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How Airships Could Overcome a Century of Failure 

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A new breed of airships seeks to take flight and provide a greener solution for both luxury travel and heavy industry. But is the business case for bringing them back enough to overcome a troubled past?
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@business
@business 2 года назад
What are some niche applications that you think modern airships could serve better than alternative modes?
@walli6388
@walli6388 2 года назад
Niche? They can take care of a lot of transport with no fuel by using the Passat wind.
@hansolowe19
@hansolowe19 2 года назад
There's already a shortage of helium, filling enormous balloons with it seems like a less than ideal use for this scarce and non-renewable resource.
@kingcarter9975
@kingcarter9975 2 года назад
Fighting bushfires???
@wayneyd2
@wayneyd2 2 года назад
NONE!
@ropro9817
@ropro9817 2 года назад
Errrrmmm... wasn't there an impending global helium shortage? 🤔
@jimvanm
@jimvanm 2 года назад
I love the no-nonsense, realistic perspective of the people building these things. They're not trying to pitch some fairy tale; they know it's tough, and they know there's lots of risks, but they still believe it's worth doing. I hope they succeed; I suspect they will.
@zocca0134
@zocca0134 2 года назад
@@deepupstrandedcreek9979 Yeah, elctric cars died out at the beginning of the 20th century because the petrol engine was invented, which gave a much much longer fuel autonomy (batteries are the problem now as they were now) and as technology improved, the petrol engine outperformed the electric motor in almost all aspects. Furthermore, trends and movements like the Futurism helped the petrol engine to triumph. Not everything has to be a conspiracy, you know.
@bobloblaw7465
@bobloblaw7465 2 года назад
This is a waste of time and going backward. This solves nothing.
@bobloblaw7465
@bobloblaw7465 2 года назад
@@deepupstrandedcreek9979 actually water/steam powered engines were invented first. Then electric, than ICE
@yoboy6319
@yoboy6319 2 года назад
I can honestly say I have 0 reason to buy a ticket for a blimp. Maybe if it's free I'd go, but this seems stupid. That Ireland example is probably the only route it would be better for. And it's only 2 hours faster than the boat.
@pappi8338
@pappi8338 2 года назад
@@bobloblaw7465 I agree
@yossarianreborn2904
@yossarianreborn2904 2 года назад
My mum worked at Airship Industries in Cardington Hangers. Hard to believe how big these hangers are until you're inside. In the right condition's it would have its own small clouds inside at the top.
@ericwiese7479
@ericwiese7479 2 года назад
Thanks for sharing this. 🤯
@Spartan265
@Spartan265 2 года назад
Honestly it's pretty cool that the building is big enough to form it's own clouds. Kinda mind blowing.
@ericwiese7479
@ericwiese7479 2 года назад
@@Spartan265 that got me too! Cool
@grahamstevenson1740
@grahamstevenson1740 2 года назад
Airship Industries made a loss of £15 million in the year to 30 June 1989, compared to £3.7 million in the preceding year and £5.1 million the year before that. In early 1990, after refinancing efforts failed, the firm sought to improve its financial position through a sale and leaseback of the Cardington facilities, an attempted sale of its US operations to Lou Pearlman's Airship International and efforts to renegotiate the YEZ-2A contract from fixed-price to cost plus. However, share trading in AI's Isle of Man-based holding company was suspended in August 1990, and administrative receivers were appointed in September.
@lukemallon4499
@lukemallon4499 2 года назад
Wow.🤗
@l.b.1974
@l.b.1974 2 года назад
One of the biggest practical problems that I see for "air ships" is their vulnerability to weather.
@Danuxsy
@Danuxsy 2 года назад
well if you have great weather predictors you can make dynamics plans that follow the weather currents and time it efficiently (maybe)
@michaelt.5672
@michaelt.5672 2 года назад
Counterpoint: Weather largely happens in the troposphere. Design an airship to fly higher than that, and you aren't dealing with much of the weather.
@AlexKodek
@AlexKodek 2 года назад
I think the shape design could be wrong here in the first place ... although it looks attractive ... I would consider it to be rather like a large single wing, filled with Helium ...
@larsbee
@larsbee 2 года назад
too many companies died trying to succeed .... I remember cargolifter in Germany whose airships could lift 160t. they build the biggest hangar in the world and went bankrupt after 6 years ... now the hangar houses another company called tropical island ...
@jimwhelan9152
@jimwhelan9152 2 года назад
@@michaelt.5672 LTA require a dense atmosphere. They have no lift at very high altitudes.
@pi.actual
@pi.actual Год назад
There was an enterprise, I believe it was called Zeppelin NT, that flew sight seeing tours over San Francisco about ten years ago. I think it was like $500/hr for a seat and they are no longer in operation. A large airship essentially has to be monitored and attended 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, an expensive endeavor. Even in a major metro area there are only so many people willing to pay that much money for a ride in a blimp.
@-coolerlegothings-9784
@-coolerlegothings-9784 Год назад
This isn't really about sightseeing tours. It's about cargo transport because hybrid airships could deliver cargo with 6% of the fuel as a modern jetliner, and could deliver cargo faster than a ship
@s1lv3rbordeaux47
@s1lv3rbordeaux47 9 месяцев назад
@@-coolerlegothings-9784 the development & managed structure of our world has simply progressed to ensure the future infrastructures are hindered & poorly viable over all industries & from any basis. Greed, distraction, disillusion & control are issues all should become very used to. If it once existed or was prehaps developed, maybe even near finalized only to fail. These should be removed from the mindset of any proposals!! You won't find a reason to these failures! You do not & will not ever be of a level in which these answers are vindictive of your knowledge, reality & past history should make that blatantly clear!!
@billrobinson198
@billrobinson198 6 месяцев назад
Apparently, that zeppelin is back in Europe (Germany?) and is still in operation. I would have gone on it, but I missed my chance when it was here in the states.
@tobiwan001
@tobiwan001 2 года назад
I have heard all those arguments before in the 1990s. I fell for it for a while, but the main problems are not solved (wind resistance, aerodynamics, changes in weight through fuel burn and payload), while the commercial applications are very narrow.
@walli6388
@walli6388 2 года назад
Did they already use hybrid airships?
@migo-migo9503
@migo-migo9503 2 года назад
Helium has also gone up in price since the supply in the world is running out, from what I’ve heard.
@news2hedz227
@news2hedz227 2 года назад
@@migo-migo9503 No no... Nuclear fusion creates helium so we'll have no problem 😅
@migo-migo9503
@migo-migo9503 2 года назад
@@news2hedz227 nice! I did not know that. Thanks!
@news2hedz227
@news2hedz227 2 года назад
@@migo-migo9503 I was actually being a bit sarcastic, since fusion energy won't provide much and it's always 20 years away 😉 sorry for getting your hopes up
@leaf16nut
@leaf16nut 2 года назад
I'd pay to fly around in an airship, like a cruise in the sky, seeing inaccessible sights at slow speeds. Would be an absolute joy!
@lukemallon4499
@lukemallon4499 2 года назад
Absolutely! "See your world- the proper way"
@anydaynow01
@anydaynow01 2 года назад
It will be like the nascent space tourism industry, the trickle down effect of the technology will open it up to lower cost options and breakthroughs in the future. It will be pretty amazing to take airship adventures when traveling to different parts of the globe.
@tonysykes4333
@tonysykes4333 2 года назад
Ya but more like a Viking Cruise or the Orient Express trains. A vacation in its own right. The comparison to Carnival sized cruise rides doesn't actually understand the application of a airship ride.
@thatsawesome2060
@thatsawesome2060 2 года назад
Until u get caught in fierce storms 😜
@corail53
@corail53 2 года назад
@@anydaynow01 You do know this has all been tried many many many times before right. The negatives always outweigh the positives and there is no trickle down in tech with this because it doesn't use uninvented new tech - it rehashes old tech and calls it new.
