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Router planes. A criminally underrated tool. But which router plane is the best? And is the Katz-Moses router plane any good? We're taking a deep dive into the Big 3, disassembling each and exploring the differences, and seeing how the JKM router plane compares to the best in the game. Hope it's helpful for you!
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@mikegrawvunder6346 6 месяцев назад

Years ago, a 70-year-old cabinet maker was selling all his tools. I got two router planes in boxes for about $30 for both. One was a Stanley and I think the other was Miller Falls. Both with full sets of irons. Plus a few extra irons he made himself. Really love how they work. I do reach for the Stanley more than the other one. I also got a No. 7 Bench plane in a case he made for it. The case is a thing of beauty in itself.

@ChrisBombria 6 месяцев назад

For me the router plane has always been a cleanup tool. Take the bulk away however you want. Come in with a router plane to ensure a consistent depth of the groove. As long as the cutting iron is sharp, square and secure I'm happy.

@rickhayhoe 6 месяцев назад

Yes!

@JamesWilliams-en3os 6 месяцев назад

I have used the Veritas router plane for some time, and I love it. I saw JKM’s video on his new router plane last year and he sold me… so now I have both, and used both on a major project (a pair of Mission style bookcases). I had both router planes out on my bench, and just picked up whichever one was handy for whichever dado or tenon cheek I was working on at that moment. After a while I realized I was reaching for the Veritas tool preferentially. Why? Because the adjustment screw on the Veritas turns the correct way, apparently. With the JKM I invariably move the blade up first when I want it to go down, and vice versa. Also, the finer control of the thread pitch on the Veritas plane is better… as anyone who hand-cuts tenons knows, a tissue-paper-thin shaving can be the difference between a perfect fit into the mortise and starting all over again with a new piece of stock. So I am probably going to sell my JKM router plane. Oh, and I don’t care about the controversies, China vs US/Canada, or whether JKM is a nice guy or not. I just like the Veritas tool better.

@GeeDeeBird 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for an actual, unambiguous opinion supported by objective fact.

@twcmaker 6 месяцев назад

I like this reply. At the end of the day it's how the tool performs and feels in use.

@josh8494 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for the input. I don’t care about the controversy, it’s just people looking for things to be angry about. I appreciate your summary on the function of the tools and their differences. It is a good write up and I think your points are well thought out.

@ohasis8331 5 дней назад

I have much the same experience, having a lot of Veritas stuff. I had need of a larger router plane and my local supplier had none in stock (covid supply chain backlog) The JKM came out and was about forty bucks cheaper in my currency so thought I'd give it ago. End result is much the same as yours. My JKM is up for sale, my Veritas feels better to me.

@jimwilliams2682 6 месяцев назад

Now, you need to try Paul Seller's and Rex Krueger's router planes. Old timey wooden bodies.

@bluecollaruniversity 3 месяца назад

Paul Sellers router plane is not only simple, I like that the blade is straight stock... Easier to sharpen.

@chriskovaly6634 6 месяцев назад

I’ll 100% buy lie-Nielsen and support and American company with tools made in America. When we buy something we are voting with our dollars and I choose to vote for companies that truly support the community and make their products in the states.

@grantwilliams630 5 месяцев назад

I just buy the tool that I like the best. I have a LN 102 that I really love and get a ton of use out of, but I also have a Veritas router plane that I think is way more comfortable to use than the LN and of equal quality. Buying a tool from any of the modern companies that make decent tools is a win IMO. LN has a great factory in the US with great quality control etc. but they also aren't really innovating in a massive way. They make a better version of the Stanley tools, but Lee Valley (through Veritas) is trying much more unique designs. I don't always like the unique designs they come up with, but I think it's really good for the space as a whole (plus PM-V11 is really nice).

@the_sharp_carpenter 5 месяцев назад

Veritas are cast, machined and assembled in Canada, so it's still a north american tool. Most of the wood you use comes from Canada so it's all good 😜

@anthonydtobias 6 месяцев назад

Because I am from Maine I bought the Lie-Neilson at their headquarters. No regrets. I figured though that if I bought the Veritas that I wouldn't really notice that much of a difference... At the end of the day I was glad to support a local business. Keep on doing your thing, I enjoy your videos! ✌️

@katalytically 6 месяцев назад

For someone who doesn't own a router plane this is an informative video, both in the history of the router plane but about the various models you reviewed. Good info on what you find to be positive features and negative features which is useful in choosing one of those planes, or a plane from a different brand as I now know for which features to check. Because you stayed with the differences between the planes, and what features you like, I didn't get a sense you were recommending one over the other, with the exception of the Stanley. So thanks for the review and history lesson.

