Same happened in the comics, he was made to be a real Superman and was raised to be selfless. Homelander in the show was driven to the point he's at now due to fame and power. While in the comics he was driven slowly insane by Black Noir framing Homelander by dressing up as Homelander and doing unspeakable acts of horror before mailing pictures of the acts to Homelander making Homelander think that he did it and just couldn't remember.
He still career about him but he couldn’t trust him anymore. The next scene he said “Noir was worth more than all of you put together” to Ashley, Deep, and A-train.
@@tadelong he was scarred in that scene? I didn’t even notice it before. After seeing the episode with Soldier Boy’s “death” I just thought he got it healed eventually but it makes sense
Pretty sure this is the only canon episode which explains Homelanders relationship with Noir. Homelander didnt necessarily show sadness when he killed him but had that”why did you make me do this!” Attitude which is far more of a reaction than he had to killing anyone else. Also pretty sad to see that there was a point where he really did want to just be your stereotypical superhero.
I still think vought and the people around homelander are most responsible for what he have become. I mean look at the tv show, every single good thing happens to him is either ruined or taken from him, every person in his life just lies to him and hate him, which isolated him further and made him in an echo chamber with himself. I think the thing homelander really needs is an honest friend or someone who is willing to actually communicate and win his trust
The fact that Homelander killed Noir after everything they've been through just because he didn't tell him that Soldier Boy was his sperm donor is irredeemable
Actually not really I feel Noir was the only one Homelander thought he could trust but in the end even Black Noir would lie to him and that destroyed Homelander.
@@baseupp12 He knew Solider Boy was a PoS and wasn’t the father that HL really needed. BN had first hand experienced how ruthless SB was and was outright traumatized by what had happened. He didn’t really “lie” to HL, more like he was protecting him from the horrible man his real father was.
let’s be honest edgar probably had vought recover his body and he’s getting juiced up on compound V to kill homelander and ryan I can actually see him snapping Ryan’s neck in front of homelander before bashing his brains in
My theory is: Black Noir did actually die but what they did was they made an actual clone of Homelander and Black Noir is gonna come back(not as the same person but as a clone) and do something similar to what he did in the comics.
@@mightyleonard7600 that’s actually what I thought, yeah. I’m changing my opinion all over the place but my original was that he died but he will come back, shock Homelander, BOOM HES A CLONE
@@turdiuolyric8283 thing is,will he be shocked at the end of the season or early in the season? Because we know homeland we can see through the mask,he said so himself,so will we know early on he’s a clone? Idk,would take away the shock factor for me
@UCbSLlVlNNkA-jt6a2sBMf-Q if you’ve never experienced any sort of anxiety over regret of something you did, that’s a thought you’d have. “You knew ___ was gonna happen” is what a lot of people think to themselves when experiencing regret
@@wndt and a lot of other people with anxiety or not think that because that’s what they actually thought at the time. What your saying is a bit of a stretch
@@lvvsick Spoiler**** (kinda) Eric Kripke apparently says he's coming back but it'll be a different actor🤞🏻 Maybe for vaught to keep face with the public as there wasn't a memorial broadcast at the end of season 3 like there was for Queen Maeve 🤔🤔🤔
@@Wasted-Life I’m thinking it’ll be like soldier boy in the comics where black noir becomes a mantle that gets picked up by someone who isn’t Irvin (vought will make it seem like it’s still the same person under the mask tho unlike comics soldier boy)
The first attempt at being a hero failed when he caused a loaded gun to explode killing a hostage. The first time we see homelander in the actual show he does the same thing to a gun and it doesn't explode. Weird.
I didn't realize it until after watching episode eight of season three. That Edgar wasn't just insulting HL by calling him a bad product, he was telling the truth. And when you think about it. Everything about HL makes sense. Homelander was supposed to be stronger than Soldier. Better in every way. That's why they had soldier boy give Vought some of his seed so they could make a better him. But they failed. My best guess is that when HL was born and grew and matured enough they did all sorts of tests to make sure they succeeded such as durability. Strength. Intelligence etc. Most of them came back negative. The doctors panicked and gave HL more powers to compensate. The Bad Room, is the room they did all the injections to give him more powers. But they couldn't fix his mind. The only thing that makes HL better than Soldier Boy is that he's got more powers. That's it. Vought spent trillions of dollars and countless hours of time making a product that never lived up to their expectations and by the time they realized what they had done, it was already too late. What's happening now is simply Lady Karma coming to collect her dues.
