Hong Kong’s Divided Gen Z: Can Pro-Democracy & Pro-Beijing Youths Talk Without Fighting? 

They will probably start greeting other one’s mother.

They will greet like this *CHAO NI MA* or *DIU LEI LOU MOU*

@@iloveyouchina9342 bro why you gotta make us sound rude asf 😭

Can they? iirc CCP hates everyone who doesnt speak mandarin.

确实，直接就dio了也说不定

miss labelling eh?? I guess you do not watch CNA that often! this mouth piece of Singapore is basically the echo chamber of western bias media. I am overseas Chinese myself who live next to this country, there are good and bad things about mainland China for it is not a perfect country just like any other country, you don't have to take side, just an honest reporting which in this case I think CNA is lacking. To me, the pro democracy guy is naive and arrogant to generalize the whole 1.4b people, I dont think he has ever set his foot on China but basing his view from what he read from MSM. But that's probably because he is young and his understanding about geo-politic is quite limited, i can understand that, like I was when i was his age, but now I have totally different view.

CNA is pro west and bias reporting at times.

Well, no offence intended, but allow me to ask you a simple question, how have you managed to live in the UK(a clearly western country) for half your life if think western media is that biased lol

@@barry8867 because chinese media is worse lol. It’s all propaganda, eastern or western, gotta use one’s own judgement sometimes

@@zicongma6702 Well, so you do admit that western media are overall better

He’s trying to act western while the other guy is much more western in his thinking

CIA talking points.

free hong kong

@@andyjo8268 imagine being pro Beijing

@@malivev4705 Yeah shouting slogans on the internet is a very anti-communist thing to do

Both of them are actually rational and decent and has some good points but they also overly generalizing and nitpicking include the pro Beijing guy. Yes, he has some points about the west but at the end its not about them. It's between HK and the Beijing Government. It's also not even about Mainland Chinese people but many makes it about them and how being something other than Chinese is a threat. Because obviously not everyone in China are the same including the vaules of Chinese youths. There are multiple regional identities and ethnicities. But the government encourages homogeneous identity and being Han Chinese. The pro-democracy Hker seems to prefer people to acknowledge how Hong Kongers has a different culture which is obvious and want HK to maintain it's autonomy like they used to. That isn't irrational especially if they compared their past economic freedom and goverment style to current policies. Yes, he is very bias but he has his point.

@@malivev4705 imagine wanting to sit on the skulls of commies

Well said.

And even worse, they weren't apologetic and the pro-d youth leaders refused to condemn using violence.

@Soulwalker Young all of them did that did they?

Freedom in HK means Freedom to storm and vandalise the Parliament Freedom to beat up whoever not agree with you Freedom to take away other people's freedom Freedom hurt and kill innocent people Freedom to disregard law and order Freedom..........👏👏👏👏

@@swearwern4286 And guess what? During the British control, there was no way they were allowed such "freedom". The irony.

你有我的尊重

Less freedom under Trudeau if you are a trucker.

He is too young. He never lived under the British rule and it seems that nobody ever taught him anything about that.

HK protesters should know that HK was taken by the British by force. HK belongs to China. There shouldn't be any one country two system, just like Macau.

@@johntan507 Facts!!

Lol I’m not surprised that HK youth is the one to have this kind of behavior ‘cause they all have their adolescence crisis and tend to follow American bad habits. I’ve met and discussed with Beijing students they all look more mature and tend to accept other cultures pretty easily.

I rarely see young Chinese people do this. It's mainly the older generations who have a habit of spitting a lot.

@@TheButterMinecart1 many older Chinese are long time cigarette smokers....

I don’t see ANY of the Chinese youths spit or litter in my country. That dude is either just extremely prejudiced against China mainlanders or he just quoted a real bad example.

They are just purely Anti China. That's their whole purpose. Still living in their honkongers fantasy, probably never set foot in mainland even once. Probably have no idea, across the river, Shenzhen has pretty much reached the same level of development. Not only in terms of economy but also morality. HK ers don't spit on the floor mainly bcs of the 500 dollars fine. Who knows if there's no fine.

else they would be fighting with fist

And he was trying so hard to have a fake accent and looked like a clown.

I agree

Spot on 👌

You guys haven't noticed yet? That's the racism spectrum of fascism showing it's true color. The way he talked about protecting his culture and how he stereotyped 1,4 billion mainlanders.

His condescending attitude was so annoying, really gross

@Sandy Wong true. the funny thing is. being rational and fair with China, is already considered "pro- CCP" these days.

@@fyfn355 I agree, I'm not even a mainland China national, however whenever I talk about a mutual point of view about China, praise the China central government's achievement here and there, anti China individuals often call me a pro-CCP, why do I even pro CCP? This CCP thingy dose not even run my country's government nor benefit me in anyway. This anti China thing just so ridiculous!

China broke its promise of the basic law. And replace governing system and police accountable to the people with one that is ONLY accountable the CCP dictatorship. Replace the independent Judicial and ICAC with a tool of oppression. Instead of a government accountable to the people, the CCP kills all those who question it and its altumate athority, Tiananmen Square. The CCP does not have the interest or safety of its people at heart, only its continued absolute power. Nothing makes this more clear than highly probable covid-19 leak from the Wuhan Virology Lab. EX Hongkonger

@@eveleung8855 Shared feeling here. I am a dual British-Canadian citizen raised in the West and despite repeating how much I equally loathe the Communist party for what it's doing to infringe Chinese people's human rights and freedom, people still label me a pro-CCP when I speak of not wanting to be burnt with petrol bombs or discriminated against just for my Chinese roots by localist HK or Taiwanese folks. At times HKers and Taiwanese netizens would label me a communist just because I said Trump is racist and would support Biden if I were an American. Lol, guess in their eyes, 55% of the Americans are communists for not voting for Trump. Their worlds are totally twisted - I no longer am empathetic to their cause, despite continuing to call for freedom and democracy for all of China.

@@tdwebste Did you even bother to read every single word the basic law has to say? I have, both in English and Chinese, China central government didn't break any basic law, Sino British Joint Declaration Article stated very clear - 3(2) The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region will be directly under the authority of the Central People's Government of the People's Republic of China. This paragraph mean Beijing has full authority in manage HK. And 3(4) The chief executive will be appointed by the Central People's Government on the basis of the results of elections or consultations to be held locally. Stop your lies!!! If you have shred of hard evidence to support your claim that the China Central government break the basic law, please point it out one by one!

