Horizon Forbidden West Sucks! 

For everyone offended by the opening mean joke - Its a way of weeding out overly sensitive people that are typically incapable of processing criticism fairly. Thanks for letting me know it works.

There's something soul crushing about a game that's not inherently bad and after putting in 50 hours I realize something is off and I'm just not enjoying myself. then I go on several hours trying to muster some patience or find excuses to keep the story going until I realize this shit is just not worth my time anymore. You've seen all the activities repeated 500 times and going into a new village, seeing all the green explanation marks and thinking about another bunch of weirdos dumping 10 mins of dialogue on me while I'm trying to save the world, was what finally made me move on to another game..

Nah, you're not the only one that feels this way. Tbh I dropped it after 10hrs and totally forgot about it until now, hence, happening upon your video randomly right now. Went platinum on the first game, lost interest in the DLC and never finished it... Then... almost immediately into HFW I got that feeling of..."sigh, I don't want to do any of this again." The game is beautiful but it's the exact same experience as the first one. There's really no need to revisit it, nor do we really need a third entry.

I felt like the game was improved over the first, but I liked it less. Somewhere in those improvements, the game lost its charm

Aloy never wanted to be a part of the tribe once she grew up. She flat out tells Rost that she doesn't care about the tribe, she just wants answers. And b/c of the whole ordeal, she is slow to trust.

So, I read about a 100 comments, many about the "magic" missing, guys, Lead designer Michael Andrew Nash responsible for the robotic designs, and other, in the first game passed away 2021, and Lead Producer Patrick Munnik had passed away in 2019.

Guerilla Games: "We're gonna write in magic space immortals as the main bad guys! What? Of course they're not gonna actually behave like people who have been around for several centuries! Don't be stupid!"

I agree. Aloy was a person looking for her origins, her mom, her answers, she was relatable. Now she is a self proclaimed "chosen one" who does not have time to be helped by friends but will stop for every fetching little thing in the game. And boy, is it full of dispersed content... felt like a 10,000 hours MMPRPG, with all the grinding and rat hunting you could NOT wish for.

I’ll only ever remember this game was a thing because of the devs getting grumpy because people stopped playing once Elden ring was released. The first game though, that was brilliant

I loved the first game. Not all games should get sequels. This is one such game. After trying for several hours to enjoy it I decided to unisnstal it. Never have I played a game that felt more like a chore than fun. I'm glad I'm not the only one feeling like this.

Why is Aloy's voice much more quieter, deeper, and careless when she speaks compared to the first game?...She sounded better in Dawn.

I enjoyed HFW, but totally agree it's story left a lot to be desired. Where as Zero Dawn's story continously pulled the player in with intrigue and mystery reinforced through the carefully crafted world, Forbidden Wests story felt like the writers constantly went "heh, why not?" How did the Zeniths achieve immortality? Doesnt matter, they just did. Why would the Zeniths upload their consciousness into an AI when they were already immortal? Who cares, they just did. The Zenith plot line felt like it tetterred on the magical, completely expecting the player to just follow along with the outlandish abilities they possess because "advanced tech". Nothing felt grounded in any semblance of reality.

I’m glad I searched for some videos like this and read the comments, seeing I’m not alone in how I’m feeling about the game. I’m about 10-12 hrs in and I’m just…bored. I can’t exactly explain it…but it’s just not grabbing me. Feels like everything is in the game is adequate…but nothing is really drawing me in like the first one. So much dialogue…so much focus on trying to make it cinematic. Pacing feels off at times and game almost feels at odds with itself at times…action game? RPG Adventure? Cinematic adventure? And I don’t feel it does any of these particularly well…but they don’t do them bad either. It’s just so…plain. Not sure if I’m going to keep playing or not at this point as it sounds like for those that did not really enjoy the game, it doesn’t get a ton better later on. Bummer.

I LOVED the FIRST GAME! I couldn't put it down. This one, I am struggling to finish. Something is off about it. I won't say it sucks but it's leaning towards that direction.

Game was a 7/10 for me. My biggest issue was that Alloy kept telling me what to do until I even looked for a option to shut her the f up

One thing out of many that annoyed me is Aloy would not STFU while exploring caves and other areas. I had to turn the sound down just so she wouldnt spoil the puzzles. The Developers must think we are really dumb? I guess, Why did they do that?

