How 5v5 killed Overwatch 2 

I can't believe some people don't understand that 5v5 is the biggest problem in the gameplay. It completely ruined everything. Well spoken.

I loathe 5v5. As a Hammond main, I'm always asked to switch to a different tank(which never ever happened in OW1). It's not going to happen, because I"m as stubborn as a boulder, but It's still unfortunate. I think that's why we will never get a 6v6 in Arcade and Experimental. Blizzard knows all the classic players will jump on that and never switch

It would be nice if Blizzard had the intelligence to allow us to play both 5v5 and 6v6.

Blizzard doesn't realize that their competitive edge over other shooters is the projectile heros and the dopamine hit they provide when you land these slow projectiles on characters dashing around on hitscan fuckers. And yet, they get nerfed more than hitscans. Contempt towards devs is the common sentiment among the playerbase, and its perpetually increasing. I do genuinely believe that it is possible to make 5 v 5 work, its run into the same problem as 6 v 6 where the balance team fundamentally doesn't understand how the game works so they just turbo ruin the game.

5v5 is catered to those who play the game casually and occasionally, with that said, they catered to an audience who barely cared about its competitive aspect, they balanced the game to those who flock into other games. I actually think hitscan is heavily favored because the top FPS in the market have the hitscan playstyle. 6v6 felt more strategic and creative. The best part about Overwatch is the synergies you create and discover, though that didn't entirely disappear, it isn't as immersive as it used to be.

When tracer did 6 dmg in ow1 she was perfectly balanced and could go one on one with tanks but in ow2 when she did 6 dmg again she was instantly nerfed for being too strong.That’s the sad state of the game, they’re trying to use 6v6 characters in a 5v5 games it’s inevitable they’re gonna slowly change every character.

Thank you man. I felt like a was going crazy when OW2 released because I heard nothing but praise for 5v5 both from my friends and people covering it online, and to me it was the only thing that completely killed the chaotic fun that I used to enjoy in OW1. It was maybe the most poorly thought out and unessesary change I've seen in any game. Bugs and greedy battle pass all seen like minor inconvineices compared to how badly 5v5 fucks up the entire game. You can't just chop off a part of fundamental design and expect everything to go smoothly.

They never figured out 6v6, and people were expecting a completely new dev team to properly balance a completely new 5v5 format from a scratch? Sure.

5v5 stinks because getting randomly killed from spam happens much more frequently now, and the replayability of 5v5 is way less than 6v6 because there are no tank combos & much less tank interactions in the game to keep it interesting. Simplifying everything is how you lose replayability. 2-2-2 is just better.

I called this as soon as they announced it and I stand by it. There's so many obvious problems with the concept that were apparently just not considered. It would be funny how stupid it is if it weren't also sad.

Have felt this way since 5v5 change was announced. I think you are exactly right that you either play support or hitscan, or you pretty much go F yourself. As someone who was initially drawn to this game in 2016 because I enjoy the sort of RPG/MOBA elements of the game, as I was never really an FPS shooter player, this game was a dream to me. If it wasn't for heroes like Sym, Torb, Moira, Mercy, Rein, Winston, Brig, and anyone else that has a non-traditional weapon type, I wouldn't have ever touched this game in the first place. I would have been like, "Oh cool, another shooter. Good for the FPS players, but I'm going to skip this one and never even look into it because FPS titles are not really for me." I feel like everything that appealed to me about Overwatch got completely crushed with the switch to 5v5 in OW2. Now it's exactly like you said: play hitscan or support, cuz that's the only way you can make an impact. For example, playing Widow or Ashe means you can get picks from almost anywhere on the map from long range, and getting one to two elims is enough to totally win a team fight. Everyone else on your team doesn't really matter, they're just warm bodies running around providing basically the function of a meat shield for you so that you can stand in the back and snipe away. It basically feels like crap overall. Even heroes like Soldier and McCassidy are strong because they're hitscan. Playing tank is MISERABLE almost all of the time, when it used to be my MOST FAVORITE role by far. Sigh. I'm wasting my breath, I know. Edit: side-tangent... I think the dev team overlooked some obvious solutions to the problem that was double shield meta. I have read a lot of people talk about how double shield was a big part of the motivation to move away from 6v6 and toward 5v5. All the dev team had to do was re-design Sigma and Orisa, and then double shield wouldn't have been a problem anymore.