@JamManBolitics Nah, you're talking about America who has over 700 military bases in over 80 countries/territories.

@JamManBolitics Clearly, you don't know China. Perhaps, you've never been to China too...

@JamManBolitics Haha, anther 'Chinese expert' who pretends to understading China and never been to China before.

What happened in the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre?

China is growing because countries rely on it economically and this affects the politics of other countries too. China also pays its citizens poor wages, so they can mass produce goods cheaply.

@Winston S Typical kids know nothing about politic nor democracy, not even has any real world experience, but a self center spoiled brat with entitlement up on their brain, never contributed anything to the society, yet, go around with their demand, like the world has owe them a lot, a very sad generation. If they don't lower their pride and prejudices, rethink their action, they will be come the fringe of the society.

HK rioters and protesters are NOT "pro democracy" at all! HK rioters burnt and killed innocent HK old people who disagreed with them!

@Winston S I feel that Hong Kong’s universities and even secondary schools should immediately start the student exchange programes with its counterparts in Mainland China as a compulsory part of their education so that these youths would learn more about the mainland and create more integration and exchange and this should be a consideration for graduation.

Perhaps CNA don't want to cause controversy by labelling them open-minded & extremist lol

@Soulwalker Young why cannot take side ? CNA can be run by other races. Why need to pro-beijing ? They have no connection to china.

@Soulwalker Young CNY control by SG government

Agree. All of Keybros videos are well researched and they always emphasize listening to all side. Def disappointed in CNA

CNA is affiliated, I suspect similarly financed too, to the MSM. Such so-called news channels are popping up all over the world with similar agenda

What were the circumstances? We do not hear much in the USA.

@@jiahsisco5667 Really sad how education varies in the US, I learned that in my ap world class. In short, it was the result of The First Opium War between Great Britain and Qing China (1839-1842). British merchants were selling opium to smugglers, which caused a rise in addiction (This was done so they could buy Chinese tea, porcelain and silk, which were really prized in Europe). It was banned and opium in the major city of Canton was seized, with any new sellers being threatened with a death penalty. Britain didn't like that and sent the Royal Navy out. They had the better ships and guns so they won. In the end, the Treaty of Nanking was signed and Hong Kong was given to Britain. Ports which allowed foreigners to do trade in China were also opened up.

I don't understand how Hong Kongers think they are "better" than mainlanders. Like this guy Drew Binsky, he made an extremely rude comment where he said that Hong Kongers are more open minded and polite than mainlanders. And then I saw most normal western tourists in China, where they said the chinese people either helped them when they were lost, or offered to pay them money. so dumb

He was saying in a point that Hong Kong people have positive way of life, and more well rounded than mainlanders. Hong Kong people actually immerse into diversity way more than mainlanders due to British colonisation. There were negative aspects about colonialism but British actually were very good administrators. Hong Kong law has good democratic values with good welfare system. It is a very small country with flourishing economy before and after chinese handover.

@@alexhe926 mainlanders have language barriers with foreigners. Hong Kong people are not very friendly with strangers. But they have English speaking skills and ability to communicate. Hong Kong people are generally more open minded than mainlanders due to their exposure under democratic laws and welfare. Mainlanders are generally different on ideals. They are more conservative but very limited due to limited amount of news and education has given them. Here is a thing, mainlanders all over China are very different. It depends where you go. Shanghaiese have cold personality. They are straightforward. They don’t deal or waste time with a person who doesn’t have something to offer them. Shanghainese men are often friendlier. Hong Kong tend to be rude and busybody. But once you get to know them, they are very open minded and know a lot of things. They are very hardworking. Here is a thing, people in Hong and mainlanders are actually very good people. Very good soul. They have their own sense of intelligence. Hong Kong are more well rounded. Mainlanders are more like eager to learn. Here is what separate them- it is not human themselves. It is politics that divided them. But more how they are different. Hong Kong people wanted more capitalism, free market economy, democratic- Republican value. More free country. China is communist country with state capitalism, socialism, big govt interference, less freedom of speech- more controlled. They even ban social media from overseas. And they make their own. This is about which place has better system to live in. To be frank, Hong Kong has a very good welfare system and fixed tax system. They don’t charge extra taxes. The government don’t run after you for more taxes. China has salary or ownership cap. You don’t want to make too much money in China. Because If you do, the government gets a big share. It is very limited applying freedom of speech. It is less restrictive than North Korea but more restrictive than Hong Kong. When you need information, you get more from Hong Kong than China. Which place do you prefer. That is the point of debate.

Leftist left the chat yA too political unfollow

@@simp2234 yes, because the leftists are the only politically loud ones, sure

Why are you here then?

Yep, go talk to the Hong Kong government then

Liberal

He's been taught to hate himself and see a race in black and white terms. Just what they learn in HK schools that have narrow teaching about chinese people.

@@SS-tr6ei Too bad for your comment, you only worth one cent, 一毛蟲！

Totally agree, a person with his bucket full has no capacity to accept other point of views. While Key Bro is cool calm and collected, and open minded. This is how we all need to be, always keep an open mind and listen to other people's point of view. Differing point of views, do not mean he or she is your enemy. A person with different point of view has the equal right as you to be there, to stay alive.

Key bros always does their homework.

KK: I learn from BBC and CNN.

From the vid , to me kk sounds to me to be more a separatist who wanted a western democratic style of governance while key bros except that hk is a part of china and puts more faith in the current chinese government .

Scratch a liberal. And you’re thinking of nationalism. Patriotism is pride in ones country, nationalism is the belief that your country is superior for whatever reason, and this is the point of pride, which overlaps with fascism.

exactly, they are actually becoming another way of communists. Democratic way.

@@1vlaadchamp198 nationalism doesn’t mean your race or ethnicity is superior that’s ultranationalism which KK is.

@@bisayafascist5725 When did I say anything about racial superiority? I said national superiority. Race is usually one of those points of superiority but not always.

@@1vlaadchamp198 Oh ok. When an ideology has crossed the line of superiority to others it’s no longer called fascism it’s now called national socialism I always remind myself of that.

One is a citizen. One is pro-independents.

