It "spits black smoke" because you have the wick set too high. This will cause blackening of the glass. If correctly adjusted, the lantern should not emit any visible/black smoke.
The foil used to cover the holes cuts down the draft. The lantern you used is known as cold draft design which is what the 2 tubes on either side. The holes draw in air. Get yourself 2 jupiter lanterns. They hold over half gallon fuel and will easily heat that little tent....add essential oil to eliminate the smell.
Almost died once in Micronesia when my hosts left a low lit kerosene hurricane lap running in my 8x8 thatched room. They thought I was scared of the dark. I learned the hard way that venting is important. Wow, what a headache in the morning due to lack of oxygen, but I was thankful I woke up.
I am thinking it will actually warm pretty good, like 25-30 °C I visited a girl living in a tin cabin, not insulated, she had a woodstove, but she also lit a bunch of candles for light and heat, and in the dead of winter, I found it so uncomfortably hot that I had to strip down to my boxers just to stop from sweating! Also I think that could have been why she lit the candles lol, but it did make a noticeable difference!
My guess is 18.5 celcius. I used the same lantern in my tarp tent last night. I didn't use a pipe because I had an opening in the front and plenty of air circulation underneath and still noticed about an 8 degree difference.
i've had my oil lamp out over the weekend in my hammock and tarpaulin setup and it kept me warm and i had 8 to 10 inches gap from ground to tarp yes i could smell the oil burning but I slept alright nice and warm👍
I bought a lantern for this very purpose...My thinking was to say a half hour before turning in ...fire it up, to take the cold out of the tent, and again fire it up in the morning
Suggestions burn a Tilly lantern or Coleman lantern inside a wood burning stove. Reasons for doing it, clean air plus if you don't want to show smoke it would be a stealthy way of heating. Plus kerosene lamps can flare up. I was thinking of trying it in a flat or camper van.
We used tea lights inside our tent ( very dangerous but all we had) and that would generally raise it about ten degrees until it got under -5 to -10...depending on wind....
Interesting experiment, I guessed maybe a 3 or 4 degree difference. I remember using a Coleman lantern in my friend's ice shanty when we were ice fishing. I can't remember if it was a propane or white gas lantern. It was a good size shanty, it fit 3 adults. It got really toasty in there and we had to take our jackets off. I have a Little Buddy heater. Wish they could come up with a mini one that you could fit in a backpack and not take up a lot of room.
you could make an adaptor out of your bean cans or flexible heater pipe Also you can use the higher quality indoor oil Also you could have put a CO detector in there too
I have the iron wall tent and I use my Dietz #80 in my tent using it in deer camp and to get the chill off as I go to bed and when I get up in the morning. Along with just various things I may be doing in the tent. Using the oil with bug juice to chase them off when the georgia bugs are hitting hard.
I'm late to this experiment, but I wonder if an open metal hood (upside down funnel) just above the lantern would allow enough draft up the stack. A large metal coffee or bean can adapted to the stack might do the trick. You could use a tin can on the very top to stop weather, rain, etc. from coming down the stack. Even a real metal funnel cut to fit could be a perfect field expedient solution for a draft hood. High temp tape used in HVAC might also help. Any temp above hypothermia works for me.😂
Nice experiment! I've heated up tents nicely with propane and gas lanterns but it's not safe without proper ventilation so I turn them off when I go to bed.
Try the experiment with "Klean Heat." It was very hard to find, but I lucked out at Tractor Supply. Add a baffle that can help reflect the heat down. That liquid paraffin might coat your chimney creating another hazard.
i'd say around 20c, so 4c increase. Edit: Wow, better than expected. This is a really cool idea tho. I've seen other videos of people trying to use alternative methods of heat lately and theres some pretty interesting concepts. One person was using a piece of copper pipe that's placed directly in their fire and runs into the tent. I'm not sure if it's working like a boiler system or if its just radiating heat from the pipe, but it seems to be another simple method that works.
I use the following product in my lanterns since I find it more pleasant inside the house when power goes off during winter (I heat with pellet stove and it needs electricity for auger feed and blowing fan for hot air). The product is as follows: Hôme Lamp oil Paraffin based Bight burning, odourless and smokeless.
I primarily heated with a pellet stove for several winters and it can be done. A back up generator is a good idea and needed if the electricity goes out. The hard part is dealing with the 40 pound bags every day, but they do make good re-purposed trash bags.
