Horizon Zero Dawn's Apocalypse: The Science 

Can I also add due to the bots being large enough to relatively easily disable(depends on the bot) it could slow down the time frame as well from destroying them in mass amounts

You and Hello Future Me posting videos about Horizon Zero Dawn the same day. Got some viewing to do.

What about the big mothership robots that carry the other robots? They had tentacle arms but none were truly functional in game. But back then I image those things were doing world tours.

Thanks for pinning this, interested to watch while installing but didn't want to risk spoilers!

I want to play the game so bad (but have to wait 3 years for a pc port) and so many youtubers I sub to have videos up and I have been avoiding all of them.

No idea why this comment is totally buried, but I'm glad I found it. It seemed really out of character for Kyle to hire an actress an pressure her into a skimpy outfit, so I'm relieved to know that's not what happened.

Good to know! I thought it would be weird to hire an actress just to dress up and do his hair. Just watched "♡ BOYFRIEND DOES MY VOICEOVER ♡" and I'm willing to bet I'm not the only one who had no idea he was dating anyone. Always assumed the man was entirely aro/ace.

It's good to know that your agency and autonomy were fully respected in the making of this video. May I ask what your views are on the character ARIA's agency in the portrayed scenario? You are a respected performer, but ARIA is portrayed as somewhere between an employee and a tool, who, though frequently argumentative, is required to abide by the Facility Director's wishes. Is ARIA's implied sexuality meant to be interpreted as completely of their own free will, independent of the Facility Director? Or was there not supposed to be any implied sexuality at all? I would be greatly relieved if I've got the wrong end of the stick.

So what you're saying is, we have hypocrites in the comments?!

All power to you, Claire! Sadly there are some bad comments, which is sadly expected... But don't let that limit what you want to do and what you want to wear! I I loved your participation in the video and the outfit makes total sense for the character! (also the "how long until you humans are finally wiped out..." part really cracked me up 😂👍🏼)

Do you hear that humm from the heater.....See it vibrating?

Energy's influence is always spherical by default. So even with an electric heater, the direction of the heat that isn't going where you want it to is still unused waste heat. So, technically, it isn't 100% efficient.

Technology Connections was making a knowing joke when they said that. Say, for instance, the electricity came from a coal-fired power station; far less than 100% of the chemical potential energy of the coal becomes usable heat, less than 100% of the usable heat becomes steam because of the latent heat of water; less than 100% of the energy from steam pressure is translated into mechanical energy in the turbine due to friction; less than 100% of the mechanical energy is translated into electrical potential by the generator because of... You get the idea. I haven't done the maths but you might be better off simply burning the coal in the your own home, from an "efficiency" perspective, depending on how the coal is delivered... Entropy always wins in the end... End-tropy... 😨

Technically a heater that gets so hot it emits visible light already isn't 100% efficient because if it's purpose is to heat, visible light is very miserable at that. However, a 100% machine is one you use for more than one thing, like my overclocked computer being kept on in the winter. Every bit of it under work is being used FOR work, but the heat it produces as sideproduct isn't waste because I am FREEZING NO MORE!

vibration, visible light, magnetic field ... there are other ways to waste energy than just heat it's literally impossible to convert energy 1:1 and without byproducts

Remind me what that was

@@Himechinachae they didn't survive

@@griffinsanders4515 oh that part

“I wonder how they survived” *sees the end* “They didn’t”

Sometimes the best explanation on how they survived, is that they didn't.

Yeah THATS why we all like her..

@@bur2576 totally not the hot robot girl in a swimsuit

its not the first time ARIA has shown up in a humanoid body :)

Yes

And the videos might get some new content too!

I'd say even a bit more, considering that the entire world's armed forces were engaging the robots.

@@danielm.595 At that point entire world armies is just automated robots. And the Chariot line can literally corrupt and hack every automated system ever. So yeah the world isn't prepared

Good point. Of course, all this assumes that the Faro Plague is working towards the world's destruction at maximum potential efficiency, rather than maintaining a defensive position until they need to seek out fuel. In that case, the minimum time it would take to destroy the world would be subject to velocity and temperature calculations, while the maximum time it would take depends on the amount of materials and resources available to consume before they spread to new areas.

