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Horizon Forbidden West PS5 Patch 1.16: 60FPS Performance Mode Finally Fixed! 

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When Horizon Forbidden West launched, we recommended playing with the 30fps quality mode - because the 60fps mode's 3200x1800 checkerboard solution didn't quite work. However, Guerrilla Games' latest patch is a game-changer. It's still 1800p checkerboard, but the developers have massively revamped the anti-aliasing solution, removing the shimmer and vastly improving image quality. So which way should you play the game now - 30fps 4K or 60fps checkerboard? John Linneman gives us his thoughts!
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@notRuskia
@notRuskia 2 года назад
This has been some great post-launch support. They've earned a reputation of not abandoning issues, just like with Zero Dawn.
@stealthmaster6472
@stealthmaster6472 2 года назад
Remind me which game launched this year without issues, not defending this game btw I genuinely want to know.
@DBTHEPLUG
@DBTHEPLUG 2 года назад
@JC Denton That's very hard to pull off.
@idglet9565
@idglet9565 2 года назад
@JC Denton Them and every developer since the beginning of time.
@remowind1578
@remowind1578 2 года назад
@JC Denton you call Elden Ring a game without issues? It was fucking broken on PC with drops to 10fps on 3090 every minute or two. Geez.
@DBTHEPLUG
@DBTHEPLUG 2 года назад
@JC Denton So all the games you mentioned never had any post launch updates except for DLC? Since they launched in a perfect state.
@helios123
@helios123 2 года назад
It's amazing how improving the fine detailed foliage etc just straight up makes the image look like it got a massive resolution boost.
@kevinjohnanand
@kevinjohnanand 2 года назад
@@ramonandrajo6348 Lmfao everyone who uses the word "woke" is a loser.
@hrywlms
@hrywlms 2 года назад
@Bam OuttaDaBayou play something else then u fool
@-aexc-
@-aexc- 2 года назад
y'all complaining about "wokeness" is so fuckign funny lmao
@GameslordXY
@GameslordXY 2 года назад
@Bam OuttaDaBayou Story,I can understand you aren't a fan of,but gameplay? What's wrong with the gameplay?
@GameslordXY
@GameslordXY 2 года назад
@@hrywlms Hey he isn't a fool because he doesn't like it. Though I would prefer more arguments.
@eruannster
@eruannster 2 года назад
This is such an interesting video, and I really appreciate this sort of content from Digital Foundry. As a player, I never really get to know the specific nitty-gritty details like these from patch notes and such. To me it's just "game looks better", but not "how we made it look better". It's so cool and so interesting to get an explanation like this (with comments from the game developer themselves!) to actually tell us how these improvements were made. I would also like to echo DF's credit to Guerrilla for putting in the work and making such a huge improvement to the image quality. I had honestly given up that they were going to fix it, and then they just knocked it out of the park with this update. A huge "wow!" and a big thank you to all the people at Guerrilla for making the changes in this patch. I'm on my New Game+ playthrough now and it looks and runs INCREDIBLE. This is the kind of support I love to see from my favorite game developers! :)
@Battleneter
@Battleneter 2 года назад
Most people played through this once or twice years ago and haven't touched since, time better spent elsewhere imho.
@theorangecandle
@theorangecandle 2 года назад
Horizon got benched as soon as elden ring came out. How people still praise this generic open world slog fest for anything but it's graphics is beyond me.
@D71219ONE
@D71219ONE 2 года назад
@@Battleneter The game released 4 months ago. I haven’t even played it yet.
@jamezxh
@jamezxh 2 года назад
@@D71219ONE I'm about 1hr into the first game and lost interest . These open world berry collecting quest games shit me to tears . To boring
@TheFunGun5
@TheFunGun5 2 года назад
@@ramonandrajo6348 Touch grass.
@reganmccarthy8409
@reganmccarthy8409 2 года назад
I decided to give the performance mode a go after the patch and my mind has been officially blow. The performance mode looks basically on par with the resolution mode it's hard to tell the difference but the 60FPS feels sooo good. Amazing they managed to get the game to look this good and play as well as it does it's actually incredible. Well done Guerilla!
@madstones1
@madstones1 2 года назад
Looks like the only difference between the modes are cube map reflection resolution, but it's not even that much of a drop. its fantastic looking still.
@deathdoor
@deathdoor 2 года назад
There are plenty of games that receive a lot of support post launch, but few studios are like Guerrilla and put extra effort in using this support to improve the game.
@e.777.r2
@e.777.r2 2 года назад
@@ramonandrajo6348 Woke ? Wtf are you talking about
@TruTrae
@TruTrae 2 года назад
@@e.777.r2 he thinks that minorities being prevalent in a game makes it woke.
@mikew1080
@mikew1080 2 года назад
@@e.777.r2 he's afraid of anyone with complexion darker than his own and hates it when there happens to be a LGBTQ+ character in a game. He spams all over RU-vid, he's safe to ignore. Don't feed the bigot, he doesn't deserve the time.
@jackreeves7
@jackreeves7 2 года назад
@@ramonandrajo6348 horizon is not woke at all what are you falling about
@thespeedtapper4
@thespeedtapper4 2 года назад
@@ramonandrajo6348 You can't just say it's woke without any evidence. By doing that you essentially make yourself look like an anti LGBTQ asshole.
@Aaantoni_
@Aaantoni_ 2 года назад
Excellent, fascinating video. Great to hear what exactly has changed over the past six months directly from the developers.
@Reydriel
@Reydriel 2 года назад
@@ramonandrajo6348 Wtf does that even mean
@vincentkentermusic
@vincentkentermusic 2 года назад
@@ramonandrajo6348 You sound like one of those conspiracy nut cases.
@Reydriel
@Reydriel 2 года назад
@@ramonandrajo6348 Why don't you actually try to explain what exactly the "agenda" and "The Message" is. Literally just sounds like some dumb conspiracy shit. Explain in detail.
@kostasbousbouras2654
@kostasbousbouras2654 2 года назад
@@ramonandrajo6348 You definitely are not. You are in a deep sleep.
@fall-neckthetallneck2977
@fall-neckthetallneck2977 2 года назад
It's really been six months already. God time flies when you're having fun.