Ok, so I actually just played Zero Dawn for the first time a few months ago, and I was completely unaware that there was actually a brand new sequel. I was completely absorbed in the adventure of Zero Dawn. It was the first video game that really sucked me in, in ages. I was skeptical at first, because I'm not big into the fantasy genre (I thought it was just another Skyrim or Zelda type game) but it became one of my all time favorite games. As soon as I beat it, I just HAD to get Forbidden West. I thought "damn, it's probably gonna be twice as good". Unfortunately that was not the case. I got about half way through the game before I lost almost all interest. I thought maybe I was playing it wrong or maybe I'm missing something, but no, it's just uninteresting. That's the only way I can explain it.

Totally agree with this review. To begin with The combat sucks. I had to come here to check if im doing something wrong as there seems to be no parry or block. The mounts also seem to steer incorrectly or take a violent left/right. It all seems so messy and glumsy. Speny most of my time dodging attacks and feeling dizzy. They made a mess of this game. Only good thing i can say is visually it looks great and the water and diving seems to be very well done, but yet no underwater combat! Huge mistake from yhe devs as they could have done something cool there. The dialogue is just far too much and exhausting to wait through all these darn questions with each character you come accross. The story is just silly. Zero Dawn was amazing but this is simply terrible. Thanks for the great review. You've earned another subscriber.

I actually wish games would start caring more about gameplay than story. Going back to ps1 games some have no story whatsoever and are still great because the gameplay is fun

i actually felt pretty guilty saying I didn't enjoy this game and thought I was just being overly nitpicky about where the story went. I'm actually quite relieved that someone else shares the same opinion. definitely subscribing

The one thing that really stuck with me when playing Zero Dawn was the air of mystery around it especially when exploring the ruins during the story missions. It’s why I still remember the game. Forbidden West however well I never got that same feeling besides when you explore the bunker in San Francisco (my favorite story missions in that game). It’s one of the reasons why I didn’t really care for Forbidden West as much as I did for Zero Dawn. That lack of mystery, which I’d argue was Zero Dawns strong point, just made it very boring. I’m not saying it needed to have it but Forbidden West suffered from lacking any interesting hook to keep me interested and the characters didn’t help that at all as I found them to be very boring as well.

The first game really popped off with a cause and effect riding two storylines perfect 1000 years apart… this one doesn’t even seem to care about how the world would react to insane events occurring just six months ago. It doesn’t really seem like a sequel, nor does the story give any closure for… any of what you do. The biggest difference- motivation. None of the characters in this game have any motivation for what they’re doing. Nothing emotionally compelling. Not even the tribes are motivated in why the are what they are, they just do stuff so there can be a plot. I actually wouldn’t have minded a zenith or two being introduced as a strange background character, but the ones we got had no motivation to be as murderous as they were it just made no sense at all.

The first was one of my favorite games of the last generation. I thought it did an excellent job with the mystery of it all and it was fun to uncover. The gameplay, though not perfect, was pretty fun. The second one starts off weak. They take the character that learned all about the importance of teamwork and striving together toward a common goal and made her into "only I can do it and I have to do it alone." It was so jarring and dumb. If she dies, the world is screwed because she is the only one who can do it. Why on earth would she risk going alone?! She eventually started getting over it, but it was awful. Not to mention she is so dramatic 95 percent of the time. I get the world is ending and it is dire, but sheesh. Also, they seemed to have lost all ability to string along a mystery. They introduce something mysterious, then explain it in dialogue two seconds later. Maybe that gets better later. It just seems like they had a message they wanted to convey and shoehorned it in instead of creating a believable, cohesive story. I'll go back and finish it someday, and maybe it will win me over, but it was quite disappointing in many regards.

i preordered the collector’s edition because i became so fond of the franchise, even the comics that they made. i’ll admit that i enjoy story driven games, so i was quick to notice how garbage the writing was in this one. it doesn’t even feel like a sequel

I'm fucking crying. I loved the mystery of the first game and the mystery of the world. I wanted them to lean into the sci-fi stuff. I'd hoped some old world humans survived... but not like this. Fucking hell.

I downloaded the free trial for this mess and deleted it about 15 minutes in. The game constantly takes control away from you and makes you wait for prescripted events that you very very easily could have figured out on your own. Even the exploration was being force fed while hand holding the entire time. Its a beautiful looking game but boring and bland characters take all of that oomph away.

