Hot Take: Kuro Games Is Being Too Nice. | Wuthering Waves Patch 1.1, Early Yinlin, Dev Notes & More 

I feel like its hard to say. They could be too nice or we could just be used to being treated poorly from other developers. Either way, them showing their support and hot fixing issues week one made me spend more money than I originally planned. If there are other people like that then it could be a good thing

I think Smack misunderstood what the "grindy" part in farming echoes is. In my experience as a level 36 player, running around and farming echoes is totally cool even if I don't get the main stats I want. The problem comes when I do get the main stat I was looking for, and now I need to spend 60 of my 240 daily energy to get one random sub-stat, and that's while I have 992 purple tuning materials and 880 blue TMs that are totally useless. They should at least allow us to convert them to golden ones. Edit: at union lvl 40 players go from spending 60 energy to get 10 golden tuning materials to 15, so you go from 4 random sub-stats a day to 6.

Game developer here. I can see your perspective let me add some food for thought. Heavy rng systems have a down side. We were taught if you want to prolong lack of content, ramp up the rng. However if its to bad you cause long term burn out. See if players play and say to themselves: why should i grind for this thing im never going to get? They then quit. Now apply this thinking to the rewards of WW. The increase is to off set the cost/rng ratio.

On the point of grindyness, you're missing the point that Pokke and some other people have raised, which is echo xp and tuners. Sure, nobody should have perfect builds at day one, but the amount of resources required to level AND tune echoes will make it so that nobody has perfect builds even at day 600, and the fact that you cant feed low tier echoes into gold echoes makes it even worse. When you think about it on the casuals POV, which allegedly are the majority of every gacha's player base, there's no way they'll have a single solid team in the foreseable future, and when your account doenst progress it feels really bad for anybody, even if you dont give a single flying fuck about endgame and meta.

as other people said: Players don't know what they are doing, but content creator don't know what developer are doing.

Kuro Games is trying to glue players to the game by creating a reason to return every few days. Gifts, events, compensations, banner advancements and the already existing in-game unlock mechanics. They are spaced out in a way that players are motivated to come back repeatedly even if they have already finished the story. Kuro Games understands that the launch honeymoon period determines how well their game does, especially with ZZZ coming in 2 weeks. Their only opportunity to "catch" players is now and only now.

The problem with the echo XP is that the jump from UL 30 to UL 40 is barely an upgrade and is actually kinda bad. You can get less drops than you normally get on UL 30 and on average you get about 1k extra XP per run. That's where the problem is. I understand you don't want everyone to build too fast, but 1k for 10 whole levels is way too low. Having to spend 2 full days worth of energy on 1 single echoes that'll most likely roll like shit is not good. The drops for sure needs to be tweaked.

6:53 so im just going to comment on what i have heard up to this point since I really need to go to bed. As of this tage in the video, perhaps you evaluate on that later on. But us of what i have heard thus far, you we’re talking about this “wall” that every gacha game has, having a period of time after progressing a bit into the game where you start approaching the endgame and all of a sudden the game overwhelms you with many things to do and grind in order to be at a more stable point eventually when you do reach the endgame. Me personally, i think that even if everyone else does that it doesn’t make it a good approach to how a player should have his long term game progression looking like. I think that this ideology of game devs to make this sort of “transitioning “ phase towards the endgame this “wall” is false at its core, being to my opinion a very unenjoyable time period as a player trying to see continuance progress and have the feel of progression in the game especially for a new player. So, me personally, i think that instead of putting this “wall” or phase in the game to begin with is wrong, and rather i think a more balanced distribution of materials, power and level requirements and grind per day cost among players coming and progressing through your game is a much better approach to developing a progression system before ultimately reaching the endgame. Maybe im just yapping over nothing but i feel like this is exactly the community to voice anything that could be on my mind on game related dilemmas and i hope to hear everyones’s opinions on the matter..