@etangdescygnes
@etangdescygnes 2 года назад
I conceived the idea of a heavier-than-air, helium-filled airship that would lift a payload by aerodynamic lift during my degree in aeronautical engineering, during the 1980s. On a long train journey not long after graduating, I did the basic calculations. The maths proved to be insurmountable. In the troposphere, the airship’s low airspeed, large skin surface, and large projected frontal and side areas made both steady winds and gusts a menace. A cross-wind or headwind of (say) 20 knots, would seriously affect scheduled operations. The problem worsened with flight duration. But that wasn't all. If the aircraft was flying at (say) 80 knots, generating lift for level flight, and there was a tailwind gust of (say) 20 knots, the decrease in lift would be severe. My hybrid vehicle faced serious wind shear problems during take-off and landing, and offered a nasty, bumpy cruise. In a place such as Britain, the periods during which acceptable weather would prevail throughout journeys would be a huge restriction versus conventional turbofan airliners. Due to its large area the envelope could bear a significant mass of rainwater, even as the water was draining off it. Snow and ice could be nightmares. I considered stratospheric flight, above the worst of the weather, but the low air density drastically cut the payload, posed a big problem for the ballonet (“swim bladder”) buoyancy control system, and necessitated cabin pressurisation. The airship could land as a substantially heavier-than-air vehicle, but as the payload was removed, it became lighter. This necessitated ballast, such as water, being pumped or loaded onto the airship as the payload was removed. If this wasn’t done, the airship began to suffer from the usual problem of all lighter-than-air vehicles, needing to be tied down. I figured the airship would have to be tied down between being loaded, but directional stressing problems would then ensue during thunderstorms and the like, necessitating the airship being parked in a hangar. At least a hangar would keep the seagulls etc. off the vehicle, which would be very difficult to clean due to its size. Flights that require just two or three meals in today’s turbofans, would need many more meals, plus greater provision for human, food, and other wastes, and legal working hours for flight and cabin crew would demand many more staff. The envelope would generate static electricity that could be discharged through wicks, but since it would be almost entirely non-conducting, special provision had to be made for lightning. (Conventional airliners are protective Faraday cages.) Productivity was a major issue. In the time my airship took to cross the Atlantic once, an airliner could make four crossings, but the airship could not carry anywhere near four times as many passengers, and in any case, why would they want to travel so slowly in a pitching and heaving airship at a low altitude across the menacing ocean, with only the roughest idea of their arrival time?! What was more, I discovered that while many companies want to dispatch freight quickly by jet airliner, and many more companies wanted to send freight much more cheaply by sea, there wasn’t an “in-between” market. In other words, there would be almost no demand to send freight that currently crosses the Atlantic in six or seven days, over the Atlantic in 36 hours by airship; if it had to arrive quickly, it would be sent by jet airliner. I concluded that while there are probably viable niche civil and military applications for a heavier-than-air airship, it would never be a big seller. It would make much more sense to develop biofuels to power conventional turbofans, or develop large 400 KTA turboprops powered by hydrogen. By the time I got off the train, I had dismissed the concept.
@happydappyman
@happydappyman 2 года назад
I was looking for this comment. I'm not aeronautical, but mechanical (and a pilot) and I was going to make some of these same points. You've done a much better job of it than I would have. Totally agree with you. I don't see any scenario where an airship would carry passengers as long as there's just about any other option. It's extremely slow when compared to a normal plane or high speed rail. Even if you found the cliental, it's completely unreliable in scheduling or service due to the points you make about weather (and other safety concerns). I might see these used for heavy lifting in remote locations, but even then. You know what these industries really don't like? Having to plan an entire project around whether they might be able to use their equipment. It's probably cheaper to do a job in 3 helicopter loads than one airship load if it means waiting potential weeks for the proper weather conditions. Especially in areas that would make the airship impractical for half the year such as the mentioned northern Canada. This means these companies are going to have to invest in both the equipment they can use the bad half of the year AND the airship that might make things easier the other half of the year. It's cheaper just to use the all weather option all year. Oh yeah and I'll add one more point to do with Helium. It's expensive and getting more so every year. I'd need to look into it properly, but from what I think I know of helium, it seems like it's not something that could sustain a sudden massive surge in demand
@x--.
@x--. 2 года назад
Great points. Calculation the same for hydrogen?
@etangdescygnes
@etangdescygnes 2 года назад
@@x--. The calculation is different because the gas density versus temperature is different, but the conclusions are the same.
@Zetsuke4
@Zetsuke4 2 года назад
Thanks
@butchfajardo8832
@butchfajardo8832 2 года назад
You're right. It's not feasible for meeting schedules. But it's a lot better than an aircraft in terms of maintenance. I like to have one here in the Philippines only during summer. But I know that someone can design something that is feasible in the future. Maybe when fuel becomes so expensive already that using an aircraft is not feasible anymore.
@conniepoo
@conniepoo 2 года назад
I’ve always dreamed of a clubbing airship ever since I saw the one in just cause 2. Imagine a touring party airship that visits places like Greenland or Iceland.
@segasys1339
@segasys1339 Год назад
lol
@nevillewran4083
@nevillewran4083 4 месяца назад
Or literally a clubbing airship, a licensed club with dancefloor, the patrons dancing as city-scapes pass by thru the transparent walls.
@tsbrownie
@tsbrownie 2 года назад
I've been fascinated by lighter than air (LTA) for the past 60 years. It's undeniably cool and graceful. But there's lots of "buts." It's slow. It's slow because it has a huge volume. That huge volume is filled with an expensive gas that is getting rarer and more expensive. They leak gas. And in a surprise twist, that gas weighs a lot (has mass) that has to be moved. One pound of helium is about 2.5 cu yards (or meters), a million cubic yards weights about 400k pounds. Like a boat on the water, it's hard to start moving, it's hard to stop. They have a limited ceiling in the single digit thousands of feet making them susceptible to storms / turbulent ground winds. Most aircraft talk about power/weight ratio, with airships it is that plus power to volume ratio; you need power to overcome even light winds because of the huge surface area. They require huge hangars. They don't like snow and ice, and rain is not their friend. The fabric is sun resistant, but we all know how that goes. And on and on. That's why we keep hearing about the rebirth of airships only to have our hope and dreams dashed by financial reality and physics.
@hand587
@hand587 2 года назад
Looking at that first aircraft, there are also lots of "butts".
@grahamstevenson1740
@grahamstevenson1740 2 года назад
@@hand587 We are far beyond that point. Airships STILL suck. And blow. A Boeing 747F can carry 150 tons of freight economically at high speed (suited for perishable produce) and deliver it anywhere in the world in 24 hours, THAT is the benchmark. There 's literally no hope whatever for the lumbering airship as a competitor. NONE AT ALL>
@PanzerBuyer
@PanzerBuyer 2 года назад
Imagine flying over Chicago and getting 100 bullet holes in the envelope.
@lukemallon4499
@lukemallon4499 2 года назад
Very informative.Thanks.
@comethiburs2326
@comethiburs2326 2 года назад
@@grahamstevenson1740 unless the utterly gigantic size required to transport 100 containers allows solar power to be viable through sheer scale to weight... then maybe? they would compete with cargo ships.
@TgWags69
@TgWags69 2 года назад
I live in an area where, on occasion, we get to observe the goodyear airships. One time a severe front blew through and the airship I was watching got caught in the turbulence. I am not exaggerating in the slightest when I say that the airship when from standing straight up on its tail to pointing straight at the ground rolling back and forth. It was so jaw dropping that its hard to find words to describe it! Roller coaster is mild to comparison. The only thing I can think of is the Niagara rapids at full flow above the falls. Imagine being in a barrel through that and it would probably compare. If you look at all the footage touting these airships, they are always beautiful days with no wind. I don't believe they will ever be consistently viable due to weather concerns. They can't help but be a bobber on a river of air.
@KF1
@KF1 2 года назад
I was wondering about this. The video talks about sweet cruises for luxury passengers visiting the north pole. But arctic wind can be very strong, and I think the luxury passengers would be anything but comfortable not being able to lift off from a frozen wasteland that was supposed to be a nice visit.
@TAP7a
@TAP7a 2 года назад
@@KF1 Airships fly lower than HTA planes and are typically protected from the worst winds. Following that, the piloting displayed by the Goodyear blimp mentioned doesn't sound particularly idiosyncratic with how airships were piloted during their golden age - where wind lower in the atmosphere was a concern, airships would be piloted more like sailing ships, with skippers looking to work with the wind, apply power when needed and float with it where necessary, to get to the destination, rather than the HTA approach of blasting straight through it or fully navigating right the way around
@SovereignStatesman
@SovereignStatesman 2 года назад
@@KF1 Windspeed is not the relevant factor, but turbulence. However with gyroscopes, LIDAR etc. then it should be possible to avoid it. Remember these ships are heavier than air, and so winds would simply provide lift. It's not as bad as a ship in a rough sea.
@KF1
@KF1 2 года назад
@@SovereignStatesman No, sir. Turbulence is a factor when travelling at high speed and altitude, as is the case for a modern airliner travelling at cruise height. Of course wind speed is the relevant factor, because blimps 1- fly low, and 2- fly slow.
@nzlemming
@nzlemming 2 года назад
It's called "Fasten your 5 point seatbelts, folks. It's going to get a little rough"
@ibsn87
@ibsn87 2 года назад
As a regional pilot that's been dealing with weather extremes
@garrettduffy515
@garrettduffy515 Год назад
We could always use hydrogen. lol.
@rais1953
@rais1953 Год назад
With better, fireproof construction materials hydrogen could be used for lift, especially for remote controlled cargo carrying drones. Some parts of the world have weather that is suitable for airships most of the time.
@johnlucier5654
@johnlucier5654 Год назад
Imagine a 1000ft long craft... In a building storm the barometric pressure has rapidly changing areas, the ship passing through them. What a nightmare when they tried moving gas from bag to bag to compensate.
@rais1953
@rais1953 Год назад
@@johnlucier5654 Prior to the Hindenburg disaster zeppelins plied across the Atlantic for years without getting into trouble. Their structure and design was vastly inferior to anything that would be built now with modern materials and technology. I've been through a thundercloud in a small airliner that was being flung up and down by air currents. It was very unpleasant but the aircraft's structure was strong enough to handle it. An airship being buoyant should handle rough weather pretty well.
@jankopiano577
@jankopiano577 Год назад
@@rais1953 I saw the Goodyear blimp flying through a storm front once over my house. It looked like a very bad situation. They were flying low under the clouds and it was heavily rocking nose to tail.