God I forgot that they made her look like nickacado avocado with similar hair and everything.

29:35 Irony is, everybody else with a shieldwing who you fight in the game does have a stamina system to their shield which is why it eventually breaks. But Aloy's like nope, let's not repair the one I have using parts from the other ones I come across. Blocking and parrying was one of the first things I tried when I got the shieldwing only to find it's not possible

First game had the same lead writer from Fallout New Vegas. This one did not. There's your problem right there!

Thank you good sir. I 100 agree,Aloy in the first game started off as an average somewhat gentle and averaging likeable person only for her (mostly thanks to Sylens) to become completely exact opposite (of Elizabet Sobeck) and completely corrupted in the end.

I would agree with most of what you said, albeit begrudgingly. I loved Zero Dawn and wanted Forbidden West to be the sequel Aloy deserved. What we got was a cynical protagonist, who felt like she was just doing stuff because. They really fucked up the climbing too. I don't remember their names but I feel like they should have killed off the fat white dude, not the black guy about to be a father. Kind of ruined the end for me.

finally got my hsnds on a ps5, bought forbidden west and my god its nothing like the first game. i got sleepy with all the dialog. clunky climbing and i keep hitting invisible walls when running

I actually enjoyed the sequel, but I respect your points. My biggest complaint though is how unlikable Aloy is. In Zero Dawn she was curious and driven for knowledge, and she was warmful towards others. In the sequel though she comes off as annoyed with anyone who talks to her and she goes full 'strong woman' mode where she wants to do everything on her own while all the male characters seem like complete incompetent idiots. Second complaint is the ending with Tilda. She basically turns on you because she held onto feelings from a lesbian relationship she had 1000+ years ago like wtf lol.

I’m gonna get roasted….. I have started Zero Dawn countless times, I’ve never finished it…. It gorgeous, She seems amazing, the opening Cinematics, the growing up montage, Brilliant!! It just doesn’t hold my attention, and I can’t explain why…

I did not hate the game at all. But I do agree with most points raised in the video. I loved the first game. This was very much a let down in the perception of alloy. Why she comes across as superior to almost everyone. I lost a lot of interest as I played through.

I was most disappointed with the combat of Forbidden West. They nerfed everything except melee which got buffed but also made the enemies weaker and I hate... HATE... the super limited carry capacity for everything. Only have 6 arrows and only have enough materials to craft another 6 arrows. It's like they were trying to force people into melee. Not to mention not including water combat. Huge... HUGE... missed opportunity to make the time spent in the water worth it.

I totally agree with what you have said about Ted Faro. That was quick decision to kill an unfinished story line. All in all IT seems to me e the story was written by a little child.

It relying on way too much exposition and dialogue then going out and hunting in the wild’s for resources and they pulled an shadow of the tomb raider by making you wear bland outfits to complete a quest it boggles my mind why they have to copy other games instead of originality and the opening of the game she scolded Varl for having an beard in which can knock someone’s self confidence and identity of development that leads Aloy to be unlikeable as an character by saying she hates beard’s.

I am trying to play this game right now and it may be the fact that I'm sick and don't feel well, but everything in this game feels off and it's driving me bonkers. I just arrived at chainsmoke and man I feel like I may have to uninstall it. This is about an hour into the game and I feel everything you mentioned in this video. Bored, overwhelmed, underwhelmed, and I don't care about Aloy. She went from a caring, spunky, wild child who enjoyed the people she met along the way of the first game, to a joyless, cynical jerk who now treats all of her "friends" like they are below her. She keeps saying how much she hates being "the savior" but lords it over them every chance she gets because her mission is very important and only she can stop it. Ugh very very very poor sequel. I will let it sit for a bit and if I'm feeling better with more energy I might enjoy it, but as of right now it's back on the shelf. What a shame, guerrilla.