@@mememan2.074 But they were still using non-automated defenses to slow them down. The problem is that they couldn't stop the machines from wiping out the biosphere, not that they couldn't do anything at all.

The sequel only improves the main story. A great predecessor, a great sequel. As all thing should be.

And the fact that Enduring Victory as well as other obstacles will have slowed them down

⁠​⁠@@willrobson7265the robots would’ve moved even faster had it not for the billions of souls sacrificed to buy time for Zero Dawn to complete, that’s the horrific part. Countless innocents died for a future that will not have them (they don’t know that).

With gray goo you just cant survive, the other leaves you a certain margin for survival.

Hopefully our Elezabeth Sobeck makes sure the issue with the Seed Vaults isn't an issue

@@auri1075 Neither had much margin for survival. The robots in HZD consumed all organic material, including oxygen. The Earth was literally a dead, grey rock when they were done.

Except the Machine Plague is technically a grey goo scenario as well. The larger machines actually use nanomachines to break down organic material for consumption.

So you would rather be ripped apart atom by atom, instead of quickly chomped and grinded up by a spiderbot?

Arms...eh?😉

@@MahmoudElgassier this dude is the exact reason i don’t like claire being physically present

@@fomalhaut_the_great maybe came off a bit creepy. Honestly though, mad respect.

Claire swole af

@@fomalhaut_the_great So let me get this right, you dislike the physical presence of women because some men are creeps? Please tell me I'm getting you wrong there. It's not on women that guys do that at the barest hint of their existence.

I mean when you have a limited sized human population that decreases every time someone dies and an army of robots that builds 10+ new ones every time 1 is destroyed it's pretty believable that humanity would barely slow them. Humanity would only be able to cover a limited area of land and would have to limit themselves to areas that the robots would specifically target, this would leave most of the planets surface undefended and allow the robots to spread unchecked only being slowed at those defended areas. Which is why the defense only managed to save them days worth of time.

Well after seeing a Horus at barely 40% of its potential in full motion in the Burning shores DLC you understand why they were unstoppable.

yeah... humanity didn't fair BADLY on destroying them, think there was a datapoint that said a single US unit (so like 500-ish troops if we go by current standard I think?) had defeated 3 Horus with minimal losses, so their self replication capabilities must have been off the charts to advance like that, although this was at the US, which was pretty much last part of humanity to fall, at which point highly intelligent swarm probs just threw numbers cause they knew they had time on they side, and unlike humans, they could just be rebuilt if they fell so didn't care about that kind of loss@@-Offstar

It wasn't in vain, though. By literally days they bought the time necessary to complete the project and seal the Eleuthia Cradles and Gaia facility. Tragic, noble, and heroic, but it also saved the species. And people in Aloy's time now know the sacrifice that was made for them to live, so the memories of those brave men, women, and even children carry on.

they literally bought TWO YEARS of time. Imagine the devastation needed to delay exponential growth by that much...

@@kahlzun i mean... didn't they have a military? If aloy can wreck some of these smaller bots on her own... i'm sure a Tank or air strike can do the same. Buying time wouldn't be very difficult at that point

@@cherrydragon3120 yeah but the things that were producing the machines kept making more and more and more to the point that they were being overwhelmed

@@cherrydragon3120 One wrinkle with that is that the machines in the game were able to hack and take control of any sufficiently advanced technology. So any modern weaponry the military had at the time would have been used against them. This resulted in the people having to fight against endless waves of hi-tech swarms with low-tech weapons.

To a degree... Every machine has a biomass conversion system, so getting close to and killed by a machine is just fueling it and helping it repair. We only see a single tank sized machine booting up with biomass conversion in the game, and it takes a while, and we have no indication of how fast the Horus can build machines and gather resources... It's implied that the machines were already all over the world during Enduring Victory, but the conversion system and the rate the Horus fabricators could churn out new bots and convert biomass into fuel were limiters for how fast they could eat the biosphear. A single robot might take 20 seconds to eat biomass the size of a golden retriever, and a Horus would likely need at least a few minutes to produce a single new machine on average, depening on the model, with humanity deploying their own weapons and even nuclear weapons to slow them down. The machines were going to win, but humanities efforts slowed them down for quite a while in the beginning, when the battle was more equal. But at some point, just going outside without breathing masks became impossible dure to the loss of the biosphear, and at that point, the machines quickly overran the remaining resistance, with the remaining biomass being consumed with little to no resistance, spreading as fast as the machines could possibly go

Actually, wrong. The Horus units are the ones that poo out more of the smaller robots, but we actually see in numerous cutscenes that the car-sized and house-sized ones do actually release clouds of nanomachines to eat biomatter and turn it into fuel. They are also stated to cart biofuel back to the giga-hentai bots to keep them "fed", like ants.

