House of the Dragon S2E05 live Q&A discussion 

@jessjess23brooks89 He's muthafuking S(e/i)r Simon, you can't dislike the guy. He knows good food is important. He keeps a black goat of death. He don't give an f about the King Dot Dot Dot Consort or his dragon and walks in on his highs to remind him he was going to talk to muppets. Simon just doesn't give any fs.

@@gleann_cuilinndude this is not good enough of a spoiler warning by the time I read the word I'd read enough of the sentence to put it together 😢

Just an old fart

@@gleann_cuilinnput more spaces before your spoilers dude

Dont trust him...... he should have explained what was up with this witch bastard running around. Can he see her?...

The less we vote the less power it has

@@BurgermanForever-nh2vp your votes are chosen for you

@@BurgermanForever-nh2vp When your mummy gives the choice between McDonalds or Burger King that's what it means to be making big boy decisions for yourself

He's heard wrong.

Well it’s not like we would know

Did not expect to turn around & feel crazy bad for Aegon now lol

Especially "mummy" like a child. I hate that they made me feel feelings for him two episodes in a row.

i was already crying, seeing Alicent touch him for the first time with affection, then the “mummy” absolutely destroyed me

@@manaash4316 It's sad because he's still a "kid" by our standards. He's a king that's married and has children but he's only about 18 (which yes would make him legally an adult but barely) and looks even younger. Funny because in real life Tom Glynn-Carney is 29 haha. EDIT: In the scene when Aegon and Alicent are in the carriage on their way to the coronation, he says to her "My father had 20 years to name me his heir and never did." So Aegon is 20 so not a kid at all. But he still looks and acts young.

He didn't want to be king. He only embraced it when he was shown acceptance by the commons, acceptance he felt he didn't receive from Viserys.

The gods put Aegon on the throne, and the wicked beast didn't heed their divine words

@@Warriorten10but… I thought dragons were gods

This scene was funny to me.

Definitely implies dragons have free will and decision making abilities

but also the dragon is just meat

Then he gets drowned

@@jefftaylor8644 Why the fuck would you comment spoilers

@@j4ouurrlol

Jace out here serving face!

@@jefftaylor8644 I knew someone would say it. lol, the first comment.

Like Mr. Incredible... "Sure, I've got time."

He's doing that to pass the time.

I swear everytime I see Daemon doing side quests id be like bruh for real?😂

that last bit was written and translated by aegon

you can't declare a war for a kingdom teir title without enough prestige, the harrenhall event will help as well as level up his stewardship.

He probably didn’t think they’d parade his banners around

That's the thing from "The Prince", Daemon read it apparently...

Daemon specifically told them that the crown can’t be seen carrying out atrocities, etc. The Blackwoods ignored his instructions.

@@tiestofalljayslol 1000% they did NOT understand the assignment

@@tiestofalljays “that’s not going to stop me I can’t read”

Wanna see him come in and look at his family and just say “holy shit, these guys are crazy”

Yeah, he’s the “boarding school kid” that only comes around at Christmas

@@johansmallberries9874 not even lmao remember Viserys´ last meal with his "entire family save Rhaenys" haha however, Daeron wasn´t even mentioned.. suggesting he has never been part of his family - i.e., only been in Oldtown haha

I feel like he could get along with Helaena, it seems to me like she just experiences the world differently than everyone else but is otherwise a nice normal girl tbf. Certainly she has no love for Aegon and I imagine she wouldn't for Aemond, so maybe they'd agree that those two are mad and entirely too violent.

Imagine if he’s upset he wasn’t close to his family growing up before being exposed to them and realizing he dodged the metaphorical arrow

Also triplets Those 3 dragons should've been ridden by Dany, Jon and crazy Viserys ;(

She's also the prince that was promised, without her dragons humanity wouldn't have survived so it's understandable that she was fire resistant and had great control of her dragons

I like how they made Aegon so unlikeable and yet you cant help but feel sorry for the way things happened

It's also a great call back to her conversation with Rhaenys. "You have a window into power." And now the walls are closing in and that window has shut.