Smack, for me, I think Kuro knows what they're doing. They are showing to us that they want their game to feel less of a gacha, in order to promote faster progression and give players a faster pace to reach the endgame, wich is what they did in PGR. That game basically focus more in the endgame and combat. FOR ME, this is perfect. Less gacha (grindy grind, pulls, etc), more gameplay. HOWEVER, I agree they need to be listen to GOOD feedback, like the echo lvl up resource. Farming echos is OK, probably doesn't need to change, but leveling up the echos is a PAIN IN THE ASS, worse than Hoyo grind systems

Cold take my guy, taking a whole day of stamina for 4 sub stat unlocked is absolutely not a good experience, they needed to adress this

I personally feel like it is important to run into a wall in these kind of games so I partially agree BUT : at union level 30 ? It is way too soon especially considering the fact that the max union level is what ? 80-90 or something like that ? Brother it’s way way to early, I think the pacing isn’t it in this game YET..

No, the first weeks and months of a game will make or break a live service game. We don't know the numbers or feedback Kuro has gotten behind the scenes, but they understand that if they lose a good chunk of players, they may never get them back. If they keep them playing, that means that not only they may convert them to spend in the future, but also encourages other people who already spent to keep spending. Any of those early freebies is a small price to pay to get players to progress to a point they may decide to ultimately continue to play far into the future.

A resource grind isn’t an enjoyable game. A game is enjoyable when you play good game content. You’ve been suckered into the gacha style game. If you want to make echoes a grind to get good stats - don’t double up by having to use resources sparingly to even get stats. They should have good game modes for players to spend their hour or two - not waiting around for a resource.

I get what you are saying. We also need to allow them to breathe, but also all the fixes are good in my opinion. Going forward its important for them to stay in tune with their identity.

personally feel the game should be less about the grind, and more about the end game content. So the changes towards echo stuff is well appreciated. Current tacet rewards are... pretty much garbage... and spending a full days worth of stamina on like ... a handful of exp for echoes... and thats not even counting getting good rolls on tuning... doesnt feel worth trying to perfect stuff lol

my hot take about "kuro is being to nice": i think alot of gamers are just not used to being treated like that. this is legit the way how a dev team should treat the community from the own game, with the helldivers 2 drama (if ppl know what i mean, what still is not fixed but whatever) i opend my eyes and changed my thinking on some gaming area's. the game, the dev team need US gamers, not the other way, but some dev teams (like genshin dev's) thinking the gamers need the dev team and the game and this is NOT how it works. this is like a toxic relationship where the players are on the abused side and genshin dev's on the abusing side and the sad part is, the dev team are the reason why the genshin players are being like there are BECAUSE the dev team treat the game and the community like that. so that being said the ppl being blind of "love" and deffend his abuser but at the same time there know in the subconscious its not fair, like why a other game dev is allowed to being like that to the community yet at the same time the dev team from his beloved game are being like that to his community and this push the envy and why there jealous about, in this case, wuthering waves. (befor that it was honkai star rail, you know that i just say doctor ratio and alot of the other stuff) sorry if its hard to read, english is not my nativ language but i tried my best to say what i wanted to say and bring my point on the table. thanks and cheers

Can we get the devs to add buff indicator? I still could not tell what or which buff is on my character, lol.

I would agree that kuro is being too nice, but after a botched start up they are in a situation where they have to overcompensate. Hopefully this isn’t setting up high expectations for when something else happens

Before watching the video. Yes they are being too nice but that's from the global perspective only. They seriously need to gain the trust they lost from players in China and Japan and obviously they can't do stuff exclusive to them.

I appreciate the rewards however i do have concerns being generous this early will set a precendant for an expectation in the future. If that expectation isnt met for some inevitable issue in the future, the backlash may be even worse.

I think you guys are not seeing the big picture here. Kuro games is basically taking on three big games from Hoyo. If they keep the current schedule of Yinlin's banner and 1.1 they will absolutely be swamped by the big banners of Genshin and HSR (Furina rerun and Firefly) and having their next patch coincide with ZZZ means they're clashing with the launch and future ZZZ updates. Moving back both the Yinlin banner and the 1.1 is a smart move.

I wouldn’t say they’re being too nice, in fact, weaponizing hoyoverse(specifically the genshin devs) incompetency is kuro’s biggest asset right now. After the “shaky” launch, I feel like a lot of this is supposed to be “damage control”. I had no issues so far, but all of these QOL’s and out right generosity is always accepted. Keep the QOL’s coming, but I agree, these notes r good, they do need to filter the good and bad feedback.

From a dedicated PGR player, this is Kuro's standard procedure. They are extremely generous and humble. The only time we'd really had a problem was when they tried to force English dubbing /songs on global and they have since fixed it after only one patch. Honestly the only real problem with WuWa is the lack of Vanguard sound studio.