@@COctagons yes, but they don't replicate, so it's not exponential. That's why the exponencial growth of the threat is tied ONLY to the Horus units, because it's the one that actually consumes a lot of biomass to replicate the swarm and be the "grey goo". Without the exponential growth they don't have the numbers to move in the ring described in the scenario, plus since humans are offering resistance, without the self replication the swarm might be defeated by the human defense. That's why the key to the grey goo scenario in the Horizon Zero Dawn story depends on the speed of the Horus Titan units and not the swarm robots themselves.

@@matheusmterra You missed my point: Because none of the robots can perform all genocide tasks by themselves, they're roughly all equal parts of the same whole. It's not any one robot model in particular that does all the work. They can still grow exponentially IF the smaller bots bring back more biofuel than the huge ones use, and if the huge ones can feed on enough materials to make small bots at a greater speed than humanity can kill them. Even so, it would be more sporadic than just a ring due to terrain, weather, human resistance, human weapons they commandeer, and the relative abundances and deficits of both biological and non-biological resources in areas they sweep through.

@@COctagons but that's not how the small bots work. They just take biomass to fuel themselves. If you calculate the size of the ring with which they would progress through the surface of the planet, you would need an X amount of robots to actually be able to move through cities and consume everything. The only way that's possible is if they can replicate, if they can't self replicate they can't move through the planet in that particular fashion. That is why the Horus Titans are ESSENTIAL for the scenario, they are the ONLY robots of the swarm that can produce new robots, which means only THEY are the grey goo. The grey goo scenario is scary because the more the grey goo consumes, the more grey goo there will be to consume even more. Without the Horus titans, the amount of grey goo that there is will always be the same, so it's not the apocalyptic scenario, it is possible to destroy all the robots because it's just one swarm. The main thing is that the Horus Titans turns them into the grey goo scenario, because they take in that biomass to transform into new robots, making it so that the more it consumes, more grey goo there will be. Even if the small bots brought more fuel for the titans, then we are dealing with the speed of the small bots to make the trip of going and coming back multiple times, it's not a spreading calamity but it takes on a pulsating wave pattern: they go, gather fuel, go back, then go further, gather fuel, to back, and so on and so forth. This is why I maintain what I said: the limiting factor of the Faro Plague are the Horus Titans, they are the ones that produce more robots and they are the ones that makes the Faro Plague a Grey Goo scenario, and they are the key to the apocalyptic proportions of the Faro Plague.

Sabotaged re-education cycle. I hope we can find Ted Faro's final resting place in the new game.....

I loved how grim the backstory was. You never see a sci-fi story were humanity went 100% extinct and had to be resurrected via cloning. And it wasn't a failure in the re-education system. Ted Fero erased everything related to re-teaching humanity because he wanted the next humanity to be more innocent and pure. It added to his character while still keeping him an ignorant idiot.

@@fattiger6957 RIGHT?! I loved how dismal it was. The initial revelation being that Sobek just was like “we are dead. We can’t stop it. We are all screwed and you did this. Now let’s make a plan so maybe the next people can survive, if they even will exist.” It’s such a genius take. People always try to save humanity. Meanwhile they made a game where it was a thousand years too late.

@@fattiger6957 Ted just pretended that this was his reason (pretty sure he even lied to himself). he actually just couldnt stand the thought that he would forever be known as the man who killed the world.

@@Apfeljunge666 Yeah I agree with that. Ted seems like a sleazy marketing kind of guy who got rich based on the work of his engineers and never really understood the tech. Then he kills the world and tries to run away from the blame.

Ikr when did cortana learn to do braids like that. Hot damn

​@@DarthAxolotl Yes.. must be the braids..

@@DarthAxolotl very impressive hair styling skills. I can never get it right.