@irahoppe3632
@irahoppe3632 2 года назад
I've always thought airships had a home in tourism. Also, since we now have automation it seems reasonable for cargo airships be drones so they can use hydrogen (which I understand has better lifting power than helium).
@geraldg9226
@geraldg9226 Год назад
@@Machia52612 Not if they use both. If they keep the H and He in diff. bags . A lot of ways to work it out . Still a cool ship .
@SabbaticusRex
@SabbaticusRex Год назад
@@geraldg9226 Clever idea I bet if you mixed the two you would only get ~50% increase in lifting ability but the hydrogen would be much much more difficult to combust and achieve the correct oxygen ratio . There are so many cool ideas when it comes to airships because the tech sort of just stopped in its tracks a long time ago .. You can create hydrogen using electric current and that current could come from a tiny generation or solar panels on top of the craft.. Talk about cool I just love brainstorming these neat ideas . We need airships ;)
@MrGottaQuestion
@MrGottaQuestion 11 месяцев назад
Hydrogen is critically also a lot cheaper than helium. Helium is super, super, super expensive in these quantities.
@lylyeoh
@lylyeoh 9 месяцев назад
@@MrGottaQuestion yeah and there are more important uses of helium - like for MRIs. Don't waste helium for airships. Airships can't compete with rail, ship and planes for most practical purposes.
@da8874
@da8874 2 года назад
This is a fantsstic option to forest keeping. Think about it: a slow moving, enviromentally friendly airship where a small crew of national guards can constantly supervise a whole mountaij range 24/7 more effectively than a rescue helicopter. It doesnt need big airways, nor constant costly refueling. Put this over Yellowstone national park, or any place where a lot of people go missing and you have a market. EDIT: Maybe blimps to safeguard deserts and do search/rescue? mountains have too much wind activity
@rose348
@rose348 2 года назад
..but mountains are windy and you really REALLY dont want to fly these where it's very windy and there are lots of mountains to crash against
@da8874
@da8874 2 года назад
@@rose348 I would imagine this thing would be more like a balloon that would move slowly when faced with wind. Given that it has wings. But yeah didnt think of that.
@leandrog2785
@leandrog2785 2 года назад
Why don't they just use unmanned drones with high quality cameras? Seems a lot cheaper.
@nickl5658
@nickl5658 Год назад
Very strong winds near mountains makes this idea impossible. It will rip apart an airship or send it crashing on the mountain slope. We will need super materials to build such an airship that can fight the wind and withstand the engine power needed to do so.
@1N2themystic
@1N2themystic Год назад
@@nickl5658 not so much. Airplanes travel at high airspeed and experience turbulence as they hit air currents traveling in different directions which create giant horizontal rolling "eddys". An airship just riding the wind at altitude won't experience the same forces. Release a balloon with a pebble taped to the bottom on a gusty day. It will be happy.
@basedkaiser5352
@basedkaiser5352 2 года назад
I really want to see these projects succeed, there’s something magical about airships.
@linanicolia1363
@linanicolia1363 2 года назад
Not if you are in a hurry. I would like to see Concorde back, of course with improvements......3 hours to cross the Atlantic was fantastic ! Now, they found a way to eliminate the sonic booms that used to bother so many people......Also the landing gear was too vulnerable and too close to the fuel tanks. Such a tragic error.
@onestep873
@onestep873 2 года назад
Zомби
@alexdemoya2119
@alexdemoya2119 2 года назад
Technology is magical to an orc, hence why they steal such wonders like toilets.
@siriussaracen8371
@siriussaracen8371 2 года назад
So how long would it take to fly one of these 5,000 miles? I don't see these things going at high speed.
@Ja2808R
@Ja2808R 2 года назад
What’s with the z in pfp ?
@IBeforeAExceptAfterK
@IBeforeAExceptAfterK 2 года назад
I feel like we're not really going to see the return of airships until someone comes up with a viable solution for operating in suboptimal weather conditions. This video kinda glosses over just how limiting a factor weather is to the viability of airships.
@matthieupicard3515
@matthieupicard3515 2 года назад
and speed relative to planes
@TheElnots
@TheElnots 2 года назад
They haven't, which is why this is only ever going to be a concept. I saw cargo airship prototypes like this back in the early 00s. This isn't anything new.
@hirsebrei90
@hirsebrei90 Год назад
had the same thought. So it seems, I've just watched a 20 minute commercial....
@kiwitrainguy
@kiwitrainguy 10 месяцев назад
Weather also affects aeroplanes as well. Snow, high winds, fog and even heavy rain can ground aeroplanes or cause them to be diverted to alternative airports with consequent delays and extra costs involved.
@ifritreaper69
@ifritreaper69 2 года назад
airship train sounds awesome, you could also imagine if you give major fire and wild life departments this could help against fires if you attach a water attachment system, this would be great also for farming to do a over look on crops.
@GreenGoblet22
@GreenGoblet22 2 года назад
Airships are soooo cool and seem to capture the imagination more than any other form of aircraft (besides maybe The Concorde). I sincerely hope to take a trip on one these someday, glad this industry is being revived
@Mashburn007
@Mashburn007 2 года назад
Blackbird too
@grahamstevenson1740
@grahamstevenson1740 2 года назад
You see a lot of them in steampunk fantasies. That's where they belong.
@Neetje42ever
@Neetje42ever 2 года назад
@@grahamstevenson1740 >steampunk fantasies The way the world is going right now, it may not be a fantasy for long.
@haysnairte4
@haysnairte4 2 года назад
@@grahamstevenson1740 This guy might not know yet of a Full Scale Fantasy Robot being built in Yokohama Japan
@grahamstevenson1740
@grahamstevenson1740 2 года назад
@@haysnairte4 Aha, I found a video of it. I'm not sure of any connection with Airships though.
@johnpaulcolthrust8207
@johnpaulcolthrust8207 2 года назад
One problem is that unlike hydrogen, helium is a very rare and non-renewable resource with other very serious uses eg: MRI machines. Once it leaks away it is irrecoverable, so very aggressive helium conservation will have to be integral to the technology if it is to be a significant transportation option.
@JellyAntz
@JellyAntz 2 года назад
there's a decent amount on the moon and the zone of the gas giants like saturn and its moons in the form of helium-3 if im not mistaken, from solar wind, but that's a whole 'nother endeavor and reason to set up moon infrastructure
@glennwall552
@glennwall552 2 года назад
Oddly it's called waste gas in Australia as it's split from hydrogen . We have given it away.
@LyricLinguist
@LyricLinguist 2 года назад
This was absolutely my first thought. Helium is also used very heavily for testing equipment in research labs and pharmaceutical industries (which impacts both development and manufacture).
@GrubbJunker
@GrubbJunker 2 года назад
Well, if we finally have functional fusion reactors (that is, Q > 1), we'll have helium as a biproduct. So that's a possible source. Though that's a little ways into the future still.
@petercarioscia9189
@petercarioscia9189 2 года назад
@@JellyAntz ah yes let's set up a helium mining operation on the moon to fuel our air ship fleets. Genius I tell yea. Sarcasm aside I know helium has more uses, and more important uses.
@Uda007
@Uda007 Год назад
I love so much the idea and was impressed with what they had done. Look very interesting and easy. After going through this video, now I can understand it is almost impossible to break through so many aspects like cost-effectiveness, the profit margin, competition with the other modes of transportation, and most critical are the technical things in the ability to move up and down or confront different types of weathers or wind condition because it mostly depends on the relativity of weight. Just a slightly different in weight or force can affect the plane. Looks like it gonna take another decade to see it really flying in the air. Maybe when we ran out of fuel or energy sources.
@rickbiessman6084
@rickbiessman6084 2 года назад
Such a fantastic documentary. When I realized it was over, I was extremely surprised that these 20 minutes had already passed. Thanks to everyone involved in making this documentary! =)
@quincyquincy4764
@quincyquincy4764 2 года назад
I would love to do a "sky cruise" above the Caribbean, Africa, Eastern Europe ect. I also like the idea of it being a flying cargo ship
@hg-yg4xh
@hg-yg4xh 2 года назад
Imagine sitting on your patio from your room just sipping a drink, smoking a cigar and watching the gazelle run across the African grassland just hundred of feet above.
@quincyquincy4764
@quincyquincy4764 2 года назад
@@hg-yg4xh Beautiful! Just like watching drone shots from Nat Geo on tv
@IdbaCo.
@IdbaCo. 2 года назад
@@hg-yg4xh beautiful until you see Rocket
@Annatizer
@Annatizer 2 года назад
I would love to see airships actually become a thing again, commercially. For some reason, the idea of airships has a nostalgic feeling to it, because of one of my all time favorite movie series Indiana Jones.
@jbj27406
@jbj27406 2 года назад
Sorry to burst your "bubble", but you'll have to change the laws of economics to do that. And the laws of economics are just about as rock solid as the laws of physics.
@Simmsgreene
@Simmsgreene 2 года назад
Another thing! Helium is a finite resource. It’s mined along with other natural gasses.
@Shiirya
@Shiirya 2 года назад
I always found them incredibly romantic, it has a little mystic flavour in it ! It kinda make you think about thing flying and staying in the sky like a suspended castle, or a boat you could sail and explore the world riding the cloud like you ride the ocean !
