How Apple ProRAW Changed DNG For Everyone

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Apple ProRAW existed as a bit of a mystery, not much was said in terms of what it actually is and how it works. Holding firm to the fact that understanding your tools will help you make better use of it, I set off on an adventure to learn all I can about it!
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@jan-hendrikbussmann4644 3 года назад

This was a joy to watch. Even though it is a highly theoretical discussion of a software feature, it was very easy to follow and the conversation style worked great for this. Thank you very much for the effort! Nerd hat off to you, sir.

@chiranjeevgorur7867 2 года назад

Just a week back I purchased iPhone 13 pro max and this is the only video on proraw on RU-vid that was massively informative. Thank you 🙏

@CollectedLight1 2 года назад

One of the most informative videos I've seen on ProRaw. Detailed, well-presented, and clear. Thank you.

@dantevincenzo1144 3 года назад

The way that rack in the background of you talking perfectly lines up with the right end of the image area is so satisfying! And, of course, the actual content of the video isn’t of any lesser quality than your framing. Keep it up!

@stephenelderphoto 2 года назад

I realise this video is a few months old but I just bought an iPhone 13 Pro Max and had already downloaded the Halide trial. This video is one of the most interesting videos I’ve seen on RU-vid and certainly contains the most (useable) information on ProRaw I have found. Thanks so much for a thoroughly researched and well presented video and for the extra tips on using Halide. Absolutely superb.

@Al.j.Vasquez 3 года назад

12:16 he's not just very well spoken, he's also honest and funny 😂

@lestereo 7 месяцев назад

That was exceptionally informative. Thank you!

@multimax304 2 года назад

Amazing video, wow! I just purchased the iPhone 13 Pro coming from the Galaxy S9+. I took a dive in ProRaw and read their article about it a few days ago, amazing how you asked just the right questions to make it even more understandable. Given that this is a deep and complex subject. Also, amazing video quality with great photo samples/comparisons!

@TheSlowNewsDay 11 месяцев назад

Ironically, your s9 had native RAW capture already (in fact, Samsung have offered it since the release of their s6, I believe).

@multimax304 11 месяцев назад

@@TheSlowNewsDay Yes! I know, they truly were ahead of its time on that matter. Had alot of fun with it!

@LewChain 3 года назад

I took a picture at midnight, in a bushy forest. You could barely see. But ProRaw with long exposure was able to show me perfect green trees and daylight looking image overall - I have never seen anything like it. I could also tell which branches were closer to me, like a depth effect, and I’m talking 50 meters distance. This was never possible on my 11 Pro, it all looked mushy; bright enough, but mushy contrast and greenish tint all over the picture. Now with 12,13 pros, the camera is simply outstanding once again. I just wish they’ll release a version that uses LCD screen, like an SE. Amoleds make my eyes hurt after a while 😞

@yuxuanhuang3523 2 года назад

Thanks for this explanation! So my understanding is Apple just did what they would do to any photo: taking multiple exposures and merging. But in the middle of the process, rather than pulling up the shadows and down the highlights for you and burning it into a 8 bit jpeg, it just creates a 12 bit image. That image is like the TIFF you get from merging a HDR in Lightroom. All the dynamic range from those shots is kept in. The only extra thing ProRAW did was to give softwares a mask that tells what it thinks should be done, but the option is still in user hands. So if I brought it into older lightroom that doesn't read the mask, I could just treat it as something like a TIFF and bring out the details manually.

@thomaswatson1995 2 года назад

I was just playing around in settings and found the proraw option! I got curious and came here, and now I don’t think I’ll ever take another photo without it being on! Thank you!!!

@MaximilianJirik 3 года назад

Ben has good taste. I can recognize the bottle from Suntory's Hibiki. It's really good. 😅 Thanks for the video and Halide! I doesnt know this app.

@autofctrl Год назад

Very useful and informative! A little too techy I thought at 1/3 into the video.. but so incredibly well explained that I was able to easily keep up. Great job!!

@misterkrispy8010 Год назад

Excellent presentation. Thank you.

@_topiece 2 года назад

Simply amazed!!! gotta re check if pro-raw setting was off. XD

@rmfeld 2 года назад

Great video! I have one question left: How can I extract the Semantic mask and make use of it (e.g. as a masking layer in PS)? Neither PS, nor Affinity Photo seem to make the information available and halide can show it but does noch seem to be able to export it.

@joshyang886 3 года назад

This world class RU-vid content! Amazing works and thank you 🙏🏼

@tehtzeyang5499 3 года назад

Are you a Malaysian and staying in Klang? Wow, it’s surprising seeing such professional and high quality RU-vidr from Malaysia

@BulanTerkenal 3 года назад

He always shoot in puchong and his studio is in cyberjaya I think..