Fapptana :v

@@Hecarim420 dude, no

Me too. I very recently finished it for my first time, so the feelings are still relatively fresh, but I remember that I couldn't tear my eyes off the screen. The story was incredible, the gameplay felt natural, and the animation of the machines was top notch (minus the cheesing of the rockbreakers which was just funny)

Star Control 2. Play it. Trust me...30 subplots

I'm currently halfway through it for the first time and I am 🤯🤯🤯

A nitpick, the line of robots that spawned the Faro Swarms is actually the Chariot line, hence the Egyptian names (Scarab, Khopesh, and Horus). HADES is the sub-AI to GAIA that was in charge of wiping life from the Earth if GAIA hadn't gotten repopulation right the first time, and when it broke off from GAIA, it saw the Faro Swarm as the way to do that, even though it wasn't necessary. The largest of the Swarm, the Horus, is roughly 300mx150mx100m, which is a LOT to produce, and the Horus units were the only ones that could produce other machines. The "tank" of the Swarm, the Khopesh, don't have an official size, but are maybe 20x5x5? The mainstay of the swarm was the Scarab, and these could repair members of the swarm, and were also used as a kind of infantry/shocktroops that would overwhelm enemies with numbers and mobility rather than sheer firepower that the Khopesh had. All in all, you make a good point, these machines are much harder to produce than nanobots, and would require a lot more fuel to do so. And, seeing as there's only a thousand to a few thousand Horus units with about 15-16 months left, doubling the number seems like a rush. I think Kyle underestimated the efficacy of the swarm in attack and moving (humanity is reduced to basically small arms and legacy combat vehicles that don't have many computers), but overestimated the efficacy of it's reproduction capabilities. While probably exponential in growth, even saying an exponent of 2 is a stretch, as most of the Horus units would probably be designated for production of Scarabs, some would be for Khopesh units, and only a handful would be for producing more Horus units. The Faro Swarm would also have to choose whether to make the Horus units in primarily urban areas, where there's more fuel but more risk, or dense forest areas where it has to cover more area to get the same amount of biological material, but the risk of being destroyed is much lower.

Even in the Cauldrons, the bots take a couple days (at least )to build. The Horus needs to get new materials for any new machines.

And we're talking about large machines as well. For the sake of argument, let's say one bog standard Faro bot has several actuators, fuel cells, logic components, and more that need to be in place. We're not even touching the armor plating or support skeleton yet mind you, which is simpler in comparison. Producing these components certainly takes time but also outputs a certain degree of heat as well. Refining materials takes some work indeed, and the nanotech needs to be programmed to carry all of the information required to produce the components, something no single nanobot can do by itself. Producing a murder bot is a large undertaking. For reference, producing the Sherman tank in WW2 was quite a feat of mass production, building 45 of them per day for THREE YEARS. We built more tanks than the Germans did in ten. The Faro bots could do it, yes, but even they have limits to production.

Enduring Victory slowed the robots down by a few days if i recall. The swam also wasn't just one type it was three. The Horus titan which had the capability of building the Khopesh which was the heavy hitter and the scarab which was the all around scout, attacker, hacking, and repairing bot. Plus they aren't just moving and 'eating' they are calculating. Taking data from each engagement, calculating, and re-engaging so that also takes time. Plus the fact they aren't actually eating everything. They are mainly consuming biomass for fuel and mining resources for building material. Note the drill tentacles on the Horus would be great for mining not just bunker busting.

This exactly. Came here to post this. Movement isn't everything, they need to actually produce too. These giant machines have a lot more logistics to cover than "simple" nanobots.

@@WhiteWingedDarknessX I remember (vaguely, at this point) she was in a collab between Kyle and Thea replicating CyberPunk options like the Mantis Claw...

The game is currently available on steam

voice acting can be hard if you don't have the right director that does not know much about video game voice direction. unlike animation, video games you don't really have true "scenes" to work off of (linear). games like Horizon are non-linear which makes it more difficult. it should be storyboarded out for them. but many "throw-away lines" are done without context or a storyborded. thus they are flat. but most of the time with game voice actors they come in and record their lines with out another voice actor there to play off of, maybe except for the major cut scenes. and the other problem is same lines used in different places that would need a different emotional emphasis to make it sound more real. but the same problem as always with video games that is memory space. doing the same lines 12 different ways takes up more memory and more lines coding to get the right one at the right time. not impossible just not worth the time and effort. however in HFW they seem to have worked on many other things they learned from HZD. but yet again, they dropped the ball in some aspects that where great in HZD but missed the mark this time in HFW. but over all they learned and put it into action.

