It's fun for what it can be but at the moment I still think it could have been better Especially with the combat there's character depth I don't find myself needing to use like timing and button combos because it's easier to mash I hope they add a mode where it's more than enough to need to mix up your playstyles
So true, their rich compositions are such a blessing in an era where music at the end of the scale with the highest reach has been more boring than ever.
Coz they dont rely on outsource production for their ost... Their soundtrack is consistently good across all games. The problem of over reliance on other company can be seen in wuwa case, when pgr relied too much on vanguard for good osts but wuwa didn't the ost just ended up being bad.
The game is not terrible, I think not having a guaranteed weapon banner is a missed opportunity, I think hsr has a better battle pass structure, it is very early so the game has room for growth, I hope that characters that appeal to me more come to the game, I hope that those who like it continue to like it and those that don't find something else to play.
@@juandor9789 He isn't a shill. I am saying that there are too many dick riders for Mihoyo games, that the company will get complacent and not feel the need to make any improvements as long as they make tons of money.
Saying a game is Garbage and Saying I personally don't like this game are 2 completely different things. It pisses me off to see a game of this quality ran through the mud because people can't seem to stop forcing opinions on people like they're facts.
Some of the game design decisions for ZZZ are questionable, but aside from that it's there with the other gachas as "One of the games of All Time" so I don't see a reason not to put credit and criticism where it's due because everyone's words are subjective until proven otherwise. It's going to fall on deaf ears 90% of the time anyway. Enjoy what you enjoy, live and let live. Simple as.
If you think tic tac toe is bad it seems ur missing the idea of fun. The best game ever is always subjective. Even when a game is massively liked, some people will still chose other game as the best
I think because its an Instance Based Gacha game like HI3 or PGR it's definitely a different audience. I feel like the marketing and positioning for this game was centered around street fighting etc, but with all the Monitor stuff and walking around I think it was targeting the wrong crowd. Just my .02c. Great vid!
Sure but it should also have more content or rewards or a level to compete with those Or just make the gamba 100 cost because the currency is pretty low throughout what I've played Other than the obvious dailies for standards I think if they just give you enough rewards you can look past the content draught
@@LUCAS420BLZit feels like it lacks rewards is because the devs hid chests certain parts of the map in combat sections. Keep in mind they hid chests in the combat section. Worse decision I have ever seen implemented in a gacha game.
I agree with your take on combat. The combat only seems bad and simple because the enemy isn’t doing much when in reality there’s a lot of stuff you can do. Being able to mash through the early game seems to be an issue with all gacha but I’m expecting zzz to increase the difficulty as time goes on.
Yeah when i got to fight the end of chapter bosses it was very clear the issue lies in the enemies, the bosses were really fun but regular enemies with the exception of a few outliers just stand still. They just need to pump up enemies aggressiveness and problem solved
It's already dps check for enemies at 35+ already if i didnt have Ellen (early luck) i think it takes more time than usual standard characters, enemies like robot really needs shock team to deal with.
I hope the difficulty increases as well. But considering that the "challenge mode" you choose at the start of the game only means enemy has more hp and damage says something. To me that says that's their definition of "challenge". From my experience I'd say the enemy aggro in zzz is lesser than even GI. They need to tone that up, but I doubt they will. At its current state I'd say the game is pretty easy and can finish everything by just button mashing. So most people will incline to that and might even get bored because they don't NEED to improve or learn the different mechanics.
After around level 26 I unlocked hard mode and was kind of pleasantly surprised that the enemies were actually doing something and packed a punch. I think the base game is just made to progress on your leisure but to have something challenging you have to go find it on your own in other modes. Reminds me a bit with WW and holograms, where the game itself is easy as hell but holograms are the hard part.
Its does. Im on the abyss 9 stage and even though the enemies are only 5 levels above me, with a 53 cr 80 cd ellen (not including 30+ cr from her other kit), I still lost had two of my members die and used up all 10 minutes of the time limit and didn’t even clear lmao
Finally, someone actually gives ZZZ some credit. I've been trying to enjoy it, but some morons are constantly yelling at me trying to make me feel bad about the fact that I did in fact like the game.
I've put in 8 hrs on PS5 so far and I love the game. That's why I'm not looking up ZZZ on RU-vid anymore because all the videos I've seen are people complaining about it
I've put in 8 hours on PS5 and I love the game so far. That's why I don't look up ZZZ on RU-vid anymore because all of the videos I've seen are people complaining about it
You'll get this buff when you're older, it's called "i don't give a damn". Just don't give a damn about whatever people are saying, if you're enjoying it, keep at it, fuck everybody else. And i'm with you, so far to me the game is great, i'm enjoying it a lot.
ZZZ is a good game, It's a truth that the game itself is for ''niche'' audience, but still, it has nice art, somehow ok story and in fact I like combat of this game, yea it is easy, but all follow up attacks and animations are great. The most cool aspect of this game for me are conversations among characters, they are funny, sometimes cringy in a good way and I personally like them a lot. ZZZ is mostly hated, at least what I saw by WuWa players, which is somehow funny, because WuWa got the same amount of hate from Genshin and HSR audience back then. ZZZ definitely is not the same game and WuWa/Genshin or HSR, it targets diferent people with diferent taste for games and genre. I played this game for some quite time and I like it, playing all HSR, WuWa and ZZZ is good enough for me, all these games are different and just because of that, I won't get bored by any of those games. Definitely some improvements must be implied, but at least for now, I'm 100% satisfied with this game.
Yup. To me ZZZ is Persona online. Chilled, day by day, go into town, do some missions gameplay. Wuwa was boring, dialogue heavy, tiddy waifu collector. Completely generic. At least ZZZ feels unique.
Yes, I actually liked the TV puzzles, the unique dialogues from many random NPCs, and the storyline. I really hope they could increase the difficulty of future enemies so the combat would be more engaging and enjoyable
The hollow zero mode that shit is addicting holy the tv system shines in that mode I truly enjoyed every moment of the game so far but the hollow zero was the best part for me I think it's better than su in hsr traversing the map is easier in the tv gives you more freedom in choosing what to do next it has a great replay value ZZZ is better than most people say.