The writing of this one was so fucking stupid compared to the first one. I haven't seen a franchise's writing go so downhill so quickly since Game of Thrones

The first game at the beginning can and is relatable to an extent, after a while she (Alloy) stops being an underdog and instead the biggest plot point/most important person in the entire world, with is fine given the context of the game and the lore they set up with works enough, with also focused on a good amount of gameplay and fun, then you also had the character development and the fact every mystery in the game is pretty much solved by the end too only leaving a few mysteries for a sequel, DLC's just feel like a warning to what's to come with Forbidden west. The second game, quite literally, starts off with setting Alloy's character back an arc, meaning Alloy at the end of the first game learns to ask for help to everyone, second game, she as to learn to do that again or learn who she is again! Plus, she feels like a cardboard as a character entirely because she barely as any conflict........... Then it's the fact that the story goes.......spacial let's say, like....the story is bland, predictable, stupid and generic, it's just a ruined story that absolutely shits and sets on fire the decent story the first game had. Gameplay wise, it is still fun to an extent (same as the first game mostly) and then we have the huge open world map....that is either empty or simply empty landscapes with sometimes "animals" on the background and the rest you'd have to go to specific places to see a more lively place, now don't get me wrong, i love a good landscape, but i prefer a landscape that is not only with signs that it's lived in or that it as a very long story behind it, than empty landscapes, the first game almost got this right, the second one? nope, it's the ubisoft formula that's become tiring af. Overall, Forbidden West ticks all the check marks for a good game, but that's it, it just ticks all the check marks....it doesn't make them right, in fact it butchers a huge majority of them, the entire game is a shit show, it's a mess of a game, a cash grab pretty much, i feel sorry for the devs, because you can tell they have talent, they put in a lot of work and dedication to these games, but it's going on the wrong spots, i wouldn't be surprised if they didn't know what to do with this game (Because the first game had so much time just scrapping scripts for years till we got the story we got) and keep trying to do something to elevate the game, but just ruins it more.

Personally I think Sony needs to stop trying to make every game a movie that is ONLY good for one play through.

The only part that really grabbed me is when we first enter no mans land and see the frozen robots mid battle with the last of the human military

Dear author - you are NOT the only one to feel that. I've watched your video, because after completing the main story, having 102 hours behind - I feel disappointed. I feel sad. Because being honest: I didn't enjoy it much as I wanted or expected initially. My best comparison is that I wanted a big triple-A movie, blockbuster and I've got a mediocre tv-series like Lost in Space. Skipping game mechanics issues (like more complex and idiotic crafting), leveling, etc. Story... It doesn't touch. I was bored in the beginning, then a bit excited, again bored, again a little bit excited and etc. But in the end - no, it was NOT fun. There was no joy, no thrilling feel of adventure, of discovery, of a mystery beyond the corner - nothing. Just loong, for fuck sake looooong dialogs. They looked awesome. But were fucking empty. 40 minutes (I checked) of dialogues before the final battle. ARE YOU SERIOUS?! Far zenith was ok with me. Fine, kinda aliens that were alive - it's ok. What matters is how to deliver information. How to provide it. How to build suspense. We forgot how wonderful Zero Dawn was. When piece by piece we build the picture of how the world ends. Sadness, sorrow, pain. People sacrifice their lives before the end. And each piece of info was important by itself. But then, the next one made it deeper. More meaningful. Was it Forbidden West? HELL NO! Talk, talks, talk. And Alloy just became some narcissi girl, that behaves absolutely fucking out of logic. She pushes away her friends while helping freaking every other stranger she meets on the road. WATTA HELL IS THIS? Being honest, I've enjoyed AC Valhalla more than Horizon... And that's what's sad. This is supposed to be a great Sony Exclusive. In the end, it's like a signal of the end of the era.

Agree.When they started with making it like mass effect/Star trek from space ,It really ruined it.

First of all: please don’t get discouraged by the fanboys who can’t fathom that someone has a negative opinion of their favorite game. I have to say I agree with you: before Aloy was way more relaxed in the first one. On this one she is constant in a hurry and wants to brush through the story herself. The main storyline wants to build artificial tension with the “we only have a view month”, but since it’s constant for the main story, I just didn’t care at one point anymore because Aloy would say this all the time. As a player it’s also hard to believe since you know, you have all the time in the world. Regarding the story: Tilda is a groomer. I can’t say it any other way. She had Beta as a child and with the invitations to the secret data channel tried to groom her to be her partner and more like Elisabeth. When she found Aloy, she dropped Beta and wanted to peruse her. Also the companion system was….. meh. You never see companions interact with each other (shouting into another conversation doesn’t count) and if you go on a mission it’s basically “go there and kill this”. I’m currently playing Mass Effect 2 and though it has its issues, the companion quests are fun to play. It’s something different every time and you help them to make choices (or stop them from choices they might regret). And the game is from 2010!

