From the album Homestuck - Volume 8 available at: homestuck.bandc... ---- Track art by Vivian Ng at doodle-master.deviantart.com Bargaining with the Beast by Thomas Ferkol
Man I'm really sad we barely got to see any of the denizens, or learn much about them, that seemed to be one of the coolest and most endgamey parts of sburb. *spoiler* I'm especially disappointed John never got to beat his up for killing him in another timeline, though I guess he ended up completing his quest which was good enough :P
Well, the thing about the denizens is that, while their overarching concept is the same, and every player of a specific aspect will have the same denizen, unless it's overridden by Yaldaboath instead, they vary greatly between session so it doesn't really matter. All we found out was 1, every player has one. 2, they speak in monster gibberish that only players of their associated aspect can comprehend. 3, they are associated with their namesakes in mythology. 4, they are responsible for, and the only solution to, they player's planet's "issue", whatever it may be (Oil everywhere, no life in the sea, a cold forge or whatever the hell LoHaC's problem was) 5, they must be defeated to reach the battlefield under normal circumstances. 6, game sessions usually synchronize players nearing the denizen encounter with the start of the reckoning. Frankly, there's not alot we don't know about them. We just never got to see them all that often because they were suppose to be these mysterious overseers/demigod boss monsters. Though, yes, I'd like to have gotten more info about them... Specifically what the heart aspect's denizen is, as that my aspect and I doubt I'm badass enough to earn Yaldaboath.
Karkat Vantas Correct, however, that is framed by the overwhelming evidence supporting Aspect = Denizen. AKA, it may not even factor into this topic. I'm not entirely sure why Aranea had Echidna, but it was probably for some greater reason than simply throwing a wrench in this exact topic. I suspect that Echidna, much like Yaldaboath, will override the denizens of other players who are destined for some greater, likely game breaking, future. IE Aranea causing a catastrophic end to the alpha timeline, requiring John to play causal surgeon with the Terezi-scarf-guide-to-fixing-shit. For instance, if Jade wasn't meant to have Echidna through her aspect, but still get Bec's powers, she'd likely get Echidna anyway due to her game breaking potential. The reason why John didn't get Echidna is probably because their session had a space player, which likely trumps Echidna's override option, forcing her to take Jade rather than John, in spite of Johns absolutely ridiculous abilities. long story short, I'm certain that Aspect = Denizen, and that Aranea was just a special exclusion for whatever reason.
That and also John's power seems to be also belonging to Typheus/Typhon (i don't remember which), because Typhon told him in his riddle filled way how to use the retcon thing in the first place.
Stefan Reimann But after Terezi's magic scarf quest, Jhon saved Vriska, meaning he lost those powers. He even mentions it a while after he KO's her that he'll need to be careful again.
For some reason, when I look at this image, it makes me think of Fantasia. Which is interesting, given Echidna is the wife of John's denizen, and together John and Jade could potentially use one of the most powerful Fraymotifs available, being, "Fantasia's Inhale"
Actually, the trophy in grandpa's basement was stated to be a Typheus minion during some point of the story, I believe when John's trying to get Jade into the Medium. But yes, the Denizens apparently share appearances with the browser icons. It also seems they're connected to certain role aspects. Ex: Jade and Kanaya are of Space and share Echidna and Rose and Vriska are of Light and share Cetus.
And finally Rose's Denizen, her's comes form LOLAR. The planet is engulfed in water.Cetus appearance would be one of these creatures: a large fish, a whale, a shark, or a sea monster.Cetus's translates to "The bringer of a great storm" or misfortune. There you have it. These are some clues to as what the kids' Denizens would look like. Hussie knows his stuff. :)
Nah, that was just a minion of Typheus. Typheus itself would later be encountered by John - once in an alternate timeline where it killed him, and again in the GAME OVER timeline, where it "encouraged" him to gain a greater mastery over his retcon abilities.
To get a better clue as to what they look like and stuff lets take a look at ancient history .In Greek mythology Echidna and Typhon( Typheus) were siblings and were birthed to Tartarus and Gaia. The siblings were married. Echidna is the "Mother of all monsters, Thpheus is the "Father of All Monsters". Echidna was a drakaina, with the face and torso of a beautiful woman and the body of a serpent, sometimes having two serpent's tails. CONT.
@phase866 keep in mind that we have already seen a simplified version of all of the kid's Denizens. Go back through the comic and take a look at each of the kid's web browsers, the icons happen to be what would be their denizens. Also, there is a stuffed Typhon (John's denizen) in Jade's house, one of Jade's Grandpa's Trophies.
Man, I see plenty of people saying that Echidna reminds them of something, but I see no one who is reminded of a certain alien life form. Surely I can't be the only one who gets Jenova vibes from her, can I? Well, I mean, there's no eyeball-boob, but still.
Now for Dave's. Hephaestus was a Greek god of fire, born from Zeus and Hera. He was the god of technology, blacksmiths, craftsmen, artisans, sculptors, metals, metallurgy, fire and volcanoes.Like other mythic smiths but unlike most other gods, Hephaestus was lame,(crippled) which gave him a grotesque appearance in Greek eyes. He served as the blacksmith of the gods, and he was worshipped in the manufacturing and industrial centers of Greece. Remember, Dave's planet is LOHAC. CONT.....
Besides which, Yaldabaoth isn't strictly a Heart denizen. He's stated as being reserved by the game for the most naturally skilled fighters, given how he's also Caliborn's denizen.
And Thpheus was the largest and most fearsome of all creatures. His human upper half reached as high as the stars. His hands reached east and west and, instead of a human head, he had a hundred dragon heads; some however depict him as having a human head and the dragon heads being attached to his hands instead of fingers. CONT..
You know, I don't think that ever did get properly explained... even the MSPA Wiki has nothing on that! 0_0 Grandpa's by far the most mysterious of the guardians... Besides the apparently dead post-Scratch ones anyway.
@DistrictIvory Not really Considering Jade shrunk the planets down as per her agreement with the Denizens We'll be seeing them again whenever that 3 year boat ride is done