@Annatizer
@Annatizer 2 года назад
@@Simmsgreene Yeah, and it sucks. I just wanna see the skyline dotted with slowly moving airships... I wanna feel like I live in some sort of steam-punk/ghibli like world...
@Annatizer
@Annatizer 2 года назад
@@Shiirya I KNOW RIGHT?! that was exactly what I was thinking. Man, if only it could happen.
@TheElnots
@TheElnots 2 года назад
Hey I remember hearing about these airships transporting cargo in the 90s! I think Modern Marvels did a special on it. Glad to see that in over 20 years they have made a tiny amount of progress on it!
@drfirechief8958
@drfirechief8958 Год назад
It does seem like a very niche endeavor. Things like an elevated electronic repeater system that can be used for observations, emergency communication or remote networking systems solves many of the weight issues. It also allows for more R&D with actual aircraft that are being positively used during a period of testing. Example would be airships orbiting a remote area or area of disaster constantly providing real-time information to and from a command center (not wartime). With two or three ships, you could provide 24 hour coverage. Also get lots of air hours with minimal personnel onboard.
@fdjw88
@fdjw88 2 года назад
i work years as a financial analyst, and let me tell you when i heard an investment only has "niche" application in the market, it gets the entire team nervous, especially when the investment also has a high price tag (in the case of "The Whale" already 5B euro development fee). there are a couple more things i want to add regarding airships 1. none existing infrastructure. currently no country on the planet has an experience ground crew to maintain and operate airship. in addition, there are no existing space to store and refuel the airship. literally everything will have to be build from the ground up. this alone is already very unattractive to the transport industry. as it was stated in this vid "the transport industry has very low margin." 2. another problem regarding "the whale" is vehicle maintenance vs transported value. the whale is 200m long, which requires an insanely large storage and maintenance facility. all that capital investment, at the end of the day, you get a transportation vehicle with a carry weight of 60t. that's extreme tiny compare to the size of the vehicle. anyone can do a quick research and see how much weight a 200m cargo ship can carry, there is simply no comparison. plus ship crews are widely available all over the world. 3. ease of operation. as mentioned in the vid, airship lose weight when cargos are dropped and the vehicle automatically gains altitude. it's just not practical to have 30t of water inside your airship all the time. imagine your airship flies to the destination, and before loading can start, the airship will first spend an hour or more unloading 30t of water. you certainly can't just open you loading bay and let all 30t of water randomly drop on the ground right? in the shipping industry, time is money. there is a reason why ship crew no longer get on shore free time when the arrive at a port. because shipping companies are paying interest and principles on those cargo ships every minute. personally, airship looks cool, but with the current technology, it's still not a viable transportation option.
@vincentrusso4332
@vincentrusso4332 2 года назад
Basic cost analysis.....
@heyhoe168
@heyhoe168 2 года назад
Basically railroads beats it any day.
@tvdinner325
@tvdinner325 2 года назад
Until they can control the wind, they are just pretty balloons. The same reason, we don't commute in wicker baskets.
@David-yo5ws
@David-yo5ws 2 года назад
For EU$5B they could have built an aerial 'cable car type system' into a central point where the logs in France were and some internal road network to that central point, where they could transport the logs to, then lift and transport them out. No need for an airship and easier maintenance on the towers and wire cables etc. Luxury Cruise Airships for the well-to-do on specialist tours, is probably the only market where you might make a profit. Interestingly their airship recovering a SpaceX Falcon 9 would require a smaller version of their Whale, as the LT60 lifts 60 tonnes but the Falcon 9 Booster weighs 25.6 tonne. It would only be useful if SpaceX had 2 or more flights planned in a short time, as the Drone Recovery Vessel still has to return to port at some stage. Once again, a niche market.
@Damorann
@Damorann 2 года назад
Franky, if we always went by the financial analysis, nothing groundbreaking would ever come out. When it comes to new ideas, finance tends to be either way too optimistic about it, or so uninterested that they come in when the idea is mainstream.
@UniversalPioneer
@UniversalPioneer 2 года назад
Cargo to remote communities is where I think this will be great for. The price to ship will be very low compared to helicopter and plane deliveries with fuel.
@PeachesCourage
@PeachesCourage 2 года назад
If these airships were adjusted structurally say literally like a rotating something on it? The Air Car in France engine pumps air literally and can go 72 miles per hour however it is small & light Using the wind and propulsion of the airship electrically be feasible like Toyota using momentum to make electricity? If all of this were to be put appropriately would this airship perhaps be able to go faster should it be necessary? With safety in Mind
@moltoniron633
@moltoniron633 2 года назад
If airships could lower the logistics cost to the level of container ships it could be more beneficial especially for landlocked countries.
@simonz5905
@simonz5905 2 года назад
Only with blimps and infinite energy This video politely avoid talking about the parking lots. You can not leave a big airship to long in the open. A 20km/h wind could rip off everything (mast, rope, ship) If not a rigid ship, you can deflate it for the night then refill when ready to go, but that's a huge energy cost The rigid ship can only work for short trips (in that you need super accurate weather forcast) and/or with dedicated giant building at each landing point
@sean8514
@sean8514 2 года назад
I absolutely love this idea, reborn as it is. If I could contribute to anything to it including sweeping floors, I would do it. This is what we need IMO to be applied in so many ways to so many industries.
@SabbaticusRex
@SabbaticusRex Год назад
It won't be economically viable right away ; the tech sort of stopped cold ages ago and it will take time , money and effort in order to create such new vehicles . But don't you agree that we sort of need passion projects like these where people donate their brain power , elbow grease and enthusiasm to offset the fact that 'oh no it wont make us tons of money so may as well trash it and all its future potential!' ... Imagine having co-ops in the fields of tech and aerospace and not just produce markets . heh . I would donate so much time and effort to such a project ..
@lady_draguliana784
@lady_draguliana784 2 года назад
Love this! One idea is Carbon Offset by Expansion. In developed countries where there are increasingly taxes and fees associated with Carbon Emissions, companies could perhaps be convinced to plug some of their gaps with airship tech for that purpose. Repurposing their existing 'fast' transport for priority shipping and shunting slow-speed jobs to new airships; essentially sacrificing nothing while reducing carbon-per-ton emissions. In particular, heavy shipping could end it's dependence on sea routes and fly directly to and fro, avoiding canals and circuitous routes entirely (except where needed to avoid certain airspace, o/c) and could also, potentially, utilized high altitude, high-speed air currents (like the trade winds) to accelerate voyage times just as ships use oceanic currents. So, if the cost of construction and cost per ton for operation is reasonable, shipping companies could build airships instead of *new* cargo sea ships, cross-country trucks, or rail lines; to expand their fleets or replenish tonnage capacity in need of replacement. This would potentially cheapen the shipping costs to companies and even *shorten* shipping times in the case of intercontinental and remote target area shipping.
@onastick2411
@onastick2411 Год назад
Eager to live in a third world country are you. Why go back to airships? Lets go the whole hog, oxen and cart, lets get our groceries from them, if you love ancient failed technologies so much.
@michelemarcolin2548
@michelemarcolin2548 8 месяцев назад
Nonsense. Emissions and CO2 issues are hoaxes. Ways for milking money that can not be motivated otherwise. There is no evidence of any increase of CO2 nor of the possibility to control its amount on earth.
@jzk3919
@jzk3919 2 года назад
I spent two years at Bodensee, home of Zeppelin and I am fortunate to have acquinted with the staff of the Zeppelin Museum. About your video-It intruduced some new problems and solutions but it would have added to the overall aim of knowledge distribution if Russian, Chinese and other designs, R&D were included - at least mentioned.
@Mrdresden
@Mrdresden 2 года назад
A 20 minute video talking about huge helium sinks but not once does it go into the reason helium is so expensive! There is a world wide scarcity going on for the gas, and with its use being critical in so many different industries already, with no new sources coming online, placing huge amounts of it in unproven niche transportation projects that will do little to curb overall emissions (as they say them selves, they can not replace the already entranched industry) sounds like lunacy to me. I do give it to them though, that airships do look fantastic.
@shannonmikus550
@shannonmikus550 2 года назад
Using helium as a boyant gas makes as much sense as building canals full of mercury to carry river barges. Hydrogen is safer than gasoline and TWICE as effective as helium for boyancy. The official reports that blamed hydrogen for the Hindenberg have repeatedly been debunked and I am not suprised to see that this Bloomberg-sponsored pseudo-science advertisement fails to make that point in favor of pushing the agenda that is, "wow it would be nice to have effective airships, but we won't let the peasants have clean and effective transpportation while there is $$ to be made by lying to those peasants".
@marrqi7wini54
@marrqi7wini54 2 года назад
@@shannonmikus550 I do agree with your assessment. Yes hydrogen is quite flammable though at the same time, rocket fuel, jet fuel, gasoline, and nuclear energy can be just as dangerous if things go wrong. A whole bunch of safeguards will be needed to make sure that doesn't happen.
