It’s also helpful to know that a high neuroticism score can cause you to assess yourself unfavourably, so it may just be that you’re not as low in conscientiousness as you think.
If I had watched this video before my “intrinsic awakening” (it’s in quotation marks cuz I don’t really know what to call it), I would’ve easily dismissed it all with thoughts such as “this is easier said than done” “he’s just telling me not think negatively think does he know it’s compulsive and intrusive and inevitable?!” “I would still procrastinate even if I make a personal schedule” or I would try to immediately do what you say and then of course fail and then feel terrible because what he said sounded promising. Watching this video now, when I have watched and read countless videos, articles, studies, and books about this before, made me realise that before you decide to change your “self”, you really need a deep introspective interaction with it. I’ve been struggling all my life to be conscientious and there isn’t a single thing that any of these sources recommended that I haven’t tried and inevitably failed. You need to change the core perspective or the paradigm of view of why you’re doing this and I think this is the hardest part. When you objectively assess yourself (and by that I mean not to either self-pity or self-deprecate yourself but to just observe and make logical reasoning), when you try to understand the underlying mechanisms of your behaviour and your temperament (without blaming yourself but also without sympathising with it), and when you truly understand the importance of change (not change that is motivated by fear of incompetence, failure or perfectionism, but by change that is motivated by intelligence which is supported by the understanding and the objective assessment), only then, can one watch such a video and truly reap its benefits and actively listen to every point he makes, because this video is a gem. Like is said though, this is the hardest part. Personally, it took me years of being in the rabbit hole of my mind, years of academic, financial, and social consequences due to this combination of temperament, and also years of realisations (whether ill-motivated or desperately-motivated) that I need to change and get my shit together, for me to really reach this step that feels as though you just made one single foot step. But thing is this small step is in fact a whole paradigm shift that took a long time to make. It’s like taking a step to a whole new perception. I’m not even 1% there, and I’m okay with that. This time, I’m going to create systems not goals. This time, it’ll be an open-ended quest rather than a resolution-seeking task.
@RandomNiche "I’ve been struggling all my life to be conscientious and there isn’t a single thing that any of these sources recommended that I haven’t tried and inevitably failed." this.. this.... SO MUCH THİS !!! you can not, and hear me out YOU CAN NOT UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH I RELATE TO THİS........ i have tried everything calendars schedules etc hundreds of times and quit and retried because in the "self help books" said you have to do it until it works. It's when I quit that I opened a new perspective and a new dimension of thinking of "hey, wait, what if I'm right, and these douchebags ( including my professor doctor paps ) who keep telling me to "work hard always and be disciplined forever" is wrong? What if everybody has a different way of winning? I'm really enlightened and happy and super pissed at the same time / mostly happy lol cause i can now find a solution looking through a window that gives me the sunshine which will power me up like a cosmic plant, which i kept closed for so long because i listened to these low life low achieving fckheads. i pull the uno reverse card. fuck society. they are wrong. i am right. :)
Powerful. I am this temperament as well. I recently started journaling and I could not begin to imagine how to apply all that you said about paradigm shifting and system creating without journaling. You’d think that you could plan out self improvement strategies in your head and just apply it in your life, but there are two problems with that: 1. The definitive strategies of self improvement you’ve outlined in your head WILL mush together at some point (the longer you leave them in your head, the more fuzzy, less defined each strategy you told yourself you’d do becomes) 2. After a while of having those strategies in your mind, you can completely forget those strategies you told yourself you’d start doing, and would have to start all over again at square looking for self help videos, articles, books, podcasts etc to relearn all that you had once had in your head- which just wastes time you could have used to sustain the self improvement journey you had previously started, and can actually become demoralizing after that “forgetting and restarting” cycle happens multiple times. TLDR make sure you journal or keep some sort of record of your self improvement/ paradigm shifting process. I’ll end this with an extremely short clip of Jordan Peterson address some of this topic that I found super helpful: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Eue-UvqOnuo.html P.s. I screenshotted this comment because it gives too much insight into the self improvement process that I KNOW I’ll be referring to later more than once. Not to mention, it’s INSPIRING! Powerful.