Yea exactly This debate and the comments section is pretty unfair to Kk, Pretty sure they cut a lot what Kk said and he has a slight disadvantage of having less English proficiency than keybros, I’m from Hong Kong, with keybro’s accent, he probably spent some amount of time aboard or studied in a private school, with different educational background , definitely Keybros have a “better “grown and open minded mindset and debating skills. I also feel like this talk is pretty scripted and both guests have everything planned in their head, which isn’t exciting at all. I think Kk could have delivered the conversation better. Or even to have a better effect, do this talk in Cantonese with two local born and raised hongkongers and will have a less bias result.

@@hayleywng How about no!?😂

I don't find his English limited. What's limiting is his lack of life experience to see how democracy functions or not in, say, the US.

lmao

lol.nice

lol

you are a genius!

No wonder 😅

If the pro democracy guy said anymore, he'd be arrested under the national security "law"

Do you believe the extremists that are protesting in Hong Kong have any interest in constructive dialogue or solutions? You cannot change the minds of people whose minds are totally closed.

@@lynth I mean it sounds like you have your mind made up about a group of people you have applied a blanket statement to. You should look inward and try to figure out why you are full of so much hate and sadness.

@@linstein5903 are you saying KK wants to talk about secession? If so, you’d be right. Otherwise, not so right.

The supporters of the HK unrest don’t want to come to agreement, because their social construct is based on being disagreeable, not finding solutions. That’s the general problem with pre-NSL politics in Hong Kong. Once they compromise, they lose their justification for existing-they aren’t actually interested in solving problems.

KK is a brainwashed zombie

Haha.. Exactly.

Because Key is more mature and studied law . Here is the difference !

That's right.

KK can’t think for himself

seriously if Keybros is really that patriotic about being a Chinese, i wanna ask him, 1) why he chose to study overseas? 2) when he said people in China can also protest, my follow up question is where are these protestors now? still in jail? i cannot deny that at some points of the discussions. Keybros appeals bit more mature yet i feel what he said has been scripted somehow by his pro China affiliates. And i cant never stop being skeptical in all pro China movement and speech. I would just consider it as some sort of propaganda. On the other hand, well done KK, you are a true HKer, so pure, real and no disguise!

@@ypyk2526 I'm not Chinese and my country has a lot of beef with China. But I'm also a person of reason and I always try to be dispassionate when it comes to political analysis. Your two questions can be easily answered: First, studying abroad has nothing to do with patriotism. Gandhi studied in England and was against English rule. Second, "protests" must be done within the confine of the law, unless you want to start a violent revolution. Smart people know how to protest within the grey areas of the law, but stupid "protesters" will always be exploited by opportunistic politicians for their personal (political) career gains.

@@ypyk2526 can you comment on the arrest of the rioters (so-called peaceful protesters on your term) who stormed the White House on Jan 6th this year? Why we don't see you to name the US government as totalitarian regime who suppressed the freedom of demonstrations and human rights and took away a human lives in the past 6 months?

I agree to the first half of what u said. But maybe you have a stereotype towards protesters in HongKong. Just as some people in mainland consider protesters as terrorists, this kind of thought and description may be not appropriate.

the thing you have to understand is that all of these kids are not spoiled brats but normal kids that are like most other kids very impressionable at their young ages. the problem here is the fact that these kids are being lied to and taken advantage of by outside groups and at their own expense. it has been documented by the cia cutout the NED that they have been there funding and training these kids and they started a little over two years before the protests even started. so this is just the case of a foreign power taking advantage of children to promote there own geopolitical agenda. the worst part is that if this were to be successful these kids would not have fought for freedom or a better life like they think, but for the right for America to be their new ruler!!! this is why its mostly kids because older people in Hong Kong remember what British rule entailed!!! this is a sad situation and the fact that the NED is funding the same thing in Thailand, Myanmar and Xinjiang needs to be addressed and stopped!!! This is not freedom its tyranny!!!

Exactly

best comment ever

I think people who have entered the workforce are aware of China’s impressive progress. It’s mainly the teens who have not come to terms with this reality, due to their self-selected exposure to the world. Especially vulnerable are the children of parents who desperately cling onto Cold War views of China and “Communism.” If and when those kids get in trouble for breaking the law, the parents have created a self-fulfilling prophecy. It’s really twisted and sad.

Claiming that Hong Kongers have a sense of superiority and then telling them that the Chinese way of living is better and they should just give in and assimilate because that's what you think is better for them is peak irony.

Yes I'm thai-chinese Chinese are not closed mind but the western media tried to portray Chinese as they are brainwashed by gov. I mean most of the mainlanders I known have both perspective west and east this is not just the young gen but the old as well

@@natalial.8727 5555 แค่พูดว่าไต้หวันเป็นประเทศคนจีนก็รุมด่าละ นี้เรียกว่าopen mindedหรอ

China broke its promise of the basic law. And replace governing system and police accountable to the people with one that is ONLY accountable the CCP dictatorship. Replace the independent Judicial and ICAC with a tool of oppression. Instead of a government accountable to the people, the CCP kills all those who question it and its altumate athority, Tiananmen Square. The CCP does not have the interest or safety of its people at heart, only its continued absolute power. Nothing makes this more clear than highly probable covid-19 leak from the Wuhan Virology Lab. EX Hongkonger

@@tdwebste NONSENSE !!! I’ve looked n learned about this matter myself n what I discovered was that all of what u mentioned above were propaganda against China n CCP. About the Tiananmen Square riot, the western or the so called “pro democracy” medias always reported that a CCP tank run over a man but there was never a single video captured the exact moment, it just seemed like any other demonstrations where victims occurred from both rioters/protesters n the military/police. Also people often say that it’s dangerous to visit China, the CCP harvest human organs n I was like what the hell.......then I realized that this was the rumor spread by Falun Gong. Well, what I’ve learned through my Singaporean friend is that never judge others through others........

@@tdwebste parrot!

@@tdwebste Ex Hong Konger? What are you now? Mainland Chinese. That's great

@@oliver6224 Not all Chinese are from China, some are from Singapore, Taiwan, Canada, US, Germany, France. Every though their race is Chinese we call them according to where they live.

