@@boardsfl9249 Savitar is an example of a casual loop meaning that for him to exist, certain events must happen. Savitar kills Iris, then years later barry creates time remnants to stop him. Savitar kills all of them but one. That one that he didn’t kill goes way back in time so it can become savitar and then the whole loop will start again
@@boardsfl9249 the reason he needs to kill Iris is becasue it will casue barry to create the time remnants, then one of those time remnants will go back in time to become savitar, the savitar throughout season 3
i always wished that it had been Eddie thawne that was savitar, the argument to his creation could be the speed force absorbed him to protect the timeline from a major timeline cataclysm (from season 1's finale) and he was slowly driven crazy by the thoughts about the characters throughout season 1. To me it would have worked better instead of the strange timey wimey explanation they gave and now they can't do future barry as a villain like he was in the comics which is sad
My theory is that it all started with Barry creating a time remnant to deal with something else a completely different enemy and he succeeded. But then they start treating the time remnant badly and then the time remnant became savitar and took the place of that unknown enemy. Killing all time remnants but himself and from here the closed loop starts
@@lacienciadericardo721yes probably not on purpose but Iris stayed with the original Barry and I’m pretty sure they treated the regular Barry better bc he’s the original
@@JadenFromYT Yes, but team flash would never treat a remnant as trash or as disposable. They even cared a lot about about the remnant at the end of season 2.
xZWxMacman god. He came first. Well that’s my belief. So a question like that has a logical answer of that god created the chicken first (like Adam and Eve) and therefore started a cycle known as reproduction.
The show never really answered this question: How did Savitar first appear and begin the time loop in the first place? I have a few theories about that, though. Barry could have fought an enemy in the future that required him to make time remnants, and one of them happened to live, realize he was just being used as a tool, and escaped into the speed force, where he would think about the mistakes he made in his life, which would cause him to become Savitar. Another possibility is that the time remnant Barry made to fight Zoom somehow survived after Barry created flashpoint and somewhat returned back from flashpoint, and that time remnant became Savitar. Another possibility is that the original future flash faced an enemy that took everyone who he loved away from him, and he became so broken that he tried to fix his mistakes, but in doing so, he became Savitar.
I think Savitar came first, and I think originally the first Savitar wasn't a time remnant of Barry because in order for it to be a time remnant of Barry he would've had to have fought Savitar before but since this is the first Savitar Barry hasn't encounted him yet and hasn't created any time remnants yet. So Savitar was Originally not a time remnant of Barry but once Barry created time remnants to fight him, and once Savitar had died and the time remnant that was left had been shunned by Barry and Team Flash, thats when the Time remnant decided to become Savitar and the loop began and Savitar became a time remnant of Barry.
The future flash created a time remnant to kill Savitar, but savitar then kills the flash and let‘s the time remnant alive, so that the time remnant can become savitar, savitar himself said that he was a time remnant and team flash didn‘t accept him because the real Flash died, so he becomes savitar :)
I can't be the only one that remembered that his future self said savitar destroyed most of the time remnants, MOST. NOT all. He said, "He killed them all, mostly." So flash wasn't listening or didn't notice that part.
I'm sure every viewer missed that small detail too n we later realised that future flash also gave the slight hint that not all remnants were killed and that atleast 1 lived
Cool theory. The thing I've always hated about time travel is that there is always a time period where everyone and everything goes back to normal. Which basically makes it a cannon fodder of roller coaster emotions when your favorite character does and some deep and cool shit happens only to find out that it didn't matter because everything resets.
If he actually went in time and created the legend of the god of movement it means, one of his followers gave max mercury his powers somewhere , that’s pretty sick
the remnant barry created against died and ended in Speedforce like all speedsters but when Barry created Flashpoint the speed force made it the og Savitar just to force barry to destroy the Flashpoint but Savitar still exists because speedforce is outside time and space so it ended up creating the loop
1:11 now after watching season 9 eddie thawne back from dead and going to ask for help i am convinced that team flash didnt liked this flash time remnant so he became savitar.
Whenever flash made a time remnant it disappeared when the timeline it came from becomes rewritten. How this one stayed round after things changed is what makes NO SENSE!