5v5 (1 tank) was probably necessary in their eyes because of the tank shortage at the end of ow1. Removing a huge damage mitigation unit from the field without drastically lowering overall damage created a lot of the problems you mentioned.

5v5 makes the game so empty but 6v6 is so chaotic and i love it also 1 tank is so bad if your tank doesn’t know how to play you lost i really hope they add back 6v6

The guy at the table that denies with Blizzard's decsions was probably fired

i have never understood the logic behind snipers in ow2, if im playing a hero that requires genuine aim and thinking about where i place my crosshair, i shouldnt be able to get one shot from across the map by a braindead 0 IQ drone whos getting pocketed in the backline

Heres what put OW on the chopping block in my opinion. 1.Role q ( ik this came out in OW1) 2.5v5 3.removing player portrait 4.removing player ranked icon 5.Battle pass 6.removing loot boxes 7.adding push maps 8.changed ranked icons ( no longer feel rewarding, they don’t look fancy and you can’t even see it under your character picture)

5v5 made the game even worse, if your tank is bad then your whole team will get steamrolled, there is no second tank to pick up the slack or synergise, the lack of shield also makes snipers OP

i am an echo main and i hate this game. all your points are valid but i want to add that i get a lot of incompetent tanks that are either completely passive and sit with the team or are turbo aggressive and die instantly. having another tank would be a positive thing for this.

5v5 fixed one problem shield meta but now introduced a million more problems. They should've just focused on nerfing shield meta instead of doing this.

I heard this one time and it sums up the dynamic of Overwatch and Paladins and that, is Overwatch is a casual game trying to be a competitive game and Paladins is a competitive game trying to be casual. Allow me to explain. When Overwatch was still 6v6, the league was announced. Immediately DIVE took over and never went away no matter the nerfs in OW1. Paladins has always been 5v5, had hero bans at the beginning of every Competitive match in case some hero was overpowered and you didn't wanna play against them (which is why nothing like DIVE exists in Paladins to my current knowledge), and also has regular hero releases to keep the game fresh. Take what I just said about Paladins and compare it to OW2. OW2 went to a 5v5 format, forced 1-2-2 to curve DIVE, and now has regular hero releases (keep in mind, it was a more than 2 YEAR gap between the release of the most overpowered character to ever be conceived in the game, Echo, and the release of any new character due to the release of OW2 when we got three new characters out of the gate). Overwatch is trying to copy the competitive feel of Paladins, but does so in all the wrong ways. If the OW team wanted the game to be competitive, they should have built the entire thing as a competitive game day 1 (character balancing and all) instead of trying to revamp the entire game to fit a Paladins format and slap a 2 on it.

Even on support I feel like most matches are out of my control, the match quality went down the drain its just completely 1 sided now.

Scrolling this comments section and seeing all the conflicting takes about what is weak and what isn't confirms a hunch I had a few months after OW1 launch. A character shooter with character specific, highly unique weapons, is fundamentally unbalanceable. If you buff dive, supports don't want to play. If you buff supports, dive doesn't want to play. Buff tanks and they become the only people that are allowed to have fun. Nerf them and they become inconsequential at best. Nerf snipers and supports become even more overbearing. Buff them and they become nigh uncounterable. Valorant works where OW doesn't, because the characters determine the "extra", while the primary DPS source is shared between all characters. Dirty Bomb (though long dead) worked, because (almost) every character could 1v1 the other given certain conditions (who is closer to their effective range). What dooms OW is not ultimately 5v5 or one class being better, it's that for any given archetype in the game, there is another that, given high competence, completely obliterates it. As the overall player skill grows over time, this manifests in relatively fixed metas, whoch can only be dislodged by new heroes, or radical buffs. This in turn creates the next fixed meta, which is unfun for another set of characters, rinse and repeat ad nauseam. The only way out is, IMO, a massive amount of new heroes so the web of interactions becomes hard to track, and thus more dynamic. End rant.

