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Why is it there are 13 plus thousand views and I was the 333rd like 👍🏼 and I see this all the time. This is the first time I’m watching your channel and with all the work put into it I just don’t understand why it’s so hard for people to press the like button if they’re gonna watch something. Do it before you forget at the end, you can always undo it if you hate it. 🤦🏻♀️ it’s the first thing I do when I decide to actually watch a video. And if something turned out to be totally insulting and or insane, I just unlike it.
The like button leaves everything you’ve liked on your “liked” button, once I’ve watched somthinf I don’t need ir to be stored in my profile. I only like songs I want to go back to and listen to again, other than that there’s no need to like videos I’ll watch once and never go back to. RU-vid needs a heart button so I can heart the video and not have ir stored on my profile in the liked section
I’m from Brazil . I will never forget this tragedy because my teacher’s nephew was on that plane , I still remember the prayer we did in her class. I was 10 years old but I will never forget the sadness on her face
I also know somebody whose young child was on that flight, returning to boarding school. He used to go to my school, but they had moved to Brazil and he was then enrolled in boarding school, in the UK. After a school holiday, spent with his parents in their new country, he was put on the flight back to the UK, going first to CDG airport in Paris, then connecting to a flight to LHR. But the flight sadly never made it to CDG. I can’t imagine their life now; he was their only son and eldest child and the fact that he was alone on the flight, when it went down… I just have no words! RIP, Alexander 💔
@@lennonsvrchannel News flash: Brazil has the second largest Christian population. It’s not like everyone is a devout Christian, it’s rather ingrained in their culture. You’re welcome
Very nice to have a section dedicated to the moment of silence for the victims. They always seem to dissapear in the statistics and dramatizations, but they are the most important in all tragedies.
Honestly, most of them would have been asleep and would not have known, given the fact the plane hit the water in a near level position. I do believe that there should be flight recorder microphones in the cabin. This should be made available to the public, to hold airlines and manufacturers to account.
@@michaela7100are you joking? I wish that were true but that plane mushed down to the ocean at a huge speed. The plane would also be violently moving from side to side. You think they just landed in the sea like a plane lands at an airport 😂
I used to teach english at a languages school at that time in Brazil, one of my students used to have english classes with me and french classes with another teacher twice a week. Long story short she was supposed to be on flight 447 but she changed her ticket last minute to another one a week later because she wanted to finish all the chapters of her book before travelling.... The week before the accident she was complaining to us of how much the company charged her to switch tickets, that extra amount literally saved her life.
Yes,everything happens for a reason and that reason is that God was protecting her and I also suspect that the reason this happened was that those people were and people and their demise was atonement for their evil deeds but that's just my spiritual opinion.I was told not to long ago that when I was moving from California to Florida when we got caught in a storm the only reason the plane didn't go down was because I was on board. That God has sent Archangel Micheal to help the pilot fly the plane.I was scared at first when the pilot announced that we had hit turbulence but that he would try to get us out of there as fast as possible,to hold tight and then all of a sudden the plane was out of there.When I found out that the demons that were trying to take the plane down to kill me had been beat I cried tears of joy now knowing how much God really loves me and how precious I am to Him.
@SmokinBidenPack ,so I was told by some experts I asked.I told them about that and they said that God sent Micheal to help the pilot to fly the plane.If you have a problem with what I was told then you can complain about it to them. Have a goodnight
My pregnant girlfriend had planned her flight on this day and flight to visit her family in Brazil, but fortunately had to postpone her trip by 2 weeks. I never forget this accident and how close it came for me to loose her and our firstborn child.
Imagine the feeling during those three minutes of the freefall. You can see the lightning, feel the plane descending. You know you are over the middle of the ocean, and you are not going to survive the impact. Truly terrifying.
I am a flight attendant currently studying to be a pilot. I like watching these videos to learn about prior accidents and they are so important for cabin crew to know. Rest in peace to all of the passengers and flight crew.
My brother in law, who is an airline pilot flying Airbus aircraft explaned to me, that modern airliners-especially Airbus models - are actually not meant to be hand-flown. The technology and design of these aircrafts is way too complex to be handled by the pilots. If everything works well, the computers can handle the aircraft much better than a human pilot could do. The pilot of an A 330 is primarily just overseeing and monitoring the autopilot flying the plane - he or she is normally not steering the aircraft at any time-only at take off, but not necessarily. He explained to me, that even for an expreriencerd pilot, it is very difficult fo hand-fly an A 330, if the autopilot does not receive valid flight data flying at high altitude and without any visual reference. The co-pilots is always blamed having caused the accident and being a bad pilot- but my brother -in-law says, that, being thrown in a situation like that, 90 % of pilots would run into problems as any manual input at this alitude may have dire consequences without correct flight data...sounds scary....