I share a lot of the same opinions. As a correction, Far Zenith’s “Odyssey” was mentioned several times in Zero Dawn, I recall one time through a data point.

I paid for the game..... and I wanted to like it but the game developers made that a real struggle.

They should’ve called it Horizon: Forbidden Fog. Every expanse in the world is covered in fog.

As soon as the immortal space people showed up I was turned off. They could just had done all that with the people from the far east and made a massive invasion of them the threat.

I bought Horizon Forbidden West late last year and started playing early the following year. I wasn't sold on it immediately after booting it up, once I reached the first Gaia Cutscene at new Zenith; my heart just dropped, it just felt like I was playing a Far Cry reskin; so disappointing compared to the original.

I’m just upset that we can’t smoke futuristic space weed

Horizon 3: Gingers in Space Holy crap this absolutely murdered me

15:24 Oh my GOD!!! This scene of her arriving from the water is giving me headache!!! That's not how physics works!!! 😖 17:12 That's the A of the Anthem's games? 🤔 ...I have seen that A before... 🤔

I thought the story was fine as a whole, starts incredibly boring but gets better after the first Cauldron mission and almost every mission after that is entertaining in a way. The biggest problem is that it didn’t deviate enough of the typical “wheel of choices” to get the same-ish response of the stuff and it was just two people randomly talking to each other (at least it wasn’t as stiff and static as HZD but still just not interesting). The game also fails on characterizing Aloy (she was honestly very unlikable at the first 5 hours or so of the game) and almost every single secondary character are a thousand times better and more interesting (Erend, Sylens and Kotallo especially). Gameplay wise is a bit weird for me: the human to human combat is better, the final boss isn’t a previous enemy just reused with a color swap, traversing the map is fun and way more enemy variety spice the game up. At the same time the game feels over bloated and it feels excessively grindy (like seriously, you move two feet and get to see a thousand fucking animals you can kill all with their different items and RNG in items), you have to constantly go travel back and forth between the campfires in order to fight against a machine you specifically want to upgrade your suit, your weapons or for some odd reason the overrides. The game also has way to many versions of the weapon just with variety in stats making the game feel overwhelming with rather unnecessary fodder. Overall the game is just… ok for me I guess mix it has really good moment and the game does improve some areas from the first but it also downgrades a lot of the stuff from the first game for no real reason (why are the ropecasters so shit now, why does Aloy take a year to recover after several attacks, why are the STRONG weapons so fucking weak and why does Aloy take a full year to pick them up)

"More cinematic than fun" This perfectly describes why this game is just a frustrating mess to play

I thought I was crazy honestly, I haven't really seen anyone yet who felt the same as me! I was incredibly disappointed in this game. I powered through to finish it, but when that itself felt like a chore I knew there was no hope for the game. I just did not have fun playing this, which hurts because the first game is one of my all time favorites.

Horizon games are beautiful but boring as hell.

When the contents of the Mystery box are shit.

As I share much of your frustration with the game, the bigger point for me was that it seemed as if it was to some degree “woke “. Every single male character was either a bad guy an insane megalomaniac, a nut case, a Simp who trails along after Aloy, or just some dumb bafoon with lots of muscle and a hammer. Didn’t write in a single average decent guy in the entire thing. That doesn’t mean I have any problem with women or strong women characters or the general amount of strong women characters. It’s more representation of the lack of a decent male character along with all the strong female characters. It just seems like a guy bashing narrative.

I thought the combat mechanics were quite annoying in this game. I didn’t like that they tried to introduce too many RPG style status effects, meaning you may have to equip other weapon types you don’t really like or want to use, just to be able to effectively fight certain enemies. The melee “upgraded” combat didn’t really seem to add much, for me. Fighting some of the flying bosses was extremely annoying when it was almost impossible to track the enemies, especially when they were directly overhead and you couldn’t even target them. Some of the large machines moved way too quickly and could lunge at you quicker than you could do anything. Even in slowed down mode, it felt like it was much harder to accurately hit weak points when compared to the first game. For me, the combat and story were the strong points of the first game. Both seemed to be lacking something in the second game. Also, the whole “white people bad” feeling, especially the men, throughout the game got old. Plus, they seemed to force into the conversation many homosexual relationships, including Elisabet, Tilda, Alva, various other side quest characters. It just all felt a bit forced and “woke”. While I did enjoy the game, it paled in comparison to the first game. There were some nice additions, but they didn’t outshine the issues, for me.