I was absolutely waiting for her to lose her gd mind & start yelling in that scene lol

@@leebarbs7176 Same! I was damn sure that she was about to have a full-on meltdown

Is that what an actual panic attack is like? I’m asking seriously not being sarcastic

I actually really liked that bc people often doesn't know panic attacks can be as quiet as for someone to not move or make a sound the way you can be next to them and not notice they're having one, and that's also thanks to great majority of its representation being about the "loud" ones, like Helaena's with the small folk, so it was nice for once to see one of the quiet ones.

and the fact her character was helping Jaehaerys 1 and Viserys 1 before they deaths is insane she dont care from her own son, she is not more the good person by far

Otto was the real hero. He tried to save the realm from Daemon. Now it is known after Ep5.

He even has similar bandages like old Vizzy on his last years

@@johansmallberries9874 Good observation !!!

Love this observation, great point. Although I do hope secretly that we get the final boss of harrenhal visions, in a scene with Viserys and Daemon

Definitely mummy issues!

I found it ironic but lovely writing that although Jace is mocking the idea of purebred Targaryens having a monopoly on dragon riding, he's unintentionally possibly risking status in in the eyes of commoners. If "anyone" can ride a dragon, what will people think?

​​​@@jackwalker4957Him questioning the supremacy of particular bloodlines, ones carefully guarded and cultivated, also challenges the perceived illegitimacy of bastards, two topics in conflict within himself.

@@hillbillypowpow that’s so wonderful - I hadn’t considered that angle. I wonder then if his need to emulate the action of Daemon comes partly from the need to prove his own legitimacy as a Targ to the “legitimate” Targs? He’s just seen Rheanys sacrifice herself in literal Fire & Blood - maybe he feels as if joining in on the action will “prove” himself.

It felt so real and relatable. Heard her breathing? 😶‍🌫️

I feel that it was also her fully coming to terms that Aemond tried to kill Aegon at Rook's Rest. Her realising how much Aemond, with little experience, was so prepared to be regent probably led her to the conclusion that he was always planning to usurpe Aegon right under her nose.

@@rahuldhargalkar yes! The labored, inconsistent breathes. Spot on. This cast is just an ocean of talent. And props to the director for that shot, the sound crew, everyone. Phenomenal job by all involved.

Nah that bed rocks.

Timestamp?

@@DatBoiTag It's around 43 minutes in the episode when Simon Strong brings Daemon a message, she walks behind Simon. I don't think she disappears, it looks like she just stands directly behind Simon. And Simon sees her, so doesn't make much sense she'd be a hallucination.

Alys is a skinwalker confirmed.

-28.25 in the timeline of the show.

@@DanteHellDrivestill would

I would say the only slow episode was this one, but I feel it was just a tool to set up future episodes

Ah, someone mentioned it, glad someone else caught it :0

I didn't quite register this amount of detail, but definitely noticed strange movements there and her disappearance. Sooo subtle and great

Well, even Targs seem to consider child-parent marriages inappropriate. Otherwise there was no reason to not marry Viserys to Rhaenyra after Aemma died.

⁠@@iliaponomarev1624I mean the Targaryens didn’t usually marry uncles to nieces either, the only person who tried to do that before Daemon was Maegor the Cruel, and he wasn’t exactly a regular Targaryen king. The point is that in general the Targaryens shied away from certain kinds of marriage but tended to place their notions of blood purity before morality (the rest of the seven kingdoms already reviled sibling marriages as an abomination and there was at various points a great deal of tension over it) and especially power hungry Targs like Maegor and Daemon were willing to bend and break what rules were in place to suit them

@@laurenbastin8849 I tend to think Targaryens just marry their closest single female relative that isn't their mother or daughter. It's just likely a sister or a cousin and rarely a niece.

Too much, even for a Targaryen *gags*

@@blaubeer8039 It's not even about morality. Obviously they don't care about that. What they will care about is an overwhelming majority of disfigured, diseased, and unviable babies being born. Big difference between two random sets of DNA from the same sources trying to make babies, and and two sets of DNA where half of it matches 1 to 1.

