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Honeycomb VS Upkeep | Keep Upkeep in Check | Rust Base Building 3.0 

Evil Wurst
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This video analyzes how upkeep increases with each added wall-to-loot.
We built a mini base and added layer by layer of honeycomb, until reaching 7 walls-to-loot.
In general, upkeep doubled with each added layer of protection, demonstrating how much more cost efficient to build several small-to-mid-sized bases rather than one large base
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@MetallicSaladFork
@MetallicSaladFork 5 лет назад
Zedge blink twice if you are being held hostage
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
LOL
@ricomotions5416
@ricomotions5416 5 лет назад
lmao
@Tobbetuna
@Tobbetuna 5 лет назад
Yeah you are one of the smartest builders around on YT. So nice to see new stuff and interesting layouts that just keep coming and coming. :)
@KaraKobold
@KaraKobold 5 лет назад
building secret, never put the TC in the middle, create an easy to fallow path for raiders to go down for instance through ladder hatches, by using something like windows you can allow raiders to see into a room then contains nothing special, maybe some beds, a campfire and a locker pressed against a wall. said wall has is a doorway which contains your TC, at the top of the base. if you use sheet frames and shop windows, raiders will just think its an added layer of security if your being online raided, being able to know where the raiders are (which it is) but it also allows raiders to see nothing valuable in the spawn room so going down is far more worth then going through like 3 doors. ( i have built this way, it does work.) you need to trick the raiders make there job "easy" its all about playing with the heads of offline raiders, rather then beefing up your armor and praying for the best. Edit: oh and placing signs over doors like "water storage" "food storage" "explosive storage" when in reality food = junk and explosive's = water or something reallllllly annoys offline raiders and once then run out of Boom Boom's and have nothing they give up xD
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
These are very good tip, Dalie, thanks for sharing them! For the bases I upload to my channel, you will rarely see me use any of those. If you want to build any of my bases, they need to be strong even if raiders have seen the video and exactly know the layout. Thus, I'll usually go for raw strength. Still, one can always modify designs to incorporate those tricks!
@KaraKobold
@KaraKobold 5 лет назад
as a base builder, for groups i used to play rust with, we never once lost anything good, misleading raiders is always better then putting TC in middle with all your loot. in fact, most of my loot rooms are 10 satchels from being raided xD its just a matter of people assuming its honeycombing instead of a loot-room =P. a fun thing to do, is use your triangles that are normally honey comb, but put a door on the inside instead of a wall, if your getting onlined, you can dip into the honey comb and have a small box with a DB and some ammo. ^-^ but glad my... interesting thought process may and up helping people :3
@kr1gas
@kr1gas 5 лет назад
Last 2 months i noticed that i constatly get raided straight to TC , meaning someone is spreading really good wh hacks.
@yuzi87
@yuzi87 5 лет назад
@@KaraKobold You think like me mate, all my bases are designed to trick raiders and make them waste time. you should come on dankbuild server and check out some of my builds
@jhvgvks5031
@jhvgvks5031 5 лет назад
The ideas I like is putting the tc behind a locker, t3 work bench, or vending machine (some people use them as storage that take more than 2 rockets to destroy, increasing raid costs). The tc is effectively outside the innermost layer of honeycomb. Even if they expect this trick, if you line the core with vending machines and bags in the honeycomb, the raid can get a lot more expensive (you could use drop boxes). This is typically bases with a diameter of 7-11 foundations. An alternative that can also be used for smaller bases is to have a basement (maybe a bunker) no more than half a piece higher than the outer foundations. This works great for bases with a diameter of more like 5 foundations which are built in a dip in the ground. It might be frustrating to get right, but you could have the tc below the ground level outside the base. The hope is that you can force raiders to destroy half your honeycomb for all loot and tc.
