Horde Heroes VS Alliance Army - Warcraft 2 FIGHT CLUB 

Is there anywhere in wow draenor that resembles WC2 with all the brown mushrooms and green water ?

Pretty much none. Because the entire landscape design of WoW Outland & Draenor are completely retcons. The only thing about WoW design that is somewhat same to WC2 Draenor & WC3 Outland is Hellfire Peninsula, and even then lacked the mushroom trees because the designers move it all to Zangarmarsh. Which would only be further retcon again in WoD Draenor when it was shown that the mushroom trees were under the sea.

@@justinedc1077 Totally disappointed...We never got ogres as a playable race as well. I hope it would get better now that Chris Metzen is back at Blizzard

@@geminiblue6677 sorry bud, we aint in the same page in that regard. Im not a fan of WoW, and I utterly hate its lore beyond reasons. Mostly about WoW lore is disappointment, awful writing, and retcons, especially about lore, and Im not just talking about modern WoW, im talking about the whole thing from the start since Vanilla. Having Metzen back wont fix anything in it. Come to think of it, Metzen also made some poor story decisions in it most especially like bullshit WoD alternate timeline time travel, retconning the concept of the LK in Wrath, and pretty much everything about Burning Crusade just to name a few.

They should have at least had it make the user take double damage or lose a substantial part of its life kind of like stim in starcraft.

You are all not considering terrain. 100 ogre magi with blood lust mean nothing if they can attack one at a time, but healing still works

@@Aerxis Yeah man decades of pro players playing mainly Orc were just not using terrain or healing right.

@@Aerxis Oh believe me, I consider healing to be a ranged spell, and I consider ogres still winning over paladins 1 to 2, another reason to consider bloodlust being ridicuslously overpowered.

@@nelsonhill4625 that's just because the battlenet maps were crap. Healing spell is stronger if the terrain is more obstructive, like in some of the single player missions.

The big chunk of ogres trapped inside a circle of catapults was helpful too.

And most catapults just sitting around being useless.

@@astovar23 I think that was true of many of tge archers as well

Yeah I predicted this one right just cause of all the mages and I know from previous videos the AI is good with it. Hell of an orc horde though so wasn't too sure tbh.

Also Air units in WC2 have splash damage and will hurt their own guys.

Wasn't it: "rush blindly towards their doom..."

@@Aerxis su nerd

And easier to use.

Sort of a surprise for me. I've always considered healing vastly superior to bloodlust

Thats why there was never a huge completive play because it was just Orc vs Orc

It has always been way superior. Insanely OP. But if this was to be a perfect match, then the Paladins at the front would not heal, just get healed by the others.

@@IgorBezugliy newb

I was suprised the deathknights didnt start attacking till they got hit. however if they were able to cast raise dead during the fight they might have won.

now that you mention it; i think that's why Exorcism even exists is to just say "No" to any DK around.

Can't use raise dead if a unit is blocking the spot, unfortunately. You even use up the mana for the spell but don't get a skelly.

wouldn't change much, skelies are very weak. as soon as I realized they are not going to cast death and decay it was very predictable.

I don't know, it all depends on the use case. For example 2 paladins vs 2 ogre magi, if one party uses blood lust, the other one could just run away for a while, then fight

Also, healing is a "permanent buff". If you heal, then wait 5 minutes, then heal again, it does a lot more than blood lusting, waiting and doing it again

@@Aerxis lmao

@@Aerxis You seem to like to argue exceptions. Heal is great for the campaign mode, Bloodlust is better in PvP. Most players agree that Horde > Alliance on land, while Alliance > Horde at sea, due to invisibility cast on ships. Now, the problem is that while mages > dks due to polymorph, the ogre magi are more cost effective and easier to mass earlier so most PvP never develops to mages, dks, gryphons and dragons etc. Alliance upgrades are also gold intensive so that competes with mage production.

@@eben3357 I agree with everything you said. Somewhere else I mentioned the maps have a lot to do with bloodlust being overpowered. It is not as OP on archipelagos and land maps with lots of choke points.

Thanks!

True hero

Everyone talking about how OP lust is, noone talks about how BAD skeletons are. 😁

I think the catapults just have a very long time between shots. But yeah, the AI can sometimes be wonky in this very old game!

The AI derps a lot in this game sadly.

Yeah from seeing that, not many grunts were slain by the skeletons so it wouldn’t have made much of a difference. I thought initially the skeletons were going to win, as I recall them being stronger with more damage then that…

Formation is such an important factor.

yep, the ToD ones (Gul'dan, Zul'jin, Cho'gall) don't have custom voicelines - I took them from Hearthstone ;)

@@StuGames What was the original voice line base for Gul'dan? Was it just the orc voice?

@@boomboy8104 I suppose Death Knight quotes. You don't control it in the Horde campaign though; you must kill him along with Cho'gall at the Tomb of Sargeras.

@@exe2517 you also get Cho'Gall in one of the earlier Orc missions and he's just a beefier ogre mage with no special voices, same with Uther in the Human mission where you have to bring him across a naval blockade. I guess Blizzard didn't think about custom hero voices until BtDP

From what I recall, Haste does not change attack rate, just movement speed. The only ones that benefit from Haste with anything other than movement speed are Peons and Peasants while chopping wood.

I'm using mods and a lot of trickery to make these videos work!

The Alliance heroes are worse so I had to give them an advantage. 😎 They also had to fight a lot more enemies though.

That's just WC2 AI in a nutshell. Ranged units will always attack from max range and once they start attacking they will not move unless their target tries to run away.

@@smward87 right, so what I mean to suggest (and I now realize I didn't actually say) is to micro the berserkers in closer so more of them can attack.

many balistas were idle too though who wouldve gotten a shot off if the trolls wouldve come closer. i guess its a scale question