Kinda like Christon Cole These two should be very away from political power, but are pretty good militarily speaking

I like when the episode is showing Rhaenyra being a polítician but sucking in armies/tactics Meanwhile Daemon is raising an army and sucks at polítics all by showing BOTH in council and with the chimney thinking about the fire 👍👍👍

@@carlosoramasramos8911 gee almost like it's a poltiical war and not a political wine tasting contest. FFS they are the only ones recognizing the gravity of the situation. The Greens need political legitimacy. That's why Otto pursues it. It's not because he's a fucking empath, or womanly, or a nice guy. It's because he's pursuing war by other means, while Rhaenyra allows it. And every second that Rhaenyra refuses to pursue violent victory is another second that the Greens spend putting birds in hand that would otherwise be in the bush.

@@gezenews I think your rant went a little bit off the rails there for a sec, no need to take it that seriously

​@@gezenewswe see this episode that the Blacks are going to spread propaganda in Kings Landing

Its the Holdo Maneuver of HoTD

Better to pretend it never happened. Rhaenys functions better as a character that way.

​@@abudgie6909 Agreed my headcanon is that Rhaenys and Meleys just escape from the back entrance of the dragonpit.

I think Viserys and Daemon have a convo on who was moms favorite in S1 as well

Yeah, she died giving birth to her 3rd child who also died. But yes, she rode both of them on her dragon Meleyse

@@catchacollapsingstarI thought she was the one that got drunk and broke her neck horse racing.

​@@alanfulcher460 Different sister. Alyssa was like the third wildest sister.

@@alanfulcher460 That was Vissera , who tried to seduce Baelon after Alyssa died.

If they wrapped up HOTD this season the EXACT same crowd will complain that they rushed it. Complaining just for the sake of it either way

@@Anvil35yes because it’s rushed and boring at the same time. The only action comes from battles, while we got hours of empty and shallow and poorly written dialogue. Did you guys even watch the first seasons of got? Or the first 2? Nearly zero battles but you couldn’t keep your eyes away from the screen.

It is also not ''character assassination'', it is not his fault that the weirwood gives him weird visions

@@belablanck The term "Character assasination" along with "Bad writing" and "Team black bias" have become annoying substitutes for "Thing in dragon show I dont like"

@@Alexander-kc8oqpretty much

don’t wanna bother anyone but can anyone remind me what did jaime do? i don’t remember brackens and blackwoods in got at all

@@niraisatsana It’s in In A Feast for Crows, I think the show just kept the siege of Riverrun.

@@alantyndall85 the funny thing is, Jaime gives I think his Blackwood hostage basically the same advice as Daemon - do war crimes to win, like my dad would

@@niraisatsana It is in the books. It is part of the aftermath of the Seige of Riverrun. Jaime Lannister in books and show was sent to the Riverlands to get Blackfish to surrender Riverrun. The Frey have been incompetently unable to take it. Jaime threatened and released Edmure Tully and he ordered his men to surrender. Jaime Lannister after that was sent to deal with the Blackwoods. After the Red Wedding, most of the Riverlands had sworn to Kingslanding. But the Blackwoods wouldn’t. Tywin Lannister empowered the Brackens to fight against them and it developed into what was called in the books The Siege of Ravenhall, with the Brackens surrounding the Blackwoods who were being starved out. Jaime Lannister shows up and just negotiated an end to it. The Brackens wanted a bunch of land and concessions. Jaime cut it down to what the Blackwoods would agree to. He arranged that the Blackwoods surrender was directly to Tommen, because they would die before surrendering to the Brackens . He demanded a hostage from each House to live in Kingslanding as page and lady in waiting in order to ensure both houses good behavior. Jaime learns a bunch about the history of this region and show’s talent in political maneuvering. There is a theory that these two hostages may one day marry and end the Bracken Blackwood feud.

At that pt, Jaime had lost his hand, was bitter abt his Dad's passing and his Brother's part in it. And most of all, hating Cersei and his own legacy. So, he focused on his peace of mind and promise to Catelyn in the remaining war effort - to bring the Brackens and Blackwoods under the throne. He had to rely on his wit and others bravery as his own was limited by his right stump.

THIS. santa needs to stop sitting with his thumb up his bum and FINISH YOUR FUCKING STORY!!!!!

What part was he complaining about exactly?

I think he would earn alot if he released just one book during all this hype for his franchise.