L take bro. Youre just used to games like genshin not caring about their players experience. They are trying to solidify their market share even though they had a shaky start and as we can see.. its working!

When it comes to less grind Kuro is most likely catering towards the cn and jp audience since they play gacha's for alot less time then US players. CN and JP also spend ALOT (im talking double or sometimes even triple of all of global combined) more on the game which is wise from a business standpoint to cater towards them compared to US who preaches f2p and not spending. Personally I feel at some point the echo grind will get tiresome for alot of players maybe 1 or 2 months down the line mainly because there's alot more rng when farming echo's compared to farming artifacts in both genshin and star rail imo, since you can't see what stats it will roll.

Reading the comments, realizing Gacha is a rare breed. I swear so many people cannot look ahead. Feel like everyone wants great builds to complete the tower already. That and people want this game to allow you to MMO no life grind. Only MMOs should be expected to have content to farm hours a day every day. In a month's time (if the buffs are significant) so many people are going to be complaining "nothing to do" and I am just going to face palm like no shit. These poor devs are going to be expected to make so much more content than HSR has ever had to (not going to mention Genshin bc ya it should be more than that). I am not saying leveling echos is good rn, but I am worried they are going to make it too easy. If it were the exact same amount of echos you can level per day as HSR, I bet people still would think its way too slow because we get significantly more echos that we can level than relics/artifacts in Hoyo games. And I compare to Hoyo because I did not see any vids complaining about relic/artifact leveling like this. The only thing preventing everyone from getting insane 4 cost echos is how much restriction is on leveling. I do disagree slightly on Gacha's grindy question. Not everyone has hours to play a game each day. I personally think there should be an enhanced daily drop chance for each echo cost group that players can use up quickly to get a decent amount of echos and then those of us that want to play a long time can grind them out. And yes, I went very typing yapping etc.

Kuro will provide you 5 stars every patch but they will kill you in 5 star skins... Kuro are not playing regarding skins they will get your money and you will be happy.

I would like to hear your thoughts but 30 mins is too long man holy yappening

Interesting ... first point he addressed in the dev note is alrdy a completely wrong understanding. As if collecting echoes is the only part of the grind ... who cares about echo exp and tuners. 💀 And the fact he starts out the vid by calling ppl out for "not knowing shit about RNG in games" while he fails to get the easiest things himself. :/

I honestly feel im in a good state in the game right now personally. Im not sure of others or how they feel. Union lvl29 and ive got a roster of great character that im sharing resources building each of them. Im still having fun building as thats my favorite parts of the games. I feel we've gotten way more awards than normal and my pulls have been pretty lucky so far. I dont expect to be avle to build my whole roster in the first 2 weeks. Anyways its veen a good experience for me this far

The problem with the echo system is 1- There was no way to convert blue or purple tuners to legendary tuners. In other games you can straight up use the blue/ purple materials you get from overworld and artifact domains and fodder them directly into the legendary pieces. This means you are left with a bunch of tuners which is straight up useless on your account and you get purple drops every tacet field run but they literally have no use. 2- The problem doesn't lie with the amount of echos you get. The problem is purely the xp 3- The amount of energy you need to consume per tacet field run is way to high considering the low amount of rewards it yeilds. In HSR you can do 6 runs per day but in this game you can only do 4 runs costing 60 energy each to yeild 10 tuners which is literally one stat on a single echo. You need 5 tuners per echo and 5 echos per character. That means you need a staggering 1,500 worth of energy, a literal whole weeks work of energy just to tune each echo on a single character and the echos being remotely useable isn't even likely. Its very likely that 1500 will be a complete waste and you will get back barely anything compared to what you invested xp and tuner wise. The echo change was much needed and thats the honest truth.

No. If you leave the game in a negative state and your not being seen as a brand caring for your customers you will lose customers. My example is i when I had a chance to play Genshin or HSR i chose HSR because i saw how stingy Genshin was with their customers and how HSR seemed to value their customers more. E6 Acheron later...... Now with Wuthering Waves, im spending even though I can't play on PS5 yet. I want an account ready to go when I can finally enjoy the game to its fullest. But their show of care not to lose a large customer base has kept my interest to enjoy this game when its fully fledged.