@renatoszfr
@renatoszfr 2 года назад
I have a lot of dizzines trouble playing on 30 fps, but playing Ratchet on 40 FPS was fine, and the graphics were much better than 60 fps. Gonna wait to try out NG+ Horizon on 40 FPS
@gavinderulo12
@gavinderulo12 2 года назад
If you have vrr then ratchet and clank actually averages at around 50-55 fps, sometimes even hitting 60fps in fidelity mode. I'm excited to see how much headroom there is in forbidden west.
@renatoszfr
@renatoszfr 2 года назад
@@gavinderulo12 yeah, I played Ratchet before the VRR update. Curious about that as well!
@deagle7602
@deagle7602 2 года назад
@@ShutterManAce most movies look fine at 24fps, and many would agree that it’s the best. And after this new console generation launched, I would have to agree with you that it’s hard to go back to playing games at 30fps.
@lolcat
@lolcat 2 года назад
40fps is just so much better than 30. even the steam deck now has a 40hz toggle as the 30fps limiter introduced heavy input delay
@CafeMich
@CafeMich 2 года назад
Hmm I guess not everyone has the same experience playing games in 30fps. I thought it was fine for me, but I will definitely replay the game on NG+ when the 40fps update drops
@Collected1
@Collected1 2 года назад
Bravo Guerrilla Games. Bravo. Outstanding job. And thank you DF for allowing us to appreciate just how much work went into this patch.
@poluticon
@poluticon 2 года назад
it's so funny to me how we've come to a point where we're praising developers for doing something that they're supposed to do. They launched this game with obvious issues and now we're giving them kudos for fixing those issues four months later. It's just fascinating to me how we just accept games being launched in such a unacceptable state, it's just normal for us now.
@chadmann132
@chadmann132 2 года назад
Yes, thank you Gurerrilla for fixing your broken game you chose to launch and took 4 months to fix.
@iDontUploadiJustSub
@iDontUploadiJustSub 2 года назад
@@chadmann132 Dont blame Guerilla Games man, blame capitalism. The devs dont get a choice at a certain point once them shareholders are on your head.
@chadmann132
@chadmann132 2 года назад
@@iDontUploadiJustSub somehow I have my doubts, many games get delayed, and guerilla isn't some new dev who needs to prove themselves, they've been around the block.
@PanPrezeso
@PanPrezeso 2 года назад
@@chadmann132 forbidden west was in development for over 5 years, imo that's very long and it was probably an ultra expensive project. Still good that they fixed it obviously
@mrbobo86
@mrbobo86 2 года назад
It's pretty amazing to see a developer listen and take feedback to heart.... Guerilla has been fulfilling even some of the most mundane of community requests.
@iamthechessmaster
@iamthechessmaster 2 года назад
@@ramonandrajo6348 lg tv representation on it?
@iamthechessmaster
@iamthechessmaster 2 года назад
@@ramonandrajo6348 what's the message? Haven't played it yet
@basedplants
@basedplants 2 года назад
@@ramonandrajo6348 incels crying about wokeness over and over again is my kink.
@DEVILTAZ35
@DEVILTAZ35 2 года назад
All they need to do now is start making games again that aren't sleep inducing. Seriously this game is so repetitive it feels more like an Ubisoft open world.
@B_Clemethy
@B_Clemethy 2 года назад
This game is ridiculously gorgeous on PS5 on an OLED 😍 Great video
@xtechtips152
@xtechtips152 2 года назад
@@ramonandrajo6348 too woke Go woke go broke.. eventually.
@leoalex2001
@leoalex2001 2 года назад
@@ramonandrajo6348 go woke or go broke guys,
@MisterReen
@MisterReen 2 года назад
There is nothing woke in this game. It’s a fantastic game.
@DT1878
@DT1878 2 года назад
Agreed it looks unbelievably good
@normalperson696
@normalperson696 2 года назад
@@xtechtips152 Its not woke
@razor19906
@razor19906 2 года назад
the original unpatched resolution mode looked way better and sharper
@Imadeyourun
@Imadeyourun 2 года назад
The game that Elden Ring made everyone forget about.
@ADominacja
@ADominacja 2 года назад
I just started playing and I was wondering how I wasn't really seeing any graphical issues in the performance mode, turns out I was playing the fixed version from the start. Game is absolutely gorgeous and works fantastically.
@ExpanderDJ
@ExpanderDJ 2 года назад
Man, imagine if every developer put so much care and attention into the development and support of their games. The gaming landscape would be such a better place.
@JoNaXKaY
@JoNaXKaY 2 года назад
It's called not releasing a broken game. But this "journalist" loves to sugarcoat ps bullcrap.
@deltavictorbravo-7428
@deltavictorbravo-7428 2 года назад
@@JoNaXKaY same way you like to over exaggerate PS game issues, huh fanboy, "broken" lmao
@arbernuka3679
@arbernuka3679 2 года назад
@@deltavictorbravo-7428 xboxs dont even have games..i bet they would love to have some games to play even BROKEN ones would be fine for them shesh
@duncanself5111
@duncanself5111 2 года назад
@@JoNaXKaY Bethesda is Infamous for always releasing actual "broken" games and they're so incompetent it's usually up to members of the public to fix their games with mods 😬
@duncanself5111
@duncanself5111 2 года назад
@@JoNaXKaY they work hard at keeping the Bethesda store updated with all the latest rip off micro transactions though 👌
@zachw6754
@zachw6754 2 года назад
They did a great job here. I was very upset with how it looked on launch. It looked extremely low in resolution. This now looks like quality mode but in 60fps.
@hydratic7509
@hydratic7509 2 года назад
Launch was rough. It looked worse than HZD running at 60fps on PS5
@MajesticFerret
@MajesticFerret 2 года назад
@@hydratic7509 nah, you could argue better image quality maybe (on PS5 at least), but areas like San Fran, red wood forest, and the swamp/jungle areas were just far more impressive than anything in HZD regardless of watered down picture quality.
@tldrMac
@tldrMac 2 года назад
@@ramonandrajo6348 Get lost man.
@fall-neckthetallneck2977
@fall-neckthetallneck2977 2 года назад
@@ramonandrajo6348 if it's not worth it, then why are you even here? Nobody wants to hear about you being upset. Lol
@fatboyRAY24
@fatboyRAY24 2 года назад
​@@ramonandrajo6348 Stop spamming the comments like a lunatic.