I would say try to find a monotone job that doesn't require too much thought and plan your days and whenever you fail accept the failure and get back on track. This should increase your conscientiousness and thereby decrease your neuroticism. It's incredibly hard and will take several years but 100% possible. Also low in everything else is not necessarily bad at all. For example low in agreeable will make you a better negotiator and realist if you manage to lower the neuroticism and increase conscientiousness. Also try to identify when you have feelings of neuroticism and accept having the feeling while you do something and learn that you shouldn't go of how you feel before something but instead what you feel after. Also if you're young keep in mind that conscientiousness usually increase with age (and thereby high neuroticism is lowered). Let this motivate you but don't rely on it and think that you can just wait for things to get better by themselves - that never ever works.
Usually can be depression or you being too hard on yourself.. it's good to have someone you know take it for you and compare the two... Tips from Peterson
I have those personality traits. I chose my priorities and gave permission to try to let go everything else. I wrote down my inevitable obligations which are limited to work and caring for dog. I wrote down my priority life projects which are volunteering, Russian language, military training and training my dog. For each project I listed possible activities (not goals!), and broke them down into steps which I know how to do. Each day if I have energy and motivation I may choose to do something from the ready list of activities. I also commited to activities related to above projects in which I have external obligation to do them. For things I hate but have a willing to force myself to do I list only physical activity. I do not do any schedule, but rather when I want I do some sport like nordic walking, short easy cardio, fast walks. I put it into the calendar when I completed it. I do not create any schedule based on it. Zero self blaming, expectations or pressure, just observing the frequency. I used to have 0 sport, now I do short training twice a month and daily slow walks.
low conscientiousness almost erases the benefits of risk detection in neuroticism, because of lack of attention to detail, particularly in a business setting.
One good thing about high neuroticism is that if you have a very long term goal, it can help keep you on track! Cos you get nervous deviating too far from the path, so you don't! Which can be good, if you don't get toooo stressed out.
Thank you for this video. I was freaking out after finding out just how neurotic i was and was feeling like my life was going to continue to be an impossible uphill battle. You bring silver lining to this and i'll remember your points moving forward.
Dude, this was extremely helpful. Thank you for sharing and making this video. I scored high in neuroticism and low in conscientiousness. I felt helpless like there was no light. I appreciate this.
I scored 17th Conscientiousnessss (a big round ZERO in industriousness btw, dunno how i accomplished that tho) and 97th in neuroticism. But your video helped a lot. Thank you so much.
I just realised truly for myself what neuroticism is. I am 25 years old. Basically any work that requires effort for me is big drama. Any work or goal has the low point where something is wrong, and I cannot stand it, anything that gets into my way is sign for me to stop working in this way. I wish it was differently, I would have just continues but I cannot because I don't want experience negative emotion. If something happens to me, like non significant push or joke to me I will think about it days before stabilize to normal mood. Essentially it is hell, I try to do most safe way where no effort is needed because I don't want be disappointed. I don't fear hard work, the job I do is known to me, I know what expect and will do it hard. But anything beyond that is just stressing too much. I hate myself for that, although I cannot do anything about it. it's like I have to feel every mistake through as electrical chair that's how it feels. I would have never wished anyone these feelings
This has breathed some hope into me. I struggle with self-sabotage and some how the way you explained doing a schedule gave me some relief! Maybe it’s like going to AA… lol. It’s different hearing about solutions from people in the same trenches as you! Thanks for the video.
thank you for the words. I gotta be honest, I scored extremely high on neuroticism and very very low on conscientiousness, so I was pretty worried. Thanks for your guidance, and hope to see more videos detailing your feelings in the future.
Same here, I'm 97th percentile in Neuroticism and 0th percentile in Conscientiousness, there's gotta be a way to work with those traits without changing
@@jackh_irl Same 2 in conscientious and 97 in neuroticism... How's your life going?.. Is it really that bad ..or u happy....in my case i do u get hopless often in times of challenges and take wrong decesions and regret after that and I'm often indecisive because of perfectionism
I'm 0th percentile conscientiousness and something in the 90s for neuroticism. just found out. I thank you for your advice and will stay in contact - if I remember!!
Thank you for this, I took the test not thinking I would get self-conscious about it but of course I did and this really helped me feel better about my results thank you so much I hope you have a good day
I scored high neuroticism, 76, and low in conscientiousness, 5, but high in Openness, 87. At times I've felt misunderstood in life. I've always felt like I lacked common sense in certain social situations. Your advice of giving oneself permission to doubt your negative emotions is gold. Thank you.
I just did Peterson's personality test and I'm 6th percentile in agreeableness, 13th in Conscientiousness, 95th in neuroticism. And I really hear you there. It's sometimes difficult to handle emotions and everything. Despite that I think I'm not unsuccessful (I'm in the top 1%, net worth-wise). So here's hoping, only one needs to work hard on the downsides. You're definitely not predestined to be a loser.