@@Iamthewarner557how on earth would you know? “Trust me bro, there is a sky daddy you have to spend eternity with, and he is the only true sky daddy”. Worship the sun, irrefutable creator of life, or worship death - who comes for all life. Allah is nowhere and nothing in life.
"Let's prioritize learning from others to ensure safer skies for everyone" is probably one of the best quotes I've heard in a very long time. Thank you for this video, I'm looking forward to watching more of your channel. :)
This was such a rookie mistake that every most basic training prepares you for that scenario first... there is just no excuse for what they did ! Three frightened pigeons, thats what they were!
@@sindoorbelic8036 Great job focusing on the negative that had nothing to do with my comment, buddy! I never said anything about the situation itself, just a specific quote regarding it.
@@h1ghm4int3n4nc3 Sorry I was really pissed because so many pilots have made this stupid mistake that they obviously didn't learn anything from others....
@@sindoorbelic8036 Absolutely horrendous. I don't think people who can't manage stress properly should be flying planes. I've seen other flight videos when pilots and first officers handle issues with a calm composure and the outcome is generally much better.
Two of my family are Airbus Captains/Check Airmen. After this accident (negligence), their companies ran every one of their pilots through scenarios like this and procedures to recover. The conclusion was that this crew crashed a flyable aircraft due to breakdown in cockpit resource management and communication. This has happened all too many times in the past.
Lmao "okay everybody, lets run a simulation on what happened, so we know what to do, even though we have the power of hindsight and already know what to do"😂😂
If he never pulled back on the stick the plane would have kept flying normally, the pitots would unfreeze, the IAS would come back and they could reengage autopilot and everyone would be fine.
@@billyd5749 it was the pitot tube freezing up which caused the computer to change from normal law to extended law, in normal law this couldn’t have happened as the computer would have interrupted, in extended law unfortunately the pilot had full control.
actually the passengers most likely felt nothing, just a turbulence or some light negative Gs, just the way the pilots didnt feel the Gs of the plane going down
Based on the explanation of that geographical location and the amount of flight hours the captain had, that was probably something he'd seen 100s of times.
Yes I always say this but no one else seems to think it. Dubois and bonin are on the same level of blame. He was too comfortable and decided to go through a storm that air force pilots would not have gone through if not necessary 😡😡
I watch a lot of these things. Air crash docs. And AF447 is one of the most if not the most heartbreaking, needless loss of life. Bonin had brain freeze - like when you look for your phone with it in your hand, or look for your spectacles with them on your head. He couldn't see what he was doing by overlooking what he was doing - only realising when it was already too late. Truly heartbreaking
To be fair, the flight director seemed to be telling him to pull up. I agree that he got locked into his preconceptions, but this was easier to happen than I thought before I knew the whole story.
This tragic accident affected me greatly. FO Bonin seems to have forgotten the basic principle of flying, that you need fast air flow over the wings in order for the plane to fly. If the plane is stalling it means not enough air is flowing over the wings, so you need to increase your speed by applying full thrust AND pitching the nose down by pushing the side stick fully forward. RIP to all the pax and crew.
This story is absolutely horrifying and tragic. RIP to all the souls on Flight 447. To the content creator, you absolutely nailed this account. Your storytelling, information gathering, format and respect for the lives lost is beautifully executed. You have talent good sir.
I honestly can't understand how the PIC can sleep, knowing the state of the weather condition. Even if he was feeling sleepy, the seriousness of the situation should have cleared his eyes immediately
The weather wasn't even a serious condition. Nothing was even wrong with how the plane was flying. The incorrect air speed reading caused the co-pilot to pull up on the controls for an extended period of time which caused the airplane to stall and drop out of the sky.
@@XYZ_55You're pushing all the blame onto Bonin when a flight is about teamwork. The co-pilot demonstrated anxiety about the convergence zone FOUR times and the idiot who was supposed to be in the lead ignored him. If he had stayed in the cockpit for another 15 minutes (estimated time to cross the zone) or respected the previous day's rest protocol for international flights, we wouldn't be watching this video now.
Yes I have flight anxiety. Yes I watch these documentaries which accentuate my flight anxiety. No but this must have been absolutely and utterly terrifying. Praying for the victims' families 🙏🏻😔
I’m not in the aviation industry and have no knowledge of it but from what I gathered from the video. It sounds like the pilots did not know how to correct failures in the flight induced by the bad weather. The best analogy I can think of is think of someone in car, driving in bad weather and suddenly their car hydroplanes…and then to correct the car from hydroplaning they over correct by aggressively handling the steering wheel.