@@ikram-258 blood and cheese, Maelor's absence, dragons having 4 feet, and then some

@@sorasorisora i agree with him when it comes to blood and cheese, i also didn't like mealor's absence

Is that true?does hugh tame the cannibal?

@@LynxxMan Nah i wont spoil too much but Cannibal never has a rider. Hugh gets another dragon

@@brandonl7759 that's so badass

@@brandonl7759I can’t wait to see cannibal!

When I saw clearly she's definitely not Aemma, I kinda got who she was...

​@@iliaponomarev1624yeh I've watched too much GOT to fall for that one anymore

@@iliaponomarev1624 I thought Aemma first too and was like "Oh dear"... XD

At first I thought it was Daenys the Dreamer

I actually immediately thought it was his mother but then I went to think it was Aemma because I didn't want it too be true

WE WANT MEAT Meanwhile the fat Strongs are eating like 3 or 4 different animals Lmao i didnt see it

Once again Rhaenys shoulda bounced with Daemon to go cancel Vhagar earlier this season lol throw in Syrax for good measure as backup...

​@@leebarbs7176that really wasn't a great time to do it, Rhaenys and Meleys really needed to rest and eat something. Next morning maybe.

​@@leebarbs7176A scorpion bolt in daemon's arse

@@leebarbs7176 Its such a clown show of a choice. Lets give randoms nuclear weapons, because I dont want to risk the lives of my relatives to claim dragons. BUT i am 100% willing to risk everyones life by trying to fight for my claim anyway. Its just brain rot lmao these writers. Also about Vhagar, its like Daenerys and Euron's fleet, they kinda forgot about Vhagar until mid season 2 even though she one shot a small dragon with his rider, Episode 5 comes, "we have no answer for Vhagar".

​​@@ragetemplar5104Vhagar was defending King's Landing.. it wasn't obvious it would be at Rook's Rest. If it was obvious then Aemond and Chisten wouldn't have laid that trap in the first place. Calm down

It's very clear the showrunners want to show "woman good, man bad" rather than any nuanced take on the (many, many, many) downsides of patriarchy. They already did nuance in the first half of GoT, why paint a mural with a brush when it's so much easier to just dump it on straight from the bucket?

Well thats stupid then because that's exactly what they showed in that scene

I was watching this with my brother and at that scene I said, "oh no, she didn't know? :(" and my brother was like, "well, yeah? she doesn't get texts. 🙄"

@@mischr13 My heart really hurt for her in that moment. It reminded me of Sansa learning of her mother and brother's death in relative isolation in King's Landing.

@@peppermint23 same. the acting in this show has been so phenomenal, across the board.

Yes and I’m always worried about him… poor pup.

I heard he got drunk & slapped another actor & got fired 😢😮 lol No but seriously, I don't think we will see him again 😢

Asshai does seem strange but it's deff Stygai that's the place on another level.

Asshai is exactly like people say it is, no sunlight and eerily quiet. People like Melisandre and Quaithe definitely speak seriously about it. Corlys likely didn't even step foot in Stygiai itself, having sighted what he said was Alyssa Farman's ship.

@@SantomPh That's just your head canon

​@@Red1Green2Blue3lol if he had been to Stygia we would know. Would literally be the first human we know of.

@@dummbobqqqqq Who said he went to Stygia?

Agreed, totally smash

And Balon cheated on her!

​@@iliaponomarev1624I don't think he ever cheated on her. But she did die very young. Lots of time for Balon to find physical comfort. He never even remarried.

@@iliaponomarev1624 lol you have to make assumptions about Ulf’s age and the likelihood he’s telling the truth to believe that

@@jessjess23brooks89 isn't his bastard literally older than Daemon? Wouldn't he, in any case, have him before of his marriage? Bc after her death looks impossible

I think you may be right. It seemed out of place at the time but especially now we're hours of runtime on and it's barely been talked about

I wonder if higher ups in HBO pressured them into adding more 'action' into the episode... I know the showrunners said they did it to 'look cool', but they're hardly going to say 'yeah, we were forced to add that scene, we didn't want it' on tv.

The stream is “no spoilers” - so if there are obvious spoilers he won’t cover them. maybe just unlucky this time otherwise? are you superchatting non-spoiler super chats?

