How Bad Was The Hetzer? 

Maybe one cm for the HE shell if you’re lucky lol

Man I am a engineer I love the hetzer tank I made a video my DIY Hetzer tank please please check its out 🥰🥰

Why would the Hetzer preform well on the Eastern front against the Russian but not against the Western Allies? Something with the terrain or the tactical differences?

@@clevernamegotban1752 sherman frontal armor. That's a big thing

Lol. Was literally Abt to go to the comments to shit on that statistic and this was the first thing I see

Like any tank Dat isn't heavy or superheavy, roof is weak

It was the first vehicle I grinded for when I started playing WT in 2016 😄

roof and sides are hella thin.... the amount of times I've killed em with the m16 AA halftack is crazy ngl

Weak my butt. As an m4 player finding one was death. It's impossible to pen its front. It's transmission blocks shots from the lower hull

I one shot an Abrams at 600 meters with it.

kek

LOL

Based!

@@TheGrace020 ur mom

@@arnoldpinguin2982 Thank you, you too ☺

Almost like a German equivalent to the sten smg

@@razortheonethelight7303 I feel like that's an apt way to put it.

It was a nightmare for both the crew and the enemy after all as for the crew is very uncomfortable and awkward but for the enemy it’s very smol and hard to hit and pen it

@@TheJimyyy STuG was also infinitely more expensive to produce, both in terms of cost and resources. Hetzer was the anti-tank vehicle Germany needed at the time - A last-ditch vehicle that was simple and cheap to produce, which could be produced more rapidly than a STuG or a larger Jagdpanzer IV. Being effective in combat doesn't just mean your vehicle is big and scary, it also has to actually be able to accomplish its designated task.

@@TheJimyyy but the stug cannot reuse older variants of the existing tanks but hetzer was designed to reuse the outdated chassis of the 38t hence allowing them to be effective again so stug was good but it cannot preform the requirement of reusing outdated tanks

Wehrmacht: Furer, we said final drives would help us win the war, not final solutions.

The Jadgpanther didn’t really have that problem. Which is weird since the Panther always had this problem

Wehrmacht HQ, 1944: NEIN, WHAT DO YOU MEAN 'FINAL DRIVE IS THE ISSUE'? WE NEED MORE GUN, MORE ARMOUR, MORE WONDER WAFFEN

Well it was a problem on most heavy tanks of the era. From what I understand drive train problems was a big reason the US chose not to manufacture heavy tanks for most of the war despite the US having several prototypes

German steel was really crappy at the end of the war, they just did not have the right materials anymore, so they had to change the mixture of the steel alloy. This caused the steel to be very hard, which also made it really brittle. That not only caused armor plates to crack under stresses they normally would have survived if they were more elastic, but probably also caused problems with the final drives, i presume.

It’s like a E25 before it got flattened out lol

@@Windows98R Wasn't Hetzer supposed to be the name of the E-25 but ended up being used for the Jagdpanzer 38(t) instead?

right? my friends call me weird for calling it cute. It is an adorable little guy.

The Hetzer even outlived the E series. Hetzer production was meant to be cranked to the max at a time where the E series was already canceled.

@@zafranorbian757 The E-series wasn't a bad idea, it just couldn't be realized during the war.

@@Zorro9129 Yes. The follow up plan made a lot more sence though. Instead of makeing a compleatly new generation of vehicles, simply cutting down the production to the 3 essential vehicle types. That being Hetzer, Panther and Tiger II

Don't forget, the (t) means Tschechoslowakei, in english Czechoslovakia. It's a Czech based design.

@@neznambratra1714 yes and no. The Pz.30 (t) was a czech design, the Hetzer was a new design, based on 38 (t) components

YES! Finally someone.

Finally someone with brain. I hate these people who dont know about Czechoslovakia and his history

The Mareșal also inspired it.

He mentions this in the video. Not the whole thing of course but if you know the 38t then you know this.

also they developed Hetzer because their Factories couldn't build Stugs because of weigh limitations

How did he fare?