@Rubin250I don’t get why the pilots didn’t think they were not in stall when the alarm was literally calling out stall. And another thing don’t hundreds of plans fly through that ocean during storms weekly so how could this have been a complete unexpected surprise that the petot tubes or anything else malfunction for a few minutes. I think one expert said in some documentary that all the pilots had to do was literally leave everything alone and not touch the anything. Crazy sad story
@@laylahahmad6468 the pitot tubes which deliver data to the sensors about air speed etc had become clogged with ice hence all the wild conflicting alarms both pilots got. Bonin kept causing a duel input alarm because he wouldn’t stop pulling back on his controls even when he agreed the other guy was in control of the plane. Bonin kept the nose pointed up which caused the stall and the plane fell from the sky.
In a nutshell, the crew knew how to turn on and turn off computers, but they did not know how to fly the plane. Technology is a wonderful thing, except when it becomes so advanced pilots forget how to do their job (or never learn in the first place).
Go to France and observe their customer service skills and work ethic (or lack thereof) and you'll understand. They literally had national protests over the retirement age going from like 58 to 60.....
It is hard to believe in 5 minutes not one of the pilots even sent a distress call. What if people survived the initial crash. They would have no rescue organised.
Easy! You can easily get them anywhere and in any capacity - look at the WH - two idiots are in there now - Biden and Harris - and look at the disaster we are experiencing as a result in the U.S.A.
@@hubertcumberdale2651 You cannot even back your silly French bashing with actual facts. The recent protest about the retirement age took place regarding a bill that changed the retirement age from 62 years old to 64, not 58 to 60. For the record, life expectancy in good health of workers in the lowest stratas is hardly over 60 years old. And the protests were also about our democracy given the fact the government carried on with its bill although 75% of French People, 90% of workers and even a majority of the parliament opposed the project.
I remember hearing about this one. Ultimately the plane crashed because of iced over pitot tubes followed by Bonin constantly pulling back on his controls(the last time of which he did it without telling the others) and basically locked Robert out by doing so. Both lost complete situational awareness but Bonin basically caused the crash. That’s terrifying and I pray that all those poor people are at peace.
@@susivarga7303Ok actually nobody cares about the victims then, already forgot what this video was about. Does that sound better? No? Then be glad that's not all you've heard. Nobody owes you condolences. It's genuine and heartfelt, far from hollow and that's a rare thing coming from most people. Be pissed at the 2nd officer who basically stalled the aircraft and never recovered it. The plane likely just dropped out of the sky and hit the ocean at no faster than terminal velocity. Totally avoidable.
I just like planes, but is so logic to me the wings angle attack lift and stall concepts. Poor guy, how could he get so lost pulling that stick back the whole time. Really sad story. RIP all those poor souls 😔
"A simulation exercise after the accident demonstrated that with no pilot inputs, AF447 would have remained at its cruise altitude following the autopilot disconnection." Damn
Its very scary that a trained pilot could be so incompetent with flying a plane they are in charge of. To constantly pull back on the side stick is just unbelievable.
Man I was furious to see what they did! Like three terified pigeons ! I have lots of flight sim experience to know that the most easy and most trained situation is stall recovery! They were at cruise level, they had 20 times to recover! I'm just furious and sad that such loss of life happened because of rookie mistake....
I think I’ve seen every plane crash & listened to every cockpit recording available on RU-vid, and I must say that only the suicide mission pilots infuriated me more than the pilots of this flight.
I think they are referencing the Germanwings crash in the Frennch Alps in 2015. The pilot locked the other pilot out when he went out to use the toilet & deliberately committed suicide & murdered everyone else by crashing into the moutain. @LucasDimoveo
To me, it's really just Bonin - once he finally says that he's had his stick back *the whole time,* the pilot almost immediately figured out the problem, but they were leaving 10,000 dropping like a rock by then, with no way to save it... I feel the same way as you - I actually got mad that Bonin is dead, so we can't ask him how a pilot doesn't realize that pulling the controls back for minutes on end in a stall is a bad idea. This is one reason I'm not a fan of the joystick on this plane - if there had been a yoke, it probably would have been noticeable that he was pulling back.