@SleepyHuskyStudio 2 месяца назад

As a very new woodworker, I started this video with no idea what a router plane was. Now I desperately want one. Eric, my wife is very angry with you for fueling my addictions.

@brianhmonks 6 месяцев назад

Made by Chinese manufacturer Hongdui. Hongdui is actually making good products with some innovative features. The Hongdui sells go $230 and the LN is $250. If your decision making is based on dollars, the KM could be your choice. For me, buying the best, US made and the difference is only $20, it’s a no brainer to get the LN.

@ENCurtis 6 месяцев назад

Absolutely fair point on which to make a decision.

@seanpatterson1609 6 месяцев назад

Thank you for this video and your input. I alleviate hearing about experience with different tools, especially in what makes them unique. I also appreciate your style.

@tobiasfrancisco5879 6 месяцев назад

The thing that doesn't make sense to me is the price point. Manufacturing in china is cheaper, yes? Than why doesn't the price reflect that. Just like bridge city, they manufacture in china now, but their prices are ridiculous. When you pay for a Lie Nielsen, or a Veritas you know that they are providing safe working conditions and adequate compensation for their employees thus the higher cost to consumers.

@dwainlambrigger3769 6 месяцев назад

There are many variables in pricing. How many units does JKM order at a time? Double that number and I'll bet that pricing will come down. Just because something is made in China means it's cheap. It often is, but my belief is that China will build what you require, regardless of pricing. I would guess the same is true for Bridge City. I can't see a big demand for their products.

@digitalmunky 10 дней назад

Manufacturing in China IS cheaper, but guess what MOST people don't think about? The manufacturers/producers of the product are factoring overall cost to produce, advertise, distribute, and sell those items. From 100's of thousands to millions of units... So fractions of a dollar still often may equal millions. Cost to manufacturer will be considerably cheaper in China, BUT then cost of shipping and distribution from overseas eats up a considerable amount of those savings... Add to that popularity of the product along with greed and it's a recipe for holes in one's pockets.

@billengland1183 6 месяцев назад

One of my morning pleasures is sitting down at the computer with a cup of coffee and learning from one of your videos. You have an marvelous style and presentation and I appreciate you sharing your experience and approaches. You also have a cooler coffee mug than me!

@ENCurtis 6 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@SeanRefsnider 6 месяцев назад

Is there an award for best ad?? If so, you should win.

@ENCurtis 6 месяцев назад

much obliged my good man!

@mikeyates1450 6 месяцев назад

Great review. I happen to own the Veritas and love it. Been woodworking fot 60 years and find most times similar tools come down to best price and comfort in use. Keep doing your videos like you do and I wish you success. The most anyone can expect from you is honest and frank opinions and you do that well.

@BillMSmith 6 месяцев назад

Contentedly clueless over this controversy. I do own a Veritas, works fine, a router plane is essential to me. A few months ago a friend gave me a cheap router plane his wife had bought off Amazon, I think for less than 40 bucks. A little while back I had the Veritas set for what would be a whole bunch of cuts to a specific depth. I set the cheapo up, required surprisingly little sharpening, the sole was flat enough for most uses so I put it to work. Terrible ergonomics, but the thing cut just fine. I never knew I needed a second router plane, but for the times I do, this will work. BTW, someone once said " Show me an unbiased human being, I'll show you a corpse." That might have been me. Thanks for keeping track of your own. Now go get back to the lumber rack and have some fun.

@Aaron-nj4ou 6 месяцев назад

My personal opinion is this. Everyone buys stuff from overseas, it is unavoidable. However when it comes to tools that I will buy once and hopefully pass down to my children I will absol-friggin-lutely buy a tool that is made in Canada (where I live) or US (if I lived there) compared to something overseas. That is a no brainer for me. As a Canadian the Veritas router plane is actually cheaper than KM’s (exchange, shipping, warranty, return etc) but even if it wasn’t I would still gladly pay more for domestic manufacturing (and I have for other tools) and in my experience the quality is second to none. I have regretted cheaper tools on many occasions, I have never regretted buying an expensive tool. Erik absolutely awesome discussion and another excellent video.

@RyanWattersRyanWatters 6 месяцев назад

100%. It’s the reason I buy JessEm as an American. The KM router plane isn’t about innovation and production quality; it’s about disproportionate profit margin, which comes at the cost of further moving all means of production overseas.

@chuckgrumble5440 6 месяцев назад

very important to me as well and I feel the need to snatch up USA made stuff before its too late!

@chipsterb4946 6 месяцев назад

@@RyanWattersRyanWattersyour comment hits the nail on the head. If I buy CCP made crap at Walmart, the price is significantly lower.