Wrong bro, it's not second hand democracy, it's 200th hand democracy... HK was never a democratic place under British rule 😉

London college beats HK local college in education.:-p

@@canpek545 not really

@@canpek545 I think it’s more because he’s an activist. He keeps supporting pro-democracy ideas, so it’s easier for him to be in a biased environment. Edit: As in confirmation bias

@@user-ty2fm3ge9m Ironically many radicals are from low income family and their parents are mainland immigrants but they don't believe they have a promising future and that is why they are kinda self-hated.

Glasses Disgusting

definitely

Adult wannabe vs adult

That brings out another issue: Higher class citizens in HK had dominate the real knowledge of China, yet losers in HK had been brainwashed by Washington.

@@hondap6577 weird though

@@hondap6577 hahaha nice brainwashed by CCP. We all know CCP : 1 big lie

KKK boy wouldn't bat an eye if he saw white kids spitting on the floor. Growing up in Canada, I've seen it a lot, but the white masters get a pass right?

Same feeling here bro

Typical pro-"democracy" western puppets

Total voting membership: 193. More than 100 countries voted “Yes.” Question 1 - Who voted against it? Ans 1 - USA, UK, Australia, Canada Question 2 - Who voted Abstention? Ans 2 - And All EU countries voted _Abstained_

China broke its promise of the basic law. And replace governing system and police accountable to the people with one that is ONLY accountable the CCP dictatorship. Replace the independent Judicial and ICAC with a tool of oppression. Instead of a government accountable to the people, the CCP kills all those who question it and its altumate athority, Tiananmen Square. The CCP does not have the interest or safety of its people at heart, only its continued absolute power. Nothing makes this more clear than highly probable covid-19 leak from the Wuhan Virology Lab. EX Hongkonger

@@tdwebste Capitalism has failed the people, they have been raped and robbed by the colonizer and the elites for centuries.And the US want to contain China rise by cooking up issues to create chaos in HK, Taiwan and Xinjiang. I am an Immigrant living in Hong Kong

Democracy lost in Hong Kong and the Pro-democracy didn't like the result. Pro-democracy only work if they win. If not they cannot talk peacefully.

@@wangj6766 What happened in Hong Kong? The Pro-democracy group lost in a Democracy election and blamed the CCP. The Pro-democracy even went as far as destroying the transportation systems to keep the old and poor people away from voting. Yet still lose.

I ain't seeing any Pro-Democracy here living in Hk, only rioters who punishes people for having different political views.

@@vangcruz4442 They even burned old ppl alive... I saw that video in youtube so Nazi....

you mean one got to escape the troubles in HK and avoid the problems by hiding in a western democracy while the other had to live through the issues

@@matthewbentley1236 More like one who lived his life in an echo chamber while the other has actually seen both sides of the world.

@@matthewbentley1236 one lives in the allegory of the cave while key bros escaped the cave and saw the truth

Through what medium does one living abroad has the ability to know the "real picture"?

@@tenniswithric Living abroad doesn't necessarily mean knowing a more realistic picture, but living outside of HK definitely helps. HK is the only place on earth where 'peaceful protestors' openly declared that they are not going to condemn the rioters and that they are one of a whole (和勇不分家？核爆都不割?).

Hmmm

Don’t mess with bar like Margaret Ng

I hope someone who says such childish and asinine things without realizing it has nothing to do with the process of justice.

“And they’re open minded” such a broad presumption that is false. Being a law student does not make a person more open minded.

*Imagine taking this seriously and being offended*

Well it's easy when one side represents a large aggressor. If there was another larger country trying to consume China, and then each side sent someone to talk, isn't it predictable that the smaller side that faces being taken over against their will is not willing to listen? This isn't rocket science here....

@@craigdaurizio686 definition of "talk" is go into it with a firm vision of your belief but at the same time open to listen to the other party...

@@sun8goh Perhaps it is because English isn't your primary language, but I understood that the reason why he isn't willing to have his mind changed is because the CCP is unwilling to let HK live as an independent country. That's very reasonable. If I was violating you and refused to stop, but we decided to talk, of course your mind would not be changed no matter what I said. How can you not understand this? This situation has nothing to do with having an open mind. Do you believe that it does?

@@craigdaurizio686 not exactly as it is only a small portion of Hong Kong that wants that. Mainly the students who don’t remember what it was like being controlled as a British colony and have been influenced by the west either through media or university. So how would you class that as a take over? Especially when Hong Kong is China, all the Chinese government are doing is trying to make an easier transitional period instead of completely changing everything once the transitional time period that was set is over. If they don’t gradually change the situation there would be absolute chaos in Hong Kong on the first day after the period ends. If you think about it with an unbiased mind then it will make sense.

@@craigdaurizio686 The unchallengeable fact is that HK is a city in China, it never is a country as you "think". Give me a country that tolerate separatist? Imagine California demand independent from US, or Hokkaido make the same demand..

Possibly but we are taking about being one nation here and no so much about having friends from China. I agree he has prejudices but being one nation is a completely different topic. It’s like asking Malaysia and Singapore to merge again under circumstances. I believe both countries have good friends with each other but merging is a completely different thing.

Too bad he was born in China, with Chinese genes and look. He might be better off to start hate himself.

I see that you are a man of culture. Yes, that's fascism on the spot. The way he protrayed mainlanders by using stereotype and talked about protecting his culture. Yep. I bet he's also religious, because fascism relies on mythical believe to take root.

@@MrCliverandy you say religious like it's a bad thing.

@@peterwallis4288 . What do you call somethong that promotes lunacy?

He's just too stupid to figure it out

Hong Kong and China have very different cultures. One had 160 years of British cultural influence. One did not

Even the native HK people don’t call themselves HKer they know their roots.

@@force1535 LOL @ “cultural influence”. New Zealand, Australia ,Canada were influenced by British culture. HK,India,SA aren’t even allowed to have their own representatives within their OWN local govt. These HKers are delusional, the brits didn’t culturally influence HK, it dominated and ruled HK like India and SA. It amuses me every time to see the HKers’ reaction when you speak Chinese vs English to them, inferiority complex is a bitch.

@@jeffj3357 HK and China is too different

@@force1535 one has been like a dog for the British and the other one is coming to eat it

does the pro-democracy guy think that being a hongkonger give him an elite status compared to other Chinese ? kind of arrogant and delusional. China has some badly behaved people but so is hongkong and other countries as well.

