italy. With large Soviet forces in the East, Barbarossa would meet less resistance, and progress further. How much? Nobody can say, but they were on the doorstep of Moscow in the real event, so it is easy to imagine Germany capturing Moscow, and likely Leningrad as well. It is possible that the Soviets would be compelled to make peace with Japan, ceding territory, to have any chance of stopping Germany. Without the US, Britain would be harder-pressed, even without the need to send forces to the Pacific to defend against Japan. Sea Lion would likely still have to be called off, and it is hard to say what would have happened in North Africa, in the longer term, but Germany would certainly have been in a better position to win the U-boat war in the Atlantic, or at least endure there longer, at greater cost to Britain... which could not realistically threaten a Continental invasion without the US in 1944, even if it was not compelled to sue for peace.

What if the United States was not isolationist in the buildup to WWII? (Limited Intervention path) Not sure how doable this one is in the game, but what if Belgium hadn't reneged on it's mutual defense pact with France? What if Denmark had joined the Allies instead of surrendering immediately?

Dumb one I know but What if the British reinforced Dunkirk instead of pulling out?

What if Italy stayed allied with France and Britain (aka What if the Stresa Front never dissolved?)

he needs to have another video of how he would have done that instead of how they would that

Is it possible to fix the aspect ratio of the video? It’s a bit funky how the screen is so cut off.

My request is what if Cromwell had made a real Commonwealth.

I would argue it would depend if the Japanese Army developed their air force as well as when the Japanese Navy was trying to take the pacific. If Japan develops it's Air force more than the Tank force the soviets might not be able to utilize their numbers advantage. it's a fun thought experiment either way.

Fascist, historical Japan, was a shogunate in all but name with how the military basically ran everything. The non-aligned Japan isn't much different. If you go modern shogunate, you're already in a modern shogunate. It'd still be the military running things. So it's either they are both the Empire of Japan or the Japanese Shogunate. You can't have both. Even democratic American Occupation of Japan could be the Japanese Shogunate, as Douglas MacArthur was a military officer who was in supreme command of Japan. He was actually referred to as a shogun by some of the populace at the time.

This is an amazing video, I always wondered if Japan ever attacked the Soviets rather than the West

Video 1 of counting the videos of me asking for Finland to win the Winter war, and because of this was neutral (at least for most of the war)

Bro makes HOI4 alt paths seem realistic

Not gonna lie I always ignored your hoi4 what ifs because I thought you were just playing through an alt branch of the focus tree, I didn’t know you were actually going through it like an alt hist video recon I’ll give the others a watch too.

The darkest timeline: What if Germany expanded on the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact? AKA The Berlin-Moscow Axis.

3:49 resources maybe. But I don’t think there is much usable oil in eastern Siberia.

Can you do a WW1 scenario where Roosevelt or Taft won the election instead of Wilson?

Stak. You get me every time. I will eat 4 notebook pages if you play the Red Flood mod.

bro got soo immersed in japan that in all the video he spoke yapanese

Actually， the south plan is commerced as north plan failed in the Battle of Khalkhin Gol. The Japanese empire tried and failed.

What if wake island managed to get reinforcements?

What if WW1 Germany decided to fight to the bitter end (like they did in WW2) instead of requesting an armistice? One of the reasons for Germany’s surrender was fear of a Communist revolution. What if that actually happened? How would the Allies respond to the toppling of Kaiser Willhelm’s government?

What if Greece joined the axis or took advantage of the war to push there own goal