You forgot to say "for me". Or "for me and many players". The game is not dead in any sense. It has good queue times in both Quickplay and Competitive.

Someone actually told my feelings out loud in youtube..

As a tank player in 5v5 I agree the game feels like shit. So I now no longer play tank, nor have I touched the game competitively. Thanks Blizzard!

Seen the title, didnt hear a word yet, still clicked thumbs up. holy shit i miss the strategic that was behind ow 1. it became much more of a shooting range.

OW1 6 v 6 with 2 control point maps was the best. Was really fun. So intense too

i just miss diving snipers as Winston without my team dying

Sniper and hitscan heroes were not nerfed for one reason only, devs wanted this game to feel like CSGO where players were quickly gonna earn kill.

I'm a support player and I honestly miss 6v6. It seems like all supports really need to do is shove heals down the tanks throat. I feel like they shoulda kept 6v6 but instead take away some barriers and stuns.

I mostly play tankfist as they change him from dps to tank because of the 5v5 btw. I was playing a rank game the other day and as soon as I saw I got 1 shot by a zen right click, I knew that was the moment to stop playing the game .I did not get slept by Ana or anything, I was just helping my Genji and went from 450 hp to zero in less than 1 second. That is the current state of support where 1 support can do enough dame to take a tank from full hp to zero by pressing maybe 2 buttons.

So to start, I agree with pretty much all of your points but I disagree with the conclusion. 6v6 as a main tank player who couldn’t play ball was ass because in order to have fun I needed at least 3 other people to play around me. I think the real problem is blizzards philosophy of balancing around win rates and their inability to properly balance the support role and that was still an issue in 6v6 and that feels worse now since we’re watching it happen in real time quite quickly but it’s been around as a problem for a long time

The tank role just explodes 😂😂😂

Its hilarious that it feels easier to deal with a godlike Sombra with support than a dps hero and tank in some cases. And today I was in a team that did literally no damage but I pretty much was carrying the team with mercy I shit you not. Ima take a long brake from this game until its fix. Its awful

I was a bronze/silver shitter onetrick DVA in OW1. I wasn't good but it was fun and I could do my off tank thing for my team. In OW2 playing DVA is just miserable. I have to do everything (by silver standards). Get every elim. Do the most damage. Never die. And probably still lose. I gave up on the tank role and switched to support. I've climbed to plat on bap with a 76% win rate, i might hit diamond. I just kind of shoot stuff and lob heals at my team.

They wanted to kill the double shield meta... simple.... tank class, shield, bruiser, no shield. 6v6, you have a front line to dive, and someone to help peel for healers. They tried to reinvent a gold mine of a game, and trashed it.

I play with the bastion, which deals a lot of damage. However, in some games, the combination is so absurd that it is impossible to kill the tank or anyone on the team. They have infinite life, no matter how much I hit or apply damage to them, their health never resets.

This game is just absolute clusterfuck chaos when playing with randoms, way more so than OW1.

The reason I quit ow2 is because of the 5v5 gameplay. It feels like someone from my team got disconnected in 6v6.