@user-ge5em7tp2e
@user-ge5em7tp2e 5 лет назад
So satisfying to watch you build xD
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
Isn't it? These high speed recordings are damn satisfying to watch. The builder is Zedge though :D
@rhaz7315
@rhaz7315 5 лет назад
smartest builder on earth, keep it up
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
Thanks Rhaz!!!
@ElVainilRip
@ElVainilRip 5 лет назад
thank you Evil Wurst I learned a lot from your videos! cheers from argentina
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
Saludos a Argentia!
@rammsssdale9586
@rammsssdale9586 5 лет назад
Best builder in rust keep it up dude
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
Thanks Rammmmmmmmssssssssdale!
@WhatsMyNameYT
@WhatsMyNameYT 5 лет назад
Just a tip of advice for new players trying to build. When building a 2x2 add half height walls to the top. Upgrade to sheetmetal. I see a lot of base make 2x2 but don't upgrade or expanded and cramp everything inside. Please make your base harder.
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
Good advice! Listen to Evan!
@GH3ROZ99
@GH3ROZ99 5 лет назад
Bruh I have 2.1k hours and I still live in a 2x2, because whenever i build a large base it always gets raided so quick. 2x2 is love and also life....
@rhaz7315
@rhaz7315 5 лет назад
I'd love to see people accept getting raided is a part of the game and not the end of a wipe, plus it is imo more important to play the game than farming to keep a big base up which will be raided sooner or later.
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
LOL, Oliver
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
True Rhaz, and each raid is also an opportunity to learn how to improve the base design, or even start building a new base
@jianvincentmalagsic4807
@jianvincentmalagsic4807 5 лет назад
Keep it up the good work brother
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
Thanks Element S!
@vinbaz1337
@vinbaz1337 5 лет назад
I agree with you man. Having several bases instead of one creates a big opporunity. I usually have 1 main base, 1 upgraded starter and 1 refinery base. None of them are big but they are work if one gets raided
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
Yes, way to go!
@zoneofmasters
@zoneofmasters 5 лет назад
Notifications gang
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
Cheers!
@jonasnuttbrock4884
@jonasnuttbrock4884 5 лет назад
Hey Evil, can you make a base build/box placement for the base in the beginning?
@Alkaris
@Alkaris 5 лет назад
Even if you can't farm that many nodes, just going around to every crates and drum barrels you come across you'll get a ton of items which you can just recycle into Scrap, Metal Fragments and High Quality Metals, Each item that can be turned into scrap or metal fragments can vary. I usually take any opportunity to scrap weapon bodies like SMG and rifle bodies, as well as Pipes and Tanks since you'll get a lot of metal and high-quality metals out of them. Another thing to consider that you can do, that I don't think a lot of people seem to know about, but is more difficult to do if you're solo or duo is destroying the Bradley APC and Attack Helicopter, you can get a lot of high quality and metal fragments from them by mining them with a pickaxe, it's a high risk reward but you should get at least 1k metal from them once you destroy them.
@ClydeW893
@ClydeW893 3 года назад
Do you have a honeycomb small base video for a solo? Thanks!!! Loved this video.
@adamretallick5683
@adamretallick5683 5 лет назад
Thank you
@surebrecdnuoh2774
@surebrecdnuoh2774 5 лет назад
ayee we luv Zedgy
@zedgeftw3236
@zedgeftw3236 5 лет назад
@Xandros999
@Xandros999 5 лет назад
Makes sense. Bases need to be protected all around, but raiders only need one entrance.
@caneva9835
@caneva9835 5 лет назад
Very interesting. I’m expecting about your videos about group of small bases, not necessary in a compound. I didn’t see anyone making videos about that approach and in particulary for DUO/TRIO players.
@RickySpanish12344
@RickySpanish12344 5 лет назад
Wow after all these hours playing Rust I hadn't even considered that. Always struggling to build a bigger, stronger, more secure base rather than multiple bases...