@@ShawnS14the video did an absolutely horrible job actually explaining the technicals of what happened, but the co-pilot literally stalled the plane out of negligence and crashed. They had some iced over equipment which caused them to lose air speed reading (which they got back but then did not trust) and this caused growing panic for some unknown reason. The captain finally realized what was going on in the last 10-15 seconds, in the transcript you can hear him start yelling to stop pulling up. Shouldn’t have left those two fools in the cabin alone.
@@theplatinumtakeoff6215you can’t use autopilot in alternate law, and you have to go to alternate law when pitot tubes are blocked and airspeed is unreliable. You don’t know anything about Airbus aircraft computer systems
@@ラーメンのボス What a strange question. Of course not. She is resting in peace in her grave. May I ask What did you mean by asking that? Where did come from zombies in you mind?
This is one heck of an infamous accident. It's incredibly frustrating, but I try to remember that the flight deck is not an easy place to be, especially under great stress. Sad nonetheless. Thanks for sharing.
This, I see a lot of comments putting blame and pointing fingers. But we're all human and sometimes our brains just...fail. Under stress we can go into a panic and freeze or otherwise lose all sense of direction and logic, in spite of any training or intervention. I try to remember the human part in this, Bonin didn't act out of ignorance, stubbornness or malice, he was a man whose brain just failed him. Already the cockpit of an aircraft is a high-pressure environment and when all those alarms go haywire I can't imagine the fear and stress that could cause, sometimes a person can't pull their cognizance back from that. Unfortunately this is just a case of stress causing needless tragedy
@@GrimFelArtexactly this. Plus there was multiple things to focus on plus the plane switched into Alt mode and iirc it wasn't an obvious notification so the craft to their knowledge was behaving oddly. Therefore with the on off stall warnings the Brain latches on to fixating in one problem in this case the rolls until it became too late.
@@GrimFelArtit wasn't ignorance or malice but it was gross incompetence. If one doesn't know how to do a job, or if one has anxiety or stress, and do everyone a favor and don't do it. Some people just want money or Prestige and that's selfish. That's like saying we should forgive a cop if he's stressed out and suddenly shoot someone. You don't take jobs if you don't have a high stress tolerance. Leave those jobs to people who can handle it. This is murder through gross incompetence and negligence.
@@SS-cd6iethe best police officers in the world sometimes fold under certain pressures…like the comment above you said “we’re all human” the difference between a cop and a pilot is a cop isn’t responsible for 200 people on an airliner…you act like Pilots are robots who are wired together in a lab or something smh pilots make errors just like every other job…there jobs are just more deadly
They couldn’t even fly the plane for one minute without autopilot in alternate law. Takes just one min for the pitotubes to clear. Other pilots have had the same scenario and they could fly without reliable airspeed for one minute. Thank you for the excellent video!
I’ve only ever experienced severe turbulence on a plane once, being an anxiety prone passenger definitely wasn’t helpful here. My ex husband & I were flying on the 2nd leg of our trip from SeaTac & our plane was quite small. We were headed to Bellingham, WA to see my ex’s father one last time as my father in law was terminally ill. This was in November & we were unaware of the storm severity in that area of WA state. We entered a storm with wind gusts of about 60mph, heavy rain & occasional lightning. The plane, a small aircraft which held maybe 40? people & was able to land more easily at the airport in or near Bellingham WA, a small airport consisting of a few “temporary” type buildings similar to some school buildings. The plane was shaking, had side to side rolls and would occasionally buck up & down. I didn’t take enough Valium to help with my fear of flying so I was crying & had dug my nails into the ex’s leg, not even realizing I was doing it. The ex, who had never flown before, took quite a bit of his own prescription of Valium & was completely unafraid. When the plane landed I heard passengers asking who was crying but I didn’t fess up lol! It turns out an off duty flight attendant was crying too, THATS never a good sign…yikes!
I’m from Brazil, and I remember this tragedy to this day. One of my professors from college was at this flight, a doctor, alongside with his family. RIP to all those who died that day.
Found the channel from the video about Helios 522 incident, thank you so much for the thorough explanation even for non aviation experts, respect towards the victims and overall informative rather than dramatic nature of the videos. Hope all the hard work that goes into your videos gets recognised more and more
Absolutely terrifying! I watch countless aviation videos and this one definitely had me feeling fear at a high level😩 I cannot imagine what they went through in those short moments before meeting their demise
I was in the Army 32 years. The last 22 years as a helicopter pilot. My final 6 years I flew a modern helicopter equipped with autopilot. All my previous aircraft (X4) were non autopilot. Essentially, what you’ve highlighted here is pilots that are not pilots, they are systems managers along for the ride. It’s dark, no horizon, no training and the moment the plane quit flying itself they were doomed. They were spatially disoriented, had no visual cues to assist in judging their airspeed and stalled the aircraft all the way to impact. I understand I have the luxury of not having been on that flight but it seems to me that a GPS could have given them a ground speed reading that could have made due as an indication of airspeed? 3 minutes from 38,000 feet to impact? Seems impossible but if you’ve never experienced spatial disorientation I can tell you that you have absolutely no idea of your position relative to the surface of the earth. Tragic.