@TenaciousGeebs 6 месяцев назад

100% agree my friend. I am in the UK and will only seek out those hand tools which are either US, Canada or UK made, with no overseas manufacturing/assembly input. More than happy to spend the money to pay for good craftsmanship!

@ENCurtis 6 месяцев назад

Totally fair point of view from which to operate. And as a small American business, I appreciate you supporting small businesses. LV and LN both make excellent tools. You won't go wrong with either.

@5ElementsWoodworking 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for this video! You've made it super clear which one I should buy with your strong opinions presented.

@faraz2498 6 месяцев назад

I had an issue with the blade on my JKM tool, I contacted them just wanting a replacement blade. They sent me a whole new plane and 2 new blades. The support was excellent, great company to deal with.

@joshuarobertson5514 6 месяцев назад

Thank you for the video. Love the mug!😊

@royunderwood7514 6 месяцев назад

Great video. Definitely gave me some useful insight into these router planes. Thank you.

@JeffFontecchio 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for taking the time to make this video!

@ENCurtis 6 месяцев назад

Thanks jeff!

@willemkossen 6 месяцев назад

That is a great comparison. I like routerplanes. Ever since i made my own, i started collecting video's about making routerplanes in a playlist. I will add this one to the list, as it give great perspective on the tools. If people want to make their own routerplane, the list is a helpful resource. Cheers!

@ENCurtis 6 месяцев назад

Thank you! Glad you found it useful.

@bobmartin6055 6 месяцев назад

Another great video! Love your insights! Cheers

@kingofcastlechaos 26 дней назад

Having been in this industry over 40 yrs, I have seen a lot of "elite" people and their opinions regarding tools and techniques. If they spout off in my shop I take them over to the tool cabinet and have them ask the tools what they think. They always say "Are you crazy?" and I explain that every tool in that cabinet has MANY MORE YEARS of experience than they have and I value the tool's opinion much more than any of their time wasting elite talk. I have had enough apprentices to have heard every possible argument ad nauseum. Love seeing the new artist makers bunch doing their thing on YT. I am an old dog but always learning new tricks.

@privatetoddmason-darnell7187 6 месяцев назад

Really appreciate the video. I had decided that a router plane was my next purchase. I was stuck in analysis paralysis and as with most other tool purchases, once you get to higher levels, it really is personal preference.

@ENCurtis 6 месяцев назад

once you get past budget, personal preference is 100% of the game. They are all essentially the same from a function perspective.

@tabitha2706 6 месяцев назад

This was truly awesome. Thank you so much for it. I recently bought the Taytools version as my first router plane, mostly because of price point. Haven’t used it much yet so I'm not displeased in it, but based on your review I'm pointing toward the JKM when or if I replace it. You rock!

@keithc1335 6 месяцев назад

Love your maturity. Great video!

@chroniclesofbowlandjoel 6 месяцев назад

Great Video Erik! I really enjoy the way you teach throughout

@ga5743 6 месяцев назад

Excellent video today thank you. I own the Lie Nielsen and I also own the Veritas miniature router plane now that one is my favorite 😊

@davewest6788 6 месяцев назад

Well done video and well produced. Best integration for a sponsor I have ever seen so far.

@loubonaparte5063 6 месяцев назад

you mean best sucking up you've ever seen??? lol

@loubonaparte5063 6 месяцев назад

Having said that... your skill and knowledge is vast, and I simply can't look away.... I just wish you'd change your style a smidge because I feel your skills far outweigh your gimicky presentation... great hair and beard though!!!! and Bi's and Tri's....lol.... Call you man of mystery.

@ChetKloss 6 месяцев назад

Curtis, I very much enjoyed this video and your take on the subject matter. Personally I use the Veritas as my work horse but I have the mini version from Lie-Nielsen that I use a ton as well. Again, good job and keep up the great videos.

@TomBuskey 6 месяцев назад

My 1st new mfg plane was the L-N router. I had made a router with a Veritas blade & later purchased the medium Veritas router to go with it. I like them both. The depth stop slips on both more than I'd like. Paul Sellers and Rex Krugar both have router kits that are worth checking out.

@sgsax 6 месяцев назад

Didn't even realize there was a controversy. Personally, I think the more choices that are available (for any product), the better. It's better for competition, which makes the companies have to work harder, leading to more innovation. And I just like having choices. One of these is definitely on my wish list. Thanks for sharing!