@Erevoking
@Erevoking 5 лет назад
interesting watch
@zedgeftw3236
@zedgeftw3236 5 лет назад
Indeed
@RecKLesSRLTV
@RecKLesSRLTV 5 лет назад
I usually build a basic 2x2 and honeycomb 2 layers. Im a dedicated farmer as I havent quite got PVP down. Once Ive got my outer honey comb upgraded and built. Ill add two layers of half wall on the roof and fill them in. Basically, They have to use the same amount to get in either way.
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
Thanks for sharing that, Reckless ... out of a builder's curiosity, why do you stick to the 2x2 ?
@RecKLesSRLTV
@RecKLesSRLTV 5 лет назад
@@EvilWurst its always been more convient cause when I play Im usually with friends, If Im solo Ill even do just a 1x1 and honeycomb it and add a partial bunker. Its always been a preference thing. I watch alot of the build videos to learn about building. I loved this video cause it shows how pointless it is to build a big huge base with no honeycomb. Its better to stay compact and honeycomb off the inner area.
@sjadon5808
@sjadon5808 5 лет назад
But how does it compare to upgrading certain parts to HQM? I only build small compact bases for 1 or 2 (maybe 3) players and my current base is really compact. But instead of adding layers I upgrade the core to HQM. My base has the size of a honeycombed 2 x 2 which I think/hope will make it less of a Target for raiders.
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
Absolutely agreed, it is a good strategy to upgrade the innermost parts of the base to armored if you have the HQM, and it's a good strategy for the exact reason that you stated I focused on sheet metal only, because it makes the comparison easier and because it's still somewhat realistic to have large sheet metal bases Not sure how to factor in different wall materials, but if you want to do a video on it, I'd link it and advertise it in my Discord!
@sjadon5808
@sjadon5808 5 лет назад
@@EvilWurst well, I actually shot the footage for the video of my base design like weeks ago... Just never put it together. I am kind of busy developing an App and it's taking all my time :( maybe soon!
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
I know, it takes so much time to edit raw footage :|
@user-eq3qf6ty6u
@user-eq3qf6ty6u 5 лет назад
that's why i prefer a big compound of small houses
@thefederalist5546
@thefederalist5546 4 года назад
Did any part of the upkeep system change in Base Building 4.0?
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 4 года назад
Good question. Not that I am aware of, but I don't know if anyone double checked
@monsterzero9456
@monsterzero9456 5 лет назад
Where can i get my own Zedge?
@BearlyMissed
@BearlyMissed 5 лет назад
Aye! It's me!
@jasonharding3886
@jasonharding3886 5 лет назад
Hey Evil nice video, where you been haven’t seen you on PureSurvival3x for a while. XJASONX
@jianvincentmalagsic4807
@jianvincentmalagsic4807 5 лет назад
Hahahahaha I love that base😝😝😝😘😘😘😘
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
In particular, not having doors makes it so convenient!
@mar1k215
@mar1k215 5 лет назад
Can you make pls a big base design for like 5-8 people
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
I have one work-in-progress. It's not gonna be the next upload, but the one after
@mar1k215
@mar1k215 5 лет назад
Evil Wurst thx
@danmemento7220
@danmemento7220 5 лет назад
i am in a no decay server what to do??
@bliz-8410
@bliz-8410 5 лет назад
build big base lol
@pascrew4639
@pascrew4639 5 лет назад
New Sub...
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
Welcome to the channel
@yesquall
@yesquall 5 лет назад
I'm not sure if you're gonna read this but it's deus, hope you remember me XD.
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
Hey Deus, thanks for joining us for 2x2 build party!
@damondisepio8259
@damondisepio8259 5 лет назад
I'm making that 56 rocket build on a 1000x xD
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
LOL ... the base that was never intended to be a base. Good luck!
