Honda VSA light Diagnosis - Part 2 

That's a badass tech support line you got there🤣. You are supposed to do the same procedure again with the brake pedal instead of the button after the button. But yeah like i said in the first part, it didn't seem like it would work. Good share Ivan 👍

Honda has had problems with the VSC/VSA system for awhile now. For ex, 05-09 Acura TLs with the 6 speed had problems with the VSC/VSA setting codes and being over intrusive. There was a reflash update that basically dumbed the ABS system down to all but the most severe wheel spin issues. Depending on the owners driving habits and conditions, that may or may not take care of it. I had 1 customer with an 06. Each time it said 'replace the module'.. The service manager at his Acura dealer told him that when he starts the car, turn the VSC/VSA off before he moves..That was their 'fix'.. I know your problem is different, I'm just sharing. Good vids, Ivan!

Remember the days when cars had less software than the Space Shuttle?

Well, not exactly a happy ending for the customer. Nice diagnosis Ivan. Thanks!

Rule of thumb before replacing a module. Always check your power and grounds connected to it.If they're not correct you could put a million new modules and still have an issue.

You missed a step when You had pins 4 and 9 jumped together. You first need to reset ABS and then VSA. To reset ABS with pins 4 and 9 jumped 1. Depress brake, turn ignition on, when ABS light goes out release the brake, ABS lights again, depress brakes again until ABS light goes out, release the brake and ABS will flash twice. Then reset the VSA button like You did in this video! Worked on 2005 Honda Pilot.

Thanks for the video! Wow that's a big bag of cash!

strange that software will get corrupted in a module .i would try disconnecting the battery and relearn steering .or see if steering wire going to abs module is not shielded from abs wheel sensor .because this is happening at high speed. the magnet field could send false signal to that wire. or check if the traction control work at low speed in mud or snow soon lol. thank for video i always enjoy that guessing

I had a 08 Honda Accord same issue it was the speed sensor that was intermittent. Changed it and never had an issue again.

Did you add air to that low tire or repair the TPS, had a hondoo pilot that turned off VSA with a low tire pressure....

U have the ultimate tech hotline with Keith, hope u did a vid with the chevy abs, all we chevy owners luv to see different vids on those, thanks for posting

There is lots on the internet about VSA problems and the $2400 module. But one guy found a wierd Y-Shaped fuse for the VSA system and one side was blown. That fixed it. And the Honda and Acura owners believe it should be a recall. And are mad about spending $2400 on a fairly new car. I'm glad I have 3 Toyota Priuses.

When it says check the the alignment it doesn't just mean the car tracks straight but the steering wheel must be centered when driving straight with the tires inflated to cold specs. The Honda service manual says the car must be driven in a staight line onto a level spot and the steering wheel NOT moved from that position. If the steering wheel isn't in the neutral "drive straight on a flat surface" position, soon after you start driving the warning light will reappear. FWIW, If the problem is entirely with the VSA modulator, then the "programming" is the manual ABS reset followed by the VSA steering centered procedure at the end . A second hand modulator costs ~15% of a new one, a rebuild of your failed one is ~25%.

I too noticed the steering wheel is not centered when driving straight. I bet performing an alignment will cure this. You could also try to recalibrate the steering angle sensor with the wheel clocked as you are driving on straight road. What is the steering angle sensor position while driving straight?

After switching steering wheels f5om foam to a leather-wrapped one, and driving about 15 miles, the VSA light in my truck has been on. I tried numerous things, including those utilised here, and still no change. Steady VSA light, no exclamation triangle. The interest thing was, after grounding the #9 pin on the odbii port, an additional light on my dash illuminated. It took a moment to figure out; it was the fog lamps indicator. My truck did not come with fog lamps, and the light remained on even after turning off the ignition and removing the key. I said screw it, disconnected the battery again, and now we're back to having the VSA light on, but at least no battery drain.

Hey Ivan Don’t post much on videos and replies. Just wanted to let you know if you replace the VSA/ABS module on the vehicle your working it does require programming with I-HDS. Launch or Autel will perform the “ All Sensors” function on the installed module. The module comes pre programmed with software from Honda. Just in case you want to do the repair for the customer.