I was so looking forward to this game. I loved Zero Dawn. By the space nerds and aloud 2.0 show up the game had completely lost me. I never even finished. Just watched the ending and was like... Yeah that's sort of what I expected.

I've only watched the first 40 seconds of this video but just had to comment on how much i AGREE with you! Lack of engagement, frustration with simple tasks... The mechanics felt like assassins creed and dark souls had a baby but ended up being premature with only 2 limbs and spoke only in tounges. Just glad some people feel the same way about this game. D

One thing I think takes away from the game is the story doesn't fit with the map size. Also they introduced so many new mechanics that weren't really needed example the Valors and the specials attached to weapons. I found they weren't easy to get into when you're in active battle. Plus by the time I reached certain story points I was already over leveled anyways. I dunno I still have to beat the ending and I'm having a hard time getting back into the game since I stopped to play elden ring.

Games like this is exactly why I enjoy indie developers. I don't have to experience the dragging movie aspect...very annoying.

I really love Horizon and enjoyed FW but the Zenith, space people really ruined the series. It became kind of ridiculous, the first game had a realy interesting universe/ almost epic fantasy esque. Its a shame. FW lost something and the combat became too complicated and less fun

I tried finishing the game after the first and it felt like i was being obligated to rather than actually liking the game. Been waiting for someone else to not like it publicly 😂

I liked Forbidden West a lot more than the DLC, but it still wasn't as good as the first game. I feel like the middle felt slow while the ending felt rushed. Horizon had it's big reveals and story beats more spread out. Also FW just added way too many weapons and options for upgrades and I mostly got lost in all the mechanics.. It felt like they threw in every weapon and combat option they could think of.. Also they removed Lure. Which is the perk I used constantly when I was trying to stealth bandit camps etc when the camp difficulties were much higher than my level was.

One area of this game I really don't hear talked about much by anyone is when you need parts for your upgrades and its fishing primarily. How many times do you get close to the fish you need and "Pop!" the fish just vanishes. This seems to be such an annoying bug that has never been addressed. You find things taking so much longer, not just due to the randomization of whether you are going to get the item or not when you do catch a fish. It is also whether the dam fish is just going to vanish before you can even capture it.

Agreed. This game sucked so much. As you said, boring+frustrating. I LOVED the first game, so so incredible. It's like the devs competely misunderstood what made the first game fun and instead focused on all of the negative aspects of the game and made them more prominent. The game absolutely didn't need more jumping puzzles, it just didn't, and the fact that the movement is so awkward in this makes it all the worse.

I've been SCREAMING at this damn game since I first downloaded it. Glitch upon glitch, Aloy can't dodge a snail, your weapon gets changed without your say so in the middle of combat, point-blank bullseyes somehow "MISS"?, the "auto-shield wing" DOES NOT WORK, dead machines disappear off the terrain before you can loot them, it takes WAY too goddamn long for Aloy to recover from getting hit, the early weapons do no damage, "purge water" doesn't stop elemental attacks, melee pit mechanics DO NOT WORK, "Apex" variants don't show up at night, human enemies are way too fast and can shoot through rocks and buildings while Aloy cannot, etc etc etc This game has been out for only 3 months and it's already on it's 13th update. Says it all.

I played the first game because my friend kept telling me that it had really good gameplay and an amazing story… and that’s not what I got. The story and gameplay didn’t amuse me at all. And usually if one is good I’ll beat the game. I played for probably 5-6 hours before I deleted it… but I was so bored the entire time. Even tried going back about a year later and deleted it after 2 hours. Wasn’t worth it and I don’t understand why people enjoyed it

well the machines werent killing the humans, they were consuming everything biological, meaning humans, plants, fish, moss, ants, everything. It was a twist on the fermi paradox of the "grey goo" apocalypse..

In response to 29:00's argument of needing more nuanced weapon systems rather than just a few extra buttons to "blow stuff up"... there had been a collaboration with HZD and Monster hunter World: Iceborne. Monster hunter has the exact fighting innovations that Box Fort Barbarian mentioned, so it was not as if the team didn't have an example to go off of for immersive combat. What's even better is the fact that the HFW (Forbidden West, yes it's weird to type out) team was criticizing Elden Ring for its lack of constant hand holding, even going as far as to call it a horrible game. I will give them credit where credit is due though, the Sunhawk flying is a gorgeous addition that brought me to tears with its visuals and the implication of what you can do with such a flight system. It's a real shame that you only get it in the penultimate moment preceding the final battle. Aloy also talks constantly, even after the story is over from what I can tell.