@MsUltraBob
@MsUltraBob 2 года назад
Performance mode looks absolutely beautiful after the latest patch. I was playing since launch on resolution mode because it looked much better than performance to me. But now I can finally play it on performance it looks as great as resolution mode now.
@lewishague123
@lewishague123 2 года назад
I’ve been playing on resolution mode since launch too, something I never do (I hate 30fps after trying out 60). I’m still switching between the two modes even now, I can’t tell which one I prefer
@thealien_ali3382
@thealien_ali3382 2 года назад
@@lewishague123 before the update when I played the game the game looked blurry and the environment felt smudged, now its way more crisper and cleaner, before I could tell the difference between performance and resolution mode after the update I can't. And 60fps looks beautiful
@D-NastyNoise
@D-NastyNoise Год назад
I just started this game last night and was constantly changing the 2 modes and honestly could not tell the difference. The performance mode looks like native 4k @60. No game on PS5 should be running anything less. The power is there. This is a massive open world too.
@4UDIOTAPE
@4UDIOTAPE 2 года назад
These are the kinds of videos I just love getting notified about. Always appreciate your work, and the Horizon games are especially close to my heart when it comes to beauty and performance. I'm one of the lucky ones who isn't very far into the games yet, so this update makes me extremely happy!
@th0r0shvener52
@th0r0shvener52 2 года назад
I wish I waited before (almost) 100%ing the game. I played most of the game with the previous performance mode. It was still a great time though, my only advice is take it slow and gather tons of materials since upgrades can be reaaaally costly
@Daniel-Gomez-M
@Daniel-Gomez-M 2 года назад
Me too, now that all the noise is gone it's time to play.
@jasperpaans
@jasperpaans 2 года назад
I’m right there with you man, got almost the entire game tomexplore simce I stopped olaying when the visual noise became too bad! Can’t wait!
@nlikeflynn8837
@nlikeflynn8837 2 года назад
I never really had any major issues with my play through but I'm glad to see new players can play with this enhanced patch. Thank you DF! I'll enjoy this when I do my Ultra Hard play through.
@ct-gv6yl
@ct-gv6yl 2 года назад
@@ramonandrajo6348 Don't be an overdramatic snowflake. Are you really scared of "woke" games?
@chrisredfield9310
@chrisredfield9310 2 года назад
@@ct-gv6yl gaystation 5
@jspantonio8807
@jspantonio8807 2 года назад
@@ramonandrajo6348 wdym woke
@mysticalos
@mysticalos 2 года назад
I look forward to trying 40hz mode. I've learned that when playing on 120hz tvs or monitors, 40fps modes are actually not bad at all. 30 does feel too slow for me, but 40 is enough to give more illusion of smoothness that 60 brings, but more flexibility to dial graphics up further.....It's why i also truly appreciate what steam deck has done with their variable refresh rate update for doing same there as well and using 40 or 50hz mode instead of 60..
@pogtuber5146
@pogtuber5146 2 года назад
Now that 40hz mode is out I'm not so sure it's much better. It feels slightly more responsive but the framerate is still pretty low.
@jackakascko
@jackakascko 2 года назад
I came back after 1.16 and its like night and day.. Now it really feels like next-gen
@VtTraves
@VtTraves 2 года назад
Love Guerrilla games, they always follow through and take the use feedback to heart. Love the studio, even for Horizon zero dawn for PC, they keep updating game even after a year. Which shows the best practices for a long running studio which fans and user relay on.
@east00
@east00 2 года назад
Sony wasn't lying when they said they didn't allow GG to crunch. That's why there us still a few bug issues. Still a great game and the best out currently.
@mrbobo86
@mrbobo86 2 года назад
I can accept the bugs and glitches as almost none of them were really game breaking. People forget that the game was developed with 2 years during the height of the pandemic.
@unknownbytes2874
@unknownbytes2874 2 года назад
I congratulate guerilla for looking into these issues and fixing them. There are many devs that just let them go after the initial buzz
@richardtucker5938
@richardtucker5938 2 года назад
Indeed... What a shame.
@R3TR0J4N
@R3TR0J4N 2 года назад
other studios fix issues day one or a week later patches tho
@PanPrezeso
@PanPrezeso 2 года назад
@@R3TR0J4N they dont
@syphonunfiltered
@syphonunfiltered 2 года назад
Elden Ring is abandonware at this point
@manudosde
@manudosde 2 года назад
Fantastic work by Guerrilla and awesome analysis by John. I'm glad I decided to put down the game a few hours into it, instead of returning it. Starting it over has been a much better experience this time around.
@Fendera1
@Fendera1 2 года назад
Same, I was waiting for this kind of improvements before I dive into the game.
@jackakascko
@jackakascko 2 года назад
Same here, had trust a patch will come that will solve the problems on performance mode and damn, they delivered. Feels like true next-gen now
@Pullmanfan7
@Pullmanfan7 2 года назад
Performance mode does look SO much better now, I used to only use it for combat but now I use it most of the time. Fantastic work by Guerrila!
@maineman5757
@maineman5757 2 года назад
I appreciate how well this game runs and how stunning it looks. Breathtaking!
@christopherchann7255
@christopherchann7255 2 года назад
1.16 basically a gamechanger,especially on big screen, i can finally continue this game and waiting VRR the same time.
@AndyGilleand
@AndyGilleand 2 года назад
They were never using just one frame from history to generate their reprojected image. In my captured footage from about a month after launch, I was able to recognize ghosting artifacts persisting for 8 frames. Which makes sense. With checkerboard, if you only use the previous frame, you have essentially no AA at all. With checkerboard, each frame renders half the pixels, so two frames gives you full native resolution, but no AA. AA requires reprojection from earlier frames that rendered the same pixels you're currently rendering. So for checkerboard, the bare minimum you need to achieve temporal AA is the current frame plus the last 3 frames. This gives you the look of 2xAA. If you include reprojection from 8 frames total, that gives you the look of 4xAA, which is much more reasonable for TAA.
@AndyGilleand
@AndyGilleand 2 года назад
Also, a LOT of your issues with the unpatched version were fixed in the day one update. Would have been better to compare the existing patch with the new patch instead of reverting to a version most people never played.
@Takemura76
@Takemura76 2 года назад
One of the most beautiful games ever made. Now if only they could patch Aloy’s personality.