And then you get shit like that utter chode in Meridian and his theories on the use of collector mugs...

The game wasn't that good, sadly. The writing was terrible, and they dragged it out horrendously so. Even if you went straight for all the story missions, you're in for a cycle of 40-minute tours of another generic sci--fi facility, no different from the last; and constant, overlapping information/exposition dumps, all leading up to a pathetic twist that sucks out any sense of disbelief the viewer has left. The game is good for a lot of reasons but when you have as much as it does, it all has to work together, otherwise most of it falls flat and doesn't feel like a consistent, immersive world. Which it didn't. Just another base, photogenic, open-world game with not much to do beyond a really intensive combat system and a potentially brilliant story told badly. Aloy and Sylens are the best part of the story, honestly.

@@Hysteria98 I see your point. Horizon at its core is a mystery game disguised as an action adventure. the combat is there to keep the player engaged while trying to figure out the mystery. that said. Horizon had to tell two stories. one is why and how the machines are here and what happened to the old ones. the other is current lore of the tribes. and to most that is a disconnect to the overall story telling, when all of it is only given in bite size pieces one at a time. if you care to read or even care to find them. when you do, it flushes out more of the over all story. yes I do agree it has a saggy middle. they needed more old world info between the proving and finding Olin. yet that is where they put all the current lore of the tribes. and that is where many players stopped playing and never finished. not because it was not fun to play. but did not have reminders of the mystery of the old ones or who Aloy is, to keep the player going. one could say a reason to keep playing even tho combat could be seen as a grind with no reason anymore.

In a data entry they come by sea so cut out using other routes to get to other continents. Also the Horuses are the size of mountains. They could potentially be bridges across valleys and their drill arms can make strait shots through a mountian.

@@DebTheDevastator even with those, you create a bottleneck. Still create delays

Thank goodness, the seas make so much sense. More heat dissipation and less human interference with your reproduction and advancement. I'd expect a kind of Frontline where the machines are expanding over land, and the sea basically becoming a robot infested nightmare.

@@lorelord2418 The seas shouldn't be very attractive, though, as the open oceans are more like deserts with comparably little life. Most of the biomass is located near coral reefs which in turn are located in shallower waters close to land. And the robots seemed to move in the direction of the closest "food" source. So they should follow certain paths rather than spreading out equally in every direction.

@@youtubevoice1050 sure, most life, but there absolutely is life in the deep seas. There's blobfish, whales, sea cucumbers, and a whole mess of other stuff. Just because it's less populated doesn't mean that it's dead. And so what if they mostly stick to the coast? It's still much more efficient than fighting on land, so you'd still expect them to surround the landmasses.

YES! I almost forgot about this!

I feel like it would still go down to waste heat. They were basically throwing fuel to the robots so they would have to take the time to consume it, which is pretty grim

I think that resistance gave them a few weeks at most, but those weeks were vital as the project had to be rushed because the machines were adapting remarkably well, every day was hard won with the blood of innocents but it allowed for the future of their world to continue.

Well the thing is, that the 15 month projected extinction time was if there was absolutely no intervention. It wasn't factoring variables such as resistances and offensive measures.

I think something along the lines of inverse of the exponential growth. So basicall it was relatively easy to hold back one rogue swarm in southeast Asia, but having no real effect in the latter months. Of course that calculation itself is problematic because we know that in the beginning they were feeding the swarms by sending hackable AI towards them. Also wasn't there some logs describing momentary sucesses at the shore lines? So maybe continental invasions from the sea were more problematic, than land warfare.

Lol, "as expected" 😂

I think that's a good point, but I think it also goes back to the farmer noticing the lilypad: when the problem starts, bureaucracy will limit a response. By the time the problem is big enough to outpace bureaucracy (the farmer notices), it's too late. *Disclaimer* I don't mean the real world limitations on violent responses are bad. There have been infinitely more scenarios of people yelling "we must act immediately and aggressively!" to limit scrutiny of terrible decisions than people correctly screaming we must act now without deliberating.