@alexanderbocker9649 2 года назад

Great roundup! Thanks a lot!

@73ajitbagi64 3 года назад

This is great content , which you couldn't find anywhere eles , great work . Amazing 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥❤️❤️❤️

@chaochewei6213 2 года назад

The most professional information about proRaw I’ve ever seen since

@aa664_ Год назад

great video! love the details. had no idea there was that much going on under the hood. i have been shooting RAW with Canon since early 2000s and started using DNG on iPhone first with iPhone SE (the 1st SE) and have been bloating out my harddrive since :P

@justindobner1823 3 года назад

Don’t comment on RU-vid much but this video was very informational! Thank you!

@jayz1987 3 года назад

Pros talking about proraw ! Excellent video !

@TheTornadoWind 3 года назад

You are so underrated OMG

@giosanpedro 3 года назад

Google better be doing something similar if not better soon, 'coz if not, I guess it's bye-bye Pixel for me this year. This video got me excited man, thank you!

@ianharper6015 Год назад

Thank k you for a very helpful and well produced video.

@MJHiteshew 3 года назад

Best video on the subject I have seen! Excellent interview and great information.

@gambarusso 3 года назад

So glad to be alive in 2021. Thank you!

@Adrianobolado 2 года назад

such amazing vídeo, content and RU-vidr! Congrats!

@jonkers2007 Год назад

That was brilliant, thank you both!

@calvinatdrifterstudio8438 Год назад

Imagine a raw file with baked in sharpening and intense noise reduction?

@ErikStenbakken Год назад

So nerdy. SO GOOD! This stuff matters to serious shooters.

@baseldahman Год назад

That was very helpful video to watch and I will appreciate if you answer my question that I couldn’t find the answer yet I want to know how much DPI for proraw images on iPhone 12 pro I’m working on prints and I know it is 72 for the normal mode but it was not showing in the details for proraw Thank u

@sobhhi 2 года назад

finally someone explained this. thanks a lot

@harshgupta5880 3 года назад

So Informative. Great video!

@mattmathai 3 года назад

Really good, informative video. I take delivery of my iPhone 13 Pro Max today and look forward to investigating all the features.

@SworlDotBe 3 года назад

Great deep dive! In your opinion: is ProRaw a good format to edit with? I'm editing ProRaws in Lightroom that look OK with the ProRaw profile, but when you try to use sliders on top of this tone mapping (shadows, highlights), the two don't work together nicely. The overall dynamic range is even disappointing, it's hard to reduce overexposed area's for instance. A 16 bit HDR DNG made with the Lightroom app doesn't have the problem of tone mapping fighting the edit sliders, but can't benefit from Apples processing smarts (and masks). What's your take on this?

@Panagiotis-Skordilis 2 года назад

Pixelmator pro

@KaidoLP 3 года назад

Now we need a similar video about ProResRAW and BRAW

@WillJBailey 3 года назад

Great nerdy content, and well made 👍

@Yalelax 2 года назад

Thanks for this extremely informative and interesting presentation. Have you processed your ProRAW files in ACR or LR ZY?

@anupammahato1 2 года назад

Hi, does the beastcam app take pictures in RAW or DNG, i have an iphone 12 and does beast cam have a log or Flat profile thanks.

@Gubby-Man 2 года назад

20:28 We now know it's not about performance. iPhone 14 have A15 (5 core GPU) with 6GB of LPDDR4X but no ProRAW support.

@thanoo1924 2 года назад

Great stuff! Bravo, guys. Keep up the good work.

@DavidandtheQueen 3 года назад

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO ! GREAT WORK

@urbaneplanner 2 года назад

interesting video - I have been looking into the iphone 13 pros but my sense is that the proraw format is just too limiting for people who want full control over images and who don't want so much processing to occur by default

@AlexLark9 2 года назад

It would be nice to have an opportunity to turn off the noise reduction applied to ProRAW files.

@johncameron6289 3 года назад

So good. Many thanks.

@cervantes5322 2 года назад

Very detailed, thank you ! (:

@Parteum 3 года назад

Great video. Great content. Cheers!

@anton9410 2 года назад

Informative and succinct!

@iamrishio 3 года назад

Amazing and informative video. I’d be using Halide more but they don’t offer different aspect ratios like the native app does. I shoot all my photos in square and I’ve requested a non-destructive aspect-ratio overlay several times over the years - but it doesn’t look like it’s happening..