This dude is hard coping lmao, if you can't kill a support as a dps then you're just terrible at the game. Only some supports have a chance at living if they get jumped and don't have help, I do agree that discord orb is terrible for the game tho. 5v5 is way better cause of double shield getting removed, tanks don't get melted if you know what you're doing. Supports are not an overpowered role, you just died cause you couldn't hit the moira while she was sucking you to death. Hitscan are too strong but Blizzard has said that they want to add more cover to avoid them being overpowered

I'm a tank player and I only enjoy 5v5 when the enemy is not running bullshit heroes. Back in 6v6 even when meta was double shield, or some other cringe comp I could've run rein and get a lot of value, only because of an off tank player, rn if enemy team is running 2 snipers is either I go dive tank or lose the game, but even then, all the enemy has to do is pick mercy and it is gg. You literally cannot kill anyone who is pocketed by support and it is frustrating af. I think, 6v6 would work and be much better if only they could balance their game better, which bliizzard is failing at again. Keep the changes to stuns(by which I mean most of them are removed), nerf snipers, nerf supports, and go back to 6v6

Overwatch original idea was to play a moba game with fps mechanics, overwatch 2 became a fps game with barely skill mechanics, they just wanted to compete with valorant since it took a lot of playerbase

Supports are damage heroes who can heal themselves and others.

I play doom regularly, and this game is absolute dogshit. I really just want him to be in the dps slot again because there’s no variety to his play style anymore. Every doom player plays him the same, and it’s boring. And 5v5 is a big reason for why tank doom specifically feels like shit. The fact that he’s your only tank, it tends to feel like a throw at times. I’d like him to be back in the dps slot without his one shot. Is that an unreasonable request, blizzard?

I'm tired of 5v5 it got me quit the game. When the 1 single tank in our team doesn't know what to do, we lose the game. Enemies can dive in easily no matter what

As a tracer main, i enjoy it. First when they nerfed her damage, i didnt play because that nerf was way too much. When they increased it by a bit, it was ok and is playable again but i could never challenge a support main 1v1 anymore. I had to change the way i play. I now go for anyone that is half health or less or a very vulnerable tank position. Tracer is no longer a support assassin now coz supports can easily delete me. The key to her is to inflict so much off-position damage as possible. You should have the most damage in the team to be an effective tracer.

Tank is litterally counterswapping each other now, if you dont swap your losing the game

i will never play Overwatch after 5on5 comes out

I feel like Beta and Season 1 was best time to play the game. I play Ana and was really enjoying the game, I kinda of missing getting dived all the time. When you win those duels the rush is insane. I really wish supports would just learn how to fight back.

I'm a genji one trick and haven't ran into all those bugs, maybe some only affect PC but the wall climb and deflect one I have had issues with. Main issue with deflect one is more than likely the netcode(bc you can hear deflect sounds client side but still take damage when no one else is around) Idk if anyone else has had a bug with the dash when you slightly clip a wall(that you should curve around like most others) and just dead stop