@joshuagharis9017 6 месяцев назад

Absolutely, copyright stifles innovation. Corporate greed

@joshuagharis9017 6 месяцев назад

Look at medicines and generic meds

@tacticalskiffs8134 6 месяцев назад

The thing is that companies are competing for the nitwit dollar. I have been at this for 55 years, and really never need another new tool, though I did just drop a lot of money on some shinny stuff... For the most part, though, this is glitter to attract goofballs. Stuff for people my age, who didn't start woodworking until just the other day. They think that if their tools have a whole bunch of metal working dials on them, that they will be great at woodworking, and it isn't going to hurt anything. Let the cash flow.

@1deerndingo 6 месяцев назад

FWI: 1. The edge guide on the Stanley locks into the grooves in the base. It doesn't just swivel around. 2. The open mouth clears (is not impeded by) any shavings at the end of a stopped dado so as to allow the blade to cut to the end of the dado without having to stop and remove shavings. If I didn't have two hand routers already I'd buy J. K-M's in a flash. Great tool. Great price.

@brandicolbert6932 3 месяца назад

I have a Stanley large router plane No.71-1/2 (PAT D) mfg 10-29-1901 that my grandfather used, along with many other wood working hand tools he used in his early 20s. He was Born in Germany in 1879, migrated to this country, and became a citizen with his family . Apprenticed and worked as the cabinet maker. As a very young boy he schooled me in the use of these same tools. I inherited all of his hand tools and I plan on giving them to my grandson. I no longer use the tools but still work in my shop with up to date machine and hand tools. I am 86 yrs old and still build custom furniture now for family and friends

@vanislescotty 6 месяцев назад

Timely, was considering buying a router plane soon. Thank you!

@robertberger8642 6 месяцев назад

Thanks, I needed this video!

@michaelm210 6 месяцев назад

Beginner woodworker here. Literally just yesterday found a new-in-box Stanley in my late FIL’s shop. Then I watch this video the next day 😆

@Kernowwoods 6 месяцев назад

A pleasure as always dude. Love the honesty. Love the video 🤙

@ENCurtis 6 месяцев назад

Thank you.

@fladder1 5 месяцев назад

Thanks for saving me money! I actually didn't know these existed until I saw your video. I was about to buy a power router, because i need to make a few grooves, and well tools always come in handy. But instead i bought a Veritas miniature plane. Because it's big enough for my current needs, and no noise!!

@jeffsimpson9232 5 месяцев назад

I use a Veritas and a very old Stanley that doesn't have a depth adjuster. I set and *mark* my baselines with the Veritas. I hog out the waste with the Stanley, which is quickly adjusted with hammer taps, and do the final clean-up with the Veritas. I love this system.

@markgibala2268 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for reviewing and providing a great overview. I been looking at buying a new router plan and thought in was going to buy the LN as I have 6 of their planes and love the quality. JKM might be the winner due to adjustability.

@TheDrewdaddy44 6 месяцев назад

Great video! As usual ! Thanks

@danielaltieri8089 6 месяцев назад

I love you address your biases and you did it in such a friendly way. I also LOVE how you start with the point that Stanley just took a proven set of design options from a tool that existed in some form to mass produce…just like the more modern versions. I have an older refurbed “no-name” router plane that’s perfectly functional but would make a purchase to support someone like JKM because I like his content and drive to innovate and support this community.

@jimcarter4929 6 месяцев назад

It looks like an Australian company is making a metal version of Paul Sellers plane. Same blade design, same locking design, pretty much a copy. I think Vic may be selling them in Canada and the U.S.

@christopherharrison6724 6 месяцев назад

I made my own which is extremely useful with depth adjustment .

@thecrazychemist 6 месяцев назад

The under-mounted fence on the Stanley 71 is actually captive in the two grooves which keeps it perpendicular to the blade

@214rwoz 6 месяцев назад

Properly Educated Jointers, I like the sound of that ! Thank you for all your time and effort. Yours, 1 in 7..

@cobtheconqueror 5 месяцев назад

Great neutral review on all of them. Pros and cons of each. I appreciate when after explaining your preference, you explained why someone may have a different preference. We May have the same muscle memory for this action but opposite muscle memory for a different action.

@marchuvfulz 6 месяцев назад

Nice. Great little product comparison.

@garethmcneill5132 6 месяцев назад

I'm in Northern & bought the Katz Moses version recently. My first router plane. It has changed his I work and made my housings & other journey so much more accurate. I love it. My only complaint is that even after paying postage & shipping with KMT, I was charged an import fee by the delivery service. This added £50 (circa 75 usd) just to receive the package. Has made me reluctant to order additional sizes of blades

@ENCurtis 6 месяцев назад

Totally fair. Glad it has been a good tool for you though!

@watermain48 6 месяцев назад

Great comparison Erik. I have an old, in the box Miller Falls router plane in good condition, but it's time to upgrade. I like the Katz-Moses, but the threads being a little coarse and left-handed is a stopper for me, plus I like supporting domestic products so I'm going to get the Veritas or Lie-Neilson version. Thanks for the video.