@seansull 5 месяцев назад

Such a good video!!

@hwang1607 2 года назад

Just found this channel, great content

@13Ilya47 3 года назад

Thanks for grate video!

@nnn-pr3vr 2 года назад

Iphone is by far the best bang for the buck camera you can get today, the engineering in those tiny portable cameras is unreal, and its a phone!

@mxfe 3 года назад

Best video on the subject. Thank you

@f__e__e__l__e__e__p 2 года назад

are there really such big differences between using proraw vs. jpeg or the hevc?

@grad-dd9zj 3 года назад

10:51 "...tune up to 11!" You know when your product is better then the norm... ...also: hibiki on that shelf. like it tho!

@zy_cheng 3 года назад

Haha good spot! Couldn’t take my eyes off the Hibiki either 😂

@liza807 2 года назад

@@zy_cheng hi I just bought iPhone 12 and I know it does support apple raw for iPhone 12 Pro and 13 pro but why it doesn’t have raw mode on camera on iPhone 12 and I would like to have it but don’t how can I get apple raw mode for iPhone 12 in your experience

@oliviertorres8001 3 года назад

I'm ProZY...the best for sharper explanation 🙏

@barbellsandwindmills 2 года назад

Any help? iPhone 13 Pro Max - iOS 15.5. Cannot export/Manually copy, Transfer in any way ProRAW DNG without it being downscaled to jpg.

@8lec_R 3 года назад

Yaassssss! More technical information is great... Even if it's about the company that I really dislike 😅

@thethirdcrouch 2 года назад

ohh awesome this answered a question i have about 3rd party apps

@YaGladshev 2 года назад

Super-duper! Thx🔥

@juancarlosmiranda6830 2 года назад

Awesome video

@247_sirazulmonir9 3 года назад

absolutely amazing. i hope google makes something like this for android which would be able to utilize the cameras of s21 ultra, pixel 5 etc phones

@eformance 3 года назад

I'm surprised the images don't contain a depth mask, because you know they capture that.

@toddgilbert 3 года назад

Be nice if I could find how to get the apple raw onto the computer.

@darkknightwithanidea1845 3 года назад

Great review 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🎥

@StMichealdefendus 3 года назад

So just wondering where the how to was? Maybe it’s because I’m learning haha

@theslimbin 10 месяцев назад

It’s super annoying that after all this time we still can’t turn off the tone map in light room

@suzanne3t 2 года назад

UPDATE: To see the full metadata on Mac, select a photo using the Finder's Gallery view. I'm not seeing the creator responding to latest posts, so I may be shouting into the void here…. At 4:39 (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-L9SLc7NTbeE.html) there's a screenshot of a More Info window. I cannot find this specific More Info metadata anywhere! The other screenshot in the background makes it look like the DNG was accessed in a Mac Finder. But If I do that, the Get Info doesn't look like your screen. Can you guide me through the process of how to see this data as it's shown in your video? Thanks!

@JohnBaxendale 3 года назад

Brilliant, just, brilliant.

@wyattb3138 Год назад

All my photos are ProRaw and forgot to turn it off. However, I know that some photos I wanted to have more better HDR.

@Mhadyourfriend 2 года назад

talk about ProRes pls

@JD-co4hx 2 года назад

This video makes me want to shoot ProRaw more and regret not getting a larger capacity storage iPhone.

@agoniavr 2 года назад

I've just switched from Android to an iPhone 13 Mini and, despite not being able to shoot ProRaw on my iPhone, this was super interesting! The thing is I still haven't quite grasped when it's better to use RAW and when ProRaw...I mean, if you want the full quality with the least loss of detail and most flexibility RAW is still the way to go? Or did I miss something?

@suzanne3t 2 года назад

I don't have the option to shoot an unprocessed RAW (DNG) in the 13PM. (I know you have a Mini, sorry, I'm just letting you in on this info.) ProRAW IS processed, to a certain extent. Ugh.

@agoniavr 2 года назад

@@suzanne3t ok so RAW is still the way to go if I want to get the best possible file. I was curious because there's lots of third party apps enabling RAW shooting(Moment, Halide, even Lightroom if you have the paid plan) but I was still wandering which of the two formats retained more infos.

@suzanne3t 2 года назад

@@agoniavr RAW, definitely-though Apple's new ProRAW/DNG format isn't real RAW. As far as I know, no other camera app can bypass all of Apple's computation processing features, and that means some editing flexibility is lost. I'll be doing more research on this issue. Post if you learn more!

@agoniavr 2 года назад

@@suzanne3t sure thing, and thanks for the infos so far!