I don’t think they failed in making a better soldier boy in terms of power/ability but with his mind. During their fight at Herogasm, HL seemed to have the advantage in terms of physical strength, needing both Hughie and Butcher to help hold him down, even than HL managed to break free. HL’s mind is the flaw in the product. He cares far too much about his own stardom and popularity for his own good. That mixed with his brittle ego leads to him being a worse hero. Just look back at season one, he and Maeve would rather not even attempt to save the plane in fear they’d damage it, killing those inside. He later even goes as far as threatening to end modern civilization when Starlight tried blackmailing him. He’s a super weapon with a child’s mentality and a needy narcissist.
@@scatman786 yeah, but that’s because Soldier Boy had just used his nuclear blasts. When he uses that, he’s weakened, so he wasn’t at “full strength”. Take the last episode, when Soldier Boy grabbed Homelander. He proper grabbed and moved his neck/jaw.
@@thelegend3965 and the scary thing about SB now is that the number of things that can kill him are very limited. Old age. And a Vacuum space. You could drop a nuke on him and he'd probably just shake it off bc now he's nuclear so it would most likely make him stronger. So yeah. Unless you drop him into magma or in space where he can't breathe it's pretty much impossible to immediately kill him.
@@thelegend3965 so a vacuum and a volcano are their only options for actually killing him. Or. For a slower method while he's asleep to yield a better result. They could run a water cutter over his chest and hope it pierces his heart You ever see a water jet cutter? Sharper than any blade a human can ever make.
after seeing his origins I can't help but kinda feel pity for homelander, think about it....he grew up where he was never shown love and the one time he does is with people cheering him on so ofc he wouldn't want that to be taken from him and he can't even get therapy on top of it and as someone with bpd I can kinda relate with the outbursts and lashing out but then the feeling bad after because it's like a blackout but with him he was never told "don't do this" because people were too scared of his powers so it's like everyone he knew failed him to where he turned out a monster.....I kinda feel bad for him
@@joaquimrietveld8297 oh he’s certainly an irredeemable monster, but(supposing it wasn’t just a fictional show) it’s important to understand how he was born from a series of evil acts and dumb mistakes(like not actually training him well for hero work) so that another one isn’t born
Ngl you had me in the first half. You were going good until you made this all about yourself, very typical of you. Why do self-proclaimed BPD people always wanna boast about their condition at the slightest chance?
This was great foreshadowing for Soldier Boy's arc and his last words to Homelander on being a disappointment. Noir is essentially in the spotlight which he previously hadn't been because of Soldier Boy and Homelander has always been starved for attention which is taken from him by his dad's enemy. This episode is key once you have revisited season 3
While this episode was good, I still think episode 3 "I'm your pusher" was better......but as long as we can all agree that episode 5 with the poop creatures was by far the worst
the song played in the scene where black noir killed some dude while a business meeting was happening with vought executives at the sam time. this was in season 2 of the boys
@@parallax7789 you are right, in the end of the episode we see a female stillwell instead of a male stillwell, so it's tv series universe characters not comic book universe characters.
The problem isn’t incompetence its power level. HL is a nuke in the form of man, he’s meant for mass destruction. Superman’s actual powerset is awful for saving civilians and lost pets. These are the powers meant to fight and conquer nations. Super speed won’t save anyone, the heat, friction and expanded mass means you’ll just kill someone before whatever danger they’re in does. Super strength means you can’t protect large structures because they’ll just shatter around you causing more collateral damage. Heat vision lol. Any living being and most anything being hit with that will end with an explosion due to the rapid heating of the molecules. The Superman/flash powerset is suited for combat and mass destruction not heroics.
This episode is probably the only one where you can actually feel a bit sad for homelander, you can see he wants and tries to be seen as a hero, even if it for a short amount of time.
That’s closer to kryptonian/viltrumite power levels. I’d be surprised if homelander could lift a skyscraper. When your entire verse is basically street level, you look insanely tough when you’re anything above that.
