Holocaust Denial Criminalisation | François De Smet | Opposition

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21st January 2016
The Motion: This House Believes Holocaust Denial Should Not Be Criminalised.
François De Smet continues the case for the opposition, as the fourth speaker of six in the debate.
The motion carried.
About François De Smet: The Director of Myria, a Belgian public body which analyses the evolution of migration and combats human trafficking. De Smet has also written extensively on human rights in modern political philosophy.
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@Asha2820 8 лет назад

'Of course we defend free speech... we just want free speech to be protected inside this lovely lockbox that we've made for it.' The doublethink is staggering. If you are for against free speech, just say so; stop mangling the language.

@dr.corneliusq.cadbury6984 4 года назад

He says you can believe whatever you want deep down and have your own private thoughts. Oh, gee, thanks! How very generous! You're just not allowed to write about it, publish it, distribute it, nor buy nor read the writings of others, nor discuss forbidden topics publicly. So it's perfectly fine for a tree to fall in the woods but no one is legally allowed to hear it.

@westernciviliznation 8 лет назад

The name Oxford used to be an institution of great renown, now it's a mental institution.

@Soulkollextor 4 года назад

True

@uioplkhj 3 года назад

it's a debate with two sides

@cliffordnelson8454 2 года назад

Guess you do not believe in Freedom Speach. Why do you want to punish somebody having an opinion about something that was 80 years ago? What difference does their opinion make. A denier only is stating that they do not believe it happened, not that they agree with genocide.

@westernciviliznation 2 года назад

@@cliffordnelson8454 what coward deleted my reply? Clifford should know that free speech is a 2-way street but now he won't know why it has nothing to do with 80 years ago or genocide, or, any other trigger words learned at Oxford.

@cliffordnelson8454 2 года назад

@@westernciviliznation Attacking me. Gee allegations without proof. I am not able to delete so you cannot blame me. And Oxford still is, just the right wing has a hard time understanding issues at any depth.

@Valelacerte 8 лет назад

0:45 François De Smet: _"I would therefore like this contribution to be considered from a philosophical angle"_ Great, French philosophy; that'll clear things up!

@dr.corneliusq.cadbury6984 4 года назад

He claims to support "free speech" but not "hate speech." And "hate speech" is anything that might hurt the feelings of a politically privileged group. Get bent, Frenchie.

@cliffordnelson8454 2 года назад

Guess you just provided some hate speech....and an ad hominin fallacy.

@dr.corneliusq.cadbury6984 2 года назад

@@cliffordnelson8454 You think “Frenchie” is hate speech? Looooool

@cliffordnelson8454 2 года назад

@@dr.corneliusq.cadbury6984 It is disrespectful, can you deny that. You are probably American they are so good at being disrespectful. Trump was a pro at it. Are you like Trump? Think so

@dr.corneliusq.cadbury6984 2 года назад

@@cliffordnelson8454 Do you actually agree with this bozo's position?

@cliffordnelson8454 2 года назад

@@dr.corneliusq.cadbury6984 THat you call him a bozo says a lot about you...creeeeeep. Guess you do not believe in free speech do not, and this is not hate speech, and nobody is harmed. That you are so worried about something 80 years ago must mean you have some sort of security issue.

@pipsantos6278 8 лет назад

Holocaust denial is NOT hate speech. Holocaust denial is not racism. The law is not the best tool against stupidity. Society has the best tool for it already. Ostracism. So let deniers be loud as they possibly can, that society may address their stupidity speedily.

@clabianco1 5 лет назад

There are so many things that are logically wrong with Mr. Smet's speech that I will not be abe to address them with my cellphone 1-finger typing. However. I will address all the holocaust arguments in the future. And my arguments will be definitive. I am appalled at the illogical statements by a so-called professor of philosophy who obviously knows not very much about the logical, historical, linguistic meaning of words nor sentences, nor of the logical meaning of "imply" , cause, effect, direct meaning, associated meanings( therefore illogical associated meanings) of the language that he used in his speech.

@cliffordnelson8454 2 года назад

@@clabianco1 Then answer a question for me. Why would the Germans go to the trouble of using Hydrogen Cyanide? It is not an easy substance to work with, and much easier and cheaper ways to kill. Why not use the exhaust of a generator to create carbon monoxide. Sure they had generators. Before you can go into that an area that you have used hydrogen cyanide, you have to make sure all the gas is removed. Nasty stuff to work with. Personally, seems like taking the people out and killing then over their grave is a lot easier since less clean up. Do not have to haul the bodies anywhere or do any cleanup.

@LukeLovesRose 5 месяцев назад

@@cliffordnelson8454Exactly. What happened to the far more effective mustard gas from WWI?

@donjon5704 8 лет назад

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. Evelyn Beatrice Hall

@aimanashole 8 лет назад

i don't think genghis kahn killed 40million people.