Seems a lot of chaos on the flight deck with the engineer and the first officer doing opposing things. Very interesting video and it's a subject that fascinates.
1 - The pilot goes for a nap just before the plane enters a thunderstorm 2 - The co-pilot does everything possible to crash the plane _Amazing that the formal investigation did not clearly point that out. OR Air France acknowledging its pilots being the main cause of the crash_ 😥
I still think it was intentional. Noseup for 5 min is not called for in any flying situation. It defies all logic & he ignored several requests to F off but he kept taking over control. It was bizarre
An Iberia plane was close by and they were surprised when the Air France went straight into the middle of the storm instead of doing a detour, like they did. That was the first error.
@susana6622 I live on the northeastern coast of Brasil, and we sometimes have big lightning storms at that time of year, in April, May and into June. They coincide with the end of the rainy season.
The body only feels it's falling when there's acceleration variation. So, after they reached maximum acceleration, they just kept picking up speed, but probably didn't notice the fall. I think they were warned of turbulence and probably most were asleep.
These are the bits I find most interesting, hoping nobody knew what was happening. Would the stewardesses know? Why didn’t the captain come to the cockpit?
I watch and read about a lot of aviation accidents, and AF447 to this day is the most bone-chilling of all in my mind. Reading the transcript from the CVR is terrifying, the crew lost all situational awareness and was completely overwhelmed by all the contradictory alarms and warnings, to the point of paralysis. And yet, they knew: _"On va taper"_ It's utterly tragic.
This tragic accident affected me greatly. FO Bonin seems to have forgotten the basic principle of flying, that you need fast air flow over the wings in order for the plane to fly. If the plane is stalling it means not enough air is flowing over the wings, so you need to increase your speed by applying full thrust AND pitching the nose down by pushing the side stick fully forward. RIP to all the pax and crew.
@@andrewdinns1746 It was the crew, bad CRM, lack of training and faulty Pitot probes. Does Bonin bear more fault than his fellow crew members? In great part arguably yes he does. But stop pinning it solely on him. The captain did not manage the crisis properly either. The instruments sent confusing and seemingly contradictory alerts. A crash is the result of a combination of factors, not just a single one.
@@elanthysIt technically is one single person at fault, because even if all factors were the same minus Bonin it would have been corrected and the plain wouldnt have crashed. People aren't arguing that the situation itself wasnt flawed, they are saying if bonin didnt lose his cool it would have been fine.
@@sew_gal7340 You're proving my point. Change any single factor and the accident wouldn't happen. If Bonin hadn't reacted like he did, if the captain had grasped the situation better, if the pitot tube hadn't frozen, you can go on with hypotheticals all day long, ALL THESE FACTORS COMBINED caused the crash. I will not be discussing this further this is so obvious.
I appreciate the work you are doing here. No sensationalising of the crash with a calm and professional voice. I especially appreciate the moment of silence for the victims. Human lives were lost that day. As a safety engineer in civil engineering, fire prevention primarily, we have to be mindful human lives will be lost if we make mistakes. And as you stated we have to learn from our mistakes, but more importantly from the mistakes of others. A mistake that happened once is a tragedy. A mistake that happened twice is unforgivable. Thank you for summarising this event in a highly streamlined matter and directly referencing the results of the investigation. This is some important work you are doing here!
I've watched every air crash investigation, and you quickly realise one thing... Too many recent accidents are due to pilot error.... and those errors happen far more frequently at night. This is a prime example of just that... Of course, flying is really safe.. but i avoid flying at night where i can.
I'm a flight sim aviator and I'm shocked at how you could stall at that altitude and not be able to recover. Attempting to put on speedbrakes seems deeply incompetent. It was clear from the recreation video the aircraft was stalling, not overspeeding. When in doubt, push the nose down, especially if you are at high altitude and worried about a stall.
Bonin, the co pilot F***** up big time, because he stupidly kept pulling the stick back when they were stalling. This guy had no business being a pilot.
I'm not pilot but even I know not to keep pulling up when in a stall. Wasn't that the same guy who kept trying to control the aircraft when he was meant to have handed over though? Sounds like he went into a complete panic.