@osliverpool 6 месяцев назад

A couple of months ago, I got a great fleamarket buy... A Record version of the Stanley, in excellent condition, for £5 (~$6.30). (I'm not a furniture maker, just a DIY guy, and it's plenty good enough for me.)

@ENCurtis 6 месяцев назад

Hell yes dude. Love a good flea market find!

@victoryak86 Месяц назад

I’d buy that JKM. Looks beautiful.

@jas20per 6 месяцев назад

From an old school Brit very well done. I would just like to say I purchased the Stanley in the late 1950s in Britain there was no real choice of manufacturer. I have noticed from your video the plane or should I give it its very old name "Old Woman's Tooth" is now used for complete removal of the joint wood, in my day that was the job of a cranked chisel if producing a straight slot. The Stanley was used for levelling the bottom of the slot to the required depth. As for sharpening the blade, a standard oil stone for the flat bottom and a small slip stone tor the the top angle. Modifications done on mine over time, the adjustment thread and nut were changed to Metric fine thread and the adjustment nut made larger out of Brass also I have forgotten the number of times it has hit the floor being knocked of the bench . So just another slant on a well talked over subject, food for thought I did say at work in my younger day that I was going to purchase one of those new DIY electric hand drills one older and wiser worker said to me "They did not have that type of thing in Chippendale's workshop and we still cant come near his quality today".

@keving8682 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for the video - much appreciated! I have not read all of the comments, but I think one of biggest controversies was that Hongdui/JKM made what appeared to be an exact copy of the Veritas base. The one in your video is version 2. I purchased version 1 the day JKM announced it because I liked the zero backlash adjustment which I think was an improvement to the router plane. Version 1 also does not have the depth stop. Had they started with version 2, like the one you are showing, I think there would have been a lot less controversy.

@tommoeller7149 6 месяцев назад

Well presented. Thx.

@petevonschondorf4609 6 месяцев назад

Qualification - I'm cheap. I hardly buy new tools but when I do, and sometimes unsuccessfully, I look at the metal quality and the ability to sharpen the tool. Address in future tool videos this it would help me. I really like the video.

@Timber2Toothpicks 6 месяцев назад

You did a KILLER job on the plane. I have the KM and the Veritas…. I use them both & both are set up differently. Good Job! The Veritas with all the extras is a very expensive investment. However, when you learn how quickly you can use all the irons… worth every penny. Thats why I bought both of them. The KM is SWEET. The Veritas is just sooo COOL and we all know that counts. Well Done! You use the knob or nut properly. My dad had that plane. I have it and never use it…. Dont STUB your open toe!!!

@uriel-heavensguardian8949 6 месяцев назад

Awesome video

@walterrider9600 6 месяцев назад

thank you EN . how funny thanks . i like the kat too. hope all goes well for you both.

@AnonymousUser1776 6 месяцев назад

The slop in the Stanley adjustment is actually a feature. With the blade tightened in place you can move the adjuster down a tiny amount, then you loosen the iron, and it falls the amount you moved the knob. Then tighten up and proceed. That was their system of micro adjusting.

6 месяцев назад

someone's been watching Wright :) Tested the slop feauture and damn, wish I knew it sooner

@AnonymousUser1776 6 месяцев назад

Exactly right….. er…. Wright.

@ENCurtis 6 месяцев назад

Fair enough. Still not my preferred method, but I can appreciate that approach.

@blayne2029 6 месяцев назад

Nice. More of these videos. I, personally, have not enjoyed good customer service from a JKM purchase. That would be the deciding factor for me. Veritas and Lie Nielsen customer service is outstanding. You can buy them with confidence.

@marcbarash6045 6 месяцев назад

Thanks Erik

@ENCurtis 6 месяцев назад

Thank you sir!

@TheWeekendWoodshop 6 месяцев назад

I have a router plane...just a cheap one that I got off Amazon and it works well for my needs. But I completely agree that it is a necessity in the shop. As to the topic of "design ripoff" I don't see it as stealing per se. Innovation is essential and what JKM has done with his router plane is what he feels makes the tool better. Is it for everyone? No, certainly not. But it works for him and for at the very least thousands of others in the craft. And that's ok. To each his own as they say 😁 Great video as always. You have become one of my favorite fellow creators. The topics you cover and the way you cover them is truly inspirational. Cheers!

@MUSEDR00L 6 месяцев назад

it is what it is. Love the mug.