@CC no no no. He said he studies at a local school

@CC You are not paying attention - The pro-democracy one is studying in HK, that is also the reason why the mindset of "oppression" and "democracy" is embedded in him even when HK is ranked 3rd on the human freedom index in the world! His disease is called "Cantonese Supremacy"

Our KK definitely have a Cantonese supremacy feeling I don’t deny but the main question is should HK & China citizen merge as one? Perhaps not as they really run on completely different administration. Being friends and agreeing to disagree can happen all around the world but I think these 2 nations are set to thrive more if they stay separate rather than trying to squeeze themselves as one.

@@dunlop9292 I think you are making a big assumption here. You treat hk as a nation rather than a city of a nation. In my understanding, it has never been and it would never been an independent state. Now, if we accepted this fact, the question o rather they should merge as one, I would say why shouldn’t they? We have been talking about globalization for so long and we know it has improved life quality. So why shall we separate hk from the rest including China? Are we saying that hk shall mingle with all but not China? This is an interesting finding I have on China. As soon as one mentions China, the rest view it as a moral hazard and try hard to disassociate. I think the media has done a great job to degrade China. But is china really bad as they have described? Probably not, at least not on the visits I have made to the land. China is following a Singaporean model per se. we can probably find many similarities in both nations

@WeAre TheWorld yet they know nothing, absolutely nothing about politics, that is the saddest part.

首先，中國人不討論政治，是因為不能對政治作有影響力的討論。舉個例，孫大午。 其次，只有不理解人權價值，才會將民主自由矮化為「中性」。連共產黨都會做做樣子，把德先生寫進十二個核心價值裡。難道富強、和諧、平等不算正面？ 經濟的增長不一定能帶來幸福的生活，中國近年國進民退是有目共睹的。倘若按照你的思路，有人討論政治，也是因為現在的政府出了問題，不能滿足人民的需要。 十年八載以前的管理層還算懂得約束權力，摸著石頭過河沒出多少事，但翠翠上台後倒行逆施，天天鬥爭，本沒內憂卻搞出一堆爛攤，原沒外患卻養出成群戰狼。 中國的現行制度是為獨裁者度身訂造的，極權體制配上白痴領導，出了問題只會解決提出來的人，而當制度上沒有任何權力制衡，人人都能變納粹元首。這是人性，在歷史上屢見不鮮了，不幸的是中國從未有走出過帝制的陰霾。 在民主自由兩者皆無的制度下，上面一個爛政策壓下來就能毁掉數代人的勞動成果。正因為不能討論政治，基層、中產連尋求改變的機會都沒有。 這涉及對基本人權的理解和要求，如果閣下的思維是中國人的普遍思維，那就只能說，現下中國人還沒從百姓成長為真正的公民。 也許有人會說，有了溫飽再說別的不遲，但希望大家別忘了，美國的憲法同樣是寫於立國之初，而在初稿沒有提及人權的情況下，甚至一度無法通過。

Funny how fascism deluted individuals are usually more afraid of leaving their own comfort sofa.. same phenomena everywhere.

@@SS-tr6ei . So you are actually suggesting one should check other's family background as validation to their opinion instead of the opinion itself. How interesting. Do you know that not only it's undemocratic but also unacademical to suggest something as fascist as that as morally normal? So, are you in someway decended from the Taiping lunatics? 😂😂😂😂

What a failure of Hongkong's education system, youths rather be colonized than being independent. They have no idea how much their ancestors suffered from imperialism!

@@lianzijin5955 . That's called colonial mentalism. And Christianity also plays a great role in making one dumb, mentally disturbed and bow down to the whites.

It's so true. I once saw a Chinese pro-west "journalist" "reporting" about hospitals in China, he showed a waiting room and said "can you imagine any government let their own people waiting to be treated"? I was so certain that he has never lived abroad... It was a walk-in hospital without appointment btw..

看到你的分享才看到这个视频的，btw,新疆视频很不错

KK based his knowledge of Chinese youths on stereotype.

Meanwhile KK is advocating for democracy, freedom and liberty. So first of all that's an automatic win for me. Secondly what does Keybros mean when saying we should have an alternate view from other people? Who are these other people? Chinese Govt. or the Hong Kong youth fueled by Chinese Propaganda?

@@dsodragon8152 I guess he meant people like me, I think propaganda exist in every country, not just China, but I know a lot of youth around me knows better on freedom and democracy than you think we are, we just be more patient on the progress, people are happy with the goverment because we felt this country is getting better, while the western media is telling you that we are living in hell here, not true, we are OK.

@@dsodragon8152 So do you want only one view in society? That by definition is totalitarianism. Having alternative views is precisely what democratic societies are about, surely not setting people on fire and forcing them to agree with you. Secondly, I don't think KK is really advocating for democracy, he seems to be advocating for separatism and foreign interference. And HK is already free, it's constantly ranked as one of the freest cities in the world after the Handover by western think tanks

@@BC-xj1yn okay let's break down what you said and assumed: 1. I don't assume to know what kk thinks or Really stands for. So foreign intervention, or separatism.... Whatever I just commented on keybros fallacies, which he tried hiding with smooth talking. 2. When I said there is only one type of freedom, that's right isn't it? Either you speak what you think or you get suppressed by the state, there's no third alley here. Freedom is not a 'point of view', it's a state of being. YOU ARE EITHER FREE OR NOT FREE! 3. Hong Kong WAS free my friend, what the democratic youth are fighting for is the growing control of China in Hong Kong. In case you missed the memo, China implemented a bunch of changes like: increasing no. of pro party legislators, censoring the Hong Kong media, police violence, mass surveillance. Now for people like you what the CCP does is, it slowly increases the control until it has creeped up behind you and it's over. Before you know what's going on. It's like a disease, cut it off before it spreads and rots it to the core.

@JamManBolitics where you go study doesn’t have to have anything to do with politics. And yes the “less well off person” seems much less open minded so it really doesn’t have anything to do with him being less well off, if he is.

"Open minded" people support authoritarian regimes ?