Well in the original game that kinda was the point, the humans weren't able to offer any real meaningful resistance.

@@thelaughingrouge they were able to slow the spread, though. That's why the lie that the zero dawn project was a weapon. They needed basically every human to continue to fight to buy as much time as possible.

Human resistance probably wouldn’t do a lot in the nanobot/grey goo scenario

And get this, i made them unhackable without a backdoor. Ain't that great Liz ?

@@Jordan_C_Wilde Ted: ow ya and i might have been an investor in far zenith and hired a few of their men. we need their backing after all their like me some of the most powerful people in the world. they have what we need. far zenith proceeds to hack and rob zero dawn Ted: my bad

@@kevind3974 whos far zenith?

@@samcochran8203 wont spoil shit. go play the second game

@@kevind3974 fair enough

The Faro Virus is a faulty design... I've seen better... Ones which can tango with even that of Gods.

Lol

My stylist will tell me to stop. Just stop as she's braiding my hair

I think we could get that to happen to Kyle, we just need to get this comment noticed

I do not think the horuses would be able to move very fast

Good point. And as far I was aware, the Horus Class was the only one that could actually manufacture new machines. The ground ordinance had the ability to repair and restock ammo with biomass conversion, but I don’t think they were capable of replication on their own.

@@guymanhumanperson I think they might be able to move faster than you think. Those tentacle looking legs were quite long and I’d imagine they have quite a long stride/gait once it gets moving.

@@DJNiems correct the Horus was the only one able to construct new machines.

@@seandicon Those were actually used for digging, not locomotion iirc

Very typical of for character who was never the one in control. Still, the Faro Virus is not impressive. Especially, when a bow can end it with ease. lol

@@absolstoryoffiction6615 Those could have also been exposed Faro robots, the ones that were subject to weather effects. A brand new Khopesh and Scarab might be a bit tougher.

And they kinda act on their own , so in my opinion , the process will be even slower

I love that you simply had to bring your personal love for old war planes into this hypothetical. I support it! Lol

My brother was the one that played H:ZD, but I'm pretty sure by the time of the Faro Plague those legacy aircrafts were either museum pieces or scrapped. From what I recall watching his playthrough, manned combat vehicles were a thing of the past because of the robots to the point that when Faro ordered the shift of manufacturing to manned combat vehicles, it took people by surprise because the truth of the glitch was never revealed.

@@urbypilot2136 They definitely were out of service or decommissioned entirely, but if the entire world is taking up arms against the same threat, then it stands to reason that there would be enough of a need to call them out of retirement and repair them, or just make new ones, to buy time. Enduring Freedom was just throwing manpower at the Swarm to buy time and distract if from Zero Dawn, but not everybody is capable of fighting, but they may be able to work an assembly line and tools to get some crude aircraft with some big guns and bigger bombs in the sky.

This person has participated in a DOD think tank before. The only other issue is, tactics of this kind, should not be made public, as the the "gray goo" will most likely now be aware of said tactics, and calculate to prevent them.

Okay this got a laugh. Nice. :D

its an important aspect that was left out. the swarm was slowed down considerably due to Operation Enduring Victory. They bought the team at least a month or two I would say.

I would upgrade and heavily change the Faro Virus to my own design. One, which can hold dominion over all of the 3rd dimensional material existence... "The extension of my Will, for I am Absolute." Let the mortals be the fools. In the face of Fate and Destiny, it is I who draw the cards... May all of Existence weave its final iteration. (I call it "Cyber Genetics". A creation with no real weaknesses. Evolving, adapting, assimilating with no limits, and Free Will, at least for the other Versions if given a form. "Proto Gene Zeta" is the only one for my personal use. As it is the extension of my very Will. Of course, it is also the Perfected version... ... ... Since I am its originator.)

@Dred, the Mad Smith: Do you want Keter-level SCPs? Because that's how you get Keter-level SCPs.

sounds like shoggoths. Nanites vs Shoggoths, one hell of a battle

maybe, biological organisms that can use the power the robots have to hypercharge their digestive system, don't think metal could equal to much energy, but maybe they would use it in building their mass

They will eat and convert each other until entropy wins and there's no usable energy left.