If you are, then yeah maybe he just doesn’t get to covering them

Yeah you know people can open up superchats for a few minutes then close them so they can make sure they dont get overwhelmed, if not and your chat isn't read that's just taking your money, why I personally would never ever pay for a RU-vid comment to be read out

@@rileyjoh19 No spoilers, he just doesn't get to them all. Theres so many people and chats its just not possible. Streaming for hours takes alot out of you. I'm not worried about him reading chats

@@ciarandodrill3562 I really enjoy Shifts work. He has given alot of time and content to the fans. I know it is alot of work. He deserves to get paid for his time and energy just like anyone else.

That is an interesting yet depressing factoid.

I think the dragons are very much like lizards where they dont care about their family much at all. Keep in mind these are the same creatures that you can just go up to and dig their eggs out of that hot mass they lay them in and walk away with them.

@@MindAndMyth Nah, they're definitely shown to have emotion and care - at least about their riders. Examples: Vhagar didn't want to kill Laena, Sunfyre was happy to see aegon, sunfyre prioritized saving aegon during their fall, Meleys had an apologetic look towards Rhaenys as she was dying - etc. Definitely not emotionless beasts.

​@cantfindaname123421 no one here said they're emotionless beasts. He's talking about them being lizard- like with respect to their apathy towards removal of their progeny, and not the magical partnership with dragonlords Great examples but you're totally off topic

Smooth brain comment. Because she wasn't aware of how unfair life is for women when she was married to a dying man as a teenager?

She specifically rides Drogon as hers, but Rheagal and Viserion also obeying her is very unusual- they could be obeying Drogon, who is essentially "big brother:"

@@SantomPh i mean before she's riding *any* of them she is still instructing and commanding all three.

Also, Dany breastfed her dragons. Must be something special about it.

she doesnt control all 3 of them. she barely controls drogon

They were also born using blood magic so they might be different

Respectfully - how would you know? 😂😂 In the last video he mentioned how sleeping on a weirwood stump gave Jaime crazy dreams but if I asked you what he dreamt about you’d have no idea, surely? I’m not trying to be a snob but honestly you really should read the books. I promise they’re better than watching people summarise them on RU-vid.

​@@infinitesquarezyou're totally right and I've had the books on my bedside table for some time but I've never got round to it 😅 but you totally have a valid point. I should probably stop commenting and start reading 🤣

⁠​⁠​⁠@@infinitesquarez You can understand the world of ASOIAF without remembering/knowing everything that happened in the books. That’s also what the vids are for 😭

Don’t insult the best Jedi ever.

If only he'd had a reason to yell "LIAR!"

Aemond had the high ground

Yeah it's why the Targs are so incestuous for exactly that reason - the Velaryons are one of very few other Valyrian houses though who are also the richest by far - the partnership made sense as its between the two most powerful & also Valyrian houses.

I assume dragon blood is a thing, but warg blood can work as well.

Leana and Leanor have a Targaryen mother so they are part of a family tree. The dragonseeds are proof one needs Targaryen blood to ride a dragon. Even Brown Benn Plumm of the Second Sons seems to be liked by Dany's dragons, which he attributes to a distant Targaryen ancestor. Quentyn Martell fatally tries to control Rheagal because he has Daenerys Targaryen (the earlier princess) ancestry.

@@SantomPhDoes Addam of Hull have Targaryen ancestry?

There are subtle hints in Fire and Blood that Targaryen or even Valyrian blood may not be needed to ride a dragon. But house Targaryen definitely believes that it's needed.

You’ve head correctly

and why she wants to rule LOL is dumb ? she is not even half of the wits of OTTO she wants to be Rhaenyra 2 by doing nothing and making bad actions ? xD

I agree.

He loves her, doesn't he?

That is not a new theory!

@@rikzz0r I'm not sure if Aemond really "loves" Helaena. It's a nice little fan theory but I don't think that they are romantically involved (neither in the show nor in the books). I mean, yes, he defends her when Aegon complains about having to marry her, but in fact, he simply states, the she is their (true born) sister and he would perform his "duty".That doesn't really sound like love to me. Aemonds is simply 1000% Team Green, I'm afraid :D

Nooooo. Poor Cheese dog. I think he is just a loyal dog grieving his master. But he is a trained rat catcher and has been surviving I think eating rats. I am just hoping he gets adopted before this season ends.