@thomasnichols7788 6 месяцев назад

Well just thanks a lot!!!! My wife was listening in on this podcast and started laughing herself silly. She now calls me an SNOB! I have to admit I do hold turners, carvers, scollsawers (is that a real word), and (spit on the floor) CNC users less than real woodworkers. I have been designing and making furniture for decades and now have to admit I have become an elitist. I don't mind being humbled but this is the last time I am listening to your podcast without headphones. My wife and not stopped calling me a snob!!! LOL! keep up the good work. Now where is my Scotch?

@contestwill1556 6 месяцев назад

your caviar, sir

@pmdinaz 6 месяцев назад

Great review

@lawrencedeleurere4427 6 месяцев назад

The movement on the Stanley is a feature, not a bug. Take your shaving, keep the collet tight and lower the depth adjuster until it bottoms out on the blade. Then loosen the collet, it will drop slightly and retighten. You'll now be at the perfect depth for the next shave. Also, I think that you misread the dislike of the JKM. I think it largely has to do with the partnership with Hongdui. In the manner of pretty much every Chinese factory out there, the first thing they did was unbrand it and put it on Banggood for 160 bucks. This is typical for Hongdui. They have a direct rip-off of the Veritas dovetail guide, they ripped off the Jessem table saw guides, Bridge City's kerfmaker. It's just what they do, let someone else do the IP work and then blatantly rip it off and undercut them on price. JKM feeding into Hongdui feels like not just a betrayal of western companies, but something that will discourage innovation and hurt woodworkers in years to come. It's just not a good thing.

@dereklong801 6 месяцев назад

If its not patented its fair game.

@riba2233 6 месяцев назад

How can it discourage innovation when it improved upon the original design? It is not a copy lol, it is a high quality product that offers added benefits over the "original" one.

@lawrencedeleurere4427 6 месяцев назад

@@dereklong801 If it is patented, it's also fair game from Chinese manufacturers. China requires that all patent claims be resolved in their courts. They fine any entity operating in China up to 100 thousand dollars a day for bringing patent claims against Chinese companies in foreign courts. Chinese courts are not known for being friendly to foreign companies. So let's say Jessem wants to sue Hongdui for patent infringement. They have to sue them in a Chinese court or risk millions in fines from the Chinese. I suppose that it's possible that Chinese courts could honor patent infringement cases from Jessem, but you run into issues that the Chinese system requires the patents be registered with the Chinese patent organizations. Western industries claim that often, local manufacturers will beat them to the punch and register copycat patents in China of Western patents. It's really not fair game in any sense of the term.

@lawrencedeleurere4427 6 месяцев назад

@@riba2233 It discourages innovation because it lowers the amount of reward Western companies see from their original innovation. If a company spends say 1 million dollars on developing a product, they need to see at least 1 million dollars in profit from that product to make the research worthwhile. Pretend for a moment a world without Chinese copycats, a company might estimate that it can sell 100 thousand units at 15 dollar profit and make 1.5 million, for a profit of 500 thousand. Now we have a world with Chinese copycats that cuts the number of units the original company can sell in half so down to 50 thousand units as people instead want to buy the cheap Chinese knockoff. This leads to a profit of -250 thousand dollars, so the original company will say, it's not worth it to invest in researching a new tool because we'll take a loss on it. That's how it discourages innovation.

@riba2233 6 месяцев назад

@@lawrencedeleurere4427 rofl, you live in a fantasy land. So if you see a design, and have the idea to improve it (or you know, actually innovate?) and sell the improved version, you should never be able to do that? How is that good for the innovation on the market please explain. Also if they made a 1:1 copy with no improvements I wouldn't say anything, but cmon.

@SWA-Projects 6 месяцев назад

Hahaha! That’s the best sponsor ending ever! 18:38 😂 Seriously everyone don’t skip this presentation, it’s fun. Thanks for making me laugh! Now I’m gonna resume the video 👍

@davidjohnston4240 3 месяца назад

I like the hex bolts in the handles. Function over form makes the functional form become the norm.

@mwrcrft 6 месяцев назад

I have had the Veritas model for 10 or so years and it has been a reliable tool with no surprises.

@Kosh42EFG 4 месяца назад

I have the JKM mallet. It's awesome. The router plane is on my buy list...

@RobKing25 2 месяца назад

Anyone else click on the thumbnail because it looked like Robert De Niro doing a woodworking video in the 80's? The man's even got the stare and the eyebrows down pat.

@mcguiganmike 6 месяцев назад

great job. Just an FYI, the KM plane is on sale right now. I think $189 range. I am still not ready to buy one, but I am new to woodworking and learning a lot!

@grantwilliams630 5 месяцев назад

I bought my Veritas router plane because i thought the angled handles were more comfortable (the KM one didn't exist at the time). I've been super impressed with it, but I doubt you could go wrong with any of them.