I think they are not being too nice its all dmg control and its all business I ahve confidence that they have the numbers thats why they push Yinlin early. Whats more concerning is people not realizing or understanding that they wont always be getting this special treatment maybe we will be getting extra rewards but not to the size of giving 5* willi nilly, if you think noone is this stupid you would be surprise

know your shit first then make a video.

Kuro listens to feedback but the issues are what Kuro are compensating for. If it were not for the issues, people would have a lot less to complain.

What about the useless blue and purple tuner tho? Can we at least change it to gold like 3 to 1 or smtg?

I think kuro games know better then anyone what they are doing with their business. And we as a community should be greatful and compliment them. Not like - yo your giving us too much, this a bad business plan.. Mr.Pokke had the truly genuine(relatable) reaction 😂😂

knowing kuro its nothing new, from my experience with pgr, theyre pretty neutral and just highly attentive although it took time, as it is what make or break the game they had to compensate what had inconvenienced the players

as a long PGR player, this is what kuro games always has been :) They're always this generous and responsive to playerbase

Smack there another reason why they are doing this they are at war with hoyo. They are anticipating a zenless zen zero release that's why they are generous and besides white knights of kuro games are saying that kuro is really generous since pgr. So that is really their style. All i'm saying is they are not idiots. There is a team planning this and let them cook.

RNG and grind always has the edge of enjoyment. There's a point where you don't want to do this anymore and it's subjective. The truth is that there is too much right now in case of echo grind overall. Taking everything into account, amount of time to grind echo rarity and main stat, earn very limited echo exp and tune them with very limited gold tuners just to reveal substats will burn many players. I'm sure some players quit already as soon as they realized how echo leveling work. Changes has to be done.

I just uninstalled the game. Honestly after playing it for a week, I was already at a point where i was just logging in, doing my dailies, spending the energy, logging out - Playing Wuwa already just felt like a chore. I know that optimally you should also kill every mob on the map, go to someone else's world, kill every mob again yada yada, I personally can't be bothered to do all that. I feel like the game is just not worth the time I have to put into it if i want to keep up and at the same time, the story and characters are not interesting enough to get me to stick around. Playing it on mobile certainly doesn't help as the 30fps felt like a 20fps with alot of frame rate issues and the graphics felt like I was looking at the screen through a layer of mashed potatoes.

People: Devs are not listening, rewards are so low. Also people: Devs are offering too much, this is not good. I'm sick of people without satisfaction. It's true that YOU CANNOT PLEASE EVERYONE.

People want to beat the game in one week, as per usual.

I just hope ppl aren't being too *blinded* by the amount of rewards being given to us and be greedy about it, as someone who plays Wuwa despite lots of lags and crashes on my phone, im fine if they give us rewards but im not here to play the game just for the rewards, im here to play it for the story,qol, combat,etc. I just hope the devs can fix the problems

i think the biggest mistake that they made with the oche sistem is letting us get 5* echoes at lvl 30 instead of lvl 40/50, that's why it feels grindy because we are in a point that we don't get enough stuff to lvl those echoes but we wouldn't have this problem if we didn't have 5* echoes in the first place

This chat is full of little kids. All of you will be the same people months from now saying you beat everything and the game is dead😂😂😮

stop complaining about everything and just say THANKS

Wuthering waves is not a waifu game. That's why the developers are too clean and generous 😂

Having run into the wall myself of not having enough echo xp, I have to say i agree as well with Smack. You should absoloutely not be able to +25 a full team a week into the game. That's just ridicilous. Yes it's frustrating not being able to level up character's but complaining about this a week after launch is wild. I do get where player's are coming from for sure but what's gonna end up happening is everyone is gonna be lvl 60 with max builds clearing high level content and then when you level up more there's 0 to do. It all depends on what content they release and how fast they release it but i for one don't want to be maxxed out a week into the game. Just my two cents, it's fine if you disagree but that's my take as well, however that being said I think they need to add a way to convert the blue and purple tuners cause they are pretty useless. Since you can't see stats until after they are leveled, being able to convert would probably help a bit with only spending a little bit of echo xp to roll the first couple substats to see if you want to pursue it or not without wasting all your gold tuners.