Definitely, its better than SU. In SU if you have a solid team, you literally just go in, pick buffs, auto fights, tab out and repeat lol. In hollow zero, you stay engaged all the way
am i the only one that enjoys ZZZ just because of the auditory and visuals than the combat i legit come back to play cause of how pleasing it is to play visually
People talked smack about WuWa 1.0 then said it got better at 1.1, so I think it would be better if we gave ZZZ the same treatment. Plenty of players already said their opinion, now let's see what Hoyo's gonna do at 1.1. Until then, I'll try give this game another chance.
Theyll pull a typical mihoyo and do nothing, its an insanely loud minority anyways. According to all the data we have, it already (estimately) outsold wuwas entire first month. Hoyo wont give a f what some content creators and westerners say when the game makes hsr levels of money.
@@ardee9337 Google game-i and check the first link for example. Those are estimates based on the jp app store that are historically very close to the sensortower data.
@@ardee9337 RU-vid wont let me post links or anything, theres sites that post (historically pretty accurate) estimates based on the app store rankings.
your take on the tv system (and the game overall) is honestly very refreshing. i share the same viewpoint as you in that it doesn't transfer the significance of certain events (like the dead end butcher catching up to the cunning hares), but would work really nicely for hollow zero, the roguelike gamemode. the actual storytelling is so unique and creative it really gives the game its own feel and helps separate it as one of the big powerhouse experiences from hoyoverse
@@glaxyprimoyou might not see it but currently i am holding my index finger to my head and doing a circular motion with it, shaking my head disapprovingly all the while
@@glaxyprimo wuwa straight up better in like everything exept maybe story (1.1 was pretty dame good). your the same type of people that shit on ZZZ just cuz you dont like it dosent mean its bad.
What I REALLY like is that even if you choose to Skip the story, they will give you a brief SINGLE SENTENCE description of what you're gonna be missing. So you're literally not missing anything, and you don't have to hear the yap fest. BEST LEAP FORWARD IN STORYTELLING in the Gacha space. This feature alone is something that other games need to implement.
I've played a lot of gacha games that have this feature (eg Bandori). It sure is a huge QoL for those who are trying to save time while not missing out on much. But, in ZZZ specifically, I genuinely enjoy the character's banter while doing the quest and all the yap is properly placed on parts that are outside the main sauce, so while this feature is available, I don't think I'll be using it any time soon
I agree with the proper dancing partner take, we have so much potential right now that hasn’t been put to good use yet, looking forward to some permanent modes that test your responsiveness.
Not sure if you know but whenever you have same characters of the same faction, when you switch out, they respond to the current characters. Say if you have Corin and Lycaon, Von Lycaon will say "Corin, get some rest, let me handle this" or something along the lines. Or when you have Ellen, she'll respond to Lycaon " Take it easy boss, i'll handle it". I love it when they have characters interact with each other during battles. It makes the game FEEELS SO MUCH MORE ALIVE. It's so much better than Genshin and Honkai Star Rail.
@@ChangeOfHearts39I believe he meant to say it's better in terms of making the characters feel much more alive. Not in literal overall aspects. Why do you people always end up with negative thoughts right away
I think the Story right now is like the first half of Jojo part 4, there is a looming threat (Hollow) but we are just here for some wacky bizarre adventure occasionally have a boss or two. But it’s all building up to something chapter by chapter
This might sound weird but i actually disagree with lucy being "sexualized" i was studying not long ago and the girls in my school very frequently used very short pants and no one really care about this, i actually think that if u think that using short pants is "sexualizing" u are just a out of touch boomer no offense, but girls do dress like this IRL
I think so too. Twitter ruins everything bro. Like the game ain’t even that bad it’s just that people love to hate. My girlfriend who hasn’t heard anything about it and isn’t on twitter told me that she liked the game. I like it too, I haven’t heard what you said yet but I hope you share the same sentiment as I do 🙏
If a lot of people are calling the game ass except of some content creators that were most likely paid to play the game that should tell u something 😂 he gonna drop this game in a couple of weeks
@@piplonf8591 I dunno, I see some people having the same opinion as me in this comment section. And we all know Tectone who’s blacklisted saying it ain’t that bad. And plus do you remember that contract for ZZZ? I don’t think many people took that contract. The game is very overhated just because other people felt threatened that their baby game Genshin has competition. Same shit happened with WuWa. So stop yapping about shit you don’t know
@@setmain5442 it’s a video about it being a good game ofc their opinion is gonna be the same as yours💀 everyone knows this is just honkai impact but even more boring nothing about this game screams different
THANK YOU for being one of the few CCs for giving a raw unbiased take. People need to stop comparing everything. It's okay to like two different things for two completely different reasons.