@@derekofoma1563 exactly, Homelander is only so terrifying and powerful because his opponents are weak and untrained, but put him in DC or Marvel and he's gonna get destroyed in seconds
@@IstandonFaith what makes it even sadder is the fact that bro didn’t even want to kill him. He just did it cause he lied to him. AND he cried while doing it. #justicefornoir
In the comics? I’ve only watched the show so far but have lately become interested in reading them as well, I know things are very different in both mediums so I’m not worried about that. The story is so awesome in my opinion, the basis is great.
@@migonzz the comic is just fanfiction of superheroes being evil and getting killed, it's also very edgy like it was written by a teenager that hates heroes. read it if you want but it's pretty mediocre
In the tv show Homelander hasn't done drugs. In the cartoon episode where Butcher spiked that one hero's heroin-enema be claims that the drugsdealer gets Homelander his cocaine and other special something in it that gives it the kick that a hero like Homelander needs. So the animated series seems more like a semi-canoncial thing. There is also the fact that Nubian prince was different in the show, from what little we saw, than in the cartoon.
I think he might have survived. Homelander Never Said he was actually dead just that noir was keeping secrets from him. We never see him actually die and I think his his brain injury was worse than what homelander did to him. Also the entire arc of him, the cartoons and needing to take revenge on soldier boy would have been kind of a waste if he was just dead imo. But he could still be dead we don’t know🤷♂️ Edit: typo
I love Black Noir's thinking here, he's meant to be a ninja and stealthed up so him giving the credit to Homelander makes the most sense He cares about the company and the future of the company so helping homelander would've saved the company and helped the reputation and helps with reason #1 We know Noir is Edgar's gun and best weapon so I'm certain Stan gave the order for Noir to help Lastly the way Noir handled homelander is amazing, it wasn't brute force like Superman vs Batman. But it was pure tactics, running and planning hiding in the shadows, buying time before Homelander uses his xray to find him. I'm willing to call this my favorite episode
Noir isnt edgars gun lmfao. He got fucking bodied by homelander. If anything he was edgars most loyal dog. Nothing more. However props for the deeper thinking. Genuinely cool idea
Something I noticed is that during this mission (at first) HL tried to avoid caring and seemed to genuinely want to help until he accidentally hurt someone then went nuts. I wonder what would have happened if that mission went well. Would Homelander end up a better person?
Well TBH homelander didn't mind black noir getting his average attention (like come on everyone is supposed to cheer when someone comes up to the stage) but madelyn stillwell is on of the many reason why homelander was corrupted to the spine
Why did i figure homelander grew up a hero? The fact that he had a first mission and messed up shocked me, i figured he was running around for Vought since boyhood
For those of you who havent seen it (skip the episode, its really bad) the worst episode of the season is LITERALLY shit. Its about a overweight girl taking the shit of her life that then begins to talk and show powers. Her super power is shit. She can bring shit to life and manipulate it.
@@malikaigiday8351 it would be useless now. Becos in the comics black noir was the contingency for Homelander. Only person who could stop him. But in the show Soldier boy was apparently just as strong and Maeve nearly beat him. And Butcher could almost beat him. So…
The animated series are episodes of different stories told by different writers, none of which are in the same universe. This particular episode is a prequel to The Boys TV show. You can tell by the costumes. So black noir is a separate character. However, there is an episode earlier in the series that takes place in the same universe as the comics. Homelander from that episode looks very different from the homelander in this episode.
I love how Homelander was originally just a caring, albeit dumber version of Superman that just happened to enjoy all eyes on him, but now he's an omnipotent attention seeking god
Omnipotence is true God above all Creation status. To be Omnipotent that means you are truly ALL Powerful. You know absolutely anything and everything all at once and your Will alone is all that is needed to change reality. . Homelander is by absolutely no means whatsoever, anywhere near being Omnipotent.
The fact that HL actually tried to be a hero for once is just heart breaking, proving that it’s not his fault that he’s like that, it’s BN’s and Vought
If this episode is cannon for the TV series The Boys, then it would explain why Homelander was able to keep up with Soldier Boy's hand to hand combat skills. He trained, sorta. Tho I don't think it's cannon, characters are too different.
No I think every episode made by different animator because they have different style, the one made by Rick n Morty's creator is about group of kid who have useless power and hate they parents because of it
This show is very real like if we have something that can give superpowers. Things that happened in the show would happen irl. Not like some weird stuff in DC where superhuman races, aliens, superpower wielders that are super op will willingly help humans and even if they are backed into a corner they didn't kill anyone.