Things didnt change though, Savitar slaughtered all the other remnants and let 1 live.. the 1 that would become him. So that particular remnants timeline was still intact
Osuman M. A remnant can directly sacrifice them self like that final fight w zoom. but by changing events that would lead to them needing to come back to fix things in the first, they disappear from existence. But only after that change. Not necessarily “random” at least Thts how I understood it
larnizzo91 Whenever a time remnant was made and change the timeline, it doesn't disappear unless it dies. Like when Zoom made his time remnants to fuck with Barry after killing his dad, he kept killing them. Plus nothing did change anyway in the Savitar timeline because the loop always continued after Iris's death.
hey but why they've never brought up the fact that Barry can live for thousands of years? Like Thawne said that they've been enemies for ages and Thawne himself is from ~1000 years from the future and Barry can still kick his ass then. Savitar was first mentioned thousands of years ago and he didn't seem to age at all. Okay, maybe it's the suit that was keeping him from aging at all but still... Even though Legends got a message from older Barry, so he can't live forever but maybe just much longer than the average human. Btw Wells in season 1 mentioned that we can't be really sure how long Barry might live and no one even payed attension to it....
One really interesting thing that the Flash teaches to its viewers is that there is always a Yin and Yang to life; there's us, and then there's our inner evil counter part that is created from regret and causes you to do more regretful stuff. Zoom knew this, and I think that's why he wanted Katelyn to be loyal to him, (because he knew Killer Frost was inside her and thus his only weakness.) He also wanted Barry to kill his time remnant during their fight and give into anger, perhaps to create Savitar in his own way. The moment we stop suppressing our inner self, it immediately comes up and takes over. Bipolar people have phases where their inner selves surface at random times, but according to the flash, with enough corruption to a person, it only becomes a game of Time before evil takes over....which means applying that to humanity...it's only a matter of time before evil spills the death of the human race...COUGH Trump's red button.
Im confused now. Future Barry said that he created time remanites to stop savitar but savitar slaughtered all of them but one which was himself. Is it me who does not understand or is it the CW not realizing their mistake their.
It's what Cisco said at the end: It's a closed loop. I think that phenomenon has a name. In Doctor Who there was a similar problem: Imagine a person goes back in time to give himself a clue about something. The future person claims, that he had that idea, because when he was present person, he got a visit from himself. So where did the idea come from?
I think Savitar came first, and I think originally the first Savitar wasn't a time remnant of Barry because in order for it to be a time remnant of Barry he would've had to have fought Savitar before but since this is the first Savitar Barry hasn't encounted him yet and hasn't created any time remnants yet. So Savitar was Originally not a time remnant of Barry but once Barry created time remnants to fight him, and once Savitar had died and the time remnant that was left had been shunned by Barry and Team Flash, thats when the Time remnant decided to become Savitar and the loop began and Savitar became a time remnant of Barry.
After iris dies in the future and Barry makes multiple time renmants Savitar kills all of them but one so when Barry and team flash beat savitar the time renmant will become savitar because he was shunned by team flash it’s a close loop no beginning and no end and the only way to stop savitar was to stop him from killing iris
Simon Willis Barry in the future created another time remnant which instead of dying actually survived. So then there were 2 Barry Allen's, but team flash shunned the time remnant because he wasn't the "real" Barry. Then the time remnant became Savitar. That's why Savitar hates Barry and team flash, because they hated him first
even the directors were confused themselves too. i heard in an interview that they still can't fully explain how he existed throughout time, but also was created.
MasterMike 000 na because future Barry eventually beats savitar by locking him in the speed force but if he decided not to make anytime time remnants it would change the outcome of the battle and he might die instead of surviving the fight since he didn't make any time remnants as back up.
Budendy Legentus Scientists have been theorising that the past, presence and future isn't linear nor is 'cause and effect'. The future can affect the past and presence as well.
ENERGON_PRODUCTIONS could be anyone.... There are (according to me to savitars at a given point in timeline) one of them Is trapped in speed force (probably the original one)..and the other is the tr created by Barry to fight him.. Who fails to kill him and thus Is shunned and he gets angry and takes the suit for. Himseld
Savitar is an example of a casual loop meaning that for him to exist, certain events must happen. Savitar kills Iris, then years later barry creates time remnants to stop him. Savitar kills all of them but one. That one that he didn’t kill goes way back in time so it can become savitar and then the whole loop will start again
Why treat him like crap? Couldn’t everybody just treat him like they treat Barry and if people ask they’ll say he’s Barry’s brother or best friend lookalike?