@Gacha Smack, the game gets much more fun after Account level 30+, an entire new city opens up around story chapter 2(ending) / 3 (beginning) It sucks that they seemed to put forth all the effort towards the level 30 content then the first impressions content, but yeah, keep going and please make an update video to let the community know how good this game becomes
From the view of someone who has, I believe, unlocked all the combat modes and gameplay features, I do have a differing perspective on some points. (WARNING I AM GOING TO YAP A LOT, THIS IS MY FULL IMPRESSION OF THE GAME NOW THAT I'VE UNLOCKED AND USED ALL MAIN SYSTEMS TO SOME DEGREE) Firstly in terms of difficulty and combat, the bosses surprisingly ramp up pretty quickly! At the time of writing I've unlocked the 2,500 point missions in Hollow Zero and completed up to Stage 6 in "Shiyu Defence" which is ZZZs version of MoC. Story bosses have been given more moves and even a phase 2 that adds even more moves on top of the prior additions. I don't feel like the HP gained by the bosses is that substantial, but the addition of more moves and in some cases, UNBLOCKABLE MOVES? (it has a red flash instead of a yellow flash) mixes up the combat encounters a lot. As a player, I'm still able to succeed with the basics of NA, parries and dodges, but it does definitely feel like you need a good grasps of these systems in order to succeed, which is a pretty big contrast to early game where you could realistically either only rely on dodges or parries to avoid all damage. There's even some instances where I would prefer to avoid attacking in order to better avoid damage (I'm looking at you double mech encounter). For the TV system, I do think it has a place in the story, as it can serve as a way to gamify story beats. In the interest of not giving spoilers, I'll keep my examples brief, but there's segments of the story later on that use this system to incorporate minigames and puzzles that are story-relevent, and I think it really enhances the connection to the story. I do however have a problem with the way it has been used. I don't think they should have used the TVs as the ONLY form of "transportation" from one story beat to another. We have examples in-game of us being able to interact with NPCs in the combat zones, so I think they should have used that more. I believe that using these 2 systems in tandem is the right answer to the question of story presentation, as we get the best of both worlds (immersion through in-person interactions and immersion through gamification of story beats that would otherwise just be static 3D models). In terms of the overworld, having unlocked all but 1 area, I do think Sixth Street, the area we start at, is the 2nd best major area (for reference at lv. 30, there's 3 "main" areas that you'll be spending time in, finding collectables and completing quests). It's a condensation of all the systems players need to use, put into a small space that is small enough to not be cumbersome, but large enough to not feel like a room. There's another map that has some of the amenities that Sixth Street has, but oftentimes they're spread so far apart you won't use them unless you're in the area. As a whole I think ZZZ has a strong visual identity, both in the various playable factions, as well as the non-combat overworld. In terms of the combat zones, a majority of them is still ruined buildings sadly, but I hope it changes in chapter 3. As for mission design, I have to say, these are some of the most fun sidequests I have ever had the pleasure of playing in a gacha game. Before I elaborate, I have to preface that I enjoy the TV system. I like what it stands for, I see its potential, I've experienced some ingenious uses for it, I LOVE the TV system. And I say this because a lot of the interesting sidequests are tied to the TV system, with some exceptions. While, yes, there are a lot of combat-centric ones (courtesy of Venus, my beloved) I've found myself enjoying and remembering the puzzles/minigame sidequests a lot more. I'll give only 1 example but there's a hidden quest you can start that gives you a TFT-like mission. You can recruit and upgrade units in order to tackle increasingly tougher opponents, culmulating in fighting an opponent I genuinely could not beat until I got all the expensive upgrades (yes I suck, deal with it). I had a fun time seeing what the opponents units did, and adjusting my unit positions and upgrading them to answer. Even some of the combat ones were fun, particularly a combat mission that required you to collect invisible coins. Lastly, and this is one thing I'm surprised more people don't bring up, the farming experience. ZZZ hands down is THE BEST farming experience out of all gacha games I've played. Firstly, I don't need to travel to all maps in order to unlock all resource farms, which is already WAY better than Genshin and HSR, the former of which required you to go on what I can only describe as a journey to middle-earth of nowhere, and the latter needing me to backtrack to a map I already cleared just to open a flower. Secondly, the way they handled resource reward amounts is GENIUS, making it into a deck system so I can change the amount based on the amount of stamina I either wish to spend or have left (btw the max is 100 energy with 5 cards). And later on you even get to make a custom deck FROM SCRATCH, which lets you farm multiple resource types for different character types at the same time! Also, did I mention that weekly boss drops require 0 STAMINA? Of course it's not completely perfect. These systems unfortunately aren't given to the relic farming system, although just like resources you unlock all of them in one go, and I assume all future "relics" will be added to the same vendor. In addition, I wish the UI itself was adjusted so that you could better see the amount of resources you'll be getting without going i to the deck to see. At the tiem of writing I don't think I am in a good enough position to comment on the resource economy itself as I am still in the process of bringing up my first team, however I have not run into any Dennies issues, especially seeing as I have 2 million Dennies. I was also able to get Corrin up from lv. 30 to 40, as well as fully upgrade all talents to 7, within about 240 energy, which I think is pretty fair especially for where I am in the story, where the data disc grind is not relevant and I'm putting ally efforts into guarenteed upgrades. You should expect to have a full lv. 40 team with respectable skill level investment within a week. Before I give the final statement a few notes, nitpicks and gripes: 1) I think the NPCs look amazing. I've never stopped to look at random NPCs walking by so many times before. From the elderly to the children I think all of them look great. 2) While I liked what they were going for with the day-to-night cycle, I would have liked to be able to rest multiple times in a day. I'd be stuck in afternoon with no energy to spend and no sidequests to do, trying to get to evening for my overworld sidequest. 3) For the love of GOD why are there so many coins. 4) Overall character design is pretty good. I'm not someone who looks at kid with shorts and thinks that's weird. If it fits the faction theme and looks good I'm inclined to like it. Not saying it isn't weird but seeing as I don't think about it I am not the right person to ask regarding opinions on it (but damn Venus is so fine). 5) PLSPLSPLSPLSPLS FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE GIVE US A D-PAD TO USE IN TV MODE ON MOBILE. TAPPING TO TRAVEL IS SO BAD THERE'S A REASON PEOPLE USE WASD TO TRAVEL WHEN THEY DON'T USE CONTROLLER. 6) I think the UI could have been better. I think making them the center of focus and spacing them out would vastly improve readability and smooth out the experience 7) The W-Engine is in my opinion the perfect middle between Genshin/Wuwa weapons and HSRs Lightcone. Visually it isn't as impactful as Genshin/Wuwa, so players don't need to worry about their fav character not weilding their signature weapons on-field, and the Engines having animations makes them so much more fun to collect compared to HSRs Lightcones that are just a static image like a trading card. Also a nice touch giving even A-Rank agents a signature W Engine. It says there's a special skin/effect when they use their signature but in gameplay I haven't seen much of a difference. I could just be blind tho. Overall I think I'm at a good point to give a score, as 30 is really when stuff starts to slow down (I have very few sidequests left to complete so it's dailies from here on out)and I've spent about 2 days interracting with both the endgame and "postgame" content, so as a whole I think this game is an 8/10, with the early-game/first impressions being a 6/10. This game doesn't do anything substantially better than its competitors (besides its dailies which don't even require stamina OR that bs synthesis/crafting lol) but as a sum of its parts, it holds up amazingly well. While I have a lot of gripes with some core systems, I understand from a development point of view why they chose those directions and am inclined to agree with them to a good degree. ZZZ at where I stand at this point in time a good gacha game that has a lot of style, a VERY good amount of substance and content, especially for a 1.0 product, and has a lot of systems integral to the gacha experience (farming, gearing, etc.) being either on par or in some cases better than its contemporaries. If anything the greatest sin this game has commited is not showing its promise sooner, in terms of combat, storytelling, and gameplay features. Underneath all the layers of oil there exists a well polished game that I feel is worth sticking with, but I can only say these things after wiping away all the grime and oil that was the early game experience. I'm not so sure other players will be as tenacious as I am. Overall this is a gacha game that while admittedly has some shaky buildings, is built on rock solid foundations. Only time will tell how well it does but as far as I'm concerned, this might just be up there as my top 3 favourite gachas. PSA.: The "dating system" is unlocked at 31 and it'll start with the mission "Anby's Commision" so just a heads up for those scouring the game to find it.