@allenmorseiii295
@allenmorseiii295 Год назад
Fascinating! I did talk to a person who flew across the Atlantic in the sister ship to the Hindenberg and they said it was unlike anything they've experienced since...an oceanliner of the skies. However the Macon, as well as others used by the US Navy went down in squall lines. They're sensitive to weather, particularly crosswinds. So I'm not sure how an airship is going overcome this problem. The Airlander looks amazing in the interior but it would cruise slow and storms might be a problem. I would have to think twice before boarding one. Do I really want to do this?
@jasonallen1532
@jasonallen1532 Год назад
Excellent program guys, thanks.
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@danhalo1
@danhalo1 2 года назад
2 problems. Helium is not a renewable resource and is already running low on earth. So need to find an alternative to that. And what does an airship do in high winds?
@kingduckford
@kingduckford 2 года назад
That's why hydrogen worked so well. Yes, extremely dangerous. But extremely cheap and expendable.
@danhalo1
@danhalo1 2 года назад
@@kingduckford well we can’t use hydrogen because like you said, too dangerous. We don’t want a repeat of the Hindenburg. Nobody will ever infest in something that can easily explode while riding it.
@johnghostwriter5154
@johnghostwriter5154 2 года назад
For loading and unloading cargo you could just lending the ship and attach it to a structure on the soil, it could make everything easier
@bombasticbuster9340
@bombasticbuster9340 2 года назад
Use A.I. to anticipate weather and wind patterns. Action- Reaction props ran by the program. When unloading or loading an airship drop a hose for relieving , or compressing/ add lift gas and balast. We have tons of tech now to apply to these ships. It makes sense to get into remote areas and keep costs low for resource retrieval.
@dr.redstone7980
@dr.redstone7980 2 года назад
I did some back-of-the-envelope math on what kind of airship would be required to emulate existing container ships. For a 500.000 tonne airship with 1 kg/m3 of lift and scaling the Hindenburg's dimensions and power, it would need to be 3.3 km long and need 650.000 Kw (870K Hp) to move at the same speed as Hindenburg. For comparison, A 500.000 tonne container ship needs ~80.000 Kw. It would also need half a cubic kilometre of helium, at a cost of $1.5 billion.
@WengStansWorld
@WengStansWorld 2 года назад
true, Helium is the second-most common element in the universe, but it's comparatively rare on Earth.
@kamron_thurmond
@kamron_thurmond 2 года назад
I don't think they want to replace container ships, but container trucks such as semi-trucks, 18 wheelers, and big rigs.
@phoephoe795
@phoephoe795 2 года назад
Container ships are also crazy efficient- there isnt a chance of replacing them. Airships are looking at replacing helicopters, freight transport across land/into remote areas, and passenger transport across oceans.
@fluoroantimonictippedcruis1537
@fluoroantimonictippedcruis1537 2 года назад
It's not realistic any air vehicle does any major freight. These things replace short distance air freight at best. Long distance air freight will always be done by large HBR turbofans. The only novel application i have any degree of confidence of them fufilling is as high altitude communications relays, for civilian and military markets alike. These ballons have incredible endurance, quite literally in the order of months. At high altitude they could service more mobile phones than land based cellular towers and will have lower latency and cost than space based LEO sats.
@weblure
@weblure 2 года назад
@@fluoroantimonictippedcruis1537 Until it gets blown away by a bad storm.
@kksmith244
@kksmith244 2 года назад
Hydrogen didn't doom the Hindenburg: static lightning and the flammable skin burned before the gas was engulfed. All they have to do is combine hydrogen / helium where the ratio isn't flammable if it leaks.
@linanicolia1363
@linanicolia1363 2 года назад
Don't you think they should have known that ?
@kksmith244
@kksmith244 2 года назад
@@linanicolia1363 The Hindenburg was less lethal than 737 MAX crashes due to how low and slow it was, but media hysteria would rather focus on the twisted remains and how "dangerous" hydrogen is. Not much has changed.
@forcesightknight
@forcesightknight 2 года назад
There must be a flash point of a helium/hydrogen mix. Hydrogen can be a on demand gas, for both ballast and fuel. As stated in comments though, is about the big oil not wanting this to be successful.
@AstraOG
@AstraOG Год назад
i think there could be a market for something similar to a houseboat but in the air. While the weight issue is a fairly straightforward answer to solving, an issue of concern would be how you have these not interfere with current air traffic. Personally, I would limit travel around high-traffic air corridors, and find some way to prevent interference with smaller aircraft. Perhaps places could have a designated flat, clear area near runways that is specifically meant for airship landing and parking.
@rob379lqz
@rob379lqz 2 года назад
Couple issues: 1. Can you outrun/outskirt a weather system? 2. Helium is safe, however very expensive. Perhaps a hybrid system with in inner bladder of Hydrogen… surrounded by the helium bladder, which acts like a safety cell.
@justmoddie5963
@justmoddie5963 2 года назад
Helium isn't very easy to produce. You can catch it the best. I am more scared that we are running out of the usable Helium of the world. Aren't we already running out of Helium in like 8 years or so?
@IBeforeAExceptAfterK
@IBeforeAExceptAfterK 2 года назад
@GR-75 Medium Transport Tell me you're an Elon Musk fanboy without telling me you're an Elon Musk fanboy.
@michaelt.5672
@michaelt.5672 2 года назад
About 1: Weather issues could be circumvented by flying higher than the troposhpere. Besides that, it's a matter of how to achieve the nessecary structural integrity to withstand certain forces. And for that, modern engineering has a LOT more materials to work with than they had back in the 10s and 20s.
@rob379lqz
@rob379lqz 2 года назад
@@justmoddie5963 Yes… just like we were told in 1977 that we were out of oil by 2023… and like OAC tells us we have aboot 11 years left… Helium is an element that is renewing at aboot 700 million tons per minute from our sun. That’s what I read…
@IBeforeAExceptAfterK
@IBeforeAExceptAfterK 2 года назад
@@rob379lqz And if we're willing to count the rest of the universe, helium is so abundant that the idea of running out is downright ludicrous. Still doesn't really mean anything when we don't have any way of getting to it. Those 700 million tons produced per minute in our sun don't mean a thing at our current level of advancement.
@melvin9898
@melvin9898 2 года назад
Who ever named it flying buttocks has my respect.
@news2hedz227
@news2hedz227 2 года назад
Wonder if the ground crew plays Back That Azz Up while maneuvering? 🙌🍑
@jimmooney8195
@jimmooney8195 2 года назад
At 6:33 - the passenger travel sounds intriguing, even appealing, especially with so much space to mill about and use restrooms without climbing over 2 other people. But such flights would have to be limited to sunny and relatively calm days. Airships have a lot of surface area for a given passenger or cargo load, so they are more vulnerable to turbulence, and they can't fly high enough to rise above storms. They'll take far longer to cross an ocean, and most passengers would not be pleased with flying in thunderstorms or other turbulent weather on long trips.
@owenstockwood5040
@owenstockwood5040 2 года назад
@Kyle Wooldridge Probably not, as that would put them in direct competition with conventional aircraft, which airships cannot compete with. The only passenger market that might work for airships is luxury cruising. People are not going to travel by airship if it takes days instead of hours to get to your destination, all for a relatively paltry saving on airfare.
@midgetman4206
@midgetman4206 2 года назад
Wait, why couldn't they fly above storms? Wouldn't a pressurized cabin be part of the design? It is a luxury craft right? That's something they would want, if anything at least to see the cloud cover from above (because that's awesome).
@nzlemming
@nzlemming 2 года назад
@Kyle Wooldridge I know what you mean, but I think the point of weight vs lift might limit that.
@nzlemming
@nzlemming 2 года назад
@@midgetman4206 It depends how big the storm is. Probably easier to fly *around* storms rather then to take them on directly.
@midgetman4206
@midgetman4206 2 года назад
@@nzlemming Though that would probably be true for most storms, my point is that you'd need a pressurized cabin in order to see other views. Some locations are really high up, mountains and plateaus, not being able to scale them will limit the aircraft quite a bit.
@williamburroughs9686
@williamburroughs9686 2 года назад
13:20 There is another solution to the lift difference problem. Earlier in the video you stated that this type of airship was a heavier than air build. Meaning that you need to use the propellers and forward momentum to keep the aircraft airborne. Why use that to counterbalance the cargo. Then scale it down when you unload? You could also use a combination of propellers and ballast to maximize efficiency. You talked about using propellers would defeat the purpose, but you would also note that you would only need to additional force while carrying the load. Not while traveling to and from the site to pick up the load. Again, propellers and ballast in combo should help alleviate the additional cost.
@Marthyboy88
@Marthyboy88 2 года назад
Use Graphite batteries and small turbines to keep electricity flowing to the propellers as well. Keeps overall weight lower by completely avoiding the need for fuel
@jjjcanas40
@jjjcanas40 2 года назад
With Helium being a finite, mined resource and having read that we are quickly running out of stocks, combined with the fact that helium is used in medical equipment and scientific research, I think the feasibility of a sustainable airship industry would be seriously compromised.
@anandsharma7430
@anandsharma7430 2 года назад
@Buzz Baldwin On similar lines, there could be distributed vacuum balloons inside a larger space of much lesser helium gas, thus causing overall buoyancy to be the same with much lesser helium. Maybe they could use another gas, if they could control the temperature and pressure. All of this requires super light but super strong materials. Changing the temperature could allow control of buoyancy. But you need to use such a gas (easy) and build the mechanism using a super light and super strong material (very hard).