@fall-neckthetallneck2977
@fall-neckthetallneck2977 2 года назад
I think her personality is good. Being outcast at birth she grew up to be a strong, independent woman with a go getter attitude. She doesn't care to be held up and praised, but is very focused on what's important to her, saving the world.
@seanw1783
@seanw1783 2 года назад
@@fall-neckthetallneck2977 I like Horizon, but Aloy's got as much personality as a piece of toast.
@LOLMAN22
@LOLMAN22 2 года назад
I was blown away by how clean it looked. Nice job GG
@panagiotispapoulias3810
@panagiotispapoulias3810 2 года назад
These kind of videos are the very essence of Digital Foundry. Kudos to DF and Guerrilla for their amazing game
@jayg339
@jayg339 2 года назад
Wow that is a pretty significant improvement. They did an excellent job with fixing that shimmer(which, if we are all honest, was pretty rough).
@chashint1
@chashint1 2 года назад
Thanks for the video, great job going over the patch. This game has been on my list to play since it was announced, but as always with games it pays to be patient. After the initial wave of fabulous reviews that never mentioned anything about this shimmering issue, the community at large immediately complained about it. As you said, it’s really too bad it was released in original configuration. It is impossible for this to be unnoticed by the studio. If the disc goes on sale for Christmas I may buy it then, or I may wait until next year.
@MisterReen
@MisterReen 2 года назад
Performance mode looks so good now. Many thanks for the video and all the details. Very interesting and highly appreciated. The game is now the ps5 showcase in 60 fps I was looking for. Really looking forward now to the VRR patch.
@mangasaint
@mangasaint 2 года назад
Some tech person reviewing the update (I don’t remember which) said a game running this smoothly doesn’t really need Vrr support. That doesn’t mean it won’t get it.
@mangasaint
@mangasaint 2 года назад
I just made it to the point of the video that Vrr is going to be happening lol.
@MisterReen
@MisterReen 2 года назад
@@mangasaint it’s true. VRR is not needed here but I’m curious how much headroom the game has on the ps5. Just imagine similar results like on the insomniac games. Horizon 2 with this fidelity running above 60 fps would be stunning. Or the 4K mode running above 40 fps. I’m thrilled to see that. Furthermore Guerilla could increased the LoD in distance because minor fps drops wouldn’t be noticeable anymore.
@iconoclasttastic9258
@iconoclasttastic9258 2 года назад
Nice! I'll hang on and wait for the 40hz mode. Very interested to see how well that works.
@itsTyrion
@itsTyrion 2 года назад
@@ramonandrajo6348 ??
@HCIbn
@HCIbn 2 года назад
I’m waiting too not gonna rush and drop $70 again.
@HCIbn
@HCIbn 2 года назад
What is woke?
@brendanconaway
@brendanconaway 2 года назад
@@ramonandrajo6348 you're embarassing hopping into people's comments - go play some other game child
@phillydavison
@phillydavison 2 года назад
@@ramonandrajo6348 good god do you people ever stop, please do shut up.
@limpis2823
@limpis2823 2 года назад
And people tried to tell me that their version was perfect and that the shimmering didn't exist...
@pvtcmyers87
@pvtcmyers87 2 года назад
I’m am so excited for the 40hz mode and for VRR support!
@MisterReen
@MisterReen 2 года назад
Hopefully it won’t take that long until release :)
@fernando_alfradique
@fernando_alfradique 2 года назад
Props to Guerrilla for doing the impossible! HFW feels amazing now in performance mode. Easily the best-looking game of all time. Thank you! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@MisterReen
@MisterReen 2 года назад
It really is. One of the most beautiful games of all time. Congrats and that even with a cross gen title.
@gtibro6799
@gtibro6799 2 года назад
Lmao 🤣 🤣
@1AJBOOMER
@1AJBOOMER 2 года назад
Facts 💯👌🏽
@MiguelRodriguez-lp9et
@MiguelRodriguez-lp9et 2 года назад
Careful now calling a game the best looking is extremely triggering to fanboys, especially if it's an exclusive.
@Daniel-yz3zf
@Daniel-yz3zf 2 года назад
I have to say it's one of the most impressive looking games I've ever seen
@Rick_Ibbott
@Rick_Ibbott 2 года назад
I stopped playing early on due to the shimmer, it really did my head in. I've just recently started it again and I'm happy with the changes, I think I can now see this through to the end eventually. All the things you can adjust with the UI is also welcome. Good job Guerilla.
@realgamer9413
@realgamer9413 2 года назад
Platinum'd the game and the shimmer never even bothered me!
@TekkitForTheFunOfIt
@TekkitForTheFunOfIt 2 года назад
@@realgamer9413 It made me stop playing within the first hour, however i will give the game another try now that it has been fixed
@thealien_ali3382
@thealien_ali3382 2 года назад
Same I stopped playing after the game looked blurry and smudged I was like wtf and now it looks so beautiful and crisp
@Carnageoutput
@Carnageoutput 2 года назад
I noticed how good performance mode looked immediately after the patch install. Super happy with the support and loving my time with the game.
@Darth_Zabrak
@Darth_Zabrak 2 года назад
What Guerrilla have done here is simply incredible, they deserve all the praise they can get
@freshnesbro3792
@freshnesbro3792 2 года назад
They dont deserve shit, the problem's should have never been there ,there a triple A studio with sonys money , its crazy that they couldnt port a ps4 game with 4k 60 fps and 120fps for 1080p .
@Darth_Zabrak
@Darth_Zabrak 2 года назад
@@freshnesbro3792 seems like you don't quite understand how game development works
@freshnesbro3792
@freshnesbro3792 2 года назад
@@Darth_Zabrak Nah im just a consumer, that uses logic, if i pay for a product i expect it to work properly especially when its been developed for worse hardware.
@Darth_Zabrak
@Darth_Zabrak 2 года назад
@@freshnesbro3792 yep, you certainly dont understand, i am done here, good day sir
@freshnesbro3792
@freshnesbro3792 2 года назад
@@Darth_Zabrak Yeah go cry in a corner, there is a good product and a bad one, hfw was really bad.
@StreetFamzz
@StreetFamzz 2 года назад
Are we all going to ignore how Digital Foundry purposely didn't mention any shimming on performance mode when they did their initial review. Barely any RU-vidr mentioned how bad it really looked except for a few like Gaming Tech
@toma3447
@toma3447 2 года назад
Yea total BS.