1500-2000 nice round stealership numbers.

Was it just me or were you holding the wheel slightly to the left when driving straight? That could cause it, I would have the alignment verified before replacing the module.

Well, I tried the manual resetting doing the key 'on', then push the VSA button ON, then OFF, and wait till ALL idiot lights to go OFF...… It worked!!!! I took it for a drive and the VSA Light DID NOT come back on....YEAY....Thanks a lot

Can you bring up the vehicle motion sensors on your scanner? Not the wheel speed sensors but don't they have accelerometer, like a Yaw & pitch rate sensor?

I'm a BMW fan. We have the same issue with bmws' it's called the "tri-fecta" and it involves a rebuild of the abs module. Your symptoms match the bmw on spot on.. angle indicator, abs tye-in the works. With bmw they have a guy on ebay that will fix them WAY cheaper than a new module .. to the tune of 50 bucks vs 800.. You might want to take a look down that path..

I GOT THE TUNA HERO FOR YOU, IT WAS DELICIOUS , THANKS IVAN !

I have ridgeline. that light comes on if tire pressure indicator alerts. make sure your tires are equal size and pressure. dose it mean vehical stabilizer assistance ? driving with a soft tire and u steer correctively may activate ........sudden movements activate it at or above 30 mph?

Did you ever add air to that low rear tire?

wow modern cars are a pain. well at least you have the master a phone call away. please video the clutch job on the Toyota.

South Main proved the factory diagnostic flow can lead you to bad places.

I just had the VSA come on today, and my CR-V ran rough. Added air to the tires..all fixed.

Ouch indeed. I think I would try cleaning all connectors before the purchasing that new module.

How about a software update or to reapply the same version if there isn't one?

I think it was a faulty steering angle sensor itself. I have the intermittent error and the code is pointing to the data intermittently stopping on the steering angle sensor just long enough to trip the SAS and make the car run funny as it thinks it’s sliding on snow. It’s a 2015 Honda Pilot. I just ordered a new steering angle sensor which is easy enough to install (in the steering column), it only cost $77.00. I did reset the sensor on flat road and later I could tell by the live data that when I was driving straight it was reading about 90 degrees off!

Great video man always learning something from you :) can never learn to much esp about cars

Identifix? It is a good platform? Cheers from Playa del Carmen México

"WOW "Ouch 'wow" Thxs again Ivan nice job..

Would be interesting to see what chip is inside the abs module. Would be possible to reflash it from a good known module if it's just a software issue.

had a 2005 odyssey with the same warning . reseted the steering angle several times and the light clears but comes back on . when i reseted the wheel aligment the light is been out for months . had codes: 26-1 lateral acceleration sensor. 83-1 ecm relation failure. 84-1 sensor logic failure. used the same snap on scanner.

Well done right on with diagnosis..at least the owner can still drive the car $1500 bucks a lot of money.

Are you sure the wheel speeds are correct? Sounds to me like one wheel is slightly larger or smaller than the rest, making the VSA think you are driving a corner and hence marking the steering angle faulty. Or maybe someone fitted an after market wheel bearing with the incorrect number of magnets?

There may be a reflash for that actually and would of been worth the 10 dollars to try. Figured the module would be expensive on that and a used one may be a viable option if can even find one lol. Very interesting case study

Nice work Ivan

I'm really missing the powers and grounds drill on the module. Just in case the module isn't being 'fed' properly, especially in the rust belt. Just asking.

module? we don't need no stinkin' module!

Is it possible the tires might be the problem? Uneven tread wear. Did the customer recently change tires or put on a different size set of tires? Seems to me this VSA is more hassle then it’s worth.

I have 2014 Ridgeline and having same issue with VSS, is that the same? Cuz the button for the VSA on this 2010 is in the same spot as my Honda?

Dang! Way too expensive! I also think that's nonsense and would drive it as it is too. What an outcome.... but at least you were confident in the diagnosis.