😂

I think it's more that you don't need totally pure Targ blood

@@leebarbs7176 Disagree, his wording is specific in its scepticism of Targ exceptionalism Also in the lore it's speculated that there were dragonriders before Valyria so it can't be a Valyrian specific thing if that's the case

@@Red1Green2Blue3Well, counterpoint, there's no direct example in the books of a non-Targ riding a dragon... Possible? Sure, anythings possible, but it's certainly not a theory with much evidence lore-wise.

@@leebarbs7176 There's not, which is why I said it was an Easter Egg that was implying that. Also Nettles in the books has no confirmed Targ ancestor and she's a dragonrider

​@Red1Green2Blue3 but Nettles comes from a place where a chance of randomly having a "dragon gene" is kinda high.

Well it's certainly a meal for Kings, not a peasant like me. Also they don't actually eat people, they eat gold - it's why they're always sitting on giant piles of it! (Always Sunny reference for anyone confused lol)

If its heat-resistant, how would you fry it?

With a dragon

​@@illyria7756 I mean it's not like every part of the human body is resistant to the acid in our stomachs

I can't really keep focus when Daemon & Rivers are talking to each other, not sure why. I love the spooky castle & Old God's stuff, but.... It's the only part that took me out of it.

They'd have to be discreet with that so that the greens don't start killing the seeds to prevent more dragonriders on black side. But yea, the girl working at the pub should know a lot of people and rumors to find the seeds. Maybe the rumors to spread will be about the royals gorging on expensive foods every evening, or something similar to piss off the hangry smallfolk and point their anger at the nobles.

I can't wait for it to happen in the show. Cregan Stark is a badass.

@@LiamPowelluuu2 but probably gonna happen after s3

@Cruelrevolter If it happens it will be at the end of the series lol it's after the war is over and the last major 'event' before Fire & Blood finishes

@@LiamPowelluuu2 that's just what I said HBO is only planning 4 seasons Grrm said aswell

Totally agree! As we’ve seen, he’d actually hate being king. He can’t even handle the smallest amount of diplomatic tasks 😂

@@zuvaseven For real he was better suited for battle and Viserys better for ruling even though he hated the pressure, too. They had a good thing going but Daemon messed it up because he felt like nobody respected him.

Like Aegon, he really just wants approval and adoration. All his life Daemon was a rebel, rogue, being told that his way of life was not what was approved of.

Aegon and Aemond are mirror versions of Viserys and Daemon only they didn't have solid upbringings because Viserys got sick and Alicent was a deadbeat mother

Yeah, it was devastating when Larys went "The whole point of the succession war is that women can't rule. What are you doing?"

The "i voted for leopards eating my face party but i didn't know they were gonna eat MY face" people 😂

Judas goat

Usurping the throne, starting a war that will cause thousands of horrifying deaths by dragonfire, starvation and pestilence: I sleep. Experiencing a microaggression: I am literally having a panic attack right now.

I mean she ended her friendship with Rhaenyra because she was having good sex and Allicent wasn’t, and instead of thinking “I deserve that too” she thought “She should be just as miserable as I am.”

He's married to his niece who he held as a baby. Little mother sex DREAM is what crosses the line?

@@DibsEquipped You say that, as if everyone is cool with Daemon and Rhaenyra's relationship. I always thought that was creepy. So the line was crossed miles ago.

She's cute, why not?

​@thegreatpage5912 I thought that they were "yes and"-ing you and meant how Daemon himself wasn't disturbed by the first one, but that the dream of all things was what crossed his own comfort line lol (Obviously I don't know what tone they meant, but it works)

Sec with your mom is still gross. Just because Daemon is married to his niece doesn’t excuse how messed up a dream where he’s screwing his mom is suddenly cool. It’s pure shock value and doesn’t improve the plot and is disgusting. Nothing gained

I knew that was reminding me of something! I remember liking the movie and still can picture some scenes tho I haven't seen it in some 20+ yrs

Hardly.

It has a lot of potential at times but it def hasn’t come anywhere near close to seasons 1-4 thats for sure