@dzikilew8949
@dzikilew8949 2 года назад
yeah like wtf
@thefoxand
@thefoxand 2 года назад
This patch is amazing. Finally I'll be able to play this game after so long. John's analysis is also amazing.
@flubFTW
@flubFTW 2 года назад
Took you guys long enough to finally address this issue. Would've been nice to let us know during your first video during the game's launch. Glad we had some smaller youtubers such as @GamingTech to continuously bring this issue forward and held Guerilla accountable for the disastrous performance mode.
@GamingTech-YouTube
@GamingTech-YouTube 2 года назад
Thanks for mentioning me 😀
@akkibajaj705
@akkibajaj705 2 года назад
It wasn’t disastrous that’s quite dramatic I had no issues playing on performance mode since launch. You guys always try to bash the hard work these devs do
@finkitsallover
@finkitsallover 2 года назад
@@akkibajaj705 wdym you guys?
@bdre5555
@bdre5555 2 года назад
they did a fantastic job on the new patch. The visuals on performance mode or a noticeable Improvement. Still the best-looking game of this console generation, and the best game of the year so far.
@weaverquest
@weaverquest 2 года назад
That explanation of how they changed the way reconstruction worked was so interesting I love that you contacted the developers about this. Also can we say Guerilla have managed come up with a temporal upscaling method rivaling DLSS given how close the image quality of the 60 fps performance mode now to the resolution mode?
@fall-neckthetallneck2977
@fall-neckthetallneck2977 2 года назад
DLSS uses dedicated tensor cores on the gpu for deep learning super sampling. The ps5 doesn't have dedicated hardware for deep learning super sampling. Not sure how they're doing it, but whatever they're doing its amazing. I can't wait to see what they come up with for the 40fps and vrr mode next.
@scarstruck85
@scarstruck85 2 года назад
I have to hand it to Guerilla Games, they really are amazing - especially when it comes to the dedication to optimising and improving their games. I was put of by the shimmering in Forbidden West after watching many videos on the issue but they've clearly fixed it now. They also have done an amazing job with the PC version of Zero Dawn with DLSS and FidelityFX implementations and all round solid performance improvements.
@sev2300
@sev2300 2 года назад
Now the question is John: why didn’t you highlight the issues with the performance mode in your original review? I really need to know why.
@jdrukman
@jdrukman 2 года назад
he definitely did though. he recommended people play resolution mode because of the distracting shimmer in perf mode.
@iceagex
@iceagex 2 года назад
Actually, the best graphics game... for now.
@faktorisator2
@faktorisator2 2 года назад
its clearly visible after the last patch, how much room for emprovement was possible in the performance mode. In my opinion DF completely missed out on positivily influencing the development and pointing out the technical flaws as usual. Would have been nice to see some productive critic on the performance mode in the first tech review instead of being fine with recommending 4k30 (with blackframe incertion) for a high action first party studio game, and talking about a switch in development, we're it comes more and more visible that a performance version seems not feasible any more. I pray and hope they will stick to deliver high performance modes including vrr support and fsr 2.0 in the future. As huge fan, thank you so much guerrilla games for fixing this! Horizon always pushed technical boundaries and the presentation was superb! Until the release of forbidden West. I can finally enjoy the game as I hoped it would have looked out of the box. But better now then never... I am in awe of the lod and the inviroment, nothing has come close to this staggering amount of detail! (which now can even shine in performance mode! )
@fall-neckthetallneck2977
@fall-neckthetallneck2977 2 года назад
Agreed, except I'm not as such a big fan of fsr 2.0. It showed in the God of War video that fsr 2.0 has problems like dithering when Kratos was swinging his are around, or shimmering on Kratos beard. It's descent but it's not great.
@faktorisator2
@faktorisator2 2 года назад
@@fall-neckthetallneck2977 hopefully fsr2.0 will evolve. It's just the first step in the right direction and seems miles better then checkerboard for consoles
@eSKAone-
@eSKAone- 2 года назад
That noise was unacceptable and should have been pointed out much fiercer by Digital Foundry in the first place
@hughr9088
@hughr9088 2 года назад
I completely agree with John that it's so important to applaud the post-launch developer support this game has received, and with even more to come like the 40fps mode. Comparatively FromSoftware has shown no interest in improving the dire performance of Elden Ring. I'll now be purchasing Forbidden West and can't wait to see it in action!
@MisterReen
@MisterReen 2 года назад
Both are fantastic games. You should play Horizon 2, no matter what from Software is doing.
@4UDIOTAPE
@4UDIOTAPE 2 года назад
You almost certainly won't be disappointed. If you haven't, I really suggest playing Zero Dawn first - It's brilliant.
@Klukogan
@Klukogan 2 года назад
@@4UDIOTAPE I agree, plus, there is an automatic patch on PS5 that makes run the game at 60 fps.
@PantsaBear
@PantsaBear 2 года назад
I mean as reasonable as it is to dunk on FromSoftware for the framerate issue of their game, they definitely have continued to support the game after launch. They even added additional NPCs and questlines as well as made many other improvements. Not really fair to say they haven't supported their game, its just not in the way we would probably agree with considering the framerate It genuinely seems like that stable framerate isn't a priority to them, which is definitely strange but Japanese devs don't exactly prioritize game development the same way Western Studios do. Either way though, Elden Ring is definitely still my favorite game released in several years. Definitely would recommend circling back to it when you get the chance after Horizon, as both games do similar things very differently and both are still great
@lewishague123
@lewishague123 2 года назад
Dire performance is a stretch, it runs fine. The only issues I had in 160 hours of gameplay was in Limgrave (occasional frame drops)… the pop in is definitely noticeable but it’s not enough to throw you off
@TheLucasbuck
@TheLucasbuck 2 года назад
The game was clearly rushed out. It was filled with bugs, bad pop in and a dreadful 60fps fidelity mode. I'm glad Guerrilla addressed the issues eventually despite John's recommendation to just play it in 30fps. Coming from someone who consistently praises 60fps and will highlight much less serious issues in other games, I found that analysis video very dubious.
@robinwright531
@robinwright531 2 года назад
We seem to live in a time when it’s best to play a new release a year after it comes out.