@@Pao234_ In the tank? I'm not sure to what extent did they see combat in it, if they did at all. It wasn't originally their tank actually, and him and his squad were not members of the Panzer Divisions. They were part of the Luftwaffe Field Divisions. However, they had experience with tanks, specifically an SPAA, having operated a Wirbelwind prior. They acquired the Hetzer towards the end of the battle. It was found abandoned in the battlefield, still operational, and so they recaptured it. Around this time, the Germans were retreating. My grandfather and his team were still in enemy territory, and were at risk of being captured or gunned down if they tried to make it back on foot, so they used the tank to keep themselves protected as they fell back. The armour was reliable enough to resist small arms fire, and it really helps to have a machine gun that is remote controlled. It was a life saver, and my grandfather was able to make it back across the Siegfried Line. He was quite fond of the vehicle. Towards the end of the war, he was captured by the Belgians. He would be freed shortly after the war, and lived in West Germany for a time. Unable to return to his home country of Lithuania, which was under Soviet occupation, he moved to the US, where he spent the rest of his life in. He passed away in 1997.

@@xxfalconarasxx5659 Thanks for the story!

As said in the video its not like this was horrendous or a war winning weapon (hard to really find any of those, and when you do they tend to be far less complex things than tanks or ships or whatnot, things like the proximity fuze for instance). What it really is, for the most part, is a really cool looking design. I think that is the only real reason anyone outside of historians really care about it to the point they do. Exceptions exist in all things, but as usual they are what actually proves any given rule.

@@xxfalconarasxx5659 Nice story . thank you !

At least the Ratte hasn't suffered from rushed design and sloppy production.

@@legolegs87 X D

well most of tanks of WW2 had reliability issues,. especialy those made in small batches,.... but there are pictures Soviet tanks whit "spare" transmission on back of tank,....

Every new tank introduced during the war by anyone had multiple performance issues. Every design carried out during wartime was rushed. And sloppy production wasn't limited to the Germans.

Loosing a war and having a need of new and better vehicles NOW because the enemy is closing in on your homeland tends to force your hand to be especially fast in development. Just look at the Panzer III. and Panzer IV., their design for their time was literalyl revolutionary (motorized tank turrets, tank radio, three men turrets, 5 men crew) and well the Panzer iV. is literally the onyl main vehicle of WW2 that stayedcombat effective from the begining to the end of the war, reaching its final developemeant stage only in 1944 after 5 years of frontline service. In short, the longer it takes for germany to develope a tank the more land and ressources it loses in the meantime to later on build that tank. Better have a rushed tank with as many ressources available as possible for production then basically the best tank ever with no ressources left to build it. I mean when the Hetzer entered service the soviets were literally infront of Romania, germanies main fuel supplier with its only major oil field. Cant be more pressed into action then that; no fuel and the tank is pointless.

He's just doing his take on it. Spookston is gonna spook.

lindybeige is crap

@@chair6703 cool now go back to sitting in your chair

@@nesyboi9421 He's not wrong though, Lindy and Spook are both crap.

@@ThatZenoGuy So umm Explain to me what exactly is wrong with them. Also I don't accept "spook is a furry" as an explanation, it needs to go deeper than that. *also he says he ain't but evidence points otherwise, I'll stay neutral on that topic for now

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haha damn never thought about that, but you are right :D

@@polakrodak8538 if you think that's bad, check out their banner.

But thats not the Sherman ಠ‿ಠ

@@Vodkiller76x2 You clearly meant BMP-1.

Lc/33 tankette

Dont mess with the hetz wise sherman tanker said once

@@Vodkiller76x2 he mean the ASU

Still the name is (depending on what you read) wrong. Indeed a hand full of troops did call it Hetzer and even guderian said he received a few hetzers but was shortly after that corrected that a vehicle by the name of Hetzer wasn't in production. After the war the allies fund plans for a tank from the purposed "E-Series" called Hetzer and thought it belonged to the 38t. So to summ up. A very small almost nonexistent ammount of crew called it Hetzer, Guderian was corrected by the heereswaffenamt that the Hetzer didn't exist and the 38t is a completely different vehicle and the name mainly popped up because of allied troops mixing up 3 similar designes. To quote the curator of the "Deutsches Panzermuseum Munster" (yes Munster and not Münster) : while it isn't its historically accurate name, we recognize that over the post war years the name "hetzter" developed into the calling name of the 38t, like we call the tiger or panther by their names.

hehe i was gonna comment that

Hetzer is czechoslovak tank

@@ghostcz2717 do you knpw the meaning of "inspired"

@@DerDop Yes I'm just saying that concept of that tank were before m-06

@@ghostcz2717 probably. Romanian arms industry was heavy influenced by Czech and French designs.

