One of the dark sides of the Rebel Alliance was the type of Rebel cell. If an Imperial was taken prisoner, that depends on what type of cell that took you. There are some Rebel groups that will not take prisoners. For example, the Free Ryloth Movement killed every Imperial they found, even if they were unarmed. Some cells will torture you and then kill you.
@@luulasmene7786 that isn't right bro. It will only justify when Vader, Death Troopers, shadow troopers, and stormconmandos slaughter them. Mon Mothma was right, you have to be different than your enemies if you want to achieve peace. Otherwise the cycle of hate and murder will continue
There’s also the story of TK-462, who lost his sister to the hands of rebels stealing from his farm. They attempted to steal air scrubbers from his family, and when it failed, his sister was crushed to death under them.
That’s the thing about rebellions. Often the reason people join a faction isn’t based on belief or anything deep but rather joining the faction opposed to the one that hurt you or your people/family
Yup. It’s just a cycle of revenge. Nothing to do with good and bad. Merely my tribe trying to survive and be dominant and being involved in a reciprocal battle of revenge and dominance with your tribe. Rebels are little fucks just like the empire. It’s just that the empire are the guys in control. So the underdogs are always rooted for because they’re the “disadvantaged” group.
"Good people, remarkable people are killed meaninglessly. That's war, and that's terrorism. The sin of wars and terrorism, in the end, comes down to that." - Yang Wenli
Sadly people like Luthens assistant r needed to keep the cause going and to keep people in check and to do things that r sadly needed for certain types of missions sadly.
@@Kolokommouna true I only say sadly is due to those type of people willing to sacrifice anyone and anything even if that person is an ally but u r right it is necessary and unfortunate.
It’s the dark truth of the Alliance. The heroic freedom fighters we seen in the movies managed to get there, no small thanks to the people like the Partizans. The ones who’s willing to cross any bridge,commit any crime and kill anyone in the name of Victory.
Andor is really good, and it makes me wish there was a mich greater variety in the star wars shows we have. Gritty war dramas, adventure shows, horror specials. The star wars universe can host them all, not just «the mandalorian-esque».
I think this new year (when Im writing this comment) their going to focus on expanding their current show in the early year. Then later on they will add new shows.
I think the darkest moment was when the rebels threatened to kill the commander’s wife and son. It shows that they were ready to kill two defenceless civilians just to get what they wanted done.
I'd say it was less of a dark hidden truth and more of a brutal reality. The Rebels were always going to have to commit questionable things because they had no choice if they wanted to win, the difference between the Rebels and the Partisans was morality where the Rebels always tried to preserve them while the Partisans sacrificed them to achieve goals. There was no rule playing, especially as the Empire was not going to play by the rules under Palpatine. In fact, those that did try to play by the rules in the Empire and be genuinely good people who wanted to bring order were often fucked over because of many in the Imperials upper ranks and even below, hence why so many just decided to join the Rebels. Really you could make a parallel video looking at the good members of the Empire and how they were screwed over by their own ranks because they didn't want to do atrocities, didn't want to commit violence, disliked the criminal corruption that existed within the ranks, and etc. The Empire did promise peace, order, and security but often delivered on the opposite.
With hindsight (imagine having this written a year ago), it represents Ukrainians, they do the best they can, and they try to be a better person than the Russian prisoner, but there is hatred and passion. War is not a game, it's a prison.
There’s a story about normal farmer boy who just wanted to live his life until a bunch of rebels killed his family and taking his family’s food for their war effort. Overcome with grief, rage and hatred he joined the storm trooper corps to kill rebels he later died to a rebel girl child soldier. He laugh in irony he and the child are the same.
One kind of rebellion I haven't seen before, but would be really interesting is a rebellion against Palpatine, not to restore democracy, but to depose him so that he could be replaced with a trustworthy and compassionate emperor. A rebellion that is firmly against the Rebel Alliance, anti-Palpatine, but not necessarily anti-Empire. I imagine their tactics would be more covert and focused on espionage and assassination to get results than guerilla warfare and revolution, a "shadow war"; and it's members would be thousands of double-agent stormtroopers, army and navy officers, ISB and intelligence officers, and such.
The comics are doing a big saga focusing on Crimson Dawn (from Solo) with Qira trying to stop the Sith. You should give it a look. Her methods actually tick most of the things you mentioned.
The irony of all is that when you stop to think about it, whether or not you say you did the right thing in the end there will still be a backlash that you still didn't take into account. Or sometimes even though you might be doing something great, there will be always someone working behind the scenes that exploits you.