“Gamers don’t know what they want” is so true I’ve played a lot of other love service games and in all the communities I was in there was always people complaining about something and when that shit got removed the other half of the community that stayed quiet suddenly starts bashing the devs for removing that thing. You can’t always win and that is a lesson Kuro definitely needs to learn.

The game run like sht for me the first 3 days, now it is running smooth like butter, they are truly working and on top of that being nice with their community. It is not they are being too nice, it is that we are used to be treated like sht by other developers. I will fully support this game.

as a small counter a little game called spellbreak died becuase the devs failed to listen to the community. Id imagine this is the far more common case.

I HOPE they are doing this just to show that they DO see things, and because of how the launch has gone, that in future updates they will give just enough to hold people over til subsequent patches, and not a "we're just gonna add everything everyone wants" etc etc

Destiny Child was stingy at launch then became too generous which accelerated it's decline. It's a shame too because it had a great long form story and peak fanservice designs. It's no surprise either since Nikke took off more successful than anticipated. It's great to get tons of rewards, but it's also a dangerous game if everything is too easy to obtain/clear. There will be people that will support the game because of this, but many will also opt out with a "Why bother; I have all I want/need." It will be a controversial hot take however it is well thought out to be wary all the same.

Other gacha gamers are much more generous and they are competing with genshin which is already in the market. They haven't hit the "too nice" area and are still making a very good profit to the point where if they keep up even half this momentum they will make up the cost of development in just a few months. With that being said, its not like i disagree with a lot of the points or even most of them but that i disagree that they are being "too nice".

I thinking ADDING on to a game is fine feedback however asking for a CHANGE is where it becomes dangerous. I think the best example of this is Kuro changing the beginning of the story due to CN players complaining that the characters weren't just immediately glazing the MC and were acting cautious around us.

I think that "too nice" perception really comes from being used to what other developers do. PGR players are used to generosity from Kuro, literally being able to get every single limited character for free + another additional copy for free, as well. Most of PGR's money probably comes from their skins to be honest and from whales who want to max their units, because the average player honestly doesn't need to spend a penny on PGR because you get all of the characters just by playing the game. And I was worried that would massively change with WuWa but as a PGR player I'm honestly glad to see that they're sticking to what we're used from them. I really think they could allow themselves to be a little more greedy, but with all the issues they're still trying to iron out, now is definitely not the time, and the generosity is much appreciated. In terms of the echo thing tho, I definitely agree. Most people must have completely forgotten that in most other gacha games you literally can't even BEGIN to farm 5 star gear until a few weeks after release. And honestly... thanks to absolute rng luck I DO have endgame gear. My F2P Jiyan looks absolutely insane with 50+% Crit Rate and 220+% Crit DMG, which means when he is fully levelled he will be somewhere at 60% Crit Rate and 235% Crit DMG. He looks absolutely broken and definitely not how a character Lv. 60 SHOULD look like but because Kuro was kind enough to speed up the availability of 5 star echos there definitely are people out there who, just like me, have characters that can easily clear all of the content with ease just 7 days into the release of the game. So speeding that process up even faster... that's a slippery slope. They will have to provide some super hardcore replayable endgame mode somehow to entertain these people sooner rather than later.

Kuro shill ,"they dont have to apologems"

While I don't agree with most of what Smack has said, I think I agree with the spirit of the message, which is that they need to be careful that they don't come off across as an not confident or hasty acting company that can be jerked around by its community. I'm of the mind that this is pretty acceptable and appreciated behavior in the first month of the game. it's not surprising they're trying to nurse it through a full month of revenue with as much short term retention in mind as possible so they can have an idea of their initial audience/potential high points. I think this is also why they moved Yinlin forward, to try to capture as much impulse spending/sunk cost as possible while they're at a peak point, which they objectively are, with launch.

bad take bro, usually love your videos but this is bad. They aren’t bending a knee to every demand. In a gacha gamer when characters now have 6 “constellations”, providing more rewards is a reasonable action. Hoyoverse devs for genshin are non existent. Stair rail has a dev team and that’s why they are exceeding more than genshin now. Just let the game cook, they have a golden egg right now, and we’re gonna criticise them for listening when we have been complaining devs don’t listen for 3 years. Nah g

First time I left your video without fully watching it

It's like how HSR players agree that the relic grind is really bad, but if HSR devs listened to that feedback then players would reach max damage and the satisfaction of having a big upgrade to grind towards would be over.