They seemed crappy when they drove out in front of my 17lbs guns or Fireflies. I usually went for Luftwaffe (advanced repair) or Scorcher Earth (booby traps) tactics, 4 man MP44 squads and Panther battle-group. 2 Hetzers were more expensive than 2 Panthers.

Donitz you should be more considering about U boats and their losses after 1943 May. 75% of u boats crews died.

@@niume7468 me boats?

the panzer 4 took significantly less fuel than the panther, you can get more than 3 (almost 4) panzer 4s from A to B for the same amount of fuel as a single panther. the panzer 4 design is also easier to repair and maintain, is alot more reliable (even 1945 varients which had the best panthers and the worst panzer 4s), and keeping to a single tank would have made spare parts logistics easier. as for crewing them? they could have used manpower otherwise given to infantry units (ie fewer infantry for more tanks) the 'panther cost almost as mutch as a panzer 4 and took almost the same man hours to make' argument also falls flat, the panther was 120% of the cost of a late panzer 4, you can get 6 panzer 4s for each panther and the reason why they are so close is because of the large number of hatches on the panzer 4 turrets, something planned to be reduced (but canceled due to panther), and furthermore that doesn't include development costs. while manhours are alot more different.depending on your sources you can build alittle over 2 to as high as 45 panzer 4s in the man hours of 1 panther, the higher numbers are probably inaccurate, but even the lowest numbers is still more doubling tank production in a given time, and the planned simplification would have made it even quicker. I think the debate isn't as clear-cut as 1 is automatically better than the other. both sides seem to be far too dismissive.

@@matthiuskoenig3378 neither would have mattered because there's *no fucking fuel.*

Think Guderian is the one who came up with it in his Memoirs. Presumably, this led historians to copy it and hence why it just gets accepted without challenge.

Hey speaking of which Hetzer variants had a muzzle brake? I see a whole lot of them without one and a few with them when I go looking for it on the interwebs.

@@nesyboi9421 Early production batches had muzzle brakes by default (you can find photos on the internet), but crews often removed them in the field. The reason was the muzzle brakes generated too much dust and smoke when firing, which could give away the vehicle's position. Based on this feedback, the manufacturer discontinued the muzzle brakes altogether.

17-pounder maybe?

Armour can always fail, the Jagdpanther in the german tank museum was frontally taken out by a 6pdr. What made the Hetzer great was that they had to spot and hit it in the first place.

exept the armour is so low quality a normal 75 sherman can go through it

A quick call to the nearby artillery battery lmao.

"sergeant?" "yes, private?" "Is that a line of kraut tanks over there?" "yes it is, private." "what should we do?" "let me just call in some P-47s, that'll take care of them."

In late war it was intended to be also produced in germany as the Jpz.38(d)

If I'm correct the t stands for Tschechoslowakei

​@@scruffyy111Czechoslovakawaii

it is based off the chassis. they took the chassis and widened it. then added a new superstructure.

@@matthiuskoenig3378 So there is another plate behind the slopped one ??

@@besoindunpseudo4144 Chassis does not mean taking the entire hull mate. It means having the same suspension components, largely the same drive train and having some of the elements of the hull, like a mostly shared floor

@@matthiuskoenig3378 If they changed the superstructure then it isn’t the same chassis, It simply used the same parts.

In normal wot you can still use 105mm :-D

@@mirromarnicco3162 I know, but they gutted blitz’s vehicles for reasons I can’t figure out. They removed gun options from some tanks, and deleted others altogether.

Yes it is, completely

yeah, even with thermals, bushes can take you more time to identify the enemy tank

Well we already know the answer. Its yes.

Especially on either Heavy tanks with very pertuculer weak spots or light tanks you cannot see as 4 bushes can hade the entire thing

I will play coh in holidays. And wt too. There is a cool eastern Front Mod.

