How ‘Empire of Death’ Retcons Most of Doctor Who 

The TARDIS was destroyed in Frontios! Did Sutekh hold on to the biggest chunk? Was he inside the Master’s TARDIS inside the Doctor’s etc etc), the TimeLords never detected him on all those visits to Gallifrey? The White or Black Guardians, gods in their own right, didn’t notice or think to tell the Doctor? The TARDIS herself didn’t know or tell in The Doctor’s Wife? I could go on, but instead, I’ll just state the obvious: this episode like the entire season was dire, poorly written, not at all thought out or revised after asking oneself the questions writers always should. And I’m not a hater, not a homophobe, am instead a lifelong Doctor Who fan who was absolutely overjoyed when RTD was announced as coming back, as I just knew he’d make all the course corrections that had gone horribly wrong during Chibnail’s era and even the last few years of Moffat’s time (far less excruciating instances). I was so, so wrong and it’s terrible. I can only think RTd was distracted, on medications or something that utterly sapped his usual brilliance and creativity as this entire season Was just an embarrassing mishmash of past RTD tropes as well as other seasons (dusting the universe after it just got dusted in The Flux? A mystery woman appearing the same everywhere the Doctor goes (Clara anyone?) and in fact has been happening since the fourth doctor’s first series but the Doctor only just now noticed (but noticed off screen since they show up to UNIT already wondering who she is). Like they developed their Sutekh plan off screen or did I miss the whistle and leash plan? Like the importance of needing metal in the TARDIS and thus the spoon scene but it was pointless and came out of nowhere serving no purpose. NCuti and Millie deserve better,we fans certainly, absolutely deserve better. Unless S2 is a massive improvement, there is zero chance this will continue on Disney and I doubt even the BBC will continue it will the 2million viewers. Please RTD fix Who, especially the damage you’ve done this series!

RTD has no interest in making Doctor Who good again, just wants to do what he is doing. Make another queer as folk but with the doctor. It’s not homophobic to not want a gay Nigerian actor who can only play a gay Nigerian actor. We hear these same people say they don’t want str8 people in anything so why is it ok for them but hateful or homophobic or racist when we say it. We need to stop falling for that. They have basically unleashed a whole bunch of crazies into the writers room with no talent and a mind full of ideology. They need to actually listen to the fans, you would think losing millions of viewers might make them think twice but it does not because they don’t care if they kill the show as long as they get their ideology in.

No, Sutekh was killed in Pyramids, the whole excuse of how he survived is rubbish.

Totally agree that Mel finally gets her time to shine ✨

There is no spoon.

also Whitaker made her sonic screwdriver with spoons.

😂🐕‍🦺💩

THAT'S how he comes back for the 100th. Nailed it.

Isn’t 15th the clone one as tennant went back to the og tardis as the one with the juke book came Out of the og one and 15th has the cloned one

Wouldn't have it any other way 🥰

Love the hint that Miss Flodd might be Missy Flood, Sea... Miss Sea, Missy !!

@@througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914 pretty weak clue. That's something Moffat would do, not Davies

@@througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914 When I think if that line I tend to think of either Clara or River Song. But it will probably just turn out to be RTD trolling us. lol

@@RemyBent it could be, but remember Missy became good so she could be ... or the Rani, or the tooth of the master possessing Miss Flood, thinking she is missy... Cuz overall i still think Isaac Newton is the master in hiding for a while. MAVITY of the situation is still not explained after season1, like Miss Flood... Miss Sea , i sign and persist XD

@@RemyBent the other point i had correct was that it was Hariet Harbinger seen from the back in the TARDIS in that preview of the finale. NOT tennant!

Don’t forget - “This is so Black Mirror”

Series 4 finale did that first.

Feels more like a religious sort of symbolism thing? Than a logical sci-fi sort of thing.

I’m not totally sure, but I think it might have meant bringing death to death, as to killing the death. Idk tho

What if u take death to be -1 and use multiplication instead -1 x -1= 1. Could justify multiplication being across all of time, coz they were in the vortex 🤷🏾‍♂️

@@TheConnorBaird it was not clear, was it… eh, I’m sure the fans are headcanoning it for us as we speak. Erm… type.

@@Vixis6 that’s not a bad solution to the math! Still…

Cloaks were HUGE in 2004.

The most I can think of is she didn't want it somehow getting back to her abusive father that she dropped off a baby, so she hid her face from people and cameras, while still being able to give the name.

@@Jansenbaker Yeah most people would be wearing a hoody to achieve that, where would you even get a robe from lol

Given the popularity of LOTR, Star Wars, and Harry Potter in the early 2000's I think a cloak would be fairly easy to get at a costume shop or something in '04.

Love the hint that Miss Flodd might be Missy Flood, Sea... Miss Sea, Missy !!