@danf9779
@danf9779 Год назад
Yes.
@Scorpwind
@Scorpwind 2 года назад
Nice to see that Gueriila didn't go too overboard with the new TAA and stuck with their 1 sample-frame method along with their custom FXAA pass. Though the intense and heavy Sharpening filter is quite obvious. It's also nice to see that they don't exclusively rely on TAA alone for the AA.
@mrbobo86
@mrbobo86 2 года назад
i love the sharpening filter.
@Scorpwind
@Scorpwind 2 года назад
@@mrbobo86 It is quite crispy. But I still think they overdid it.
@ShruteshKumar
@ShruteshKumar 2 года назад
@@Scorpwind Yep agreed; I still prefer the current version; but the sharpening is definitely a but overdone on my LG OLED even after setting the TV sharpness to 0.
@jenscee7679
@jenscee7679 2 года назад
It’s so good I’m restarting the game to see this throughout. Performance mode is the most fluid experience and it looks just phenomenal now.
@MrYAZZ-hl7pw
@MrYAZZ-hl7pw 2 года назад
Did you UNINSTALL & RE-INSTALLED the game? Or just an update ???
@kevinsuarezmacena1003
@kevinsuarezmacena1003 2 года назад
From a base PS4 user stand point, I can confirm that image quality and pop-in was greatly improve, I was kind of amaze how well it runs lookin that good.
@AlexisR-mw8ky
@AlexisR-mw8ky 2 года назад
Really?Aside from bug fixes and some gameplay improvements the graphics look the same to me.
@Glotttis
@Glotttis 2 года назад
I wish developers would stop with 30FPS modes. 30FPS is unusable in 2022, especially on OLED. It just look so choppy and nausea inducing. Focusing on a single 60FPS mode would also mean that mode gets all development time and is more polished than doing 2-3 modes.
@mrbobo86
@mrbobo86 2 года назад
it only looks choppy for like 5 minutes. Your brain adapts to it. It's the same if you play on 30fps for a long time and then switch to 60fps. It will look like you are playing in fast forward for a few minutes and then your brain adjusts to it.
@Wobbothe3rd
@Wobbothe3rd 2 года назад
I generally agree, but not necessarily for ALL genres. Its ok to have a slower paced strategy game or turn based game in general at 30fps.
@MisterReen
@MisterReen 2 года назад
On a LCD display 30 fps is „ok“ but I can’t play it since I got an oled tv. I had to play only the Mafia Remake with 30 fps since I got this tv and it never felt right.
@FlukeRogi
@FlukeRogi 2 года назад
I'm still on my first playthrough, so the improvement in clarity is very welcome! There are a few things I wish they'd fine tune though: The lights the machines cast on the ground (very noticeable when riding a mount) is ridiculously bright in broad daylight, and just looks plain wrong. Climbing feels 95% of the way there, but often Aloy will just fail to reach for a nearby handhold, or just fail to climb up on to solid ground because she isn't in the "right place". There are times when she grabs on to the bottom of a ladder or ledge, and her entire body clips through the geometry. I guess all these are minor things in the scheme of things, but I do feel like I've noticed more small annoyances in FW than I did in ZD.
@mrbobo86
@mrbobo86 2 года назад
I have no problems with the climbing. But Aloy is constantly falling off of platforms because of the excessive animations.
@devilmikey00
@devilmikey00 2 года назад
Especially since they have the grapple mechanic now. Whenever I'm climbing stuff I'm always feeling like my time is being wasted because they could have just replaced most of the climbing with grappling around instead.
@Dorraj
@Dorraj 2 года назад
I just really wish they had a setting for the "hero light" on Aloy. I get it during cutscenes, but when you're hiding in the grass in the middle of the night, her face is lit up by a spotlight and it just looks so unnatural.
@launchpadmcquack4971
@launchpadmcquack4971 2 года назад
This game looks fantastic now in performance mode. It looks so good in fact that I don’t really see the point of resolution mode anymore. Kudos to the developers
@teddyholiday8038
@teddyholiday8038 2 года назад
A shame it didn’t launch like this. The previous state of performance mode was unacceptable. Now it’s gorgeous.
@michaelt5459
@michaelt5459 2 года назад
Yep, too bad I played it at launch. Was a decent game, but not at all worth a replay in my opinion, so this is wasted on me a bit. I too am surprised they ever thought that level of shimmer was ok. Truly demeaned their own work. The entire time I played I was thinking how the game wasn’t quite as next level as it should have been, largely because of image quality issues like that.
@sdmalpas
@sdmalpas 2 года назад
@@michaelt5459 I still haven't finished the game, i actually walked away from it about half way through because of the graphical issues. not just because i thought they were a let down visually, but because i couldn't play in fidelity mode either due to it giving me migraines. i will try to resume it now or wait til the 40hz mode maybe and see how it goes.
@Owen01
@Owen01 2 года назад
The game definitely looks way better on performance mode after the patch. Hopefully they can fix the pop in issues next
@powerplay074
@powerplay074 2 года назад
Tested the update its a huge improvement. Now this is a showcase of the power of ps5. Picture is no longer blurry or shimmering but sharp 4k 60fps.
@thegreatfulgamer5749
@thegreatfulgamer5749 2 года назад
This was a great purchase especially when the developers keep shining the game up
@arturmagomedov02
@arturmagomedov02 2 года назад
This game is a majestic masterpiece of art and the most beautiful game ever produced so far on this planet. No one can show me a better looking game than this.
@MisterReen
@MisterReen 2 года назад
Wait until e3 20xx when the 12 TF are finally unlocked!
@balaam_7087
@balaam_7087 2 года назад
@4:07 all I can picture is the Dark Souls notification that pops up after you kill a Boss. “Shimmering Vanquished”
@boskojal1681
@boskojal1681 2 года назад
From memory this is the only post launch patch that actually improved performance, in any games I played
@x11-97
@x11-97 2 года назад
Insomniac games did the same thing with ratchet and Spiderman i think all sony studios will do this now and improve game even more after launch
@NizarNoor
@NizarNoor 2 года назад
Wow it looks so much better! I bought the game when it came out but haven’t started playing it yet because life got in the way. I’m glad it’s patched to look this good now! Looking forward to playing it soon.