I lost my uncle on this flight, he just got married the year before. It's the first time I heard about the details of the incident since I was a child back when the event happened. I just knew that we all had hope for the first two days that the passengers can still be found alive.
Exactly, I feel the same way. I was 23 when it happened and had an important exam the next day. Thankfully the exam went well, though my thoughts definitely were elsewhere.
Some opportunities, such as obtaining a commercial pilot license, should not be accessible to everyone. It is evident that there are one or two pilots who are too incompetent to operate an aircraft full of passengers. They are so inept that they even forget the basic rules.
@@christerry1773 to be fair a pilot controlling an Airliner should be able to hand fly a plane for 60 seconds without entering a stall which he then aggravates and sustains for 38000 feet…
@@Anngus_ agreed but take into Account the situation here. With no warning loosing all vital instruments, not knowing what was valid. Traveling 500 mph through turbulence at night(total darkness) Then having a stall alarm that would stop chiming when the stick was pulled all the way. And the flight director indicating to pull up.
One Turkish lady died on this plane crash after 2 years they found her body and coincidentally i was passing by a mosque in İstanbul and i saw her funeral her name was Fatma ceren necipoğlu. İ never forget this coincidende since 12 years.
I think some sympathy for the pilot and FO's is deserved... It must have been incredibly disorienting to be flying into one of the more notorious and remote oceanic stretches of severe weather with icing, complicated by an indicated airspeed mismatch -- and then suddenly the flight computer dumps them to alternative law 2. I can't imagine the fear when your avionics start throwing errors and you're questioning even the basics, knowing you have hundreds of souls depending on you just behind the cockpit door. Flying in the dark without a reliable airspeed indicator, no functioning stall warning you can trust, and now you're doubting the other avionics on your cluster... that would be terrifying (I'd imagine, I'm not a pilot). I agree - It took them way too long to arrive at the diagnosis of a stalled condition - but you can tell from the cockpit voice recorder that they weren't sure if they were stalled or not, and/or overspeeding the airframe or not, and I guess the prospect of nose down to re-coordinate the airflow over the wings scared them, or didn't occur to them in time while they still had 30k of air between them and the ocean. The FO had the stick pulled back for nearly the entire time. The same FO that kept inputting dual inputs (and frankly, inputted the first offending nose up input for no reason) despite multiple requests to clear the inputs and give control to the left seat showed extremely poor judgment. It seems easy to diagnose from here, they're giving full power with a nose up attitude - but they are not climbing. What else could it be but a stall? Control surface icing? Some esoteric flight computer bug? But overall, I agree with you and the video - ultimately the lack of familiarity with emergency preparedness procedures, and inability to diagnose and troubleshoot in the moment is what lead to the failure to recover from the stall, and tragically, the loss of so many lives.
Because of Bonin’s unshared decision to keep the nose up and in the stall, they were focusing on other areas to solve the problem and keep the plane flying. It almost seems suicidal in truth. By the time the Captain was informed of Bonin’s choice, they just couldn’t recover.
This awful tragedy i will never forget, so many pilots are useless and should never be in control of a plane, its the most scary thing about flying. Sitting in a plane with a bad pilot
I realize that there are multiple factors to this tragedy but holy shit that 1st officer (co-pilot?) is incompetent. Multiple times he was told to remand the controls and multiple times he ignored the order and started giving his own inputs, which caused even more problems.
Its kind of appalling how such a mistake that is easily identifiable and prevented, even occured. If you are having poor roll and yaw control, are nose-high and/or attempting and failing to to go nose-high, all while dropping altitude, it is very blatantly apparent, excluding potential for some sort of mechanical failure, that the aircraft is in a stall. And the aircraft itself already had its stall indicators triggered, which should have alarmed the pilots. Recovery should've been automatic to the pilots. Stick and throttle forwards to nose down and increase airspeed and regain control. They had so much time and altitude to perform this recovery. And when one of them finally DID attempt, the 1st officer (who had mostly got the aircraft into this situation in the first place) doesn't release the controls despite saying so. It's a shame that somehow this was even allowed to have happened. Training should have made such a simple mistake very simple and fast to correct, but all the textbook WRONG (particularly holding the stick back for nearly the entire descent) answers were used. Thats the most depressing part. How something very simply recognized, countered, and prevented, with all the information at their disposal...was not on any of those counts, resulting in this awful loss of life.