As someone who's is at about the same spot as you, man I couldn't agree more I'm honestly loving the game but I also didn't think that outside of the first hour or two the gameplay or story telling was bad but it's so nice seeing other people around this point in the game voicing similar opinions that the game gets much better
No spoilers, I didn't care for Belobog industries at first. After meeting Koleda, Grace, Anton, and Ben. I LOVE THEM SO MUCH. THEY'RE FREAKIN HILARIOUS.
Same man, all the stupid bro bro's sentences and how likeable and unique are each of the chars of belobog are really good. I want to know more about the other groups so freaking much
I really dont like the way people talk about "kids" in anime and games. i really like the design and I dont care if they are being sexualized. you need to remember this is just a game and NOT REAL. yes if this was real humans i would also be DISGUSTED if they were sexualized but this is a game. not real. there is no reason to talk about them like this. why couldnt you just say "its not my type" or "its not for me" and just go out of your way and talk about how bad it is that they are doing this. so many people think of them like this it annoys me so much. am i not allowed to find kids in game cute or attractive? its a game not real after all
@@shonenhikada9254its insane how in this world people like you exist and can be so creepy. Just cuz people love and find childs cute adorable doesn't mean they're pedophile what kind of creepy disgusting mindset you have there. Oh wait so ur basically saying loving/liking childrens = ur a pedophile. Wow so no one in this world is allowed to even like them ? Honestly, seek a therapy and remove this creepy disgusting mindset you have there cuz you are genuinely so so weird.
You mentioned the TV mode being great for the roguelike mode, but I also think it has loads of potential for side quests. There were some that really stood out to me, the main ones being Defending the belobog industry drill rig with the turrets. Helping the mad scientist test his bombs and having to bait enemies into the blasts to charge it. Sneaking around enemies with soldier 11. Not side content but I also really liked having to frogger the civilians between moving trains and to a lesser extent thought it was funny when Anton starts being a one-man army during one of the chapter 2 missions and you use him as a battering ram, blasting through dudes for you. There could be more, but I'm only rank 29 at the moment and haven't done all the quests yet. There might be more interesting ones than just those few examples, but I will say I'm also one of the oddballs that enjoys the tv portions though I agree the TV segment should take a backseat during the main story. I don't think they need to get rid of it per say but they should definitely use the rally game mode more and earlier on in the game and from what I've read, that might be what Hoyo wants to do in the future (I can't back this information, but I've seen in other comment sections that in a stream Hoyo said something along those lines and I hope it's true for the sake of the game).
Zzz was sold as a combat focus game , yet they focused on cut scenes npcs, cat balls and rabbit buttholes, so for pointing that out, players calling players toxic for stating they don't like the game after (hours) of playing, I find that to be "toxic" lol
Ok but it wasn’t sold as a mainly combat focused game ur just taking what other people are saying and regurgitating it a lot of promotion was focused on characters yes combat is a big part of it but never MAINLY combat focused
@@just_existing253 it was legit sold by mr god king da wei himself on the offical pre-release livestream btw where it was repeated said it was a combat focused game. go watch the live stream. he legit says it about 12x throughout the stream.
@@just_existing253you ever watched their livestream? They sold it as an action combat game. Not a TV simulator Visual Novel ahh game. They should've toned down the dialogue bloating and just get to the point and tone down the 3D cutscenes and comic visuals. This is the only close space combat RPG that is 20GB in 1.0. even PGR with all their Flashy combat from gen 2 to gen 3 barely even goes to 20GB.
So far (PR30): Gameplay: 4/10 (repetitive, TV) Art/UI: 9/10 (love the retro/urban/Persona vibes) Music: 8/10 (scratches my taste) PR and media: 9/10 (dopamine for my ADHD-ass brain) Overall it's a 6/10 game for me, though I am more tempted to stick to this game because the community hates it lol. Not spending until the devs actually improve on the gameplay though, art and music can only take you so far.
They hate it because they like combat more than most things, Hoyo games are usually more focused on story and less on combat. This game is for a "niche" audience which is fine but for most they don't like it at all because combat sucks and probably Art etc.. For me Combat and the Art is most important mainly combat, for me this game does bore me because it's not for me. That's why Wuthering Waves is one of the top gacha games right now because of how good their combat is, the story is rushed but most people don't care much about it and there's a lot of skill in it. This game is designed for casuals so can't expect someone who play Wuthering Waves mainly for combat to enjoy this game, that's why they say they hate it.