PzIv were used by Syria in the Golan Heights, 1973.

indeed,official combat reports would confirm that

They loved it and they hated it

@@wolf310ii Initially, they did have issues with it, but after modifications were completed on the vehicle, they loved it.

@@samson9535 The issues they hated were never solved, cramped workplace, weak side armor, death trap, poor sight outside especialty to the right side.

@@wolf310ii Fine. Whatever you say.

Still did its Job.....and had an impressive "Kill to Loss ratio".....for a Stop-gag Ambush-hunter.

That's WoT(horrible game btw). The map is Plzeň and it's that "Škoda" factory that germans used to construct Hetzers. The P38(t) is a Czech tank and Hetzer is based on it. The (t) in the name stands for Czechoslovakia(in german Tschechoslowakei).

i.imgur.com/AXtFSpZ.png

@@Spookston 100mm isn't a centimeter tho, it's 10cm Edit: 100mm would be a decimeter, which would be 10 centimeters

@@colossusqw3632 Yeah 10 cm or 1 dm, but Spookston is from the U.S. so it’s understandable to make a small error like that.

@@Spookston Thats 10cm, not 1.

@@Spookston And...it's got a pen of 106mm...that's 10.6cm at 100m. 1cm = 10mm...

Lol WW2's version of top attack

Btw it was all ours, they just stole it from us, but finally someone with brain

@@AnonymPLOX3 yes

@@AnonymPLOX3 and the Czechoslovak army had more soldiers than today's Russia. sad that France and Britain betrayed us

Allahuakbar

@ where funny

I think it's one of the best vehicles during ww2 imo

Tiger II was the best tank also KV-2

The StuG was beloved by its crews, especually the G version with the allround cupola for the commander, giving excelent visability and situational awareness.

No stug g and hetzter perform evenly well

@@dave_sic1365 issue with the StuG III G I feel is everyone already knows where to shoot it

@@Mystic-Midnight yes but that's the problem with any German tank. You can just click anywhere or they have giant weak spots

@@dave_sic1365 I mean not really, The Hetzer has a lot less Weakspots than a StuG III. A Panther also has harder to hit Weakspots than a Pz IV cause Pz IV's and IIIs are just kinda point and click but everything else actually takes some general knowledge.

@ can't agree more to that

Lol

Apparently, the side armor was supposed to be able to resist Soviet anti-tank rifles and was designed with that in mind. It's questionable whether that goal was worth reducing the crew's efficiency by making them so cramped.

but fielding untested and design flawed tanks didnt helped them either... Panther was overengineered.. it was not supposed to be that heavy.. it was originally designed as 35ton vehicle.. Hitler demanded stronger armor, and it completely ruined the tank and they were unable to fix it thorough the whole war...

Also better than trying to man & horse handle an AT gun. I think of these as mobile AT guns and then they make sense. Compare them to tanks and the Hetzer loses out of course but tactically and operationally that 's the wrong comparison to make.

Stay hull down I think it's amazing

@@dave_sic1365 yeah idk, I just don't see the use, if you think it's amazing, Im cool with that

Depends on the game mode. Hetzer is very good in realistic and absolutely awesome in simulator.

@@unclesam5733 yes it's a beast in Sim

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@@polakrodak8538 "StOlEn CoMmEnT" Cry some more please

Dude it's also a quote comment, it's made to quote something, that means it's not stolen lmao 🤡🤡

@@somerandomdude6394 You know what the most stolen comment is? You'll never guess it. "Stolen Comment" I see that more then anything else, LMAO

@@JustAnotherRandomPersonOnline too true mate, too true

And hurting his crew lol. But I don’t blame Air support too much it’s not like he knew he crit and took a track . Could of very well been about to die. I’ve took a second better pass over a brawl only to see the friendly was dead. It’s just nice seeing people actually getting bomb kills vs taking a fighter out and peppering tanks that are already spotted all the while the actual bombers are being shot out the sky.

@@dustyak79 I definitely agree I would rather have my kill taken so I can move onto another tank than possibly die. Also you never know if you might be saving a teammate