My drill officer in the Russian army loved to say that in case of an emergency your skills don’t rise to your expectations but fall down to your level of training. We can see now what the actual skill level of the FO was. Bible says that everyone’s work will one day be tested with fire. Voila…
I worked on jumbo jets, all programs at the Everett Boeing plant for 8 years, and I’ve only been on one flight in my entire life in the early 2000’s on a middle school trip to New York. And I don’t think I’ll ever go on one again. I have frequent nightmares of being on a flight and it losing control.
Me too! Terrible nightmares! If I have to fly, I sit in utter internal terror the whole time. I always pray to God to not let me die in a plane crash. Even though I trust God and know I would be with him, hearing the terror of others would still cause me great pain in my final moments if this were to happen. I try not to fly if possible, but there are times I have to and I do not enjoy a single second of it! Rip to these precious people who lost their lives! 😢
@@headcreeps2138The logic behind this kind of thing is that you can easily survive a car crash but if the plane goes down you are going to die no matter what
The video quality and commentary is exemplary. I wish you had given the conclusion that this was truly pilot error as flying a plane level without auto pilot is a basic requirement which one pilot decided to ignore.
@GhostPlaysCodm yeah thats crazy. Especially considering they have to recover the box from mangled wreckage. Plus, at those depths. That's a big mission! If I didn't know any better, I would have thought that was impossible to do.
This channel is awesome. The dual imput should tell the pilots that something is not right. This crash was very sad but preventable. One of the copilot should have gone to the captain and wake him up. RIP to everyone who lost their lives.
This tragic accident affected me greatly. FO Bonin seems to have forgotten the basic principle of flying, that you need fast air flow over the wings in order for the plane to fly. If the plane is stalling it means not enough air is flowing over the wings, so you need to increase your speed by applying full thrust AND pitching the nose down by pushing the side stick fully forward. RIP to all the pax and crew.
Yea out of all the airplane disasters documentaries I’ve watched I feel the most anxiety from this one it’s like I can feel those panic from the confusion and knowing the plane is going down especially when one of the pilots says “this can’t be true”. Everyone is in disbelief from the actions of FO Bonin but i kinda feel bad for him. I think one explanation might be that he panicked the way we would if we’re about to crash into wall quickly press the brakes too hard
@@Robert_N I don't know about that. There is basically only one thing you can hit when in a plane and that is the ground and sea so him pulling the nose up is like him trying to avoid that ie putting on the brakes. But in the case of flying it does the opposite. Although putting the nose down would be accelerating to the ground which is why he was doing the nose up
In a car, you slow down to avoid crashing. In a plane, you must speed up. Always remember that. Pointing the nose up only slows the plane down more. The pilot was grossly incompetent.
So the passengers were rocked like crazy all the way down! Because in a French article they were saying that the free fall was smooth and the Airbus remained fully leveled, up to the end.
No matter how many times I read,watch or hear about this disaster it still blows my mind how elementary the issue was and much like American 587 its another great example of how too much of anything is bad..even a solution because if u use it too much you may find yourself and your solution as the reason whatever was troubling to begin with, continues to trouble you and possibly trouble you worse than it was originally...Bonin, god man I always stop short of judging him cuz i only judge scum and i know almost certainly that he didnt do this on purpose but damn man so many lives lost over something that shouldnt even trouble pilots with their level of experience..it always trips me out to think of the people on that flight that fell asleep expecting to wake to the day and France only to never wake again...thank u as always for these videos man i really do appreciate every one of em
@@bardlover6 Yea but that's one of the areas I'm still kinda confused on..cuz I've seen and read reports from aviation experts saying it was pandemonium when they were falling and then others who think it was stable enough to where many didn't know what was coming..from what I know and the orientation and rate of Descent I'd think their descent actually wasn't that rough, those awake and especially frequent flyers, specifically on that route would've probably noticed the sound of the air moving over the plane was abnormal but I don't think they knew what it meant or had enough time to process it as something serious before the plane crashed so I think some were asleep and those awake most of them I don't think even noticed an abnormality but maybe a few knew what was happening and I can't imagine what it was like for them
Regardless of the auto-pilot disconnect, and potential lack of training, one of the most basic situations that any pilot MUST understand how to manage is a stall. The attitude indicator was functioning properly and indicated a stall, and yet the PF made the exact opposite inputs than any training will dictate that you should make - namely he pulled the nose up, instead of pointing it down which would have abated the stall almost immediately. There simply is no excuse for this to happen. It is mind-boggling that a crew of a major airline, in an advanced aircraft that is functioning properly, could allow this to happen. Lack of CRM, poor airmanship was the real cause of this accident. The number one rule in aviation is "Fly the Aircraft," and they did not do that.