@@LUCAS420BLZ that is true, but to add there are many other subjective factors that I don't want to mention like 'character design' and 'community', I only want to mention the ones that most can agree with.
Nah, apparently hating on the game is justified because "It's my opinion" and liking the game is a hate crime because "You're wrong, the game is bad". Gacha community.
This is why ur my favorite cc, u keep it real, keep it level headed, and keep it genuine/honest. There isn’t any extra fluff, u get right down to it and have very objective points and critiques. W smack once again
My biggest disappointment with the game as a husbando enjoyer who is not a furry, is that there are litterally no characters that I’m looking forward to aside from seth and asaba and they’re probably gonna be 4 stars
I gotta ask what gachas you be playing then lol. Like Star Rail basically only puts effort into female charchters. And Wuwa just dropping banger females lol
@@cedricjonesjr6140that’s a lie tho adventurine a recent male character in star rail was one of the most well written characters in the entire game. Star rail does still put out more females but that’s natural in gacha
@@cedricjonesjr6140 genshin and star rail have at least a 1:2 male female ratio with amazing characters like neuvillette and aventurine so I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect the same or at least a little more on that aspect from ZZZ
I cant believe it even is a hot take to say this, the game is really good. I agree with your take about the TV system though and I hope they change it up.
Yeah it's a super good game, but I fear the developper talk and the SF6 collab thing attracted the wrong audience, people went in with "combat combat combat" expectations after that PR thing and I seriously think it is what caused most of the damage. For me it is one of the first gachas I plugged my controller for, just sit back relax and enjoy my time instead of trying to minmax it
Well, it isnt an invalid argument. The main argument was that zzz was said to be a "combat focused game" that didn't cater towards"flashy" movesets by the devs. Im pretty sure if they marketed as a "casual combat" most of the hate will be gone.
@@JoLoAn135 I agree, It's mostly an audience thing and that PR campaign maybe attracted the wrong crowd, well I know i'm enjoying the game despite the lack of challenge, we'll see how it evolves !
7:38 There is some optimization issues when this form of dialogue is used. If you have a monster pc it most likely doesn't matter. But if you have a moment look at your GPU temps when these scenes happen and then look at your temps after these scenes are done.
@@BlackRuby67 Yep, Ive noticed my 2070 super gpu Hard spikes from avg 50% usage to 80% usage (75 C) in these cutscenes with 3 people. Still within normal GPU range but still kinda worrisome for me because I can hear the fans going hard even in an AC environment. Another part I saw where there's some GPU temp spikes is opening up the menu page with ESC, still not as bad as the cutscenes though.
To be honest, the only thing I hate about this game is the TV system. I wish we had more opportunities to explore the levels with the characters we've got.
Apparently the space in a Hollow always changes. One thing they could have done is randomly generated maps but I fucking hate random generation so I think TVs is fine. It's retro yet presented in a modern way. No idea why people hate it so much. You do get Rally Commissions later on which is basically no TV and you get to explore the map.
That is the bigger gripe. youre not really using the character, but it totally makes sense since its the bangboo that does the exploration into the hollow as controlled by your Proxy. The TV system truly shines in Hollow Zero mode. I think the TV gameplay should just be exclusive to that, but could have some 1st person mode exploration through a Bangboo in navigation of puzzles.
Same. They really should just made the TV system on some side quests and not a major part of the gameplay to progress in the story. There are other ways to implement a story progression. Majority of the people(sane people, not haters) that are saying ZZZ is mid is because the enemies are braindead in story mode, so the new player experience is not satisfying and the combat is gated by the TV system. The amount if yapping is annoying as well. If only they stick to the comic style story telling and not the visual novel style and reduce the dialogues because majority of them is unnecessary. The overall aesthetics and visuals of the game is very good. If only the main gameplay is much more satisfying.
The TV thing actually grew on me quite a bit, I like how they integrated story-telling into it. I wish some parts can be faster though, like the 7777 room
this is honestly a genuine review of the game he hit most of the "cup of tea" parts of the game, its not driven by comparison, by early game, and by hate. everyone should get the vibe of the game.
After all this stupid drama I see with these CC lately, I genuinely appreciate, as a grown man, watching another grown man doing a normal ass videos about video games, like this. I appreciate you bro.
havent watched the full video yet but going by the title, i finally feel like im not alone xdd. l feel so dumbfounded cuz i really think the game is good and i like it a LOT despite the opposite being the popular opinion online. it has a lot of glaring issues that can be fixed sure but its not a bad game wth. its the only game in hyv rn that im having a blast with
I understand your feelings and it's really easy to get dragged down into all the negativity, but at the same time I think you need to put it into perspective. The game has been downloaded over 50 million times so it's pretty damn hard for us to know what most people feel. The problem is that there has been a lot of hoyoverse hate lately and it wouldn't have mattered if ZZZ was the best game in history or not, some people would shit on it anyway. But this is not me saying the game is perfect, it has issues but I agree with a lot of Gacha Smack is saying and I'm enjoying it a lot.
The absolute best kid character in a gacha game in my opinion is Spathodea from Reverse 1999. No fan service in either of her skins. Just peak style and a super strong character! We need more of that!
yeah but for me the main problem is all the main quests feel like side quests you just meet characters and nothing actually happens you could skip these chapters and when the actual lore shows up you would probably understand it anyways
they released a video on the channel of the game that has actual lore and the character designs seem good but why do i need to play for like more than 30 hours (maybe more if next chapter they still just introduce characters) to get actual story
no wonder that modern games sucks when the standart for actual good game is this low . Good game? More like mid game. Some people might find enjoyment in it but the standart is stuck somewhere in 2015 where this kind of game would be expected. Storytelling format is nice change from usual (im not fan tho),story on its self is mid,combat has nothing revolutionary its mid at best but the main issue is that the game was marketed as fighting game but people spend more time with minigames and tvs then actual combat. Overall people need to dig trough booring garbage to a point where it might get interesting which is bad design of the game on its self. It is a game for filthy casuals while they traveling , i wouldnt advise to spend a single dollar on it tho.