@@tomtam8789 maybe open minded people understand the difference between a country being authoritarian and a country trying to keep all its territory from being taken away by the western powers like the whole Middle East

@@haitaowu5888 Why do you mainlanders bring America into every discussion? China gave the world the VIRUS thanks to their CCP coverup. Ask Li Wenliang and the early whistleblowers... oops sorry you can't cause he's DEAD. I guess you just follow the lead of the CCP propaganda department, picking on every fault of "Amerikkka" and ignoring all of their own problems. China has a million Uighurs in concentration camps, I think that is many times worse than your imagined faults of America. Why don't you check the top 10 wealthiest, most developed and highest quality of living countries ( Including Asian ones like S. Korea, Japan and Taiwan) - almost ALL democracies. Except some lucky enough to have oil.

The problem that no matter what people will see him as chinese... say to him to go to US and people will treat him as virus ....US goverment is like we will support u to be independent also if u came to US just prepare we treat u as virus 😂😂😂😂

@@aiorlin8722 well you give up ur Singapore citizenship or malaysia citizenship and return ? 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪

@@aiorlin8722 youngsters like KK who feels ashamed to be a Chinese for whatever reasons (here he cited the act of spitting!!) really have no self-respect/values and no appreciation of their proud ancestral roots. It certainly will do them good to get acquainted with the some history of China's civilisation.

@@tankman20064 . Yes, one might do so. For bilions of possible reasons. Nationality is something that you can actually chose, unlike race and gene. Well, you can and does mutate your gene on daily basis but not by choice.

@@chongdi6140 I find it quite appalling that people from hong kong are ashamed to call themselves chinese. What they hate is the government, not China. To disregard your own identity like that just because of a few stereotypes of mainlanders is comical. Hong Kong may refuse to be part of the CCP but they are still part of China, therefore no matter what they say they are still Chinese people

but that's true, US is the safest and cleannest palce in the world ------- the HongKong media's world.

Very interesting perspective. Can you tell me more about how "pro-democracy" HKers aren't really what they claim to be?

​@@4grammaton Discriminating against Mandarin speakers, killing innocent seniors, attacking people who disagree with them. This is no democratic. This is facism. Just because you are against a authoritarian regime, doesn't mean you yourself is democratic. Do you know what government the CCP beat? And do you know what government the government the CCP beat beat?

@@yangz1803 Thank you. Do you know where I can find documented evidence of those things being done by "pro-democracy" HK-ers?

@@4grammaton you are welcome. Tons of videos for that in RU-vid.

@@yangz1803 Would you mind linking some? I'm really not familiar with the chinese language or social media scene. I'm also wary of people saying that something is happening, and then it turns out it's not entirely true (it happens a lot in the West on different sides of the political spectrum.)

It's easier to adopt that manner when you're on the side of the conqueror. I'd imagine a similar dynamic between someone from a colonizing nation and a citizen of the colonized country.

@no name isn't it the opposite hahaha idk

​@@asdf56953 Give it a try; publish an opinion article in HK questioning the labour practices/human rights abuses in Xinjiang, and another one questioning the legitimacy of democracy in HK, and see which one is approved.

@@RS-vz8xd if publish in China mainland, both will not approve no doubt. In HK, it was ok. With the national security law, I'm not even sure anymore for both. Publish in SG? Probably both can approve.

@@asdf56953 You're not allowed to write about the legitimacy of HK democracy on the mainland? I think I've seen a number of stories about that from the Global Times and CGTN...

he has yet to see how corrupt the people around him and the western medias... doing the dirty task for greedy governments for their own benefits and destroying millions of Asian lives in the name of human rights and democracy

totally agree that this kid needs to learn what the rest of the world is.

Very true. More life experience will change their mind. I was also intrigued by western 'freedom and democracy' 10 years ago but gradually changed my mind after seeing what has been really happening under the name of democracy. Now I am really disgusted by western propaganda.

This KK will not change till he moves to America, and the knee of Derek Chauvin is on his neck, and he pleaded "I can't breathe"

@Lucas no, but experience does, it just time time. I was a hot head teenager wanting freedom and democracy as well in 1997. After arriving in the West and experienced it first hand for 25 years. I realized, it was ultimatly just another form of government.

Exactly lol

Agreed. They should get a ‘true’ pro Beijing guy for the debate.

Although i don't know enough Keybros, don't forget that a person's incentive (or the message that they try to represent) can be multi faceted.

I mean, CNA must have shown/told Keybros the title, which means they are fine being called this way

Pro Beijing is anti violence. China just doesn’t want to be stepped on any more. Because China is improving so much on its own it’s other countries who are going out of control trying to hold it back at all cost.

Brainwashed kid by CIA RFA. Pity him, not knowing he is only a pawn to be used against China.

But that was always the problem and you hit the nail on the head. You call is "lack of preparation" but actually the so called "pro-democracy" protestors/rioters never really had any substance in any of their conversations/arguments and still do not seem to have improved?

The way he's talking about chinese people only highlight its racism towards peoples that have more in common with him than he will ever have with the West, not only physically. It's well known , HKgers used to think they are superior to mainlanders, no secrest and you can feel it in this video. I'm neither mainlander nor Hkger but i speak cantonese and know both sides.

I don't think KK was allowed to say, what he REALLY wanted to. He could be put away behind bars, if he did.

KK’s accent only exposes his inferior complex deep inside.

@@user-yw5wf6kz5t . He's very proud of his "racial supremacy" though. Even though everybody will laugh to death everytime someone bring this up. Lol.

I have to say truly there is a slight inferior complex in KK but he really lack critical thinking and is very protective of his thought or not open minded at all.

kk is definitely forcing his accent

There’s nothing wrong with a British accent which keybros has. KK is a mixed of British and cantonese

The boy eats too much banana

racially he maybe Chinese, but he wants to be Hong konger as his nationality or national identity. And among the people who live in china everyone is not Chinese. There are Tibetans in Tibet, there are Uighurs in XinJiang . There are Koreans too in Korean autonomous province in China.

I suppose this KK is referring to the national identity as that of the United Kingdom - he prefers to live his Hong Konger life as a subject of a British colony (for just about 200 years); this is chief reason of him for refusing to consider himself asa Chinese in term of his nationality.