@edwardbrito4010
@edwardbrito4010 2 года назад
N2 gas mix seems ideal for low altitude missions seem best.
@hichamsaddek9496
@hichamsaddek9496 2 года назад
I love the way these owners are realistic with their idea, really great product but they dont dream of the impossible but only the possible and ways to make the impossible possible in a client's perspective not theirs, really great job there !
@phoe8523
@phoe8523 2 года назад
I think it´s interesting to mention that Zeppelin developed the "Zeppelin NT" and most of it´s customers returned the Airships after leasing ended or even before that, because their business model failed. Okay, they "lost" one Airship in Africa to a heavy storm and later rebuilt it. The only companies flying these now are Goodyear and Zeppelin themselve. They don´t even attempt to join the Airship renaissance. The other company that tried to use an Airship for Cargo was CargoLifter. They had to file for bankruptcy later and the giant hangar is now housing the "Tropical Island".
@marvinidler2289
@marvinidler2289 2 года назад
Cargolifter pretended to build an airship, never did. It was a scam, to collect subsidies and sell shares. This part worked well, people just wanted to believe.
@phoe8523
@phoe8523 2 года назад
@@marvinidler2289 They actually had a working lifting cell and a working load transfer system, so they had more than other companies have right now.
@marvinidler2289
@marvinidler2289 2 года назад
@@phoe8523 What they had was bought elsewhere. They didn't produce anything themselves. The celebrated the start of production with politicians, but never started.
@tomc.5704
@tomc.5704 2 года назад
Airship Ventures also tried to find a business model for airships. They lasted from 2007 - 2012 before disassembling their airship and sending it back to the factory
@phoe8523
@phoe8523 2 года назад
@@tomc.5704 Yes, they have had a leasing contract and returned the ship and all the included ground equipment back to Zeppelin BEFORE leasing ended. They had a hard time finding flight passengers because that was unusual for the US. The other company was from Japan. Now both of them are flying over Europe.
@Riskijan
@Riskijan 8 месяцев назад
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@PRH123
@PRH123 5 месяцев назад
Have been reading articles and watching programs for ~40 years about the relaunch of passenger and cargo carrying airships. There's none being used yet. Reminds one of flying cars or fusion power. Weather ballons and observation airships never stopped being used. This is the niche where they are truly useful.
@TAP7a
@TAP7a 2 года назад
I really hope it works. Airships are beautiful, and having an environmentally friendly way of doing mass transit by air would be a big win. Trains are amazing, but as identified the infrastructure gaps can be served by this mode. But ultimately, I'm not intimately familiar with the economic case, I just want airships to make a glorious return for the sake of having airships again.
@nickl5658
@nickl5658 Год назад
Problem is airships are huge. And the sky has strong winds. Material science simply cannot build an airship strong enough to fight the winds and not be torn apart.
@petermclelland278
@petermclelland278 Год назад
Milk is brilliant too.
@lukemallon4499
@lukemallon4499 2 года назад
I love airships. ( I always imagined how cool one that looks like Thunderbird Two would look- especially if it was carrying one of those little yellow submersibles!)
@maximonacer5039
@maximonacer5039 Год назад
Introducing a new method of transportation, the ABC or Air-Buoyancy-Carrier…merging a single track like a monorail to provide structural support to the engine connected to and pulling a light structure on the air. It can be built faster and cheaper than any road since it does not require as much concrete to be built. The buoyancy part is to provide structural support to the track any time it needs to connect two points separated by water.
@iqbalkamal5122
@iqbalkamal5122 8 месяцев назад
It can have vacuum space to take in air from outside and breathe out while climbing up. Also efficient air cooling to compress the gas.
@timothywhite8932
@timothywhite8932 2 года назад
I think that there has been very little development within the shipping industry because large diesel engines are so cost effective. It might be simpler to create a ship with low emissions than build an airship.
@gamebox131
@gamebox131 2 года назад
Maybe we can use the wind! The natural currents of the sea?
@90enemies
@90enemies 2 года назад
It's definitely more cost efficient to build that than an airship. Air ship by all means will never be able to carry as much as Ships. If one day they can, they won't be called air ships. My rant aside Some Cargo ships and cruise ships are trying *Rotor Sails* to see if it has potential. So you might want to look out for that.
@helloitsjay38
@helloitsjay38 2 года назад
@@gamebox131 I read something about that recently. There was a proposal for some hyper efficient automated sails for cargo vessels. Basically just as a secondary form of propulsion to reduce diesel engine use during the longer trans-oceanic portions of their journey. Haven't seen anything about it in the last couple years but that would be amazing to see us return to an age of sails ha! Lots of engineering challenges there though. Tricky to get the shipping companies to buy into something so different from the norm.
@rexbentley8332
@rexbentley8332 2 года назад
Always yappin' about emissions. Really worried about it?Then quit breathing a couple minutes every day. You put out more co2 per day than the average car does. Why? You're running 24/7 average car only runs a few hours a day.
@in4mal_baker270
@in4mal_baker270 2 года назад
@@rexbentley8332 Here king you dropped this /s
@bliglum
@bliglum 2 года назад
As a fan of Tale Spin as a child. I am looking forward to the resurgence of airships... Giant, airborne air-cruise ships, offering the best views, maybe a small airport..
@changbeerbeer
@changbeerbeer 10 месяцев назад
Mapping remote areas with a range of cameras and sensors, cargo, travel, looks like this has enough applications to work! Probably amazing to see in person! 👍
@jeshiseifo34
@jeshiseifo34 Год назад
From Ethiopia I just love the idea and it can fix more problems
@garethdavies9848
@garethdavies9848 2 года назад
I worked at Airship Industries, and trust me when it was a small fun idea it worked .Alan Bond(Swan Later Australian entrepreneur) ran us well at a distance. Once we started down the airborne early warning (potential navy)contracts path, we started employing waves of designers in London and eventually sold out to Westinghouse it was game over after that ,a couple of months of late to no pay and the alarm bells rang.The skyship 600' were great (can't go wrong with Porsche 911 engines) and a fantastic original design. Fond memories-sorry about the original badly written 1st draft thanks for the comments
@garethdavies9848
@garethdavies9848 2 года назад
Thanks yes that was pretty bad have edited that
@AFMR0420
@AFMR0420 2 года назад
It occurs to me that one could use anchors, tie lines and dynamic control surfaces that act as anti-lift wings (like a spoiler on a car), for controlling payload drop off better.
@zuutlmna
@zuutlmna 2 года назад
Ever wonder how the Germans during WW1 handled cargo/supply off-load situations, with those early Zeppelins?.. My guess is they took on ballast (water, sand bags) during the process of unloading, a well calculated weight-exchange process. Or think of those big passenger airships of the same era taking on passengers, baggage, supplies, fuel and other misc. all while at the mooring mast, as with the British airships. As weight increased during that process (boarding/loading), there were likely frequent water ballast discharges that maintained a comfortable equilibrium at the mast. The German Hindenburg airship delivered an small airplane to Brazil on one occasion, and an automobile (Volkswagon?) on another occasion. So the Hindenburg was moving both passengers and cargo.
@Nill757
@Nill757 2 года назад
Anchor cables can work (and were/are) if they can be set in still air conditions. They’re not going to be a reliable way of securing an airborne ship in high wind conditions. The only reliable way of securing a fixed buoyancy ship in most weather conditions, so far, is a high tower, which the ship can approach slowly upwind. Only a massive high tower is suitable for loading/unloading tons of cargo. The industry doesn’t want to for pay for such structures, so they push PR pieces like this in hopes of opening the public purse. The only way of practically managing airships is via dynamic buoyancy as w submarines, which would also be expensive.
@carloscarrillo6493
@carloscarrillo6493 2 года назад
They do have "anchors" or as we {Crew of Airship} call them, 25-pound lead bags...! You have to carry two in each hand for offsetting the weigh of each passenger coming off the Airship while the blimp is moving and you are running to keep up with the motion all the while the propellers are turning at 33000 RPM at two feet away from your arms.
@Nill757
@Nill757 2 года назад
@@carloscarrillo6493 The anchors referenced above were fixed tie down cables. Still, the heavy bag transfer sounds like a very effective procedure, until bad weather or high winds come up, given all your procedures must be doable outdoors and with the ship airborne.
@rexbentley8332
@rexbentley8332 Год назад
Just turn the thing in to the wind.
@Oleksa-Derevianchenko
@Oleksa-Derevianchenko Год назад
Wow, that's cool! I hope to see such plans succeeding and use some of these services
@aligergeri5686
@aligergeri5686 Год назад
Having a cruise on an airship count me in the longer the ride the better. I used to love those slow trains who had cabins and bars, you rarely find that stuff anymore unless you 4x the price on a speed train. I hope they manage, because cruse sea ships are getting a pain TBH.
@picahudsoniaunflocked5426
@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 2 года назад
My pals in medical-tech have been concerned about helium shortages/depletion for years. I wonder how that issue competes with the needs of this industry?
@lucasgrey9794
@lucasgrey9794 2 года назад
Clean Helium is NOT required for airships. Dirty Helium is abundant and common.