I found this game boring af. Could hardly bring myself to finish it. Did so by eventually setting it to story mode, skipping most dialog and just powering through the main quests. The second the credits rolled I uninstalled. What a lame, boring experience.

Starting HZD right after finishing Bloodborne was a probably one of my biggest shifts in the enjoyment of videogaming. I never felt so bored playing a game.

I thought about buying it but just looking at it made no sense to me lol

As much as I like that we did get answers for some of the loose ends last game. Bu I hate how unlikeable Aloy is. It’s clear they rewrote her with modern feminism in mind. They go over the top with Ted Faro being a douce because men bad. Elizabet Sobek is suddenly lesbian despite her previous characterization as being not interested in romance at all because she was so busy. Aloy is incredibly rude and condescending to the men. Aloy is shown to be right and flawless about everything ever. The men are evil, incompetent, or lazy and can’t do anything without Aloy. They made Aloy a Mary Sue. The Teknath are the Native/minority shoehorns that are said to be bloodthirsty barbarians and we even hear stories of their atrocities from an early NPC and how he had to fight for his freedom, only to find their leader isn’t a violent person. What? They also shoehorn in California because everything is great in California (laughs in droughts and failing electric grid). Then Tilda turns on you because aloy can be her Elizabet 2.0 and have their lesbian thing again. No, just no. I didn’t mind the space people thing, it should have been their descendants, not immortal elites. Descendants who felt earth was their birthright and came back to claim it. I don’t mind the incoming nemesis either. It would have been better if Nemesis was the same thing trying to eat their descendants. As for Beta, I think she was alright. Had this been about descendants then her story would make more sense. Then she could be Sobeck’s descendant and still have the DNA needed. To make a comparison this is wonder woman 1984. They had the exact same problems.

The last of us 2 effect for a lot of gamers also happened with this game, it just didn't resonate well with many it seems.

Flying human in the FW world, dont mix.

Basically, the first game was like the original Fast and Furious, while the sequel was like the 8th iteration of the franchise: some over the top BS that had nothing to do with the feeling of the original. Too much craziness and flare, but none of the heart and personal touch of the original.

I also didn't really like this game. My biggest issue is that the tribes are very surface level especially the tenakth. Other than wearing different colors they don't try to make any real variation between the different clans

NOPE. You're definitely not alone. I got bored within the first hour. And gave myself time away to see if I'd be interested in trying it again. After another hour. I was literally falling asleep. The first one (Horizon ZD) had me playing for hourssss...this one just didn't grab me the same way. No hate to the players. Just had more fun with the first one. 🤷‍♂️

In my opinion Aloy was never a good character even in the first one, she was just really unlikable? It was the atmosphere and a lot of the world building that kept me playing. The only interesting character for me was Sylens and uncovering the mystery of the main storyline, because pretty much all of the side quests were boring and the dialogue quality went down massively. Maybe I was spoiled by playing the Witcher 3 where the dialogue was consistently great throughout, even in the side quests. So I'm glad I never touched this one as I could see it would only lose the little charm it had when Aloy became more of the focus.

Can we go back to making the strong point of games being the actual game (as in fun to play - challenge - combat). Graphics and story are nice additions - but as we have seen with Elden Ring - they are not nearly as important as gameplay. And these *are* meant to be games.

same here bro played for 1 hr and then deleted. If a game fails to hook me in in first 1 hr, I don't play for any longer. it was boring and not original. Same thing that has been done before just re packaged in a new game. and i did not liked the Aloy or what her name is.

I can agree to all of this you say about HFW. I had this weird feeling about the game from the start and it never went away. It only got worse about everything. Great video by the way.

Maybe they should have taken 7 years for the development here as well...... the game felt rushed and having at least five patches already kinda confirms that feeling.... the game lost me completely when they killed off Varl..... i don't think the series will recover from that even though i found him a little annoying..... and yes.... Aloy doesn't feel the way she came over like in HZD..... i do get that searching for half a year turning up empty handed can make you disappointed and sarcastic but not to that extreme degree..... and i was missing those decision based answers..... they crammed two in there but they never had any weight or consequence/impact. Many little things that irk me in that second outing..... definitely not in my top ten game list.....