@aimanashole 8 лет назад

***** thanks for the info, but the point should have been that it's absurd to ask if it's ok to debate history. doesn't matter how horrible. cheers

@tomhorton1287 6 лет назад

Truth will never be silenced open debate is shut down by those who do not like the outcome, that they know will follow after the facts come out through intellectual debate name calling and buzz words do not counter facts

@GhostLightPhilosophy 4 года назад

All I hear is “I surrender, I surrender”

@sotahullu1 Год назад

"those who feel the truth as hate, hate the truth". if we live(and right now we do) under this non human, non scientific concept.then we will continue to be subjugated by unseen powers for the rest of human existence.

@aristochat3 8 лет назад

The naive bourgeois assumption that this guy makes is that the ideologue cares for laws that he/she perceives as control mechanisms that have been put in place by an 'occupying enemy' to silence them. To go to jail for these people is perceived as a badge of honour. Consider for example Ursula Haverbeck an 89 year old woman, she was given a 10 month sentence recently. Why would she at her age submit herself to a 10 month prison sentence? The more that go with such pride, the more attention they draw to this alternative history. For people will inevitably ask themselves why are these people so prepared to go to jail? What is it about this alternative history? Had these laws not been put in place few would have even realised that revision is a thing. The international Jewish congress estimates that 20+ million people have watched just 860 videos on the subject. Videos that if no rules existed would have probably faded into obscurity.

@hardox500 3 года назад

How about engineers and scientists explain what is possible in that infrastructure and resources in that period of time and then we talk about feelings, believes and opinion.

@BudFieldsPPTS 8 лет назад

The freedom of speech includes the right to offend, and the right to be offended. While I tend to side with the proposition on this issue, These particular arguments are compelling.

@AussiePom 4 месяца назад

For my simpleton mind when you're forbidden to question a narrative then you'll get people saying that the narrative is a lie.

@rexhanes4164 5 лет назад

With 150 modern high efficient crematories , 24 hours a day nonstop burning, it would takes 18 years 97 day to dispose 6000000 bodies. WW2 equipment was lower efficiency and easily broken down. therefore it even took longer to do the job, if the event ever happened.

@snehashischakraborty8890 2 года назад

Not all of the 6 million Jews were killed were cremated so stop your stupid argument

@yosoy1loco 3 года назад

The downvote-ratio gives me hope for humanity and is a small comfort,when i think about the fact that even intellectuals like Chomsky are attacked all over the internet with lies and defamation for shearing the notion that free speech also must cover stupidity.

@thomasalvarez6456 2 года назад

They took the ratio away too.

@Joetheshow445 2 года назад

I wonder if these people supported England’s decision to criminalize denying the Trinity all those years back

@danhilbert6163 8 месяцев назад

Hush up! That might be blasphemy; 20 years for ya in the Toweres.

@ТюзМайский 5 лет назад

who is this facecurved one?

@LukeLovesRose 5 месяцев назад

If you want to know who rules over you....

@biotechboliviaoficial5367 Год назад

all things should be open to discussion and investigation , otherwise it s only dogma, not science, plus it only raises more suspicions.

@TheEvilAdventurer 8 лет назад

Seams like slight double think here, as he declares that the motions opposition wouldn't cause thought crime, without any rationale - Furthermore, I do not see how someone who denys the Holocaust is automatically commting hate speech but rather possibly just highly misinformed?

@cliffordnelson8454 2 года назад

And how do you not know you are not misinformed? Remember Saddam's weapons of mass destruction, or the lie that China created COVID-19, or the lie that there were millions of illegal voters in 2016. Or the genocide of the Uyghurs? Have you ever given some of the arguments serious consideration? Even the use of Hydrogen Cyanide is questionable when you can just use carbon monoxide from a gas engine.

@TheEvilAdventurer 2 года назад

@@cliffordnelson8454 Yes i have, i did a history degree, the holocaust is amount the single best documented events of history

@cliffordnelson8454 2 года назад

@@TheEvilAdventurer Better check to see the sources. How much came from original sources. And it is well documented that a lot of the testimony was could not have been true since the people were not where they could have experienced the event. The mind is really good at thinking it actually experienced something when it did not, and probably being in hard conditions numbs the brain.

@cliffordnelson8454 2 года назад

@@TheEvilAdventurer And almost none of it from reliable sources. Too many times testimony was for things the person could not have witnessed since they were not in the right place, and almost no original source material. Well documented with hearsay.

@sotahullu1 Год назад

@@cliffordnelson8454 the guy you are arguing with is a total fool and so in denial that he has to go through absurd amount of mental gymnastics to further suppress his denial.

@guymandude7855 8 лет назад

Disbelief not Denial.

@educatingignorantintoleran3436 8 лет назад

His argument is quite simple and cynical, which he wouldn't admit: Human beings are fundamentally flawed and cannot be trusted with hate speech. Let humans speak hate, it will eventually spread and turn to action. I won't comment on whether he's right or wrong - I don't know - but he should be more forthcoming that this is essentially his argument.

@clabianco1 5 лет назад

What is hate speech? It is literally the use of words and meanings only of the words. " I hate. You hate. He. she it hates. We hate you all hate. They hate.

@cliffordnelson8454 2 года назад

How is not believing that the details about the Holocaust hate speech. Just because someone questions thee details of the Holocaust does not mean they are anti-Jewish.