@@signumxmagnum then what about Taiwan huh? They are also Chinese but now they have a different nationality. Same with Chinese people living in overseas chinatowns, according to nationality they are something else but racially and ethnically they are also Chinese. But Uighurs are not at all Chinese. The CCP a land mafia company have seized their land and inculcated it into China. Uighurs are not Chinese

@@signumxmagnum tibetans are not Chinese, uighurs are not Chinese, inner mongolians are not Chinese and CCP is a land mafia. Period

In the present too

Yup. I'm getting cringe attacks every time he speaks

Excatly, so in the end the pro-democracy is not so democracy after all. He dun seem interested in other's view.

@@Andy-ik9ti from kk's point of view he truly believe that he know and understand better than keybros cuz he is so free.

He kinda has an insufferable attitude...?

He just repeat what media says. Nothing is his.

Keybros just repeats whataboutism and makes false comparisons.

For sure. I'm from the UK and Hong Kongers, we're fond of them and we welcome them. But culturally they are more Chinese than British. I understand them wanting to fight against the Chinese government in order to get something better and I'm not saying his opinion is wrong in that regard, but Britain isn't really what he thinks it is and he sounds kind of naive due to his lack of perspective.

You were doing so well until you couldn't help but let your vindictiveness get the better of you.

@@mode_seven I give it a B+? Hahaha. The last two sentences were unnecessary and antagonistic but the rest of it is generally legit.

Well typical ccp strawman isnt it, who tf has ever said China/Chinese people are underneath the rest of the world. You see, I’m Chinese myself but I’m mostly with the so called “Western media”’s perspective on ccp’s human rights crimes and atrocities. Though they may have used the word “China” quite often to address the regime, anyone with a clear mind knows that they’re by no means referring to any aspects of the nation except for the dictator Pooh and his cronies ruling it, much less the people who are no less of victims of the regime than anyone else in the world. Sure, us Chinese people in general have higher academic achievement, but would the phd diploma be any more useful than a piece of paper if you have no critical thinking skills that help implement what you learned effectively in improving the current social systems On the contrary, those moguls who kowtow and pander to Xitler’s atrocious acts in return for business opportunities in China are truly anti-Chinese 所以到底誰才是賣國賊呢

CNA is another CGTN mouthpiece.

@@hunyuekhan6422 how so? Care to explain your viewpoint?

@@CondenseFact Democrazy,freedom and human right side don't need reason for smearing China 😂

@@CondenseFact CHinese national in Singapore should not be given any privilege under protection of American alliance

I understand the statement and I believe it is true, but my family and relatives are all worried that I was going to become 'westernalised'

100% lols

@Esphaeras Praestans ok thanks for the comment byez😀

@Esphaeras Praestans when you start rioting in HK, China will finish you when you beat olders in HK, China will finish you when you storming innocent's houses in HK, China will finish you This is not Iraq or Texas, push weapon in your wet dream : )

As I always say. The optimists are the ones to fix things, not the pessimists.

@JamManBolitics Your comment is enough to display your ignorance😂. That man only spoke out his opinions and you think he is a puppet. You are infringing on his freedom of speech already. When a person is disinclined to listen to people with different voices, himself is anti-democratic.

@JamManBolitics Again, you are speaking what you think is right and regarding it as truth, rather than try to understand why Keybro thinks in that way. There is no fixed standards of correct or wrong. As far as I concern, Keybro didn't act arrogantly and respected his opponent while KK didn't. Also, judging all Chinese people based on the behaviour of minority and their government is the biggest mistake KK made in this video. You may dislike CCP but at least do it objectively. That's why I feel you are being to self-righteous and disagree with you at the first place. If you believe in democracy, respect everyone's opinion no matter how absurd it is, because you have your own judgement and won't follow unquestionably.

@@cjyzz101 goddamn, you really don't know the difference between democracy, free speech and rights.

@@cjyzz101 you are right, seem he look down on every mainland china no matter you are a good or bad person. these kind of youth or ppl are easy to manipulated by other interest party.

KK is not cut for any of these three ways🤣

Yeah, no. Those "ways" will not work. The 1st way isnt realistic because many HKers appreciate the freedom they have/had before china took over and many also feel resentment against the CCP. 2nd way wont work because the CCP wont allow it because they like to be in controll. The 3rd way wont work because HK is in a total lockdown, many of them are also not financially able even if it was not in a lockdown. So these "ways" are simply not realistic.

@@mrw0ong16 Frankly I don’t think you get his points. He is not really providing options here.

As a HKer, I am picking the third one.

@@user-yw5wf6kz5t explain his "points" then

Ikr... twisted little brat

right? they thought they are so much better than the mainlanders which is really preplexing

Your a clown and a snowflake?

@@vibecheck4623 wtf are you saying

@@vibecheck4623 I know you are a clown though.

Not brainwashed but indeed a troll funded by the regime

It's funded by the Mediacorp which is a Singaporean public broadcast service.

@@TY-ck1yd too political unfollow

@@simp2234 hmm, have you ever followed?

funny you talk all about brainwashing, yet the term is actually originated from CCP back in the Korea War era, do you know that? Let me tell you what is brainwashing: detaining millions of uyghurs in concentration camp and force them to praise the very government that suppressed them, that’s brainwashing. For a dictatorial regime who did a lot of shits and get exposed on the internet and consequently being despised by others, that’s not brainwashing

if you're so against democracy why did you immigrate to US then

@@detroit_guacamole It's not about being for or against democracy. It's about maturity and not letting your biases interfere with your rational judgement.

Cyrus you’re definitely correct!

@Esphaeras Praestanssomeone's been paying attention to current events.👍

I wish China's action in Hong Kong matched your peaceful optimistic remarks. But they don't. We have to look at reality, not idealism.

@Esphaeras Praestans but wait where did u see CCP get involved in Myanmar affair? Apple Daily? Facebook??? Beijing had a good cooperation relationship with Aung San Suu Kyi for last five years, and even DW (so called anti-China media) said supporting military gov. does not correspond to China's interests. So I dont know why you can easily trust those fake news...

are u one of those myanmar citizens?

And China is getting better day by day. Their citizens lives are improving a lot. China will become a superpower in about 10-20 years. KK is absolutely wrong when he said that the Chinese Mainlanders and China are lousy, because HK was spoiled by the British for way too long.

Birds of the same feather flock together.

@Hakim Habib I'm in the UK. I have seen a lot English kids littering and spitting on the ground. Are you telling me that Britain is no longer a part of Europe since it has left the union?