@HeliRy 5 месяцев назад

As a Canuck, I’ll always lean towards Veritas. Canadian owned, operated and built 👌

@georgestgeorge5110 6 месяцев назад

The made in the U.S.A. argument is odd. If you look around your house, your car, furnishings, t.v., appliances, clothes, you will be hard pressed to find something made here. Even the computer you're using and the desk and chair you're in. It sounds great, but it isn't now or the future. We still spend every day on things made elsewhere.

@kevinwood9993 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for sharing, love the cup.

@gcranston83 6 месяцев назад

There's a Wood by Wright video where he says that looseness in the depth adjuster in the Stanely is deliberate to give you that 'right' amount to increase your depth of cut. Maybe someone else has the link handy?

@robohippy 6 месяцев назад

I commented to my dad once, "Opinions are like rear ends, every one has one." Dad, not losing a second commented back, "Yea, and some of them stink!" This seems to be pretty objective. What I am trying to remember is if Rob Cosman has his own router plane. It may have been JKM that I saw who has his own. John said he was going to be in Portland, OR for the American Assn. of Woodturning Symposium next summer, and I hope to chat with him.

@Varvitski 2 месяца назад

Hardly controversial I would have thought, but simply an excellent summary comparing the pros and cons of these editions of this interesting tool. Glad to have clicked the bait. Thanks for the video.

@GibClark 6 месяцев назад

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻good revue, thanks

@brianm.9451 6 месяцев назад

Love the comparison! I love my Veritas router plane. The removable blade was a huge improvement and made sharpening easier. I never thought about the depth stop, mostly because I use my chisels for more refinements. The splayed knobs made routing with my router plane a joy. I don’t know why people hate on JKM. He seems to care about those getting into woodworking and he sells tools that are high quality and good for newbies. It’s the same reason he pushes for Suizan (good saws but I love my Gyokucho). My tools make me happy and I respect JKM who wants newbies to be happy.

@MrBertstare 6 месяцев назад

they might see through the BS and see him for the type of person he really is. Do some digging, ask around its not good.

@HopeStreetWoodworks 6 месяцев назад

Because he partners with a company that steals the intellectual property of other manufacturers.

@MrBertstare 6 месяцев назад

@@HopeStreetWoodworks I dont want to influence your opinion but do a little digging about his personal life and you will see a pattern.

@roderik1990 2 дня назад

To me I dislike him, because he always seemed to me to be one of those youtubers that wants to sell me something. Not quite as bad as Cosman, but still getting those vibes.

@BlankBrain 5 месяцев назад

I made my router plane from a piece of oak firewood. The blades are made from large hex keys and held in place with a steel dowel pin and thumb screw. The depth adjustment is a ring with thumb screw. The wood is an elbow, so he grain follows the front. Part of the top is live edge. The thing is, it actually works quite well. I can affix a plastic laminate shoe protector with carpet tape later if I want.

@cliffwalden4038 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for this great video. I am in the market for a router plane. In my younger days, I gravitated towards keeping all of my tools in the same few brands. Trying to make complete sets. It was just an OCD thing I guess. Now that I am older, I tend to mismatch more when there is a better option. I didn't even know JKM made a router plane. I think I may go that route. I like the removeable blade, the depth stop design, and the dual rod runner system. It just seems that it would be more stable in use.

@heystarfish100 5 месяцев назад

I purchased the KM-17 Pro and have just recently received it. I did not purchase it because of this video but by introduction from Jonathan. I own many Hongdui woodworking tools and each of them are of exceptional quality and value. I had no reservations on this tool and in hand the build quality is again extraordinary. As far as being a Chinese made tool, many of my hand held power tools, I.e. Milwaukee brand are all made in China. In a world where the market is becoming more and more competitive worldwide it is in my opinion Veritas and Lie-Nielsen have sat on their hands.

@ChrisHornberger 6 месяцев назад

I truly had no idea people are irked about JKM making tools. That's... weird. I love the things I've gotten from him, and I think he's a good dude doing good works.

@Win52D 6 месяцев назад

Nice review. If I didn't already have 2 of the Veritas routers I would be inclined to pickup the JKM as well.

@mikeking7470 6 месяцев назад

What was in that coffee cup, you're having a conversation with a cartoon sun! BTW the Stanley had BOTH an open throat and a throat closer and the one you were waving around had slots in the base to keep the fences straight. Those are both things you said it didn't have.

@nickyt3269 6 месяцев назад

uhhhhhh, anyone else hallucinate an animated sun in this video??? def worth the sub.