2:43 This is actually a very mature and fair take. Seeing as the primary audience is mostly quite young and hot blooded, they might not immediately realize this when they're raging and demanding things from a game developer. I very much appreciate you speaking out on this, unlike the other content creators who are milking this shit to death and worshipping kuro like they're gods. You earned a sub from me today, gacha smack.

Finally someone discuss about this the Devs have to take a break. they are human too I prefer that they take it easy and manage their reaction to feedback baby step. Should control teh gamers expectation in a way the retention of the player is still strong. Let the devs cook for once and take their time to work and strengthen their foundation.

When you think that the game and dev are so great, support the game... but no im free to play bla bla bla...

Wow Rare Smack L Take for once.

The only reason ppl are complaining about the echo xp "issue" is because you actually can obtain the echos you want in excess of xp required. This problem is much better than the problem everyone faced in genshin for e.g. because in genshin you literally couldn't even obtain artifacts with the stat you wanted to use your xp on bc the daily limit was like 8 pieces... it used to take literal weeks or MONTHS of grinding to get a very good artifact set for just 1 char, look at Wuwa now, ppl have full sets with good rolls in only 2 weeks. Bottom line is ppl are just impatient as fuck.

I have to hard disagree there, it's grindy because we don't have time everyday to farm all possible echos while playing wuwa is ur job

Don't agree, at all. Maybe because some of you come from the perspective of constantly being feed crap by all the gacha games you played that your brain decided that that's how chocolate tastes like. As a gamer (and someone who worked in the industry for 15 years) what I want from a game can vary, but I am most definitely certain of what I don't want from it. Publishers trying to reach to your pocket by creating problems and selling the solution. Devs and designers that don't listen to the community because they think hey know better, spoiler alert. In most of the case... they don't. Look at Diablo V for one example. Said that, I loved the "free stuff" kuro gave and that's the main reason of why I decided to support them by buying from their store. Gacha don't need to be this predatory gambling for pixel simulators to be successful, too bad you guys got too accustomed to it.

is it bad being too nice??? Do not ever blame the GOOD person, blame the BAD person who would take advantage of the GOOD person. Blame the perpetrators and not the good guys.

You just used to developers like hoyo that are stingy

"I want to be different" ahh video

Legit no one is complaining that there "isnt anything left to do" the main complaint is that the things TO do in the in game are grindy and gatekept behind superficial time sinks and exuberant energy/stamina constraints. Not to mention the endgame grind is very different from their other game (PGR), in the sense that your endgame stats are RNG dependent in WuWa in exchange for the grind not costing stamina. The game killing itself due to over compensating the players is a future that rarely happens in games. All the changes listed above are 100% warranted , especially when you consider that ZZZ drops in less than a month. They are doing their best to secure as much loyalty as they can.

I have played PGR in the past and it's normal for Kuro, I got so many free S Rank Selector and was surprised at how a company can be so generous and not greedy like sh*thoyo. I got so used to being treated like a dirt by sh*thoyo that I almost forgot what it feels like to be a player in a video game where developers actually care about their community.

We have to understand we've been influenced and mistreated by Hoyoverse for a long long time, now we have Kuro Games with a brand new one game capable of be on pair with Genshin Impact. I don't blame them for being the way they are right now as they want WuWa to be a success. And to be honest it's on the right path. After almost four year Genshin increased the resin to 200 and today they are realizing a new end game... after four fucking years and all because of WuWa. with that being said my other half agrees with you in all the points.

I don’t think many of the CC’s realize just how badly optimized and buggy the game currently is across many devices, especially on mobile. One look at the subreddit and you’ll see 90% of it dominated with constructive criticism and outright worry, but I notice most CC’s and their friends are having the smoothest game experience possible, and while they have “heard” about how it is for others, I have a feeling how they imagine it’s going for others is WAY more mild than reality. I dig the video and understand where Gacha was coming from, but I don’t agree they’re being too nice, the devs are doing what is *necessary* to bide time to hopefully optimize everything so that many people don’t outright leave the game.