As a person who put off watching videos about ZZZ until I played some of it myself, I loved the game for the smoothness of animation, story presentation and just an overall vibe, so I didn’t know that a lot of people felt otherwise. I might be a bit too positive, but I think ZZZ is at least a unique experience, even with the TV mode, which I personally enjoyed going through. I do hope that the combat becomes even better and more challenging.
People are way too lenient with this game. It's like the son of a famous athlete or celebrity or something. They get way more attention than a person of their skill level would normally get, people will glaze everything they do well, while downplaying the faults or say they'll improve. If this game was made by anyone other than mihoyo, after hours of playing and finding it boring you'd just call it bad and drop it on the spot. Giving it 20 hours to see if it gets better is just crazy
100%, the only reason its being defended this hard is because its from Mihoyo, if anyone else made this it'd be one of those gachas that end up super niche and has a few diehard fans while everyone else quits it
Its because its Mihoyo but also because they invested a lot of themselves into this game hoping it would be great. Its even more wild when you consider its a game that will likely earn dozens or hundreds of millions yet they still defend it so hard. This aint a small indie game dev. Or a AA dev without a low of experience or money.
A good game is a 6/10 or 7/10 game. Problem is when Hoyo and CC's (like yourself) hype it as more like an 8/10, 9/10, 10/10 game, people will have high expectations. So that leads to more disappointment (or hate) then normally would have been the case. And who has time for a 6/10 or 7/10 game these days? We live in a day and age of quality inflation. There's too many great games out there already. ZZZ does some things like its animation on a god-tier level. I dont have to tell you have breathtakingly amazing the animation in cutscenes is. Or the expressiveness of the models. But that creates a sharp contrast with the areas of the game that are only mediocre like the character designs. Lets not cope and say the character designs are very good like most seem to say. If that is the case why are people barely excited for characters looks and not really talking about them unless its about ''boobas'' or controversial topics (furry & loli). This is a huge problem cuz its a gacha game. As someone pointed out in your podcast, in gacha games character appeal is the most important thing and that's where ZZZ is only mediocre in at best. (some good looking characters like Billy, Nekomata or Nicole, but even they are like a 7/10 not a 9/10 or 10/10 like say Yinlin or Kafka) So yeah, the game is good. But its not ''good enough'' to offer appeal over its (time) competitors. Will that change? Only time will tell. My prediction is that people will play it for a bit and then forget it exists, while meanwhile a solid Hoyo fanbase will keep the game alive like it does Genshin. Its not going to fail, because it has ''Hoyo'' on the package. Its too big to fail at this point. But who knows, people said the same about Marvel, Star Wars and Disney. But right now it still holds true. HI3 is still kind of alive despite its quality in terms of visuals and story dropping off a cliff and becoming fanfic level. Besides dont forget that as a gacha game that requires a lot of money or time investment from its players, and one that earns many millions, it should be held to a higher standard then regular games. Its easy for a CC to call a game good when you guys earn money from covering and playing it. Its like saying ''my working week was decent, and thats pretty good'' How many players are willing to spend more money on a game that is ''just'' a good game?
I think the residual hatred bottled up from their… interesting decisions, had lead to an extreme reaction. People WANT to hate it because it’s harder to hate on their bigger IPs (HI3rd,GI). The tv system isn’t that bad if you don’t see this as primarily a fighting game. Seems more like a persona-like game with all the choices we get. Not saying it doesn’t have flaws, but it’s not as bad as their other games.
Yeah, 100% agree. I think beta tester reviews were so negative, it honestly reduced my expectations to 0, so I ended up liking it as well way more than I expected. TV system needs a major rework in the future, but I can tolerate it for now.
@@LUCAS420BLZ Well a start would be reducing TVs for modes that don't need it such as anything that isn't the roguelite. They should've done this after CBT2 tbh
W take. to me this game feels more like it's an evolution of a traditional gacha, rather than some competition to their existing IPs + wuwa. Also the DANCE PARTNER metaphor is PERFECT *chefs kiss*.
9:30 biggest yes. The TV belongs to Hollow zero and hopefully they hear this feedback on all of the community and reduce the TV's in story going forward with 1.1
I think the kid characters being sexualised thing, is like this. They are not kids. They are adults, they work for a secret organization or a gang. Nekomata is not a kid. Lucy is not as kid. lol. And you guys are saying they are kids just because they are short and don't have boobs. People need to stop being so dramatic about fictional characters. Certainly they shouldn't' sexualise actual baby/kid character, like for example, for Klee (Genshin) it's pretty obvious she is a kid.
I was really excited for this game, but after playing for a few hours i found that it isnt my cup of tea so i decide to stick with wuwa, still appreciate the quality of the game, it so good
Watching videos about ZZZ before it launched, I would say I was unimpressed. As soon as I launched the game and started playing, I was in love. It’s so smooth, uncapped FPS being a thing is amazing, and the design/feel is so reminiscent of Studio Trigger that it hits on my love of their shows. The UI is so stylish and creative. The character designs are unique and the models are very clean-looking. People may not like the game for whatever reason, which is fair, but baseless claims that the game Is bad is just dumb. It’s by far the most polished gacha I’ve seen on launch, I mean we just saw how atrocious WuWa was on launch for the majority of players.