The Rebel Alliance was facing the strongest military might that the Galaxy has ever seen, and there are no doubt that many Rebel Cells were more akin to Terrorists rather than the freedom fighters.
While that was probably true, the Rebel Alliance was formed from the groups that at least publicly rejected that sort of behavior. The Partisan Front and others were never officially in the Rebel Alliance because they were more like Terrorists than Freedom Fighters.
I was going to say this as well. No doubt many rebellions, carried out by well-meaning people who were fighting a just war, still ended up themselves doing objectionable things.
Look at fury in where the ss officer was executed just for being ss, there is also story of American national guard unit commiting war crime and patton brushed it under carpet He told them to kill them all
For me, it Rogue one is the only Star Wars movie that Disney has made that didn’t leave me pissed. They really dropped with ball with the sequel trilogy, it was just so jammed packed full of stupid stuff, and rehashed plots from the original that I didn’t even like the fan service stuff. I mean visually the movies are awesome, but they felt like the Indiana Jones crystal skull movie, all fluff and crazy impossible stuff, way too much fan service way too little story. What little story there was completely betrayed the movies that had come before.
Andor shows you the true colors and reality of a war. Good isn't always good, and bad isn't always bad. You've always seen the shades of grey. The Empire weren't all bad or crazy zealots of Palpatine. Take a look at Mayfield. Dude was an ex-sniper for the Empire but he was in it like it was supposed to be, a job. Many stormtroopers and officers were just regular people working for the Empire. And the Rebels weren't all Luke Skywalkers or Leias, many joined them because they didn't like the Empire, but just because you just don't like the Empire, it doesn't make you a good person. In Rogue One, Andor himself explains that many people in the Rebellion were spies, and assassins, and by the looks of Andor Episode 6, many rebels were probably also kidnappers, kidnapping kids or family of important Imperial officers and using them as bait.
Now to be fair, the destruction of the Second Death Star was truly a terrible thing, because of something Randall from the movie Clerks pointed out about it. Randall: The first Death Star was manned by the Imperial Army. The only people on board were Stormtroopers, Dignitaries, Imperials. So when they blew it up, no problem, evil is punished. The second time around it wasn't even done being built yet it was still under construction. So a construction job of that magnitude would require a hell of a lot more manpower than the Imperial Army had to offer. I'll bet they brought independent contractors in on that thing; plumbers, aluminum siders, roofers. In order to get it built quickly and quietly they'd hire anybody that could do the job. You think the average Sstoormtrooper knows how to install a toilet main. All they know is killing in white uniforms. Dante: All right, so they bring in independent contractors, why are you so upset at its destruction? Randall: All those innocent contractors brought in to do the job are killed. Casualties in a war they had nothing to do with.
The death of those conscripted or hired to build a war machine is tragic, but the war machine must be stopped. It's a clear cut, understandable and moral aim in winning a war. Destroy the other side's massive, terrifying, planet-destroying weapon. To not have done so when they believed they had a chance would have meant planets worth of civilian deaths, many times those working on building the weapon. It's not a kind choice to make, but it is a necessary one.
@@FairbrookWingates One of many necessary evils doubt done during the Galactic Civil War. Still, I would hope the more morally good and kind Rebel leaders would at least send condolences to the families and friends of the innocent they killed, maybe even a gift basket.
Yes, please list them, in both legends & canon. Also, after that, various forms of infighting, primarily within the Galactic Empire & Rebel Alliance (I remember some from playing the PC Flight Sims _TIE Fighter_ & _X-Wing Alliance_ )…
Wonder how many Skeens eventually turned into Han Solos by the end... Must've been more then just him or they'd NOT lasted long enough to not only get strong enough but ALSO powerful enough basically nothing the Empire had left could stop them. In a few things, even Saw at the end wasn't willing to go too far.