@andrewirvine6444 6 месяцев назад

Depth Adjustment All you need is a loose leaf binder of shins with a central cutout to go under the casting and both sides of the blade. Pick the right shim e.g. 1/10,000 of an inch, loosen the collet and hold the casting and blade pressing lightly downward. Then retighten the collet, licking the blade 1/10000” lower. Remove the shim and the blade will accurately plane out /10000” for you. Works with el cheapo Stanley and the fancy costly variants equally well. Obviously this only needs to be used for finalising the dado as the adjustment will be coarser down to the last 1/1000” or so.

@jsmxwll 6 месяцев назад

i have the JKM, a Stanley and the one i built out of the Paul Sellers kit, and then one made based on the Paul Sellers kit with a much finer depth adjustment screw. i use the two Paul Sellers style planes pretty most of the time. they are functional, easy to use, and easy to modify to fit my working style. i also have a hags tooth with a rounded blade that i use for really moving material. i'm just a hobbiest having a ball making whatever has my attention at the moment. i am a lot harder on my tools than most people probably are, which is why i like self made tools. i can remake them when i break them. if i break the JKM router plane, i might cry. HONGDUI makes pretty good tools, and is willing to work with someone like JKM, whereas getting a Veritas or Lie-Nielsen to co-brand a tool and do development work is a lot less likely. both companies really seem to focus on their core competency and probably don't have the latitude to experiment too much given how high their costs are.

@davidberrien9711 5 месяцев назад

I had been making do with the Paul Sellers "Poor Man's Router Plane" made out of random scraps of construction lumber. Did great work, but repeatable cuts are fiddly... Planning the work makes things go smoother. I finally sprung for the Taylor Toolworks mini router plane and it is a gem. But depth adjustment is not screw-thread assisted, and there is no depth stop. But it works well, and is well-made. Their full-size router plane is very interesting, appears to have all the essential features, and is 1/2 the price of the big boys in the video.

@dpmeyer4867 6 месяцев назад

Thanks

@williammaxwell1919 6 месяцев назад

The splayed handles reflect the natural slight angle our hands have when we hold our forearms out parallel to the floor.

@jimgott119 2 месяца назад

I purchased the Katz-Moses plane after seeing his RU-vid video touting its improvements. I already owned the Lie Nielsen, but it looked like an improvement so I ordered it. When it came it was not to my liking. His claim of absolutely no backlash was not what I experienced at all. But the most disturbing thing was that the blade carriage was not at right angles to the sole so it made an angled stepped cut across the bottom of the groove. This was the case with both blades. I sent him an email with photos and my phone number, asking him to call me to discuss it. He would not. He kept asking questions via email. I told him that I wanted to have a live conversation which would be more productive and again asked him to call me. He would not. I gave up and returned it for a refund.

@martinwoodworking 6 месяцев назад

The JKM plane allows you to lock the blade at depth while still allowing a micro adjustment from the top to really dial it in

@jefflavenau6805 6 месяцев назад

I like the wider footprint of the LN for being able to micro-adjust like, a whole tenon. but, great video!

@user-fj9st9jv5f 6 месяцев назад

If I remember, I went with the Veritas over the KM tools router plane because I was able to buy a full set of different-sized cutter heads with Veritas. KM's only had one size (not sure if that's changed since). TBH: I don't very often use the tiny cutters (for instance), but still liked the option to swap out sizes. I think I wasn't able to sub in Veritas cutters on a KM router plane due to the different cutter shaft shape. Thanks for the vid!

@Adamant4160 6 месяцев назад

I've always wanted a nice router plane. But, evertime I needed one the old paul sellers chisel hammered into a board has worked great

@corwind3888 6 месяцев назад

I've had the Veritas for about 8 years now, and like it very much. I would like to get a second router plane, like the old Preston 1399 or the modern copy, the Walke Moore router plane as I like this wide body design also. Like you, I also prefer the closed mouth version. Somewhere I did see where someone brought up the advantage of the open mouth where it could prevent the possibility of damaging the top edge of a stopped dado should a chip get caught there.

@philaandrew100 6 месяцев назад

I trained on the '71 some 40 years ago so yeah, it is my go to router plane.... or should I say router planes as there are 6 or 7 lurking in my workshop, each of them setup to do different tasks. Lucky I got them waaaay before the Maestro Paul Sellars made them a highly sought after tool.... I have the Veritas version as well. However, they are all good and you are spot on with your conclusions.

@ENCurtis 6 месяцев назад

I appreciate your insight given your experience. Nothing wrong with the ol' 71. Just a matter of personal preference.

@philaandrew100 6 месяцев назад

Exactly. Use the tool that you are most comfortable with. I am sure that if I only had the choice of of a Veritas or Lie Nielson I would be just as happy. They are all really good tools.