This! I already replied to another comment that Bonin's behaviour is absolutely baffling to me. Everyone who ever flew a decently made flight simulator (even if it's only on a desktop PC) knows that constantly pulling up is going to stall a plane. It's basically one of the first things you automatically figure out when you're new to flight simulations.
Once they finally called the captain in from his rest period, he diagnosed the problem within seconds, but sadly they had waited too long, and it was too late. As for the other 2 pilots, no matter how much training and simulator time with accident scenarios and psyc evals, u never know, how they will react in an emergency, until theyre in it. The senior FO made 1 real mistake, he didnt clearly state "my aircraft", but except for the actions of Bonin, he would highly likely have managed the emergency just fine. Bonin however turned out to be 1 of the ppl, who may score high in training, but in a real emergency their brain pretty much shut down, and they forget everything and usually do most or all things wrong. I once worked with such a person, thankfully not in a job with lives at stake, but he was good at his job, always seemed competent and well educated, but the 1 time, where things suddenly crashed in on us, he couldnt handle the stress, and he became another obstacle. Unfortunately, he also turned out to be 1 of the ppl, who cant admit, they f'd up, so afterwards he was extremely defensive, even aggressive, in his defense of, how he certainly did everything right. Lets just say, he didnt work there much longer. But until that emergency, there were no signs of any of that. Personally, Ive been in crunch situations a few times, and Im 1 of the lucky 1s, where everything just seems to narrow in and allow me to focus and do, what needs doing, but afterwards Im a wreck, shaking all over with the adrenalin shock. That scared me a bit the first time, but once I knew, how I react in an emergency, I could handle. We're all different, and its easy to say, how we would react in an emergency, but the truth is, we never know, until we try it. Sadly, Bonin did not react well.
@@EinFritzMitXI read the ice build up in the pitot tubes caused false readings and depicted the aircraft loosing altitude hence why he was pulling back on the side stick?
When we as passengers board a plane, we take advantage of the fact that we assume our pilots have been expertly trained for every type of emergency... we would never in a million years think that our very lives would be at risk due to a lack of manual flight training. This was both heartbreaking and so avoidable
tbh I can see how the crew was confused. Flying through a storm, sensors freezing up, not knowing which displays or audible warnings are accurate, no visual cues, and a very short time to correct easy to make mistakes. It's easy in hindsight to understand their faulty decisions but it all happened in 2-3 minutes before the plane was doomed.
I can sort of see that, especially the captain coming back and being overloaded with all these alerts and nobody briefing him, but initially - that FO should never have had control if he can’t hand fly for 60 seconds, that’s insane. 16 degrees AoA for seemingly no reason at the start is just nuts. Did that guy even look at his ADI? And all that excessive roll, I was taught within 10 hours to stop over controlling. A commercial pilot shouldn’t be experiencing pilot induced turbulence
@@Anngus_ Yes you're right he did a very poor job I'm sure he'd never been put in such a difficult situation before and, up to then, been relying more on the automation of the aircraft instead of manually flying the aircraft. Even the most seasoned of pilots may get into a tough situation and make decisions where you wonder how he got all those thousands of flying hours without crashing. THere's a video on YT where an F-15 pilot has an in flight emergency, a fire in the engine, the strict rules were to immediately dump the aircraft and eject but he panicked and flew to the closest air base, landing way too fast, blowing out the tires and finally right before he runs out of runway he ejects and never flew again. Well, he was one of the most experienced fighter pilots in the world with over 4,000 flying hours in the F-15. That's 4,000 hours in an advanced fighter jet that cost about $12,000 an hour to maintain. You can do the math.
Their situation called for what's referred to as a "known pitch and power" response. Meaning a known setting that you know is conducive to safe flight. They panicked and froze.
@PabloGonzalez-hv3td I don't think they panic and froze. Robert was chilled at first because its probably something easy to handle when he saw Bonin couldn't solve it he took sole control but I guess the damage had already been done.
This is amazing. I love the effort put in for details. I understand that due to simulator limitations, you had to replace the exact aircraft model with the A330 Neo, but that’s out of your control
Turbulence really give me anxiety and I cannot rest if I experience it on the flight. This is the reason why I don't enjoy riding planes. You know if a vehicle on land crashes, you have higher probability of survival. But planes in the sky? I doubt it.
Whenever someone says that flying a plane is safer than driving a car THIS is the point I bring up too. Yes, it‘s safer. But i‘d rather experience a car crash than a plane crash. The mere image of possibly dropping down from the sky knowing that you‘re GOING to die is horrifying.