@@justnoob8141 he started out as a "Skeen", "skine" or whatever his name was too... BUT he turned out to be more noble then let on in the end. BUT he was ALSO upfront about his original "selfishness" an being in it for himself with the rest of the Rebels he'd met from the start... Ironic since he ultimately came back an was critical in the Original Death Star's destruction backing up Luke when he needed such support most. Which ALSO if memory serves was before Vader made it personal for Han torturing and imprisoning him once or twice far as I'm, or think I'd known anyways, aware. Even more funny seeing as ultimately he'd become a VERY key and important Rebel leader an perhaps even one the few Rebels capable of taking on even some the most elite and deadliest enemies the Empire could throw at someone and STILL possibly escape or even win. Which leads some to speculation that he was perhaps a little bit Force Sensitive too perhaps an no one was left to really catch it. Least no one around that'd dare try an such
@@justnoob8141 Han Solo was a smuggler that just cared for himself, or at least that's what he wanted to be seen like. Of course his origin movie and ANH shows you that deep down he was a good guy. But many rebels were Han Solos that didn't give a damn about anybody else besides themselves. To quote Solo: "Look, I ain't in this for your revolution, and I'm not in it for you, Princess. I expect to be well paid. I'm in it for the money"
This was an interesting video for you to make, it's very rare the dark side of the Rebellion is explored, just like the light side of the Empire is rarely explored. On the subject of the Death Star, one point I've argued is that the Rebels should have infiltrated it to liberate the POWs (because I highly doubt Leia was the only POW the Empire had on the Death Star), ensure minimum casualties, and execute high profile Imperial officers before destroying the Death Star. Sure, it would be risky, but it would have at least showed the Rebels were better than the Empire, and maybe even cause some Imperials to change sides. Also, unrelated to the Rebellion, both the Destruction of Alderaan and the destruction of the DS-01 (official designation for the first Death Star) were Tarkin's fault.
Don't forget a lot of actual criminals joined the Rebel Alliance or were employed by them. The Empire to a degree tolerated certain criminal activity (better the devil you know then the one you don't) but didn't want the criminals to be so powerful inside the Empire that they could overtly takeover the Empire.
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I would like to this channel show us the Imperials who are actually good people and believe in the Empire because of the traumas they received from the Clones Wars.
No side in any war is composed simply of angels fighting for a cause, there are also the rogues, the devils and the bloodthirsty butchers also making use of said fight to service their own diverse goals and motives.
Legends, but the worst thing a supposed "hero" ever did was destroying Cardia with the Suncrusher. The fact the perpetrator never answered for his planetcide just because he was Force-sensitive proved the Rebels were just as willing to tolerate the worst of crimes just because it was done by someone they considered one of their own. At least Tarkin blew up with the Death Star.
Tower of God is a good series if you want to see an example of a rebel faction that has long fallen to corruption, scheming and violence of violence's sake.
Just to be clear. This video mischaracterizes Andor. He isn't part of the Rebellion yet. He was a hired hand. He shot Skeem because he revealed his true self, someone untrustworthy. If he was willing to steal the money, then he's also willing to take the money by force, and worse yet, sell the team out to the Empire. He forced Andor's hand, and was killed.
Geetsly: "Just because a cause is good, doesn't mean that bad people won't use it a cover for their own purposes." Me: I wouldn't call some of these guys "bad" per se. They're just better at charging through bureaucratic bull$#!t, and using blasters to burn down anyone who gets in the way.
I honestly think ruthless tactics against a ruthless regime aren’t necessarily evil. To a certain existent I really do think the ends did justify the means. The empire was a police state with eyes everywhere, leave no witnesses and provoke over reaction wherever possible. Obviously don’t resort to civilian targets but if an imperial loyalists is a threat, eliminating that threat is worth it.
That's the sad truth about serving and protecting the greater good. One day, you're just chilling on a one-week break while helping out family, friends, and maybe even a faithful and loving significant other, and in the other, you're leading a shadow ops taskforce whilst blatantly *pacifying* an otherwise fanatical yet unprepared Multiversal terrorist hate group by any merciless fashion available, all for the cause of eliminating them via karmic justice and necessity (and the slight bias of helping out friends... what with, hmm, them being a queer couple about to be assassinated by said group). (Interesting that Moff Panaka lives in Legends and vanishes from history later on, yet has a lasting demise in the Alt-universe.)
Well, that is life sometimes. You do at least try to take some prisoners through right? As much as I love karmic justice, it doesn't always have to mean the cold-blooded murder of everyone in the group. (Interesting indeed. He was probably one of the more reasonable Moffs and one of the Militarists who had legitimate and good reasons to want more weapons and an army. After all, his planet was invaded and nearly conquered and the Republic could do little to help at the time, so it makes sense he would be for an army and more military control to ensure this doesn't happen again).
The only conflicting opinions people should have on Saw are how he should be dealt with. He's like Kyp Duran to me, an edgy "hero" who they went a little too hard with, At least saw has a few good appearances... Kyp is just a bad character
Honestly, there's no such thing as good guys in war. Everyone sacrifices something and principle is often the first casualty, followed closely by the soul of everyone involved.
Unrelated but something I noticed is that Nemik before he dies in the ship he was telling Cassian to climb, which is the one of the things K2 said before he died. Literally in the exact words too, not “ Climb Now “ just “ Climb “
I'd much rather be a Mandalorian, it would suck to be in the Empire or the Rebels. At least the Mandalorians were kinda independent and forged their own path.