Hi, forgot to mention I use a few uco candle lanterns in my tent during winter and10 hour clean burn deep night lite candles and it gets pretty hot when I use 5 of these to cook onwith a triopd in my tent. Like your videos, thanks from Martha on my hill in cornwall UK.
That was a really great idea. Now the question is how much heat is actually put out by the glass lamp & how much by the pipe? Do it again & use a thermal scanner on a piece of aluminum put next to each piece. My guess is that the pipe radiates a minimal amount by comparison so I'd start looking around for the largest lantern I could find. The genius of using the stove pipe is that it not only reduces the fumes significantly but also redirects the soot those things produce when you have the flame on high. One other idea.... Could you add some scented oil to the paraffin to make whatever smell does escape smell better? I'd add a pine or cedar scent to it if possible.
@@Lonewolfwildcamping Kind of validates the work too. Notorius at last?!? Thumbnails now, then it's your toenails...Cheers for the reviews, very helpful.
some gas lanterns burn at 1g per hour. meaning it would be feasible to heat up a winter tarp (with doors) for a hammock setup with one of these. That's pretty cool if you ask me.
Not outta work to watch this yet. But this is what I’ve been doing with the uco candlelier. At least in moderate temps it seems to keep a baseline. ...moderate temps. Atleast until my t1 arrives this weekend.
Can't you look at temps on your phone. So you didn't have to lose any when opening the tent? And would a floor in tent help? So no cooling coming from floor?
I would suggest next time to put the thermometer on the level where your body will be in the tent, and to put some type of carbon monoxide detector at the same level 🙂 The test is very interesting, and for me is interesting how the shape of the tent (dome, tunnel, pyramid) affects on the temperature at the level where the body will be in the tent. Sorry but my english is not very good 🙂
How about putting aluminum 1/2 way around lamp like a heat reflector and send it mainly towards yourself; my dad did this when night fishing so light did not go into our eyes and we could still see the water and the fish when caught [aluminum does not touch lamp you make it stand by itself by folding like a V or U]
Since heat rises it should be warmer around the top of the tent verses the floor. 5 around the ground 10 higher up. How about using synthetic kerosene? I’ve heard it burns cleaner and hotter. That what a friend of mine uses and swears by it.
If you're going to adapt the lantern why not include a heat sink like a metal canteen at the top. That way it's radiate heat more effectively. This looks like a great solution for Southern winter camping.
My hypothesis is most of the heat generated will leave the tent thru the pipe so you might get a little heat but I dont think it'll be a big difference. A second thought is you might be suffocating the fire... the holes covered by the pipe is both intake and exhaust and the holes you are gonna cover with aluminum foil is intake not exhaust. EDIT1: I thinking no more than 5 degree Fahrenheit ... which is something like 2.5 degrees Celsius. EDIT2: Whoa, that's quite a difference. An oil lamp would be simpler to modify and you can pretty much exhaust 100% with no effort... safety/fragility might be an issue compared to an oil lantern though.
Hi Lone: Interesting experiment For years I've used the 3 candle UCO lantern Before I go to sleep & light again upon waking .I think 16C or 61F . does not eat up calories like 5C . I would like to see this experiment again at a lower temperature. Stay Safe & Thanks Brian 80
As odd as this sounds I’ve been thinking of how to heat my van as a diesel heater blasts me out on low , I just want something to assist in balancing the temp I will keep you posted I just thought of what you did a week ago but was a scared but now I’m not fresh air in exhaust out
@@Lonewolfwildcamping Seems like it would be great where there is just a little chill in the air and you want to keep your tent lit But pack a little lighter. Great experiment thanks for taking the time to do it
I would guess a temp increase of 15 to 20 degrees anywhere above say...15 degrees F without a stiff wind....snow pack will make a big difference as well....I'm halfway through so I don't know if my estimate holds, but it's based on experience living outdoors in the Alaskan winter....literally....we had a 15 degree difference inside a tarped enclosure around our tent and kitchen with a roaring fire, out of the wind....until it went under -5 F....
If you had a 90° elbow inside the tent and exit out the side it would be much more effective at capturing all that heat you saw coming out of that 6ft pipe and keeping it inside the tent 👍
For the weight, I think you would be better off with a half dozen tea candles. Each one puts out 50 BTU, I'm guessing that lantern puts out about 300 BTU. That way you are only carrying the fuel (the candles) Each candle lasts about 3 hours, so it would get cold at night, but there are 8-hour and 12-hour candles out there.