Yeah, but the Doctor didn't intentionally drag her to the end of the universe and time

Nice connection. Definitely hits different

I know the actor of Manchester man and he is such a lovely bloke! Hope he gets more to do :)

@@robinlyons6916let him know we’re glad he’s back!

The way I described it to one of my friends is that they "Rey skywalkered" her. Build up a big mystery about them just to turn round and say they were just normal Edit: just got to that part of the video 😂

Haha forgot about that one! Yep, sounds plausible 😆

Interesting! Did not know about that particular adventure. Thanks for this - we'll need to check it out

I have sent a message to David Bishop to see if he wants to give a response have not received any contact back yet.

Allow me to also add there is a MUCH BETTER Sutekh story done by Big Finish, in the New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield range, with Sylvester McCoy's 7th Doctor And Sophie's Ace - Volume 02: The Triumph of Sutekh also with Gabriel Woolf as the voice of Sutekh. A superb story and good listen

yeah it's a jackal, a chacal. Anubis/Set lore

It's not actually clear what Sutekh's, Set's, animal. To me it looks like an Egyptian hunting dog which would fit with his counterpart Horus who has a falcon, a hunting bird.

@@nealjroberts4050 jackal... in egyptian anthropology it's clearly a jackal

@@througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914 No, only Anubis has the Jackal. Sutekh aka Set has it's canine like animal. Look it up and see.

Maybe. Let's not find out for a few years.

I thought sutehk said he's the one that duplicated the tardis?

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Not to mention the TARDIS getting blown apart in Frontios, taking a bath in Z-neutrino energy in Journey's End, etc. Maybe he takes breaks...?

My train of thought is that due to the Toymaker making a jigsaw out of the Doctor's history, plus time and space being in flux starting from the 14th Doctor or even earlier during the events of the Flux in 13's era, I think that Sutekh originally wasn't riding the TARDIS but with those factors in play, maybe time has changed and the Doctor and the TARDIS' timelines has been warped enough that Sutekh was able to latch on to the TARDIS as a consequence. It's also why I don't think Sutekh died at the end, and he might return at some point in the Doctor's future.

​@@PullToOpenI like to picture Sutekh perched on top of the TARDIS trying to avoid the Z-Neutrino like a cat dodging a bath

It's almost like it was written and directed by hack frauds.

You again, troll. Get out.

Do you mean among finales? Or do you really mean worse than Kill the Moon, Forest of the Night, Fear Her, Orphan 55? Personally, I like this one better than Last of the Time Lords, though I guess there's more "in universe justification" with the Archangel network supposedly concentrating the power of human belief making the Doctor Space Jesus thing work.

Obviously she's the husband of Mr Flood.

@@TheInedibleHulk Yes !! Got played on by a teacher in a new town, new school. Ha djust moved. I know people who share my family name in the region, and it's common as a name, so a teacher askls : "So you'Mr. X's son!" And replied : "Nah..." and then understood the joke XD

@@TheInedibleHulk amazing wordplay of a monicker... Master Kaio will admit you with us when you try and apply in the afterlife XD (i'm atheist but i believe in master kaio of DBZ for pranks)

We're sure. They said Sutekh was basically a passenger on the TARDIS in every episode since Pyramids of Mars, seeding "Susan Triads" all over the universe. Clearly not something the original creators of Pyramids of Mars intended. That qualifies as a retcon.

@@PullToOpen No its just continuing on from an old story, the show has always done this.

@@doctorsnail2148 It's a retcon, RTD changed the established narrative.

@@doctorsnail2148 You clearly have totally misunderstood everything you have ever seen and (probably) read. This is NOT a continuation. The programme has NOT always done this. The fact that you think so is both funny and worrying.

​@@julieanngoodwin30it's not a retcon at all. Everything still took place. Doctor who has always changed things later. Timelords and Gallifrey changed so many times over the first 30 years. Enemies that were dead came back time and time again, after being defeated. The Master, Daleks, Cybermen etc. Clearly Sutekh was weak and barely alive, took him a very long time to regain strength and evolve.

I tuned out mid-Capaldi and just browsed most of Whittaker. As much of a hack as Chibnall is, Fugitive of the Judoon was the best Who in years and I only tonight finally saw The Power of the Doctor, and really liked it. His era had a handful of high points. The show died for me when Tennant came back and destroyed the Donna Noble story, which used to be one of the most beautiful things in Who history. And the pronouns. And the incompetent horny Doctor waving his arms and stepping on things.... it is now truly dead. Doctor Who 1963-2023.

@@donatist59 Just come here from a love letter to the specials from a fan who watched everything David Tennant appeared in and put up a video that talked about how much she loves the 60th specials. Wild Blue Yonder was indeed something special imv. Apparently, the pronouns were fine when it was Jon Pertwee explaining that Alpha Centuri's are "it/its". 73 yards is a Doctor Who for the ages imv.