There are no rules in war and the rules sre made by the winners of the last war. The rules make you fight there way , the way they have more experience in , the way that gives them the best chance to win again. The way that best suits there military.
Andor actually makes you think whether who you consider are the "good" or "bad" guys. For me no one is good, actually everyone is kinda bad. It's the grey/neutral point. The Rebels were happy of using kids as hostages for their own personal benefit. And the Empire approved Martial law on every planet of the Galaxy, having Stormtroopers wrongfully arrest citizens, (a clear example of abuse of power) and even having sadistic K2 Droids choke you.
@@neofulcrum5013 true I’m not saying the rebels didn’t mean too kill innocent people but with war innocent people die , but the empire is far worse then the rebels.
Eh still, while I am a fan of the Galactic Republic in the Clone Wars, I feel it should be pointed out at least the Rebellion-most of the time-had to do dirty stuff. Everybody else didn’t have to go extra though. We already know full well all the horrific stuff Count Dooku and Emperor Palpatine pushed their soldiers and followers to do in the Separatist Alliance and the Galactic Empire. Hell, the Separatist Alliance basically is the Rebel Alliance gone evil, or corporate. But in Canon, it is the Galactic Republic which starts construction on the Death Star and they still keep a clone trooper military instead of replacing them with regular soldiers like what the Empire did. There still were times the Jedi and Clones were forced to do morally questionable things since the Separatists are the worst war criminals, with the exception of the Empire and Sith who far surpass them. And we know a lot of the policies and the war itself was supposed to scare people into giving power to Palpatine. Still, the Death Star has to be considered overkill. Even if the Separatists were building one, the Jedi if they knew about it would argue to just attack the construction site and also the many projects involved in it. Why waste money building a weapon of war for a conflict that might end before it’s done? Unfortunately, probably for the same reasons the Empire kept building it: To use fear to keep anybody from causing trouble, seceding, or rising up again. Now that isn’t to say I don’t want to see the dark side of the Rebellion. It’s basically been the only Canon faction to not be taken through the ringer. We’ve even seen corruption and incompetence plague the Galactic Republic and the New Republic. Still, as much as I like to drag the Rebellion to the same level as everybody else, they at least had no choice. They were dealing with a faction that made superweapons as much as the Separatists before them.
How different is Skeen to a young Solo? I’m sure a young Solo would have bolted with all those credits? I think we all agree Solo turned out alright in the end?
The fact folk have conflicted opinions on saw is litteraly just because the vast majority of civies have no clue what rebellion, war and guerrilla warefare is
You could argue at times han was a self serving opertunist and leia calls him out on it a lot as he falls for her inba new hope and even on hoth. which makes sense tha his son has is own goals in the 1st order times and you didn't really need a crystal ball understand that. I would say even most didn't like the empire and 1st order but it was far worse and wide spread due to the power of the empire.
As much as we want to see the rebels as the heroes they arnt, the rebel alliance was made up as terrorist smugglers and criminals. The rebels were forced to recruit these scum because they were the desperate and selfish. The rebels killed thousands of storm troopers who were nothing but civilians of the empire who chose to become soldiers to support their families and their homes. The rebels has no qualms with killing people who were imperial citizens as the rebels were so blinded by their so called “freedom” they did not see a grey area your either an imperial or a rebel and imperials no matter how innocent were seen as guilty. At the end of the day the rebels were terrorist and criminals and although the empire had some cruel actions like alderan they were doing it for a safe and controlled galaxy where every species and planet could have a fair chance and a job. The rebels failed to achieve this as after the battle of Endor the rebels failed to keep order and many planets that were prosperous were run by bounty hunters assassins and warlords. The rebels did not save the galaxy, they only caused it to become more divided.
F*CKING. FINALLY!!!. Finally they represent the rebels in their true colors, now for stormtroopers being badass killing machines. Too bad the show aint as successful, but thats what you get for dividing the fandom for years.
@this city is really looks like a city and people doing whatever they want to under the guise of "freedom" any better? Committing crimes, slavery, and generally making lives miserable?
How many ads do you need in one video? I love this channel but the ads are honestly getting to be too much. I really hope you consider less ads in the future, since it's hard to stay immersed in a video when it's interrupted for an ad for tic toc.
This is not the rebel Alliance that George Lucas created the rebel Alliance that George created was a symbol of hope they didn't tie up hostages and point blasters at the back of children's heads