Just pull the bulb Ivan problem solved! 💡😂

Hey начальник, is it possible to recheck the VSA with your Autel? Or is this case closed? I'm really curious to see what the VSA module says. -100

i've got another use for black electrical tape!

Darn it! I was hoping you'd be in the area of PA that's close to me! I'm in DE.

I have a 2008 Honda with the same problem. Did you ever I Find out the problem?

well that but the brakes on that diagnosis lol thanx for sharing

$1500, I can buy a whole car for that much money!

what about doing the reprograming the module before ship it to the dealer trying to fix bad soft ware problem .... the worst it can do is nothing its already a brick ....

Can Eric O. check for a J2534 software update?

Bummer regarding the module. Dealer has got you by the short hairs when these problems crop up.

Have you offered to replace it with a junk yard part? Is that even a option?

Hi I have a Honda CRV 2008 model. I have a strange problem. Out of the blue, when light switch is set to auto on my light switch on the left side of the steering wheel....IN DAYLIGHT, backlights and instrument lights work as they should, but when it gets dark, backlights turn off and instrument lights work. TO get the backlights to work i Need to set the light switch to OFF position.. but then of course instrument lights AND farlight, the one showing with blue icon on the instrumentpanel ( I don't know the english word for it sorry ) that doesn't work. I can test this on the daytime with blocking for the light on the sensor sitting on the inside of my front window. I have a window wiht rainsensor. PLEEEASE help! Best Regards from Norway

Great vid

Hey Ivan, Instead of paying the dealer to do the job, can't you just purchase the module from the dealer and install it yourself?

Would have loved to have seen the install and programming of that VAS MODULE , Ivan my be it's time you start looking into programming for your customers would make for an even more interesting video and i know your customers would appreciate just having to deal with you on the total repair of their vehicles . Great video please keep up the good work .

Ok my civic 2009 has those lights, but also a handbrake light is on. And I barely have brakes. Will do a checkup tomorrow

I feel sorry for the owner, in my case, I'd drive it like that not minding the light. The only problem is when the current owner decides to sell the vehicle. He'll have to fix the problem or sell it real cheap. It sucks!

QUESTION....... knocking out the insides of that cat converter... what happens ? the good and bad?

More cuts/editing can go a long way towards viewer retention. Still great videos and I really appreciate you taking us along the process

Just for the sake of asking - what if you've got an intermittent fault on the data bus lines causing this to manifest (also causing your OBD2 to disconnect over certain speeds)....

Did u try updating the vsa module

I have 2002 acura cl, vsa and triangle with ! Is lit since 2012- i honestly dont know what causing it . Car drives fine tho

Darn, good try though. Electronics are so expensive it's getting hard to afford a new car anymore.

Ouch, Ouch and Ouch. That is a helluva lot of wallet pain.

"Customer decided to drive vehicle as is" - exactly what I'd have done too. $1,500 + programming ... I have some choice words for HONDA on that one, and none of them are PG-13!! I didn't believe the flow chart either - figured there was some hidden fault, or a procedure that had to be done that only HONDA knows about ... but it's a FRED again (F#%ing Ridiculous Electronic Device). Figures!! Nice diag. You kept your cool! This one would've got my blood pressure up there for sure, especially the loss of comm over 30! That would've ruined my day right there, HAHAHA! I'd have been fuming. I just hate the way they engineer these things today!!

Sir I have same problem vsa triangle and abs light is on a honda 2008 can you help me out turns on and then off no codes I drive normal one month then comes back on again then start the car goes away .?

Can you do the clutch replacement video on camera .. thanks ivan

Aftermarket re-pair option? .....Would be a good video if there's a alternative option rather than going to the stealership.

I had the same problem on a 2008 Honda Odysee. I turned off the van when the light came on, turned the van back on, pushed the VSA button and the triangle showed up. Let it sit for a few minutes then drove the van half a mile. Pushed the VSA button again and the triangle went away. The VSA light never came back on.

Is there an option to utilize a used module?