@B_Ahmed1234
@B_Ahmed1234 2 года назад
Switched to performance mode after the update. Image quality is amazing. Fidelity mode feels obsolete now.
@davidl.williams6776
@davidl.williams6776 Год назад
What's so funny is that I just now started playing the game. Finished it on resolution mode the whole way. Then for the DLC I tried performance mode out and was blown away. It just looks way better. Were my eyes deceiving me?? I saw your older vid and looked online: seemed like a lot of people still preferred resolution mode. But I realize now that all of that was before this patch (that I never knew about because I played the game this year) and this video confirms my suspicion. As someone who usually prefers the fidelity.. performance mode for HFW is on another level. Bravo.
@packlesswolf1
@packlesswolf1 Год назад
Would you say Performace mode is the way to go? I'm gonna play it soon and usually I want 60fps cause I hate 30 fps these days.
@davidl.williams6776
@davidl.williams6776 Год назад
@packlesswolf1 yeah don't even bother with resolution mode. There's no point to that one. The graphics and picture quality are the same on performance. And depending on your TV/monitor's hz it can end up averaging about 90fps, often going into the triple digits. It looks unbelievable. I'm gonna start an NG+ on this mode.
@lalalaLaFlex
@lalalaLaFlex 2 года назад
It's interesting, my GF and I got Horizon on launch day. The shimmering was so bad I couldn't play it on my 65 inch OLED, meanwhile my GF barely noticed/beat the whole game in a few weeks. Now that they deployed this the update I'm all in and loving the game.
@fall-neckthetallneck2977
@fall-neckthetallneck2977 2 года назад
Hopefully she hasn't spoiled a whole lot for you. Lol
@anasshahid224
@anasshahid224 2 года назад
Horizon Forbidden West is so much fun! Great to see updates from Guerrilla 👏👏👏🙌
@DT1878
@DT1878 2 года назад
Performance mode is infinitely better looks like quality mode now but 60fps 👏
@emmyobinna
@emmyobinna 2 года назад
I agree; Guerilla deserves major kudos for such a fantastic post launch support. I just hope the next patch, does not come with even more weapon and braced shot nerfs!
@kostasbousbouras2654
@kostasbousbouras2654 2 года назад
Bravo Guerilla! Although there have been almost 4 months after the release, they fixed the problems and now the game plays better than ever!
@GamingTech-YouTube
@GamingTech-YouTube 2 года назад
Thanks for the Video. I am just wondering why DF never analyzed the worse performance mode in the first place?
@MisterReen
@MisterReen 2 года назад
They mentioned it slightly in their initial video. It could be highlighted more.
@dannonyogurt98
@dannonyogurt98 2 года назад
Thank you John, I literally held off for this patch. I ran into too many bugs but mostly the performance mode looked straight awful and I couldn't believe they thought it was acceptable.
@GoodGamingMemories
@GoodGamingMemories 2 года назад
The improvements in the latest patch came at a cost: now the water flow in rivers seems less dynamic (4:02; 5:55; 9:50).
@MisterReen
@MisterReen 2 года назад
It looks different that’s true. Wouldn’t call it worse just different.
@kenmckell
@kenmckell 2 года назад
Note on comparisons: Before patch results should be on the left side of the screen, After patch results should be on the right side of the screen. Eyes go left to right, not right to left. NOT the other way around. Please consider this model for future videos where comparisons are used.
@Vertrucio
@Vertrucio 2 года назад
Going to be very interesting to see when they fully lean into PS5 hardware instead of having to hold back for PS4 cross gen (which was barely performant anyway).
@damnkris
@damnkris 2 года назад
Great video as always, although I don't understand why it's just in 1080p. Is YT really that slow with processing 4k these days (it's been more than 3 hours since the upload) or was this uploaded in just 1080p?
@mirfalltnixein.1
@mirfalltnixein.1 2 года назад
It’s 4K now, RU-vid has just been very very slow lately.
@mrtnptrs
@mrtnptrs 2 года назад
@@mirfalltnixein.1 Yeah, this video was already released for Patreons 22 hours ago and it was indeed then not 4K yet. Think they now mostly use this Patreon-exclusive period for RU-vid to play catch-up haha.
@ledooni
@ledooni 2 года назад
@@mrtnptrs Don‘t the Patrons get access to the source files to download? Why would you then even care about the compressed mess that is RU-vid? 🤔
@mrtnptrs
@mrtnptrs 2 года назад
@@ledooni Was on my phone and wanted to watch a piece of the video without having to download it first haha, afterwards downloaded it onto my PC and watched it haha.
@ledooni
@ledooni 2 года назад
@@mrtnptrs Haha fair 👍 I‘m very happy they offer these source files. Especially the HDR game footage is a lifesaver when trying to test TVs in German stores where they don‘t allow you to bring a console and also just because I can‘t take my water cooled PC with me.
@gustavobarandas2012
@gustavobarandas2012 2 года назад
Shame it did launch at this state for a cross gen game that that was delayed
@anddudewaslike
@anddudewaslike 2 года назад
2:54 lol they were really like, "let's just swap him to be black, no one'll notice" XD
@deadend1
@deadend1 2 года назад
Performance mode was always a better option on ps5 imo. 60fps>30fps. Resolution mode at launch was terrible. The frame pacing, and over all character "heaviness" was unbearable in my opinion. I have no idea how you played that way. I thoroughly enjoyed it and even earned platinum in performance mode. I'm glad to see they have made it even better. NG+ when they add 40fps mode 👍🏻
@txup92g33
@txup92g33 2 года назад
No way, performance mode was way too blurry and muddy. Now it's pretty amazing
@furytheredhead9682
@furytheredhead9682 2 года назад
I love that they made such a big improvement but seriously this should always have been a priority. Nobody plays games in 30fps anymore. The 60fps presentation is the only one that matters. True 4k is indistinguishable from high quality upscaling (like we see here) to most people anyway. And if you go "but muh 4k" then fuck right off. You're the reason why 30fps modes are somehow still tolerated.
@MaxwellsUnearthly
@MaxwellsUnearthly 2 года назад
The team at Guerilla have done an absolute amazing job at polishing resolution and performance in performance mode. I can't tell the difference between Res mode and Performance mode (except for the FPS of course), at the naked eye (and even with my prescription glasses) I really can't find the difference. I'm sure the difference is somewhere, but I got tired of looking for it, great job Guerilla, this game looks amazing.