@@Jordan_C_Wilde So what your saying is, these fuckers will exist till untold billions of years. Pretty rad

the 15 month estimate was made before operation enduring victory was put into motion.

I think the most important part missed in this analysis is that the swarm components, the khopesh and scab units, are not actually self replicating. The only self replicating element is the Horus, and the scarabs and khopesh are really just resource gathering extensions of the Horus. That makes this very very different from aa grey goo scenario, and less than truly exponential

I'm here for it

Good idea

I concur.

Yes please.

Well the only plot hole that I can think of is how come none of the humans kept a record of the bunkers, or that we have to assume that in all bunkers the education program failed I found that hard to believe.

@@BombaJead the education program was deliberately sabotaged by Ted Faro

@@jackwilson4284 if I remember correctly faro only got rid of the history and culture part, the scene I mean by failed education is when we see thosr kids going rogue against the androids and then scaping to the surface, well that was in 1 bunker and I find it hard to believe the same would happen in all of them.

@@BombaJead Ted Faro erased all of Apollo. And then killed all of the Alphas minutes later. No one could stop him. The children or in this case young adults were arguing and fighting their android caretakers because they started to mak out with eachother and also wanted to go outside. Scince Apollo was erased centuries prior, they couldn't understand why they were forbidden to go outside.

@@BombaJead By the time they became young adults, they were supposed to enter the teaching area. Scince Apollo was no more, that area was of limits for them. It wasn't failed education. It was no education at all. Caretaker robots were not programmed to teach them social nuances of teenagers and young adults. That was Apollo's job.

And consumption rates of different objects, along with the heat efficiency of eating a plant vs a building for example

Also the whole United earth forces throwing every known weapon to man at the problem including more murder robots. (I believe the hive mind eventually hacked the good murder robots and that led to a cascading failure in earths defenses. But it did buy them a couple more weeks.)

@@georgehoyle8797 not every weapon known to man,atleast not in amounts to make a difference. All the planes and machines which had capability of not being affected by the Swarm had already been scrapped or used. Also so were a lot of guns and such. In the end it was just throwing untrained people with guns and rather "antique" technology by their standards at the machines

@@MaxC_1 Correct, and they couldn't use nukes, because the radioactive pollution would interfere with Zero Dawn

@@cha0sd3v3l ikr, consuming a mountain and turn it to fuel might take a whole lot longer then a simple forest

The darker side of that was that they told the fighters that they could beat the robots. Only the Elizabet Sobek and her team knew humanity couldn't survive.

​@@fattiger6957 What's the point in telling the truth if in either scenario they die. At least they can die knowing they fought back the inevitable, never knowing they never stood a chance from the start. If you told them the truth, it's probably more likely they'd not do anything about it and just die without stalling. At least stalling could have done something, maybe give time to start a different process. Going to Mars(not sure what the point would be here) or polishing the cloning process if it wasn't already flawless, I don't remember the game much. I mostly remember how terrible it ran on my computer, so maybe they didn't have anything else to do but wait for death.

I think it would be very little resistance

Don't forget to take into the equation the time that they would lose fighting the armed forces.

15 months is way to generous. 1: all of humanity fighting back. They suffer losses and the process is delayed. 2: it takes a significant longer time to break down, consume and convert a mountain to fuel then it does for lets say a forest or herd of sheep. 3: if temperature is indeed such an issue, they would look at the earth as an all you can eat buffet. Not rush in and consume. But take your time to be efficient in getting the fuel. By the time they reach the other side of the earth there would be nothing left to sustain themselves. Their AI is designed to keep going so what do you do? Consume slow enough that you ALWAYS have fuel. A.k.a let plants grow back, let animals reproduce.

@@cherrydragon3120 they didn't really break down mountains, though. that was more done in cauldrons after the fact, to create the robots in the game. besides, the fuel was biomass, remember? they weren't breaking down rocks to keep going, they were eating trees, sheep, and people. they pretty much had little business even needing to do anything with mountains, besides for clearing the biosphere - there's plenty enough metal in cities and whatnot to harvest to keep going, no mining really needed. and they weren't working on a 'sustainable' sort of programming, they were working on 'literally everything alive is the enemy' glitched out sort of thing. so no, their AI wasn't designed to 'keep going', it was designed to go in and fuck shit up. it just so happened that that stopped being limited to whatever warfront they were deployed to. besides, if humanity could really fight back in a 'meaningful' sort of way, we probably wouldn't have gone extinct.