I’m really glad that the hate of the change to 5v5 from 6v6 has gained traction. Since the beginning I’ve been a bitch about it. I would bitch about what a fucking dumb balance decision it was. Yet people fucking defended it. Those people were and are stupid. Before I start my rant, for the record, I am a player who played OW1 since launch, played mostly Support and Tank. And contrary to your prediction I HATE 5v5. I’ll try not to make this too long to explain why the change was stupid but for starters, Overwatch has MANY hours of internal testing with 6v6. Countless and unknown hours. Too do ALL of that testing with a second tank was there even remotely the same amount of testing with just a single tank? I bet the fuck not. A removal of a tank is so fundamental that YOU HAD to rebalance all the roles. The saddest part is WE WERE AND STILL ARE the damn beta testers for this fucking change. All the issues we’ve had up til this point has been IN LARGE PART due to the 5v5 change. And now with our most recent talk is how snipers are prevalent now. Which seems to be the community’s hot topic atm. Where before snipers could be dealt with by having more barriers to have counter play. Balancing snipers is a pain because you REALLY need to consider the map’s sight lines too and that involves more resources to change the map than just tweaking numbers. Imma try and wrap this up and say this. A big two things that comes up when talking about the second tank is this. Crowd Control and Double Barriers. People bitched there was too much CC and Double Barriers was annoying and both together slowed the game down. The issue wasn’t just the over abundance of CC or Barriers. It was the lack of tools and counterplay FOR PLAYERS. The devs fucked themselves. They did not give players more options to counter and deal with the things they had a hard time with. And guess what they do when they start up OW2? They start releasing heroes that actually have abilities that could’ve been helpful to have IN OW1! Where was Kiriko’s Suzu when we couldve used that cleanse of Cc and debuffs like anti heal? The only abilities that could deal with CC were such things such as Zaryas bubble or fortify which were self applied tank abilities(if your Zarya didn’t bubble you) now we have a hero who can do that for her team! And it sure would be nice if we had more options for when CC feels a tad much. Barriers. Who did they release that adds ANOTHER ability that can pierce through barriers? Ram’s fists. Where before things like fire strike or Syms orbs pierced barriers. The problem was we didn’t have many heroes with abilities to handle these situations that people bitched about. No. Instead they just thought to themselves “oh, the Tanks have the most CC and barriers. Let’s remove one.” And then RIP that deep rooted core aspect of the game and everyone just thought that wasn’t gonna have massive implications?? The issues as to which WE ARE STILL SEEING AND WILL CONTINUE TO SEE. It’s bullshit. We aren’t playing fucking OW2. We are playing early access while they still figure out their shit with these changes because you can bet they will never bring 6v6 back. It’s kind boggling to me the change even happened. As a person who has seen MANY game designers talk about balance, and GDC presentations about balance it blew my damn mind. A decision like that to me HAD to be chosen for financial reasons. Because it takes more effort for the devs to use more resources to create heroes and abilities to help counter player than just… poof tank gone now. Now we tweak numbers cuz that saves money. Because no fucking game dev with freedom would have thought that was the right call. I fucking miss OW1.

As a main reinhardt they fukng killed the game for me with 5v5, before i loved flanking with rein and building amazing plays and counter attacks, but they took one tank away so now my teamates force me to just be a blood bag in front to receive damage while THEY SUCK AT DPS doing 0 damage, is the most frustrating experience, blizzard literally forced tanks to do nothing but cover idiots and snipers that LITERALLY NEVER PUSH ON ATTACK, wtf Now i just play my way with rein, i get more dmg and kills than both dps together, even after they nerfed Reinhardt to the oblivion, WAY less shield that breaks in seconds, less health, WAY LESS DAMAGE (before you could kill dps with 2 hammer hits, now is 3), WAY LESS melee range with the hammer, the ultimate stun duration got reduced to almost no stun but a half second bash, IT SUCKS MAN, IT REALLY DOES!

5v5 wasnt too bad as genji s1, zarya every game was a pain though... hitscan feels so boring in 5v5, legit just sit on the high ground watch your team int and if some enemies happen to come into your view you just click on them.

another problem with 5v5 is the fact if you have a shit tank player its almost always completely unwinnable.

100% agree. You reflected every thought I've had since OW2 launched and began to move away from the game. This is coming from a long-time Soldier 76 and Tracer player.

I play hit scan dps and support, and I agree with all the points you made. The game is still absolute shit with the matchmaking where it's just roll or get rolled. Any tank diff quickly cascades into rolling the enemy team or getting rolled. In 6v6 at least if someone is throwing, you could maybe cover their deficits, but if your tank throws in 5v5 it's a wrap.

I wouldnt say 5v5 is killing the game its how the devs balanced and went implementing about 5v5 in ow2 is what put the game on dead watch

I agree support heroes are being buffed ridiculously and snipers ruin the game. But I still prefer 5v5 to 6v6. 6v6 is the most dull and boring shit ever, specially shields. That shit is no fun at all.

i think the only support that wasn't buffed was lucio and he was actually nerfed. he can only tickle tanks. expect no boop kills at all.