ZZZ wouldn't work for plenty of folks. I love the game, but it had its fair share of launch issues too. Not as bad as WuWa mind you, but the game not opening (mostly old devices, so a small issue), the whole world disappearing, and many glitches can't be called smooth. Not to mention the crazy amount of storage it took/takes on PC (I think they changed that, not 100% sure tho). I will say they fixed a lot of it quickly, but Kuro wasn't far behind in that respect either. So no, not a shockingly good launch, but not a dumpster fire either. As a side note, I think it should also be taken into consideration that they don't have to deal with an open world, but I won't pretend to know a lot about that sort of thing. I've heard instance games are less intensive overall, but word of mouth via random people on social media isn't credible.
funny thing, i am playing WuWa and ZZZ and i didn't have any bugs or optimisation issues in WuWa, but had 3 bugs in ZZZ when i needed to restart the game, as well as few crashes by itself im still enjoying both of them tho and in my experience optimisations issues are exaggerated, every game have bugs on launch i see bugs in ZZZ on multiple platforms, but everyone mostly are making fun of them, but any WuWa bug, even the smallest one, beeing disscussed as it is the most disgusting thing in the world
The only criticism I agree with that most people are saying is the tvs in story mode, they shouldve kept the tvs in a standalone mode like the roguelike mode, and the story mode shouldve been filled with cool cutscenes, combat, and the comic book style story, and that miyabi cutscene was legit like watching zenitsu do thunderclap and flash, shit was fire
The game doesn’t really give me the dopamine hit I get from other gachas, everything outside of combat is at least average, but combat is why I came and it’s why I left. Played it for two days and just didn’t want to play anymore. I’d say this good because it’s one less game to spend on.
Really enjoyed hearing your first impressions, definitely on a very similar wave length to my own. It's a real breath of fresh air after just hearing nothing but negativity. TV mode would have been fine if it was reserved for Hollow Zero imho. (I typed this just before you said it... 🤣) I agree with the 'lack of a dance partner' take too, when I started coming up against the harder enemies it improved a lot for me. Great video, keep 'em coming, look forward to hearing how you feel about it after some time with it.
The combat get's A LOT more complex during Shiyu Defense and Hollow Zero. There are bosses that won't telegraph a red or orange cross and you have to go off of their attack animations. You even have to dodge in the correct direction to avoid some of the attacks, plus you have a limit to how often you can dodge or parry before it goes on cooldown, so for certain multi-attack chains, you have to parry/dodge twice, then swap characters to continue dodging/parrying. It's important in later game modes because bosses can kill you VERY fast if you don't take them seriously (plus you have to take your team comp into consideration, elemental weaknesses, etc). Anyone who says the combat is button mash didn't make it through Chapter 2.
I don't understand this furry love/hate shmexualized approach. How does that even happen? People imagine someone with pants down with joystick out next to an animals? Or they look for 18+ pictures and come to wrong place? When I was playing Bloody Roar I found it a coolest concept to fight as a wild beast. Never crossed my mind people would enjoy it in a weard way. And even if they do, their fantasies are not the part of the game. To me Lycan just looks badass. Its people who remind me that someone likes it different way, at every possible moment, make it more weard to me than people who enjoy this stuff but doesn't force on me smexual narration.
I was vrey surprised when I unlocked hard mode at around inter-knot level 26 where the enemies actually were doing something and packed a punch. Would freaking love the option to permamently turn that on for the whole game. Mind it's not that hard since it's a gacha game but it was waaaaaay more enjoyable and refreshing to actually pay attention to how you play and dodge. Still the game is in early stages so I'm willing to hope that a more challanging content will come eventually. Time will tell. So far I've been having lots of fun. All people I've seen that bitch about this game so far didn't even pass level 20 - 25 so they didn't even see that mode. The whole thing kind of reminds me of story mode from genshin / hsr where the game is actually very easy to progress storywise but outside of that you can find harder content. Still really hate the tv stuff though but it's manegable.
I am so happy that someone finally talked about the enemies. The combat mechanics or in general is so fun, but the enemies suck ass. They are lowkey unresponsive and such a bullet sponge that it becomes super boring. Also the enemies have no variety. When I was p[laying I got bored of the enemies because they were always the same; its the same with environment. It is always the same map and its just bland. Love the vid man.
i might be the only person who likes the tv system. XD i think its charming and adds to the whole zone based concept. theres plenty of animations during the story so i dont mind it nearely as much
21:48 lmao, it's fine. I'll take Lucy if you don't want her😭😭😭 Anyway that rant about kids is dumb asf don't tell me smack is one of those who can't tell that these are just pixels who gives a fuck😂 stop saying "kids' as if they're real they video game characters lol
I think the problem with TV's is mainly when they decide to add puzzles into them. When you're playing them on the Swarm Disaster mode of this game it's not bad to have, but when they make you play some weird version of Bomberman, Wack-a-mole, etc. Then that's when it becomes a problem. That's not what we're here for. Of course these things aren't challenging in the slightest either. It doesn't add to the experience and just slows it down instead. It pulls you away.
"Free entertainment" I'm paying my time to a mid game this is the same argument that Genshin fans were making since the game release it's free so shut up and don't say it's bad
Its not a bad game, but after playin WuWa combat feels kinda cheap... A lot of players play gacha games for characters, u swipe and pull for your Waifu but u cant use her while running around/exploring? U can use your character only in combat modes/events that are approx 25% of whole game? Otherwise u are forever stuck with MC? This small detail is so stupid. Why Hoyo? Imagine that HSR won't let you use your beloved characters while exploring... I would never play that game again!
You could also look at it from another perspective of people who are attached to the main character and are disappointed to leave them behind since they fall behind in the meta. Allowing them to always be part of the gameplay experience is nice, especially since ZZZ is putting emphasis on the relationship between Wise and Belle.
@@syurno2220the people who are attracted to the MC is like a very very small part of the players, there might be a hundred characters but only 1 MC. Beside, nobody is stopping them from using MC in overworld, meta don't matter in overworld.
@@syurno2220 I am not stopping anyone to use MC if they like him/her, but if I give Hoyo 100 bucks for character I would like to use her whenever I want...