@proto4870
@proto4870 5 лет назад
Hey wheres my pinned comment “Axndr”
@freespeech7747
@freespeech7747 2 года назад
Spread the loot, keep the over all cost down by having many small bases
@khrokihh
@khrokihh Год назад
im solo and i can keep a 14 000 Stone 5k métal 120hq base daily (official server) take à lot of time tho....wiping in 18h gonna miss it,about 3 double door hq,2 door hq and 13 garage door (strate to tc is 3 double hq door and 5 garage) door from top is 2 double hq door and 9 garage,2 first floor double honneycomb,2x2 where the tc full hq,2 roof bunkered,look like à sasuke shuriken lowest cost around 30k sulfur highest around 70-90k
@OldManPaxusYT
@OldManPaxusYT 5 лет назад
wow u have some patience
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
Huh? Why's that, Paxus?
@OldManPaxusYT
@OldManPaxusYT 5 лет назад
adding all those layers of honeycombe.. i would never have the patience to do that, just for a video
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
LOL, this was actually one of the "easier" videos in terms of workload. I am working on a clan base now, and this is taking ages :D
@OldManPaxusYT
@OldManPaxusYT 5 лет назад
like i said, you have some patience! ; ) Good work! I'm thinking of doing a video on 'base fundamentals' - i keep seeing bases that don't have the basics right.....
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
Hahaha, I guess as a fellow content creator you can appreciate the amount of working going into each video :) Looking forward to your base fundamentals!!
@KatouMiwa
@KatouMiwa 5 лет назад
Is there a easy way to find a becan garnade and would u recommend honey comb say 2 or 3 layers for a single player .? I got satchle. And then I found a vegan garnade then somone killed me right away #tilt i just don't know if I found it in a barrel or that box that spawns with a barrel or that little tool box
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
It's really hard to make a general recommendation about how many layers to loot. For solo players, it might even be more efficient to have several 1 or 2 wall to loot bases Beancan grenades spawn with 1% probability in the wooden chests: rustlabs.com/item/beancan-grenade, but you can also find them in sunken chests or airdrops
@Tommo020788
@Tommo020788 5 лет назад
The annoying thing is, if you have that many layers of wall protection, you have to have so many doors to compare to the same protection. one wall costs 4x what a door does to get through, so if you have 4 layers of honeycomb, u gotta have 16 doors to tc or its not worth. Coming in and out of a base with 16 doors on it is just stupidly annoying. If you add garage doors, u can reduce this to half (8 doors) but that is still really annoying as hell to get in and out of every day.
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
Yes, absolutely, and it makes the calculation even more difficult, this is why I excluded them in the calculation
@whatintheabrahamlincolnisg9567
Make a airlock of sheet metal doors and build the rest with garage doors most of the times you can leave the garage doors open if you go outside and if you went on farming and shit and you hear you are getting raided then you can always flank them and if you die you die but you can spawn in base and close up the garage doors Most of the times i leave my doors open and there was not even a single time i was getting raided in that time and i haven’t managed to close off base
@Tommo020788
@Tommo020788 5 лет назад
@@whatintheabrahamlincolnisg9567 another thing I've done similarly, is to actually make a trap inside my base, and just leave it open while I go farm too. Then while you are farming, your base can make you some profit. But then people tend to get salty at you pretty quick.
@JC3_Gaming
@JC3_Gaming 2 года назад
Please do stone quick
@Draxis32
@Draxis32 5 лет назад
TL;DW Secrecy, deterrence and deceit are your best weapons to protect your base
@user914k
@user914k 5 лет назад
I'm always using 3 layers of walls.
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
Now you can argue with data why that makes sense
@squeekerradio9523
@squeekerradio9523 5 лет назад
Evil can you do a base build please 3x walls to main core, Door/roof stability bunker, Core with triangle at centre with squares on each side, For a good farming, pvp trio group. Thank you
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
Sounds like you have already designed it in your head :) Why don't you hop on WankBank and test it out? My queue is full
@Schoko3100
@Schoko3100 5 лет назад
I got one that offers 3 Exploits xD
@kinggebus973
@kinggebus973 5 лет назад
Bruh as a solo I had 22k metal up keep daily plus 80 or so Hqm plus the stone
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
You are hired, my good sir!