@TheDetailsMatter
@TheDetailsMatter 2 года назад
Helium is derived from natural gas. I don't recall hearing about a shortage of natural gas lately. I'm also a bit disinclined to give credibility to claims of shortages when helium is widely sold as a party favor.
@rruysch
@rruysch 2 года назад
@@TheDetailsMatter there is a shortage. In fact they number the helium shortages because its a recurrant problem.
@futurehofer1564
@futurehofer1564 2 года назад
I think making airplanes greener and invest in rail seems easier and better I can see the utility of it but those are some major issues
@SK-zi3sr
@SK-zi3sr Год назад
In Australia where our trains are slow I could see blimps being useful. The price of boarding would be a make or break. It doesn’t need to be high luxury necessarily
@GuardsmanBass
@GuardsmanBass Год назад
With regards to offsetting the loss of weight when they unload, wouldn't it make more sense to just anchor them to the ground while they unload, then slowly loosen them up once they're done? Alternatively, if they're hybrid airships that require active engine support to stay afloat, you can always adjust the engine output to offset it.
@apocraphontripp4728
@apocraphontripp4728 2 года назад
I thought of this too. Respectfully, Id use a candermeran design, having 2 air ships with the passager area hanging on the bottom, for an increase stability. Imagine a 747 body in a triangle structure with 2 air ships above. The weight on the bottom would also give stability in heavy winds. Youd have reversible electric propellers on the front and back of each of the air ships, to give roll pitch yaw ect. You could also add long wings down from the higher airship parts, to increase stability and give a stabile platform for landing. It would be slow but you could carry heavy cargo efficiently. Added lift might be able to be achieved by having tungsten wires inside the airship parts to heat the inert helium, causing the helium to expand and create more lift. I could draw you a diagram to better explain it.
@Doofwarrior88
@Doofwarrior88 2 года назад
I think an air ship passenger liner would be pretty awesome. I think people would enjoy flying in between major cities that are close together. You make it fun and luxurious. Like a party in the sky
@Makeyourselfbig
@Makeyourselfbig Год назад
How many people do you think could afford something like that?
@RedRocket4000
@RedRocket4000 2 года назад
The curse of one extremely effective radio guy on the Hindenburg crash despite the low death toll vastly exceeded by top passenger railway crashes and much greater airliner deaths following WWII made people way more scared of airships. Yes the fire part scary but that airplanes as well. It just shows how lack of context in reporting shifts things massively in similar way tons of people scared to death by airliners while the trip to the air port way more dangerous.
@jimbraslow1774
@jimbraslow1774 Год назад
Years ago I worked with Wearhouser Corporation and the row crop growers of Santa Maria, California. The goal was to transport produce from central California to Japan in 3 days. Air freight is expensive and refrigerated containers take from 1 to 2 weeks. Every thing showed it was very economical. Japan paid high prices for fresh and perfect produce. Never found out why it did not proceed.
@vitor900000
@vitor900000 2 года назад
Import things to consider: Helium is rare and too important to be used carelessness. Luxury flights aren't worth. Look at 979 concord and ticket price was one of the major reasons it failed. While the rich is the most likely to fly they still are a very little portion of the people that fly.
@sterlingodeaghaidh5086
@sterlingodeaghaidh5086 2 года назад
The Concord was supprisingly profitable, the reason it went away was because the profit margins were smaller than that of conventional airplanes and the routes were limited. They didn't fail because tickets were too expensive, they failed because the concept didn't fit the marketing airlines wanted to work with. Plus public perception fell away after a few bad P.R incidents.
@peterreber7671
@peterreber7671 2 года назад
My thoughts too. Not in touch with reality as evidenced by "the obvious example, flying to the north pole". Noooo, it is not.
@vitor900000
@vitor900000 2 года назад
@@sterlingodeaghaidh5086 if the profit margins where thin yet the ticket prices where still too high to have a significant demand it means it failed because it wasn't worth. So yes ticket price was one of the many reasons it failed.
@sterlingodeaghaidh5086
@sterlingodeaghaidh5086 2 года назад
@@vitor900000 demand wasn’t an issue tho, yes they never filled every seat but the plain ran on average 60%, financial experts and the airlines all said that it was more than enough to justify the plane as ticket prices were set to where it was above business at the time meaning they could break even on every flight with 20-30% capacity of the plane. It wasn’t really a factor at all as demand was there and was justifiable. It’s hard to explain but no ticket prices wasn’t a factor.
@VanquishedAgain
@VanquishedAgain 2 года назад
The concord failed because supersonic flight was banned over land
@Danielevans2
@Danielevans2 2 года назад
It's just an enormous kite! I get scared landing a plane in bad weather but imagine it in an blimp 😳
@phoe8523
@phoe8523 2 года назад
. . . and even ON the ground the danger is not over yet. The Zeppelin company lost only one of the "Zeppelin NT" and that was due to a heavy storm in Africa when the Airship was tied to the mast. They did not had a hangar there, only the mast vehicle. A Blimp (like Airlander) is the weakest form of an airship. It deforms in high winds but a hard landing is no problem. A Semi-Ridgid (like the Zeppelin NT) has a inner skeleton, connecting the fly-cells, motors and control surfaces, but it is still soft enough not to get damaged on a hard landing. A Ridgid Airship has a outer skeleton (like the FlyingWhale concept or older Zeppelins) and can fight even higher winds without significant damage, but it absolutely does not like any kind of harder ground contact.
@zitakenny7787
@zitakenny7787 Месяц назад
What an exciting venture, let's hope airships do make a comeback, I've enjoyed this documentary thank you
@rougeomen7649
@rougeomen7649 Год назад
I’ve been working on 27 patents that fix every problem talked about here. My dream is to revolutionize aviation with airships. I’m blown away that I never see any of these videos have any of my ideas already. I just need to save enough money working as a pilot for fedex then I’m going to fund a larger prototype. I have smaller models I have one large enough to fly me around with no fuel consumption. Fully electric. Pure solar 10 hour flight time. I keep in mind worst case scenarios like sandstorms, fire etc.
@DieNextInLINE
@DieNextInLINE 2 года назад
While the whole airship as a luxury passenger thing is silly, I really like the idea of it being used in the way that Flying Whales wants to. Im really not sure exactly how economically viable it is to design and build this thing, but ideally it does sound like a decent idea. I could see something like this being used in areas that our infrastructure hasn't been developed. Who knows, though. I'm still skeptical about how viable it is.
@johnjephcote7636
@johnjephcote7636 2 года назад
I know that there is little comparison with the hydrogen dirigibles of the past (such as the R101), but even with the greater lift of hydrogen and the sheer size of those dirigibles, their speed (even in calm conditions), their pressure height and their surplus lifting capacity were all severely limited.
@grahamstevenson1740
@grahamstevenson1740 2 года назад
Indeed. Big airships were a 'flash in the pan'. The age of the large airship lasted less than 20 years FOR A VERY GOOD REASON ! Trying to bring them back is a senseless waste of time. I've seen several ventures in this sector fail in my lifetime. They are as ridiculous as flying cars.
@index7787
@index7787 2 года назад
@@grahamstevenson1740 agreed on all but the flying car, we already have flying cars, they are just called helicopters, they are just expensive AF, multi-rotors can easily change this in our life time, I have personally made an X8 that i can ride around in at 90+ mph for under $2000. And any improvement in battery technology will only make them more viable.
@grahamstevenson1740
@grahamstevenson1740 2 года назад
@@index7787 NO. A helicopter is not a CAR. It has no ability to drive along roads. I can tell you that any advance in battery 'technology' is likely to be quite a small improvement. You'd need to understand their electrochemistry and practical manufacture to understand why in any detail though. What is this 'X8' ? BTW, it's HOVERING that uses huge amounts of power. There's no way of avoiding it in rotary wing aircraft. In conventional winged aircraft, the required lift is generated much more efficiently by forward motion of the wing.
@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive
@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive 8 месяцев назад
A lot of places are cloud seeding because of droughts. But they use airplanes that could only be kept airborne in one area for a limited period and carry a very small capacity. They should look into blimps and airships for this task.
@travismoore7849
@travismoore7849 7 месяцев назад
Just think if you had thin flexible film solar cells on the top to run electric motors and light weight solid or semisolid state aluminum sulfur batteries or whatever is nonflammable. Though the airship could store hydrogen from electrolysis of water for lift. Or store it in light weight carbon fiber tanks and use stored power for fuel cells in a loop.
@AnalystRK
@AnalystRK 2 года назад
I do not see it very practical for passenger transport, but it can play major role in cargo transport.
@the_worst_of_friends924
@the_worst_of_friends924 2 года назад
This was my 8th grade project and my sophomore project. A couple years ago, did a flying shipping company that got hydrogen from collecting water vapor in the atmosphere and then use electrolysis to obtain hydrogen.
@joshuamoore24_7
@joshuamoore24_7 Год назад
If you could use space heaters in the middle of the blimp envelope that are controlled from inside of the cockpit. Then the space heaters could heat the air occasionally inside of the blimp, and it would help control the level of lift. Plus it would be cheaper than using helium.