Can the entire system be de-activated by some simple method?

got a honda oddessy 2007 first going down road and sparkplug flies out! and left particles in cylinder. so engine shot so that cost me about 2700 dollars with labor and low mileage used engine then after a month of driving yellow flashing triangle light goes on and engine barely running but made it home and there it sits till i put maybe another two or three thousand in it to fix that. oh ya ill get it fixed and send the got ham thing down the got ham road! happy these things didnt happen out in middle of nowhere! todays cars or trucks with computors that suppose to make them run better actually do the opposite! and then the cost of repairs then to have some other issue that everytime something goes wrong plan on burning a few thousand dollars on it to fix! got a 2008 dodge caliber engine light went on with red flashing lightning for code throttle control module engine dies on freeway so found out how to restart so okay spent 250 on the got ham thing for new module going down road engine light gone five minutes later engine light on again flashing red lighting bolt! engine dies on freeway AGAIN! pulled over got it started again go to autozone code throttle control module WHAT! so they tell me computor has to be erased because it doesnt recognize repair and they don't have code eraser have to find garage that has one WHAT? thought computors suppose to benefit vechile not create another gotgam problem! so ya git it fixed git rid of the gotham thing TOO! then go find old school vechile that can run on it's own with out a gotham computor yes it might eat a little more fuel but it will git there! 😒😒😀

Turning is important. This is what happens when you don't change your blinker fluid.

Nobody that knows how to drive needs this stuff, and for folks that do need it, bring the wallet or, do some off road driving and learn how to handle a vehicle there. Then but an older rig without all the dealer installed crap. The old Kelsey Hays ABS was good enough, folks are baffled when they get a new wheel bearing with wires hanging off it, but, that's life in the big city.

Is it possible send the unit out and have it re reprogrammed ? just thinking out loud...

Screw that $1500 id live without VSA aka anti lock brakes----done that for years on GM vehicles in there common ABS failure module

accidental car fire on an exec's front lawn comes to mind :))

I can only assume that Мастер Иван has checked powers & grounds to the module. While the modules of that era could have their programming "updated", file corruption isn't common...unless induced by improper jump starting or the like. I'd really like to see v-drop tests across powers, grounds and inputs and a module update performed before putting a used/salvaged/reconditioned unit in it. Not wanting to pay dealership prices doesn't make them thieves...no one is forced to buy parts from them. Also, there's always a better alternative around the corner...find them people! -100

Video the Tacoma Clutch Job, Im facing that job in the near future, Im just waiting for it to totally fail. Please. Put a piece of black tape over the warning lights. Your seeing a little glimpse of what the car builders have up there sleeve, just a matter of time. If its a separate unit, find a You Pick It, get it for 25 bucks. 1500 bucks what a rip. Black Tape probably best, will that cause it to fail inspection.

Sucks for the owner, a lot of money for an 8 year old car.

My vsa light came on because of s smash bubble tire causing car to shake around 55

Short the SCS circuit to body ground using the HDS. did you have to do this steep? what is SCS?

My experience is that *every* car with more than 150K has multiple lights on, and I don't give a flying crap anymore.

Hondas typical expensive parts + software and programming.

Vsa light on 2005 Acura TL comes on ?

New module and to calibrate all sensor. I know Honda’s , and btw even w the HDS which is the honda scanner interface it will loose data after 30mph I find that ridiculous all Honda’s suffer from abs modulators.

Shame on Honda for not offering a better warranty.

Chris fix brother sound just alike tfs

Can Keith install the software?

Don't buy a Honda. If it is a software problem, there should be a way to fix that without spending $1,500.

$75 bucks from the yard won’t catch me spending $1500

Does the vsa and the abs work off the same module

OUCH !!! US $1500 for module-I would just DRIVE truck even with annoying lights on dash KISS formula gone CRAZY !!! -what are possible drawbacks???

Oil is low. I had the exact problem and did exactly as you are doing. The oil needs to be changed.

ivan , maybe give us the definition of the acronyms = VCA ?

LKQ!!! If the car drives fine I wouldn't care for the code