@skins4thewin
@skins4thewin 2 года назад
I've seen that shimmery effect in foliage & stuff in MANY MANY 4K games over the years & it's cool that they actually bothered to fix it. I always thought it was just a side effect of it being a video game & something that was unavoidable...
@miguelfigueroa5659
@miguelfigueroa5659 2 года назад
Gorilla continues to put the industry to shame showing that it is entirely possible to put out quality product and correcting potential issues in timely fashion ...definitely head and shoulders above the rest
@GametimeUKyo
@GametimeUKyo 2 года назад
It's a shame it launched the way it did, but their response has been fantastic. Great job by the team.
@mrtnptrs
@mrtnptrs 2 года назад
@@ramonandrajo6348 Why do you give this exact same response under at least 3 comments, at least give some argumentation for your opinion....
@EdgeOfDarkness86
@EdgeOfDarkness86 2 года назад
@@mrtnptrs Most likely a bot or just someone without a brain.
@MisterReen
@MisterReen 2 года назад
@@ramonandrajo6348 like Grandmaster Flash did?
@eatyrghost
@eatyrghost 2 года назад
This is why I had zero issues plunking down $70 on the game - they did an amazing job on Zero Dawn, but have exceeded that here. Bravo.
@mauriciovonreinicke5594
@mauriciovonreinicke5594 2 года назад
Great job Guerrilla Games, I´m having a blast of time playing this game with this patch.
@SCORPION7712
@SCORPION7712 2 года назад
Just started playing this game, I don't see how anybody can play this on 30fps. All the movement feels so muddy. Couldn't even see a difference between performance and resolution mode
@maulcs
@maulcs Год назад
You must be blind then, or very far away from your TV.
@anakinskywalker7960
@anakinskywalker7960 Год назад
@@maulcs I agree with him and I'm running the PS on a 55 OLED LG at almost 3m away
@maulcs
@maulcs Год назад
@@anakinskywalker7960 Yeah, 9 ft away on a 55" TV - you're describing exactly what I said.
@anakinskywalker7960
@anakinskywalker7960 Год назад
@@maulcs so blind or far from tv. Who sits 3ft away from a 55 inch screen? blind people?
@maulcs
@maulcs Год назад
@@anakinskywalker7960 If you're 9 ft away from a 55" TV you aren't even getting the benefit of 4k resolution. You might as well just be using a 1080p screen.
@mattinm
@mattinm 2 года назад
I’m totally fine with your assertion that Guerilla Games have done a great job with post launch support and fixes. What I’m not fine with is just how little this was mentioned on your initial review; I bought this at launch, partly based on your glowing launch review, and literally shelved it until this patch because the shimmer was so bad. There’s also no mention in this video about the HDR luminance issues when camera panning in resolution mode. Both of those issues, on launch, were glaringly obvious and it’s extremely disappointing that Digital Foundry, who have a reputation of being the harshest and fairest technique critics, didn’t do anything to make people aware of the problems.
@Solegor
@Solegor 2 года назад
Exactly. We should always remember that smaller channels like GamingTech, ElAnalistaDeBits had to pick up the slack and keep higlighting these issues and demanding solutions. Even Vincent from HDTV Test reported on both issues even though he's not a gaming vlogger.
@Allyouknow5820
@Allyouknow5820 2 года назад
Perhaps John didn't want to anger folks at Sony...
@danieljohn9257
@danieljohn9257 2 года назад
Now I can truly and 100% enjoy this game at 60 FPS. It was already a pleasure, but with so much detail in the PS5 version, the noise could be even harder on the eyes. This is everything we wanted, and needed. Well done Guerrilla! And thank you DF.
@Taijifufu
@Taijifufu 2 года назад
I like the note about wind intensity as I was wondering for a second if that was changed as well. Detailed work as always John.
@SamAdamsDesigns
@SamAdamsDesigns 2 года назад
Honestly this patch is amazing. I didn’t think they would be able to fix the image quality so effectively at this point. It’s incredible what developers can do when they actually care. If only fromsoft cared about giving elden ring a stable frame rate…
@jukurpa8977
@jukurpa8977 2 года назад
From software may be working on this problem, may be a patch will soon be released. We have to notice that from software has released its game on three platforms instead of one. By the way they probably want to release the three patches at the same time. Yes I’m the devil’s advocate 😊
@mrbobo86
@mrbobo86 2 года назад
FromSoft didn't even bother fixing any of the issues on Bloodborne in the 7 years its been out, so dont expect them to do anything about Elden Ring
@MisterReen
@MisterReen 2 года назад
Both are fantastic games but you can’t compare Guerilla to From Software in terms on their engine and graphics. Guerilla is simply on another level.
@SamAdamsDesigns
@SamAdamsDesigns 2 года назад
@@jukurpa8977 yeah no after how they left blood borne I highly doubt they’ll do anything to patch it. They will just crank out a sequel.
@HardRockCafe-qt5ey
@HardRockCafe-qt5ey 2 года назад
IMO: This game is NOW the best looking game of the generation.
@HugoStiglitz88
@HugoStiglitz88 2 года назад
Already was
@HardRockCafe-qt5ey
@HardRockCafe-qt5ey 2 года назад
@@HugoStiglitz88 No, it looked good but before this patch the image quality was bad. Now it's excellent.
@rickyslaws
@rickyslaws 2 года назад
This patch completely rekindled my interest in the game, I've been addicted to it the last few days and absolutely love it now! Guerilla deserve a lot credit.
@txup92g33
@txup92g33 2 года назад
Same here man, I'm glad I took it slow at first. Played close to 7 hours on my day off yesterday 😅
@aspizak
@aspizak 2 года назад
John, it's def great they fixed it - ... however ... just ... maybe it shows that it wasn't ready in the first place? I literally had fewer issues playing ER on ps5 even with the stutter vs H2 with the image shimmering. At 60' it was giving me a headache after 30min as H2 is all about foliage. So they really f it up.. ER has issues and def some notable frame drops, but not as bad as I was expecting + the image was much more stable to look at.
@yanmew
@yanmew 2 года назад
What I want to know now is: where are the people saying that this was impossible to fix without entirely remaking the game and that the image quality was perfect and we were just being nitpicky?
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