Bro, not being able to walk around as the playable characters in gacha games is NORMAL. Before games like Genshin existed it wasn't even a common thing you could do, 90% of gacha games are played though the perspective of the MC and tend to be menu based to navigate stages and ZZZ is just doing what's generally accepted as standard practice. Obviously you've been spoiled by the few games you've played that are newer and that's just how your perspective is going to be skewed, but it's not that difficult for most of us to accept who've been playing gacha for a while. (Not to mention it really doesn't make a lot of sense to randomly walk around as your favorite character when they have lives of their own to actually attend to in-universe, but that's just my opinion)
I wish it was a little more open world like Honkai Star Rail on Sixth Street, just enough to be able to run around and find things to do and collect a few chests here and there, just something to find like those little birds or even books or papers. Even in the instances they could add 2-3 hidden chests in the story missions for a little extra gacha currency.
HOYO game is not about challange anymore, its more about casual games with good bgm, art and stories. On the other hand WuWa also good at some of its story and recent BGM but imo and many their art (lore, music) is still lagking compared to HOYO games, but their main attraction is their action base which more challenging and much more dynamic. At this rate hoyo do not care about your oponion guys who looking for challenging games, they are so big that they need to do what necessery for their company existency, which is reaching for wider market, so goes casual it is cause most casual do not have time to hone their skills which is needed in WuWa. So all in all just enjoy those games whithout being bias, they all have their own pros and cons.
I think the TV System definitely has it's place, it's a stylized approach to the "Tower" type modes most Gacha have, and I can absolutely see it as PART of the main story, but to have almost every single piece of worldbuilding be set in these TVs with a combat stage every now and then? Not so much, we can clearly see this ZZZ team knows how to make atmosphere, 6th Street is incredible in that regard, and seeing Ellen Joe (and potentially others too? haven't gotten too far.) ACTUALLY pop up in random places is an amazing part of building a world that actually FEELS alive. I just hope they actually change the TV system to be far less prevalent, having it be there sometimes is fine, I remember a part of the story where the sibling you chose got stranded in a Hollow, and the TV section simulated enemies and missile strikes preventing a direct approach, and that was cool as a one-off. That being said I'm really enjoying the game overall and I hope the dev team continues to build up this amazing world they've setup, I'm optimistic.
I certainly don't think it's garbage but I have currently finished all of the main content the game has to offer (quest wise) and I simply find it boring. So many of the aspects look and sound cool but the gameplay just isn't satisfying to me and nothing about the game has pulled me in yet. I'm left with this hollow feeling as if the game just doesn't really have a clear identity to me. I don't believe the hate is warranted but in that same token it's all opinion so to each their own I guess.
@@Wakasoul No brother as in I've gotten to that point and it wasn't particularly fun for me most of the time. I just wanted to give it a proper shot first before deciding to drop or not.
@Wakasoul reading comprehension in the mud rip I've beaten everything and it's boring =/= its boring because there's nothing left, but rather that everything that he did beat was boring
The only thing that really bugs me is that the TV mode is used too often. If they left it in the simulated universe type game mode, I would be totally fine with the gameplay.
-"and for free entertainment to say this game is garbage is disingenuous or an idiot" So what, you arent allowed to think a game is bad just because its free and has good graphics? I prefer my games being fun and if graphics and it being free is the only selling point of this game, its hot garbage.
ZZZ is great when you realize the game is just trying to be fun and entertaining. It has incredible production value, great characters, fun combat, and tons of content with a lot more coming in the future. People need to stop with these comparisons to WuWa and complaining about how this game isn't E-Sports level...relax and just learn how to enjoy something
Well to be fair zzz stan started this war about zzz will blow wuwa combat out of the water. Now they are being attacked not just by Wuwa stans but all gacha communities.
@@HazardTone a distinct pattern I've seen is disgruntled hoyo players attacking it the most because they bring up genshin when we're discussing an Arpg needing work
I’ve commented this on other ZZZ videos so I’ll condense it here, I say, I know all the issues this game has, can acknowledge them and still say with 1000% confidence, this is still my favorite Hoyoverse game, so even if this ends up being the least popular, I’ll stick with this one to the end because I love everything about it.
@@Safekeep23 I'm just saying that it's like MMBN in a way that the battle happens via simulation (jacking). I don't like that the story itself happens on the TV, I just wish that it's like MMBN where in the main solution is in the net itself and the real life (in game) would just present the problems. TWEWY is the same thing. The way TWEWY present its story is like how ZZZ present it, like a manga kinda. The clothing brand is like the factions of some sort. But not in any way the battle style itself. The battle style switch tech is more like the MvC.
TVs are basically ascii roguelikes but more stylized. Yes it's ultimately very abstracted but it's also very well executed when you realize what they have been going for. Although i will admit that this makes it niche in nature.
I think the concept is very good but the issue comes from all the animations that make the mode pretty slow and feel tedious. Gameplay modes like this heavily benefit from being more seamless.
Same, I actually logged off and headed back to genshin after like the second mission, but then returned and finished the first chapter in one sitting. Which I realized I’ve now done with all 3 hoyoverse games lol. Join, log off, log on, top tier game out of nowhere
I'm in the, this is boring stage rn. Just about to sit and watch some TV in the story. Very few battles so far. Pulled the stupid ice wolf, wanted anyone but him. Oh well, at least I have some other maid lady with a table saw on a stick to go with him.
@@kylecarey4189I feel you. If you take the story like watching an anime it does get enjoyable and put a smile on my face. Also the teaser for future story in hollow zero where we get made in abyss people is getting me hype
For me its the opposite. It becomes tedious after a while. In part because of the stamina gating that hits really early in this game, in part because of how tedious the TV system is. That said, I'm a bit biased since I had to reroll twice to get a character I actually enjoyed playing. Without that id probably be more positive.
Finally I can find a streamer who have a positives insight about this game. I, myself.. truly love this game a lot. Since I'm a Persona fan, and seeing this is almost look a like but different. But still I like it. more casual and not to complicated. The visual , the music, the mechanic , all were perfect to me. This game just release and it need more time to be perfect. Let the dev's cook. And may in the future it will be more amazing