@Hakim Habib that's utter false I've been to France, lived in the Netherlands and currently am living in Italy, all 3 are somewhat "filthy"

@Barrie Armstrong The difference is that Chinese spit on floor inside, for example hotels with Chinese guests have to put up signs in Chinese saying not to spit on the floor. If locals do that then why are the signs not in Thai or Malay?

@Hakim Habib yes the hell it does London u see people pissing on the streets 😂😂

"Pro democracy" in HK has always been a misnomer… the term should read "anti Beijing".… They have nothing to do with 'democracy' and wouldn't know what democracy was if it took a dump on their faces

@@hfl923 Agreed...they are anarchic proto-fascists and they don't even know it. More importantly, the "pro-democracy" Hong Kongers don't realise that these people are a liability and not the tools nor leverage they need to realise the political reform that they seek.

Any examples?

pretty much sums up all the so called HKers I know and worked with, incredibly narrow minded and self-opinionated.

Shut up five cents

@@kaze5417 calm down

Look at how they treat their maids

Lol no

Pro Beijing should be change to pro stability

Pro-Democacy should change to Pro-Washington

🤣🤣🤣🤣

@Esphaeras Praestans LMAO 🤣

I support CCP because this guy in the clip talks confidently.

I see a maturity , study of law help a lot .

They think Mainland Chinese are 'brainwashed'. The only people who are brainwashed is them being brainwashed the democracy = human rights, when democracy is merely a way for the majority to get the minority to submit to their will. They actually don't care about human rights, and just want to maintain their own status quo, that, they see receding day by day.

@@tc7662 . We are all brainwashed, the only difference is that un mainland China the information is controlled by the Govt .

Good thing he wasn't proposing to run it, was he?

Eventually HK will be run by those of his ilk, if they hv their way,wont it?

@@christinechew660 not really. Who was running it before? Was his ilk running it a few years ago?

@@christinechew660 I mean, this guy is not a politician, clearly. And I doubt he'd put himself forward for that role. But as a citizen, get should get a say in who runs the country. And now it seems that they can choose, but only from candidates Beijing has approved. That's not democracy. Even if you regard HK as a province. Our local government officials don't need to be approved by central government.

Probably got to do with his HK & UK education upbringing. They should get a Chinese citizen to debate on the uniting of HK & China. Perhaps we will get a more better view. After all they are talking about uniting in nationality.

lol exactly hahaha

like singaporeans.

@Sandy Wong I will. Where can I get a hold of that? To me if they keep fighting over who should belong to who is really a deadlock. To me if they can thrive as separate entities why not?

Democracy usually can't accept who different views than them

Really? Would you care to explain this behavior in Thailand? m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wMVjskBB4w0.html

@@craigdaurizio686 the old generation still do, but the Chinese youngsters these days are top notch 👍

@@tospipdevelopment9793 I don't actually believe all Chinese are like that video. But from my observations in Canada, many Chinese have poor manners like the inability to stay in a line, always trying to get to the front without waiting and driving very crazy, so I don't have a positive perspective of Chinese manners. Of course I don't think it's everyone.

@@craigdaurizio686 one of the thing is that not everyone have good manner on this earth. It doesn't matter what county there are, there will be people with low manner living in different society. The reason why that western society are attacking Chinese is because of the media. Yes I'm talking about CNN and BBC. They are just anti China ( on the other side. Chinese media have many stereotypes of western country too). The Western government makes money from conflicts but government in China makes money from economy. That's why western country want to boycott China. And just like I said, there are ratio of people in every country that does low manner stuffs. Because of the huge population that China has, it seems like tons of Chinese has low manner, but they never said that those amount of people are only small part of the entire population of China. Just like the problem of not letting Chinese to eat meat. Yes, the overall yearly meat consume from china is way higher than all other countries, but for meat consume per cap, Chinese only eat about 1/2 amount of meat of average American yearly wise. That's why we should really stop listening to what Media says and just sit and talk together so this way we can understand each other but not just be the one who accusing others all the time.

@@craigdaurizio686 That's more of a problem with your perspective than with the Chinese youth really. It's just dishonest to judge them based on the worst.

Ngl when I read this it honestly made me chuckle

Reading your comment. Hahahaha I must laugh. Malaysia what system is that?

@@namelesssnitchy Malaysia practises a form of Democratic Constitutional Monarchy, derived, but different, from Britain's Westminster system. To some extend, it is a reflection of democracy in its very corrupted form.

The West isn't perfect but it's better than living under a totalitarian, authoritarian, communist regime where citizens have no human rights, no right to freedom of speech, no right to protest, no voting rights, no privacy, no fair trials, a meager wage, social credit score, monitoring on who you associate with, restrictive online censorship, one-party political system, ongoing genocide that CCP sweeps under the carpet.

right, if the CCP is so evil, then mainland Chinese are the one that suffer the most since they are under the control of the CCP. then why don't we show more love towards mainland Chinese? Imagine if the Hongkongers really fight for democracy, and not because they want to feel superior to the mainlanders. imagine how much support they will get from mainland Chinese. As an ethnic Chinese and minority in my country, I have faced discrimination since I was little just because of my ethnicity and my ancestors came from China. There's no way I will support a group of people that discriminate people just because of their place of birth, just because they were born in mainland China. especially our ancestors including Hongkongers ancestors also came from mainland China.

@@roroforo5092 spoken like a true cultured Asian

Good for you and love you brother, 👍👍

lel cringe ccp spy balik tiongsan la

I support you to immigrate to China. Communist supporters should stay in communist countries.

Chinese ? Yes ! But a mainlander! Do not forget the mainland destroyed chinese culture .

@@ehjo4904 and now the mainland hate Taiwan because Taiwan actually preserved it.

Nope because as ironic as it sounds, they don't see those media reports

@Jat03 great point

I fully support KK leaving HK for US, then he will learn what is true "democracy" and "freedom" is really like, and see how American see him, as Hongkonger, if these American can tell where HK is, or Chinese? Hope he will be save on American street and Asian Haters won't practice their "democracy" on him.

For these past 3 years I have been scratching my head. Which right are these “protesters” talking about that China supposedly took away? Freedom of speech, am I hallucinating or are people still criticising the HK govt. every single day, on live TV and on the street?

But we wanna the world belive they lived under fascist's rule