Poor Kuro Games people can't be pleased, people are fighting devs because they give less to no rewards And people get mad for too much rewards I agree with some part of the video but ket Kuro Games to cook whatever they are trying their best at the end The devs mighy self destruct soon 😭

Too nice? They made a game on release that many ppl can’t play too nice my ass

W take . Same like other gacha games , use ur brain this game only out for a weeks and u thought we should grind echos like a maniac? that what we should do on late game not on early game. As the game progress we unlock more level world and more rewards that is when we grind our echos and use our solvent. As example do you have a good artifact in a week playing genshin impact? hell no . What we should focus now is building our character , talent and weapon. If u have good echos sure u can level them up but please dont assume that u can have a very godly piece in early game. Maybe u should stick with good purple echos for a while. Why games like this genre doing like that? because they want us to keep playing their game . If u got all u want in the game , ask urself do u have a reason to keep playing ? be reasonable dont rush the game u will burnout , after that u will complain that this game is boring because u got nothing to do. One more thing if u a f2p player dont expect bs things , be real.

Yes, they need to balance the way they provide rewards since its gonna skew the playerbase’s expectations especially on anniversary and future issues that will be encountered Hot take: i feel that Kuro is trying to please the people too much at this point

f2p doesnt mean much when you can play 10-16 hours a day lol the experience needs to feel good for normies that cant grind echos all day long like cc's

Imagine being so abused by the mega corps you think a company behaving like late stage capitalism is not the only option is being "too nice".

I'd rather have nothing to do and wait for new content then be stuck grinding echo exp and lvl'ing one echo to lvl 15 in 1 day after spending ALL my energy.. It feels awful. Not even going for prefect rolls at all but just to lvl ANY piece.

No one cares if you commented first y’all.

if they in fact listen they would have fixed he issues before release, all the beta issues literally came out with the game and you guys are cheering that they are saying theyll fix them soon tm? the gifts are there to appease the chinese crowd mad over translations, bugs and unable to play the game not because they are kind, the game got so badly reviewbombed it fall lower than genshin during the boycott, they didnt listen you just pretend the issues didnt exist the entire time and call it "misinformation", the echo rng fix was listed on the last step of beta to be fixed and they didnt do it, people like myself report how insane unlocking the echo stats was and other things, everything they say they will fix in the future they already said it before on beta previous to release and they didnt do it, somehow the game released with more bugs than the beta.

Y'know... I do prefer a company that tries to fix things up and compensate their players. It's a reasonable action that any company should do to keep their player base.

i don't want instant gratification, I just want constant QoL, good combat, and good story. It is why I enjoy HSR a lot. As for the echo, we just need a way to recoup exp from enhance echo to use as material.

I NEVER AGREED WITH THE TITLE MORE

I feel like pgr had a better story. Even though it was slides i actually took the time to read. The concept was more interesting...

I couldn't care less about the rewards I just need them to fix the launching issue

You need to understand the struggles of casual players Even after hours of farming i only got a few echo's with the right stat i was aiming for and when i levelled them they all turned out shit meaning all my effort was pretty much for nothing So yeah i hope everyday they give some drop boost for normal or elite monsters so that casuals can call it a day after farming and hardcore players can keep farming as long as they want

As someone who wants to spend as little as possible. Respectfully disagree with you. Edit: Agree with you on the Echoes though. But I love them freebies.

And if some news infact told that they worked overtime to fix the bugs on top of all the compensation, man I feel bad now, I hope they're well and healthy..

Tell me you arent a real gamer without telling. This is what is what REAL game devs are like This is how bungie used to be. How Bethesda used to be. How blizzard used to be. God Kuro is like a time machine back to peak gaming of the late 90s early 2000s

Meanwhile PGR OGs treats it like any other update. When you get used to abuse most likely you'll think that it's normal.

I think people need to remind themselves that these aren’t really “rewards” as much as they are methods of compensation for the company fucking up so many times. That being said I am enjoying the game and at least they’re making an effort.

Spending Gamers now needs to feel that thier money is secured and in a good place like FF14 they're too nice 😂. By doing this spenders will consistently spend more atleast consistently . As. We feel there more value to it , know we can trust the devs with our hard earn avg joe money

It's not a hot take, I'm gonna use the military retention problem as I'm currently in to fund my gacha addiction. Basically, what you're describing is a bandaid fix (giving huge bonuses to new recruits) versus actually fixing the core issues (actually taking care of the people currently serving and better base pay). While I'm happy they are fixing the mobile experience, I was joking about giving more pulls and stuff. And here we are.

The devs should give 5 star characters after completing their story quests