@-deino2529
@-deino2529 4 года назад
... sure
@cjn0
@cjn0 5 лет назад
Icefuse 1000x server ez farming
@Creatusnow
@Creatusnow 5 лет назад
Build your base against a rock so one side don't need honeycomb!
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
Good suggestion!
@adio
@adio 5 лет назад
Wurscht
@kinglogicxx
@kinglogicxx 5 лет назад
can you make me a 1k rocket base design
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
LOL, that's 67 armored walls to all sides
@adamruck
@adamruck 5 лет назад
Ok now do the same analysis with external walls.
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
External walls just add one layer of protection without increasing the upkeep. The essential insight does not change
@adamruck
@adamruck 5 лет назад
@@EvilWurst It kind of does though. Instead of building the very expensive layers 4/5/6 I could instead choose to switch to building external walls which have no upkeep.
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
Kind of? The last time I placed a high-external wall next to a TC, the upkeep did not change at all. If they do add upkeep, I'd like to know
@adamruck
@adamruck 5 лет назад
@@EvilWurst Sorry, when I said "it kind of does" I was responding to "the essential insight does not change". I wasn't trying to say that the upkeep is affected by external walls.
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
Thanks for the clarification,@@adamruck
@user-xs4wp7yz4g
@user-xs4wp7yz4g 5 лет назад
Норм
@mustafanecatiozdemir9024
@mustafanecatiozdemir9024 4 года назад
true german.
@sedna7640
@sedna7640 5 лет назад
Rawr?
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
Meow?
@zedgeftw3236
@zedgeftw3236 5 лет назад
Wooooof
@sedna7640
@sedna7640 5 лет назад
Moooo?
@MrHuno92
@MrHuno92 5 лет назад
I bet its less rockets to the core without the zedge... I mean who the hell can keep a zedge in his base at all times.. your videos are pretty unrealistic
@zedgeftw3236
@zedgeftw3236 5 лет назад
So true
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
I .... I .... you are absolutely right. I'll be in my corner praying for forgiveness ;-)
@forevergogo
@forevergogo 5 лет назад
So...... maybe it would be Smart to not put All your loot in a single spot? Its that or go play a modded server with less upkeep costs.
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
Splitting loot usually means that raiders have an easier time getting a part of your loot, but a harder time to get to all your loot
@zedgeftw3236
@zedgeftw3236 5 лет назад
Disclaimer most of you wont have zedge sitting in thd quarner
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
Lucky me then :)
@cthulhuaid2998
@cthulhuaid2998 5 лет назад
Pls make a solo duo base no BP's no exploits, I don't like having to do exploits when I want loot it just gets annoying and boring just give a no bp base for solo without exploits please...
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
Why no exploits? Do you oppose any exploit, or is it just that you find them inconvenient?
@ogelio1936
@ogelio1936 5 лет назад
german quality
@xkrez8344
@xkrez8344 5 лет назад
0:22 hahahaha 7k of metal for day is nothing dudes
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
Oh man, you should read the comments on some of my "bigger" bases ... some people just don't like to farm
@xkrez8344
@xkrez8344 5 лет назад
xD
@user-xs4wp7yz4g
@user-xs4wp7yz4g 5 лет назад
Pls subtitrs.
@angel-mp6hc
@angel-mp6hc 5 лет назад
20 nodes ain even that much
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
You are hired as well!
@laylay5723
@laylay5723 4 года назад
the upkeep system is shit so I always go to no decay servers
@ThanhNguyen-zr5sl
@ThanhNguyen-zr5sl 5 лет назад
.....
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
!!!!!
@zedgeftw3236
@zedgeftw3236 5 лет назад
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
@rusty6k358
@rusty6k358 5 лет назад
Remove upkeep
@EvilWurst
@EvilWurst 5 лет назад
okay
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