This is a nice test, i would suspect it wont be as efficient at sub freezing temperatures. You need more BTUs for it. I do think a bigger Kerosine stove with 8 wicks and some modifications can do it. You need a bigger mesh heat spreader and a reflector to begin with. Basically a tiny version of a larger home Kerosine heater. I recently acquired a model 138 from a Chinese company that makes these green stoves in the millions. Weighs about 700 grams and can be modified easily to produce heat more efficiently. Costs about $15 with shipping. A liter will get you up to 8-12 hours burning (cooking) time at your leisure. All parts can be easily folded (Nested) inside a Pan or cylindrical cooking set. Only the base should be changed to significantly reduce the packing size. Kerosine or Parafine should be able to be drained back in a bottle.
I've been wanting to pick up a hot tent for a while, since during the warmer months fires are banned. But I was quite disappointed when seeing the $500 to over $1500 price tags on hot tents. Am I looking in the wrong places, or are these things really that expensive?
You should have a vent at the bottom of the tent to vent Carbon Monoxide and you should sleep on at least a slightly elevated sleeping platform. Carbon Monoxide seeks the lowest level...you don't want to be at floor level....for many reasons....
Ever heard of the trick with terracotta plant pots and candles. I believe you needed terracotta Water trailer to that you put under the plants. An old family friend who was a survivalist said he use that trick in Alaska and it worked amazing! I've been thinking about building a tiny home and I thought perhaps that's a way that offset heating costs in the fall... though I doubt tiny homes have expensive heating costs.
i've used my dietz no.8 since 2012-ish and it'll keep my polish lavvu somewhere around 18-25C depending on flame size, but my dietz 2500 jupiter will bring it up to an insane 32C and higher depending on flame size, the jupiter is a bit overkill for what i do but they make another one called the 2000 that actually has a flat top for cooking with pans on using regular lamp oil has never given me issues and i never had to vent it with pipe or anything (probably because of the armholes and lack of skirts), there's some smoke at the start but it goes away quickly and the draft from under the lavvu carries away the smell and any risk of fumes, never had a monoxide alarm go off yet
Loved this! Do you plan on putting bit to a real world test? Cold snowy overnighter perhaps? If you do...besides the mods you already proposed I would suggest a reflector and/or a stone enclosure to reflect and radiate the heat. Great job man. Really enjoyed this episode!
@@Lonewolfwildcamping We used those lanterns in the army in the tents. (pig tail coil that rested on the center pole), however, a by product was "tent eye". red and itchy eyes the next day. Usually, from lack of ventilation.
Good idea.A slidable collar round vents & fold out triangle attached to lantern with peg out points/square based lantern ?.Mmm,be surprised if someone like Onetigris not taking note.Sending a Howl out 2u from UK.🐺
SO... why not use candle lanterns? Like the UCO Candelier, they work with a larger family tent without pipe already. Yes it’s wide, but it is usable to boil water so basic cooking as well.
Many people like the lantern over a candle, and the lantern is a closed flame that can be used outdoors with out being affected by wind. I mean really why not just use a wood stove 🤷♂️😁
@@Lonewolfwildcamping The UCO Candelier has 3 candles (so heat and light can be regulated) and its an enclosed flame which can be used outdoors. It's also way lighter and compacter than a stove. But then again I wish I had a stove.
You couldn't do it in this experiment, but you might try this with a flue damper, to slow the escaping gases. Some would claim that you're keeping more of the heat and burning less fuel by not "letting all the heat go up the chimney." I've also thought about putting fins on the stovepipe, to improve the heat exchange with the air in the tent/compartment. I came upon this video looking for a lantern heater, and this one popped up. It might not smoke at all out those holes, covered with foil or not. I think the commenter, below, who calls it a "cold draft" is probably on the right track. Many's the time I've seen sparks go up a chimney through a hole where there was a missing fastener. The spark told me it sure enough was a hole. Never have smoke coming out that hole. Air passing over that hole creates a vacuum (Venturi effect) so the chimney's pulling air through that hole. So maybe you were just causing it to burn less like it was intended, and choking it a little.
The stove pipe is warm ,because that's where the heat is leaving the inside of the tent. If the lantern is vented there is no way to avoid that parasitic BTU loss. A Jupiter lantern with a 7/8 inch wick will give slightly over 1000 BTU output running on Kerosene. If you expect to cook with that you will very disappointed. Seeing how this video is a year old , you must have already learned that.