The main reason of 5v5 was because the game was pretty slow A lot of ow1 could sometimes boil down to i can do nothing till i build ult and 2 tanks was one of the main reasons for that even if double shields was nerfed to the ground lets be real there would just be some other tank comp that would make the game extremely slow and with 6v6 the only way to fix it would be to make the tank role pretty weak but that would make the game unenjoyable for the tank players who we're already underplayed in ow1 Also the healing numbers in ow2 are about the same in ow1 barely any changes we're done on healing thevonly characters who got changes to their heals are kiriko who got a nerf and lifeweaver who got a buff on that regard which are both new characters with mediocre to decent healing at best Same reason cc got reduced while i'm fine with some cc too much cc makes the game extremely slow and restricting to play Playing any hero who didn't just stay in the back and shoot was a painful experience to say the least with the amount of stuns (and partialy the off tank) Also ow2 meta's so far have been way more balanced then ow1 meta's Just look at season 3 almost every character from every role feels playable and even the weak minority has some niche here and there

Alot of big streamers think otherwise i think its because they have never thought of it or where never told the way you explained it

we need to start a movement #Bringback6v6

I was masters on tank in ow 1 and way lower on the other roles, but in OW 2 I hardly touch tank anymore and it's been flipped bc zen/ana are the most fun heros in OW 2 imo

I bought ow1 a week before ow2 was announced. I enjoyed it, the game felt great. My main heroes are Hanzo and Junk, and even if I lost matches I had a great time. But in ow2 i burned out for a week. It's wasn't fun. All of behavior patterns stopped working, all felt like I'm doing shit. But my friend, who was support mainer, didn't felt bad. Nice decision, Bliz, rework unique game to generic fps

I agree with everything you said. Since day one, people on Reddit have been saying '5v5 is better than 6v6', which is completely untrue. It's just unbalanced heroes vs. unbalanced heroes. The fewer heroes there are on each team, the more power/abilities they must to have to compensate for having one less hero. We're essentially spiraling into a never-ending loop of "nerf a hero", "another hero gets too strong", "community complains", and we're back to square one. This clusterfuck of 5v5 wouldn't have happened if Blizzard had not tried to make these risky, idiotic changes. In 6v6, double shield was annoying as hell, but they could've just added small balance patches to the tanks; instead of just removing one for no damn reason.

My mans intrusive thoughts kicked in with that genji rant

I’ve always been a projectile player and hit gm in ranked overwatch 1. And overwatch 2 is horrendous for this

I LOVE the switch to 5v5

Well RU-vid ate my comment, but here's some notes about it Genji 29 damage shurikens, doesn't impact below Masters, do it because high elo might as well be fun Sniper nerf Supports trade impact for fun, trade team-value for more solo-value, less impact overall Support movespeed passive is fun, but with skill expression Everybody gets regen passive, then tone down heals. Very fixable, just a matter of doing it.

as a doom main I never asked to become a tank main who get bullied by every support in the game cuz I do no damage plus i agree with pretty much everything u said but ill add that playing against shield tanks is so fucking boring. When I play and I can't engage because I get spam from behind a shield and doom is so squishy that If I manage to get in ill get sleep and one shot... Great balancing blizzard, they killed the hero

i find it goofy how a mercy once outhealed my reaper ult leaving the guy with 50%+ health

I don't think hit scan wasn't a problem in overwatch 1 we had double shield that was fun

lmao just listening as i make my dinner and wow bro. i literally only manage to play ashe soldier or tracer and only queue support or dps for 96% of the season

I am shocked at this, I love 5v5 and I think it is the only benefit of OW2. Playing against double shields or protect the Bastion strat is why I quit OW2 years ago. 5v5 forces action and makes the game actually FUN. OW1 wasn't fun for a long time!

one night i decided to play doom and I never played tank really I usually play like genji echo bastion and omg I thought I was suffering on genji playing doom hurt so bad I was asleep and discorded every 5 seconds I won the majority of my games but that was when we had a cracked hitscan or someone who could keep up on diving but yes I felt like the supports were stronger than my “tank”character no matter which one I was playing against i feel like 5v5 could work but not with how the heroes are now hitscan is just insane why have fun on a hero like genji when you can one or two tap actually everything even a tank if you have mercy pocket

i didnt like the double shields in 6v6 if they added another role called off tank or something it would be better. Junker,Zarya,Hog, etc. Maybe change mei into off tank.

