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Homer's Odyssey, an ancient fresco cycle 

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Scenes from Homer's The Odyssey (books 10-12), before 46 B.C.E., fresco, 142 x 292; 142 x 292; 146 x 292; 142 x 292 cm (Vatican Museums), excavated in 1848 from a domus on Via Graziosa, now Via Cavour, Rome
Dr. Beth Harris and Dr. Steven Zucker

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@steviechampagne
@steviechampagne Год назад
this truly is the best channel on youtube. still chugging along strong 14 years later… seeing these ancient arts is like taking a time machine… how quickly life escapes the vessel, 2000 years goes by like the vapor of a cool morning breath…
@HansDunkelberg1
@HansDunkelberg1 Год назад
That quickly time passes by at least as long as you're watching the videos of this channel. For the ancient Romans themselves time perhaps has felt slower when they lived in a house in which they always had only one set of wall paintings to look at.
@barrymoore4470
@barrymoore4470 Год назад
@@HansDunkelberg1Wall paintings would have been the equivalent of our wallpaper, except that wallpaper can be replaced with relative ease. Your comment led me to wonder if old wall paintings were ever covered up with newer designs. To the best of my knowledge, no archaeological evidence indicates such an occurrence. This might account for the survival of the First and Second Styles in the Vesuvian sites well into the first century, over a hundred years after they would have fallen out of fashion.
@HansDunkelberg1
@HansDunkelberg1 Год назад
@@barrymoore4470 Yes, the differences between those ancient wall paintings and current wall papers are indeed strong. For the Romans of Italy at least (as compared with those of Egypt) paper will have been expensive. The Italian Romans also had few means of heating in the winter, they froze terribly during that season. Wall papers could easily have begun to mold, under such circumstances, especially given the scarcity also of _windows_ with the Roman houses.
@zoran.rosendahl
@zoran.rosendahl Год назад
Amazing to see some ancient frescos, you don't encounter them so often, all the more interesting!
@christianfrommuslim
@christianfrommuslim Год назад
Interesting and beautiful! So glad they survived.
@HansDunkelberg1
@HansDunkelberg1 Год назад
Yah, it has taken quite a while for them to be secured on the Internet servers.
@squarz
@squarz Год назад
Those are amazing paintings. Incredible paintings. And there are not even a lot of reproductions online. This video is a gem.
@mv11000
@mv11000 Год назад
Great video, thank you
@carlberg7503
@carlberg7503 Год назад
Simply enchanting to click on your channel and discover another amazing work of art didn't know existed. Your analysis sheds light not only on ancient paintings but also on social history. Wealthy Romans lived lives of of luxury, sophistication, and literary culture. I wonder how many American billionaires are equally literate.
@Sasha0927
@Sasha0927 9 месяцев назад
You guys hit 300k subs, congratulations! 🥳 You were lucky to be in the Vatican museums, and I'm lucky to be among your subscribers. Here's to 1 million! ❤ I love the idea of Second Style landscapes. You can be transported in place which isn't common of decorations, now that I think of it... In true Greek myth style, the drama of these panels is incredible. For pre-TV socializing especially, I can imagine the stories associated with each of these figures being very entertaining.
@sherryzimmerman9220
@sherryzimmerman9220 Год назад
Loved all the comments above…..great interaction….I WILL ADMIT when You spoke about a “porch view”……I wanted to peer even further into the scenes playing out in front of “my porch”……your ability to create living visualizations is brilliant….
@faramund9865
@faramund9865 Год назад
Thanks for sharing!
@camaramarcelo
@camaramarcelo 6 месяцев назад
wow, amazing paintings!
@barrymoore4470
@barrymoore4470 Год назад
These are really lovely, and the all more precious for their rarity. I am curious as to how they are dated with such confidence before the specific year of 46 B.C. I can see how they stylistically relate to the Second Style, but that precisely given year must be derived from some concrete evidence. And as these date from the Republican era of Rome, there couldn't have been any glorification of an emperor, the idea and institution of which still lay in the near future. I also wanted to observe how rich the blues are in these panels, leading me to further wonder what pigments were used to create these colors.
@smarthistory-art-history
@smarthistory-art-history Год назад
That's a good question. If I remember correctly the dating results from archeological work on the site in the 19th century. I don't have the specifics on hand but there is a fairly substantial academic literature on the frescos that discusses this.
@JeffreyBecker
@JeffreyBecker Год назад
There has been some discussion and debate about the dating of the domus in the last 30 years or so. The traditional dating of ca. 46 BCE relies on the fragments of a painted calendar (fasti) that is pre-Julian on the same site. A minority scholarly opinion drags the date down the late 1st c. BCE. In addition to painterly style, the idea of the mythical Homeric landscapes depicted within the frame of the fictive portico matches well with mid-1st c. BCE ideas about the practice of ambulatio (see Vitruvius). All of this is treated in an excellent article by Timothy O'Sullivan in 2007. "Walking with Odysseus: The Portico Frame of the Odyssey Landscapes"
@barrymoore4470
@barrymoore4470 Год назад
@@JeffreyBecker Thank you so much!
@HansDunkelberg1
@HansDunkelberg1 Год назад
Like throughout Roman history, I also here feel as if people had most consciously stylized an artistic universe for the sake of letting appear the Roman world as a sort of a classic fairy tale. On closer inspection also our own time appears like that, while our styles use to change more quickly and strongly.
@jordansatepauhoodle7728
@jordansatepauhoodle7728 Год назад
Wow
@photoaholic
@photoaholic Год назад
Love this! Is there way to view these panels in high resolution online?
@smarthistory-art-history
@smarthistory-art-history Год назад
Yes! We have posted our photos on Flickr: www.flickr.com/search/?sort=date-taken-desc&safe_search=1&tags=laevatsh&user_id=82032880%40N00&view_all=1
@photoaholic
@photoaholic Год назад
@@smarthistory-art-history oh awesome, thank you!!
@photoaholic
@photoaholic Год назад
@@smarthistory-art-history looking closer on my large monitor at the photos on your Flickr; do you think the Greek writing above the heads of some of the characters, is showing their names? If so, I wonder which one is Odysseus…
@smarthistory-art-history
@smarthistory-art-history Год назад
Yes, I think that is correct. Which panel are you asking about. It's hard to be sure but I think Odysseus is seen twice in the palace scene for example.
@photoaholic
@photoaholic Год назад
@@smarthistory-art-history oh wow! I was looking at the underworld one, on the left side!
@qwaqwa1960
@qwaqwa1960 Год назад
I thought it right from the beginning, then you said it: Impressionistic. Amazing.
@HansDunkelberg1
@HansDunkelberg1 Год назад
I rather feel reminded of the style of Albert Uderzo (1927-2020), the creator of the pictures of the comic series Asterix. Just notice how the lines are arranged zestfully, like in a flower bouquet! Also Vincent van Gogh (1853-1890) has painted much like the creator of these frescoes. He was a _post-impressionist._
@faramund9865
@faramund9865 Год назад
Just incredible how good those paintings looked compared to the manuscript miniatures of the later medieval period. I guess the renaissance really was that, a rebirth of the ancient period.
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