@@cherrydragon3120 Well the thing is...their AI isn't designed to rely on biomass conversion extensively in the first place. It was an emergency measure designed to keep units operational even when unable to resupply for extended periods. The only reason it was unleashed to this extent was because the swarm glitched out and went rogue; they had no home base to return to, and thus were in a permanent starvation state while treating everything that moved as an enemy. They ate what they saw, though likely prioritizing the Horus Titan's needs as that is their main mass production, transport, and sieging platform rolled into one. They possibly did need to do a bit of mining to secure the raw metal needed for printing parts, but it might be more efficient to design them to recycle abandoned scrap weapons or building infrastructure? They're designed for automated warfare after all; where there is a battlefield there is always metal, no complicated ore purification needed.

problem is, the horus class machines, which are the factories of the swarm, are not only basically indestructible, but they are also relatively fast for their size, they don't have to be in the front lines, because they can crank out faro robots on the fly, and they don't have to stop moving to harvest anything, their tentacles are kilometers long, they just slow down a bit, as their tentacles mine out metals and other resources, and then accelerate to their normal speed once they are done, but the entire time they are still cranking out faro robots, and they are still moving forward, not to mention the rest of the swarm never slowed down to feed, they didn't have to, they just ate everything as they ran into it, and whatever they missed was devoured by the robots coming from the horus (which are never that far behind) or die due to toxicity and inhospitible environments due to the swarms advances, and its not like the ENTIRE swarm had to go backwards to deliver resources to the horus, they could just feed huge amounts of biomass into their largest units, the deathbringers, and have them sit and wait or go on a small march backwards towards the horus, or just have a small squadron of corruptors regularly go back to the horus with large amounts of biomass fuel, not to mention the horus could literally build more of themselves, so while at the start of the faro plague there could've been a dozen horus titans, and it is stated by the time they shut down, there were THOUSANDS of them scattered across the planet, that's thousands of factories producing machines far faster and more efficiently then any cauldron ever could, meaning they could probably just set up horuses every few miles and have them stripmine that entire area while pumping out robots, getting refueled periodically, and once the entire area is harvested, they move onto the next, building more and more of themselves and other robots, this swarm is literally the perfect planet harvesters, they can hack any technology, they can cross any environment, break down any bunker, strip mine any cave or mountain, harvest anything they need to continue building more of themselves, and they probably did, build more and more of themselves until the horus ran out of fuel, gaio also probably melted down many horuses or other machines for metal and parts to build her own machines at least early on, tho this is a theory of mine. horus also had emp charges to shut down any machines they didn't or couldn't hack.

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Oof... A centralized energy source is one weakness that... Honestly... Can be designed out with this technology. The Faro Virus is weak... It lacks true evolution... It is but a mimic of the Flood... When it can be more.

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Thruple?! Whos the third?

Indeed exponential growth hits logistical problems really quickly, I mean humans themselves are great example, potential to grow exponentially and yet our growth is slowing down.

I'm pretty sure the estimations are calculated at the wave front. In other words, all the robots are at the wave front.

@@thuggeegaming659 If ALL the robots are at the front, then there is not enough SPACE for them to keep growing exponentially.

@@NekuraCa Sure there is. The front isn't a 2D line, it's an area, but that area could be a line that is miles thick.

@@thuggeegaming659 And if they try to grow exponentially, that line will double in area, but not in length, so will be twice as thick, and still only getting resources at the leading edge. It is unsustainable.

By the end of it there is mention of there being thousands of Horus’s. 1 victory probably seemed like a big deal to those in that area, but with many more being created elsewhere, it was essentially useless in the grand scheme of things. Another Horus would likely have made its way over there and this time they all most likely died. Based on the recordings it seemed that taking them down was a long and difficult task. They had the power to create machines out of light. So to say that it was impossible to create that many Horus’s in that time. No it wasn’t. The overall bot population was very likely in the millions by the end of time. To be honest I think about it a lot at times. Just imagine how scary it would be, knowing bots are on their way and you have nowhere to hide when they get here.