Here after season 10 patch and this video aged like fine wine lmao. I play literally only doomfist and genji and just cant bring myself to play ranked anymore

Watching a good old greed video

The game has very little teamwork other than an entire team working together. 6v6, tanks had their bromance, DPS had their own little roles, and supports looked out for each other. What teamwork now? Coordinating ults? Every support has some broken survivability, broken damage, and they are better DPS. They don’t have to look out for each other as they just two tap the enemy team. They game has lost the team aspect heavily and now it’s just multiple 1v1’s on the same map

As a Sigma main I have to say that I miss my off tank. 5v5 is so bad.

Im a gm tracer and i fucking hate this shit as well tbh 5v5 is so stupid crazy they thought it was a good idea

Dam bro really spitting facts

I have gotten significantly better that I was in OW 1, I am to the point where they ruined the game. I enjoyed 5v5 more even though it was cc hell, I was a main tank player and they robbed me of the joys of Tank duos.

They buffed the tank like crazy too, if you're tank plays better than the other tank that's more effective than a support being better than other support

😂😂You sayed the same as I did before 6 weeks

I am OTP Genji, it was alrdy hard to play in latest season in OW1, to play him now makes me feel idiot, on the other hand playing soldier or hanzo gives me double win with literally 10% of the game time invested on those heroes

tanks heros 5 fears sombra, bastion, reaper, sym, zen Even i agree supports are so op it usually comes down on what they play I remember in season 3 The enemy rein couldn't even kill a mercy pocketing an ana

Playing Genji is being handicapped straight up but it's too fun not to

if competitive side of OW is everything to you, i can agree with what you said in this vid but...be careful what you wish for

10 seasons later and they still haven't reverted😂. Wtf are these stubborn ass devs doing?! Beating around the bush doing all these "reworks" instead of swallowing their dam pride!!! 🤦🏾

they screwed up a good game, they wanted more of a 1v1 play style, but f----ed up the meta when everything relies on tank, like the games literally dependent on it, if your tank dies while the other is alive good luck. They buffed tank so youre dead if youre 1v1. wtf kind of logic is this

I havent played OW in 3 years and, qhen I search for the videoss on the game nowadays, they just fucked it up on 5v5. Just miss the 2,2,2 comps and getting tilted on hanamura's checkpoints...

As a support main most supports fucking hate 5v5 they power crept us to make our role “more fun” but they couldn’t just have made changes that didn’t result in our role being the most overpowered role in the game currently?

I mainly play hitscan because the risk/reward ratio in comparison to other dps is just much better. I'm not a high elo player by any means but this game just wants to incentivize casuals like CoD back then you hop on and just play. There is no real reason to learn any complex hero like tracer because you can just sit and hold left click unless you really want to grind the game and in general get better at it on a higher level by mastering tracer etc.I did not play much OW1 back in the days but as now as it is the 5v5 with this balancing is just atrocious and the switch from 6v6 made it even harder to balance these things around. I think they could bring up good balancing changes into 5v5 if they want to but if they do it blizzard might lose more of their beloved casual community so their dilemma would be a) making the game more competetive and in this regard more enjoyable for a smaller amount of players or b) listening to the greater amount of casuals who won't have a high level understanding of the game just to keep them.

They wanted to kill Paladins, they did it. Now let's make it 6v6 again🗿

I like 5v5 but you're right I play hitscan and support 💀

i have been playing ov since 2016 and there were different moments, but I did not give up and played. I deleted this game for the first time in a month. new accounts to troll games, cheaters, and rank selectionbalance, they are breaking this game. my master genji rank... sorry for my english

Nah, it's nostalgia speaking

I miss the off tank so much. Just bring back OW1

ive been saying this for so long. flankers and divers got absolutely nerfed while supports got ultra buffed and then they wonder why we had a one shot meta for so long like they didnt remove every other way for significant killing damage to be done