@kenoliver8913
@kenoliver8913 6 месяцев назад
I think if this ever happens it will only ever be specialised cargo, not passengers. You can carry loads that won't physically fit into an airliner and can unload directly where it is will be installed - no airport required. I don't think it will ever do passengers commercially because it is impossible to make them safe enough to get certification - they are too vulnerable to weather for a start. Pure freight can get away with a bit more risk (maybe give the crew parachutes and - for close to the ground - zip lines 🙂). And with bespoke cargo you can usually wait for the right weather before picking up your load.
@chrisrautmann8936
@chrisrautmann8936 2 года назад
As a former blimp mechanic, I can say unequivocally, airships are a thing of the past. Bad weather, freak winds, rain and snow are all capable of destroying an airship in moments. Not to mention the fact that helium is a VERY limited resource that cannot be manufactured, and has MUCH better uses. The average is a blimp lost once a year due to a squall line, a snow storm, or similar weather events that happen almost every day.
@lukefirst407
@lukefirst407 2 года назад
man that makes me so sad, they are so beauitful and cool
@passerby4507
@passerby4507 2 года назад
Nick Allman, COO of Hybrid Air Vehicles, finally gets some global press coverage and the message he wants to tell the world is the pilot of the airship will have an amazing view. I wonder why no one is buying into this.
@pappi8338
@pappi8338 2 года назад
Because of Helium-3 shortage, no mass production of vehicles, inefficient in speed and cargo capacity, etc...
@Ithirahad
@Ithirahad 2 года назад
@@pappi8338 Not sure where He-3 comes into this. It's a worse lifting gas than regular helium.
@dimitristripakis7364
@dimitristripakis7364 9 месяцев назад
Perhaps they could fill it with water or sand or concrete blocks to regulate constant weight. E.g. for each tonne of cargo you put in, you take out a tonne of ballast. This way it stays on the ground.
@DallasGunther
@DallasGunther 2 года назад
A luxury airship trip over the top of the earth would be dope.
@GjaP_242
@GjaP_242 Год назад
Dirigibles include rigid airships (like the Hindenburg), semi-rigid airships (like the Zeppelin NT), and blimps (like the Goodyear blimp). A blimp (technically a “pressure airship”) is a powered, steerable, lighter-than-air vehicle whose shape is maintained by the pressure of the gases within its envelope. Zeppelins still fly today; in fact the new Goodyear airship is a not a blimp but a zeppelin, built by a descendant of the same company that built Graf Zeppelin and Hindenburg. 12:21 [Airships Net]
@lawrencemorris2261
@lawrencemorris2261 2 года назад
That would be mouth drool levels of epic. I definitely want to see the reintegration of genuine rigid or semi rigid airships(not just blimp) in my lifetime. Ugh that would be so freaking awesome
@markdavis2475
@markdavis2475 2 года назад
I lived near to Cardington, it really was mind-blowing to see the Airlander flying over during testing! Shame they crashed it! They won't be the first or last airship company to set up, go to Cardington, spend huge amounts of cash, almost succeed, then fail! Sad but that's how it's been so far!
@nogymrequired7534
@nogymrequired7534 2 года назад
Hey, I live in Bedford too and a few years ago it flew over my house. The coolest thing ever, looks like it's straight out of the future.
@nosnibor800
@nosnibor800 2 года назад
Its such a persistant idea !
@christianblu
@christianblu 2 года назад
Only Americans could take a word spelt 'niche' and pronounce it 'nitch'. It makes them sound so idiotic. Ironically the word mostly gets used in documentaries and intellectually stimulating media at which point spoils the immersion of buying into the concept described.
@PassTheSnails
@PassTheSnails 2 года назад
@@christianblu 1: who asked 2: I have almost exclusively heard individuals with a british accent pronounce it “nitch”
@christianblu
@christianblu 2 года назад
@cvo777 You have almost exclusively heard have you? So most Americans pronounce it correctly and it is exclusively the ones that make it into mainstream media that then decide to pronounce it "nitch"? I guess you are a "nitch" user. As you have incorrectly used "exclusively". I wonder do you also put "literally" in every second sentence for no reason? It is not your fault you are a product of your upbringing and it has failed you. Living in a country that has butchered so many things in their 300 years of "history" and have culminated in making Donald Trump the individual to lead them forward who could blame you?
@pattoneill2402
@pattoneill2402 Год назад
I would LOVE to travel this way!!
@sentinel9256
@sentinel9256 2 года назад
Awesome!! Since childhood I wanted to make and fly in one!
@sentinel9256
@sentinel9256 2 года назад
Some comments down here are seriously interesting. Quite a knowledgeable set of YT surfers!
@Chu6um
@Chu6um 2 года назад
The viability is intriguing, to say the least. I could see the upper skin being covered with newer, flexible solar panels providing electricity, and perhaps air condensing intake aspects for collecting water for use in shower or dining needs, using energy from the solar grid for heat and engine needs. A lot of conceptual possibilities if research progresses. It would be interesting to see this option progress, especially with the western nations pushing so hard to convert to 'green energy' solutions.
@sammoschel2235
@sammoschel2235 2 года назад
perovskite solar cells
@ryan49805
@ryan49805 2 года назад
One of these that could run safely and effectively on solar would be soo cool and fun IMO.
@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive
@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive 2 года назад
How feasible would it be to install wind turbine generators? They are already up in the air and using turbines to push.
@disappointment00000
@disappointment00000 Год назад
Frankly, this will not work for luxury travel or long-distance travel, but the best application for such a product is a bus system inside the city or town to town. The speed of this aircraft is low, so this aircraft can be used as a bus inside the country. For example, towers near each train station; people buy a ticket and go to the top of the tower where air buss land people leave or enter the aircraft, and it takes them to the next destination. In this way, it reduces the load on a city-to-city train station and helps more people work in and live outside the city.
@spookedspooks
@spookedspooks 11 месяцев назад
Here’s why we should bring back airships. First off, yes they are vulnerable to weather conditions and can crash. BUT this is also generally the same with planes as well. Airships had less crashes per miles than planes and are more energy efficient. They are also much more I guess roomier? I would rather take a 1 1/2 day zeppelin journey in my own cabin than a 17 hour plane journey. Yes planes can still be used for business flights and such but zeppelins would have been much safer today if we had kept using them. They were a new technology and by today they would have been the safest thing ever. We shouldn’t have abandoned them
@Darkdenice06
@Darkdenice06 2 года назад
When thinking airships I can't help but think about the cross section of these things... how even a small wind could push it and create a ton of turbulence... not sure how stable you can get even with thrusters. As a passenger I would probably be terrified. Not to mention the ground crew have logs over their heads hanging when they are being loaded. Now for the French whale, they say one of the technologies needed would be compressors for helium that are efficient. Why not then just go down that road? Build these compressors, be the first one to. Then you can sell the tech to other companies or use it directly.
@webstercat
@webstercat 2 года назад
Flying North South / South North the Airship is moving 1 k mph “sideways”.
@nzlemming
@nzlemming 2 года назад
Compressors (and compressed helium) are heavy. I think it will go that way eventually, but it needs a step change in technology.
@jimwhelan9152
@jimwhelan9152 2 года назад
True. The demise of large rigid frame airships (which differ from blimps) was due mostly to structural failures due to an inability to cope with things like wind shear. Modern materials may help but natural forces are very powerful. Keeping a large, light weight, structure stable is tremendously difficult.
@__-pl3jg
@__-pl3jg 2 года назад
I've been wanting to ride in a zeppelin ever since I was a kid so I hope these companies are a success.
@phoe8523
@phoe8523 2 года назад
I had the chance to fly "Zeppelin NT" at the Bodensee/Lake Constance and it was just amazing. We had perfect weather and it was like floating. I flew with a helicpter before, but the NT was a completely different level.
@frzstat
@frzstat 2 года назад
The new fleet of Goodyear airships are Zeppelin NT
@m3vm3
@m3vm3 9 месяцев назад
The wow factor of airships, comes from it being a mega structure seemingly suspended in air making minimal disturbance. and the disappointment is finding that there isn't a cabin for people in that huge space being taken up, but that its instead, just air.
@williamgwyntreharne9966
@williamgwyntreharne9966 8 месяцев назад
I don't yet see airships getting round the crosswinds problem. As one commenter has said we could use air compressors to take weight on board. We also need propellors that can turn through 360 degrees.
@tidepoolclipper8657
@tidepoolclipper8657 2 года назад
If people wanted slower travel from one landmass to another, people would rather just use a cruise liner or a ferry. Blimps and Zeppelins won't see a surge in passenger service for a very long time. However, they could prove valuable for lifting cargo to specific sites that are difficult to access via other means; if they could fix the issue with wind direction.
@user-uy1rg8td1v
@user-uy1rg8td1v 2 года назад
Cruise liners can't fly low and slow over rain forests, waterfalls, and mountains. Airships would be great for eco-tourism among other things.
@ivanostellato9478
@ivanostellato9478 Год назад
inside the middle of an air ship is zero g ... you can make a second inner middle skin with air or cargo if surrounded by pressurized float skin with more voluem
@pradiparasidi8444
@pradiparasidi8444 2 года назад
This could work really well well in Indonesian and coastal Southeast Asia and the Pacific (Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, Papua) where the provinces are separated by large bodies of ocean.
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