@@Ivan-vw1bw honestly I look way smarter than I really am ;-) When I was a kid I had an official test saying 140, at 16 I had another saying 122. So I think I'm hovering around 120, but that's about it. And behind my net worth it's mostly luck (I invested in the right things, like the real estates), for that you don't need a high IQ, only enough disposable income.
@@Lucy-Luc-Lu-L Well, I sure hope I get lucky too, because I certainly don't see any other way for someone with a profile like mine to ever have financial freedom, let alone a decent job. My IQ is below 90, and I'm 1st-10th percentile in every personality trait BUT nueoriticm, lol. What an amazing profile, right?
Same 2 in conscientious and 97 in neuroticism... How's your life going?.. Is it really that bad ..or u happy....in my case i do u get hopless often in times of challenges and take wrong decesions and regret after that and I'm often indecisive because of perfectionism
The points you make here are insightful and legitimately helpful. Thank you, and I think that in general, the attitude you bring in this video is the best way to counteract the negative potentialities in our personality type. Being honest, letting go, willing yourself on your own terms. Good stuff
This was a nice video. I scored 2 in conscientious (0 in industriousness 🥺) and 95 in neuroticism! My poor husband! All along I’ve been thinking he’s the problem 🤣🤣🤣. This was a good perspective shifter. Thank you 🙏🏽
Same 2 in conscientious and 97 in neuroticism... How's your life going?.. Is it really that bad do u get hopless often in times of challenges and take wrong decesions and regret after that are often indecisive because of perfectionism
i too scored very high in neuroticism and low in conscientiousness and scheduling boxing helped me too. my problem lies with the jack of all trades thing...i dont know specifically what i want because sometimes my actions dont prove to me what it is. its not so easy. all i know is that it has to do with self expression...the more i repress or hold back, the more it started to leak thru the seams and start to damage things and it even starting leaking thru the way i interact with people and its ugly. but i have an idea for myself and i hope it works but i need to find a way to set it up.
I consider myself as over 95 percentile in neuroticium over 99 percentile in openness and around 10 to 15 percentile Contiountiousness,I m a underachiever now I suffer from depression😢, (High agreeable and moderate extrovert)
I have the same traits as you, and are struggling a bit to find that balance. It's like having a speed throttle that you don't control. I found your tips helpful. Thanks!
Woow! Thank you so much for this commentary on JBP personality test. I had very similar score and your intuitions are very helpful! Especially I liked the metaphor about colors that we have to paint 🎨
I rarely ever comment on any videos...in fact I think I’ve only done it once in my life, but this was incredibly helpful and reassuring. I just wanted to send some of gratitude your way. P.S. I’m also a big fan of Dr. Peterson and I’ve noticed you picked up some of his mannerisms :P
The problem is that my neurotic risk-aversion nullifies any benefit from my low conscientiousness. I’m lazy, unstructured and constantly worry that if I push myself out of my comfort zone, bad things might happen to me.
Thanks for this. By the way, you really come across like Peterson at times. Like with him, one can tell you are really thinking about what you are saying.
I'm suspicious that my results are very much temporary. I've also scored high in neurotisism, low in conscientiousness BUT also low in intellect/average in openness. I don't think I am, or if I am I'm very confused on how I've decided to pursue a career in physics if I have no real interest in it.. Is it possible that these qualities can clam down on openness? Because I really do remember loving ideas and concepts, but now I struggle to get the motivation to do anything requiring intense thought. It feels like a part of my brain is injured and I don't know how to fix it. Reflecting on my studies I think I've been motivated by fear and just laziness to veer from my path, granted; studying physics is hard. But changing from what I was/am doing seems impossible. However I can't see any other real alternative career pathway. I'm so passive with most things, even if I did change careers; there's nothing I'm more or less interested in. I'm uber flexible but can't really feel enthusiasm towards anything other than doing nothing for long periods of time. :/
jordan pet said iq is not correlated with openness or intellect. iq is just the speed and the fps on the screen. you might have a high iq and a low intellect ( dont get offended lol ) im seeing you're also low in enthusiasm which i have no idea what to do so... good luck.... with physics? dude that stuff is so boring lmao but if u like it more power to you. peace.
Being high in neuroticism and low in consciousness, it feels good be here in this comments section with my kindred spirits. Being high in openness, high in extroversion and low in agreeableness I would like to formally invite all of you to my house to find innovative - and above all easy - ways to destroy people with low neuroticism and high conscientiousness.