I got this game with my ps5 bundle a week ago and haven't played it bc I just have no desire to leap into another ubisoft open world

I find it really odd how the characters speak to each other - they sound like modern people from the 21st century instead of stone age people from thousands of years ago. There is so much technobabble being thrown around and these stone age people are able to make sense of it all? The technological advancement of a civilization directly corelates with how much complex ideas can be expressed via its language. Folks from the stone age would not be able to understand modern concepts even if you could translate it perfectly to them. It would've been far better if Aloy and Co are interpreting all of advanced technological stuff as divine messages from some deity. But Aloy seems to understand everything perfectly and able to explain it to her peers who are also able to grasp it. 🤔

This has apparently become an annoyingly frequent habit on the part of Sony and its developers. A large number of PlayStation exclusives seem to prioritize photorealistic graphics, cinematic flair, and pretentious stories over fun, engaging, and addictive gameplay. Style over substance, to put it bluntly...

All I hoped for from FW: Aloy, after being identified as humanity's last hope of restoring GIA and hailed as a demi-god by all in the east, reluctantly accepts that she's now too valuable to risk her life, and seeks the protection of the sun king, where she's made the leader of his military. We get to control a new character for a tutorial while Aloy attempts to adjust to her new position, commanding troops instead of leading the charge, while her relationship with the king begins to develop. The western tribes learn of this alliance, increasing their distrust of the sun king and their already turbulent relationship and instead of co-operating, they decide to take the initiative and invade Meridian with the use of their harnessed machines, taking Aloy hostage in the process. The sun king is killed, and the brief piece that the various tribes were enjoying under his rule is destabilised, plunging them into chaos once again. Aloy, now in the Forbidden West, is in a race against time to either escape her captures, or win over their trust, before the blight or the tribes destroy what little remains. What I got: Captain Marvels origin story

19:20 The Quen were from across the ocean. They weren't there at the time and they did notice something was going on, that's why they went west.

After finishing ghost of tsushima, I started to play forbidden west, when I started my first combat, I said damn compared to GOT combat, This game is terrible. I enjoyed the first one but this game I skipped 80% of the dialogue, was so boring and slow. I wasn't interested in the game anymore, I got the platinum then I said I don't think I will play the sequel. I can't believe this game cost 185millions to make.

There is a couple of questions about both games that always puzzled me: how the heck does a primitive to dark age level civilization make compressed air arrow heads for tear arrows? Also how are shock wires powered when supposedly there isn't any power source on them?

Sony learned nothing from The Last Of Us 2. Horizon Forbidden West is a shadow of its predecessor catering to a select few ultimately turning into a Woke disaster. The map and bots have drastically improved. While the story has taken a back seat going Woke.

1. Way too many side quests, and they are not rewarding, and they are not good stories. 2. There aren't too many puzzles, but almost each and every one of them is bad. It's just scanning games, if you miss one, you get stuck. 3. A lot of the plot (both main and side quests) doesn't make any sense. A lot of the reasoning seems to be a reach. It's both irritating and laughable, I guess we can call it bad writing. 4. Too many weapon types and while you could use them and have some fun. But at the end of the day, only hunter bows, warrior bows and sharpshooter bows matter. Whatever other weapon types do, bows just do it better, maybe with the exception of Elite Ropecaster. I don't like HZD's story either, nothing makes sense, story is too childish. But at least I enjoyed the combat and nothing seems to be a chore. HFW is the exact opposite. Enemies are even tankier, combat is even longer, and I'm always either doing a chore or on the way to the next.

yea i agree, this is way too hand holdy. i bounced right off the sequel and have been playing Elden Ring ever since.

Totally agree with you the game is crap: the story is bullshit, the puzzles suck. I was bored to play this game. The first one was amazing but forbidden west is boring. I did not understand why they put dossen of unuseful weapons. After finishing the main story and a lot of side quests I understood - you may use these weapons for "bosses" and play in "dark souls". But I bought Horizon Zero Down :(

this is a problem i seem to have with almost ALL of Sony's first-party games, despite their usual quality....they are in LOVE with cutscenes. cutscenecutscenecutscene...ok you can push buttons for ten minutes...cutscenecutscenecutscene...I tend to struggle to get to the end of a lot of their stuff. i know it's me, don't get me wrong i know the games are great, but you just spend too much time watching for my tastes.