Thank you sooo much for this. I just learned I’m 94 in neuroticism, 87 in openness, 77 in agreeableness..... and 44 in Conscientious. I haven’t seen many with this scoring. Any insight?
i haven't taken the test but i suspect i would score similarly, im probably even higher in agreeableness and lower in conscientiousness though. i love cats and animals, hate work, do everything to smooth over issues with friends or my girlfriend if a conflict arises. one insight that i have in my limited knowledge is that, if you're high in neuroticism and agreeableness, stay away from alcohol, heroin, cocaine, etc. because anything that causes an endorphin rush like this is mimicking the security and warmth of mother-child bonding during which endorphins are released in both mother and child (im mostly getting this from Dr. Gabor Mate). I think that part of what makes agreeable people identifiable is their tendency towards intimacy and loyalty and these behaviors are essentially seeking the lost security and love once felt with the mother. when you combine this yearning with a high stress/anxiety sensitivity (neuroticism) you get a very strong proclivity for alcoholism or drug dependency. So don't even dip your toe into that stuff if you know what's good for you.
I took the test last week: Agreeableness 93 Conscientiousness 5 Extraversion 9 Neuroticism 95 Openness to Experience 20 what I can tell you is that I'm constantly stuck in a no end road; can't really decide where my life is going and can't have the skill to improve but I still going toward fighting everyday to avoid depression; on the bright side everything I earn is a direct correlation about my skill at work because I'm the worst advertiser of myself; I work in the IT department but in a safe space I can't go up and I can't go down because there is no hierarchy
I think that this is a major effect of our western society's tilt towards individualism and particularly the prevailing gig economy and internalising of capitalism. As a crude example imagine two people at opposite extremes in each personality trait - between them they have literally EVERYTHING covered and have the potential to deal effectively with all different types of environment and situation. Now imagine one person who is in the 50th percentile of every personality trait. They can neither take full advantage of every opportunity OR fully respond to every problem. The plus side is that if you are completely alone in your endeavours you will be MODERATELY able deal with everything.
Same. The only reason why my conscientiousness is not extremely low is because I scored very high on cautiousness because I worry too god-damn much all the time
too new agey. high neuroticism is objectively bad. don't lie to yourself and others. do as much as you can to lower it but don't tell people it's not bad. it leads to bad life outcomes on pretty much every measure.
It’s actually a very strong predictor for lower success at school/work/relationships. Low neuroticism is the strongest predictor for a successful and happy relationship, whereas high neuroticism is the best predictor for a failed relationship.
Pretty interesting that both the examples that you gave at 4:48 I experience all the time hahah. I'm 97th percentile in Neuroticism and that kind of thinking is so common for me, even if I try to convince myself that it's not true
Hey man. Great video, thanks for the content. As you can see you’ve helped lots of people. One request: do you have any material you could share about this subject. (I’m high in neuroticism and moderates low on agreeableness).
But I'm high in openess as well along with high neuroticism and low conscietiousness... That's actual threat to life..that's a recipe to death war and a pain -Jordan Peterson
A fellow neurotic with the flowery language. Guessing high in openness too? :) To answer the question, I don't deal with it, I just l live in perpetual existential crisis.
I was really needing to hear this. Thank you. Jordan Peterson's lessons mixed with some of Dr. Joe Dispenza's really helps. What are your thoughts on Dr. Dispenza?
Really great video, i scored the same, love the paint a picture you would want to look at analogy, going to remind myself to watch this video to remember the hopeful things you said and to give me a sense of peace and happiness/contentment. Thank you.
What bothers me in this test its that we have many subpersonalitys.. Its neurocism your primal personality or did you learned through the years? Like if you are surrounded all of your life with consciousness people,ofcourse you will be consciousness becose you dont know that something else even exists.
Yea the nature vs nurture aspects are hard to disentangle. That said, take the test with a grain of salt, integrate whatever seems useful, and discard the rest. The issue most people have is they think the test says something about their personhood, and then they feel shame.
ENTP or ENFP Personality type? A word of encouragement, but when you take a highly creative, intelligent person and they train themselves to be conscientious, they become absolute powerhouses.
Hey bro, I totally think your are emulating JP, even your choice of words ;) "so it's like" I don't think thats a coincidence. Please accept this comment as compliment. I look up to him too and try to embody traits that I think will help me grow.
