How Bayonetta’s Specialists Pushed Her To New Heights

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In a Super Smash Bros. Ultimate meta where Steve and Kazuya are running amok, Bayonetta was the star of the show for one weekend. At Lost Tech City, Lima placed 3rd, with Bloom4Eva winning Vienna Challengers Arena 2022. They both pushed Bayonetta's meta to a whole new level in their own way, and today we cover the differences between how they approach the character.
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@l.n.3372 Год назад

Considering that I always enjoyed how flashy Bayonetta was in Smash 4, I'm glad that she's far more balanced in this game so I don't have to worry about cheering for her while she was OP. It also helps that many consider her to be a mid tier, before Bloom and Lima started pulling good results. Cheering for the underdog mid tier is always fun as well.

@fourniervictor9354 Год назад

The only downside I have with bayo is that many of her moves look somewhat similar especially side B and up B which are the most used moves. So when she goes for ladder combos, you feel like you are watching the smae move being spammed for 10 seconds. At 2:10 I like how it is expressed, the string look guarantied but are dependant on SDI and because of the moves' design, you can't see it appreciate it fully when watching them play.

@KevSB07 Год назад

@@fourniervictor9354 I disagree. The moves have the same style of particle effects, but none of them look the same. Especially since all of her moves do different things. I mean, her specials go in completely different directions, sound different, and have different knockback, and her aerials are all unique

@KevSB07 Год назад

@@fourniervictor9354 that kind of criticism is something I’ve heard for Min Min, but that’s more justified since she legitimately has huge overlaps between her moves, entirely consisting of forward punches and nair

@renatoramos8834 Год назад

The game cheats against her. She is only decent now because of a ton of band aid "fixes" she got.

@echospace7347 Год назад

She’s high tier lololol

@worldsboss Год назад

4:40 for real though, that play was sick

@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569 Год назад

I hate Ultimate Bayo with a passion, and even I will admit that play was a cool use of Bayo's tool kit.

@MrMelonGuyDude Год назад

@@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569 still better than g&w

@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569 Год назад

@@MrMelonGuyDude Not going to disagree with you there. I only said that I hate her with a passion, not that she's my least favorite character to fight

@Spyder-Marth Год назад

@@MrMelonGuyDude G&W is atrocious. I can't believe he's this good lol.

@willycheez7218 Год назад

@@MrMelonGuyDude Lmao no G&W is way less cringe than her

@Kahmie Год назад

Lima’s been an actual genius since smash 4 it’s just hard to tell because you didn’t have to be as good as Lima to win with bayo.

@10Bendog Год назад

I’m so happy I am witnessing the Bayonetta Renaissance in Ultimate. Keep up the great work, Lima and Bloom!!

@luischeco3009 Год назад

Bloom4Eva & Lima winning with Bayo is such good PR since Bayonetta 3 is right around the corner. "Right on time." As Bayonetta would say.

@LUMRei Год назад

The editing in this video is absolutely beautiful

@AndreiChawicz Год назад

Love to see Bayonetta doing well in ultimate ❤

@LForegel Год назад

The analysis on this is great!

@JakeSm4sh Год назад

I’ve been waiting for this since last week. I'm surprised at how well these two play an almost forgotten character.

@sham_noway Год назад

who is this brit in my pgstats video and why is his voice so good 🤨🤨🤨

@miner1226 Год назад

I know right. It’s so calming

@skuttler1796 Год назад

NutRoast, an English commentator :)

@sham_noway Год назад

@@skuttler1796 knew it was my goat,, ive met him irl hes so lovely

@kayokoala410 Год назад

That duel screen double KO edit in the first 30 seconds was so clean

@RoryRenee24 Год назад

As Tweek mentioned in his podcast Bayo is also very anti-META, she beats or goes even with every popular character right now besides Aegis. Kazuya Steve Minmin Sonic Wario Rob Palu ZSS Roy, etc she either shits on or goes even. Like she randomly does good against almost every top tier. The characters that used to demolish Bayo like Olimar, Pichu, GW, Snake, have all become unpopular or underrepresented. Bayo is also just like a hard MU check. You have to play really good grounded neutral to avoid ABK and also be patient due to witch time/reversals and know the quirks of her moves. She's bizarre and annoying to fight.

@Spyder-Marth Год назад

Bayo players are everywhere on Elite Smash, now. She's definitely anti-Meta

@thistamndypo Год назад

Bayo struggles against being camped and Sonic is the king of camping

@RoryRenee24 Год назад

@@thistamndypo The sonic MU is even. The thing is bayo hates getting camped but she also has amazing camping; shes very hard to catch. So with sonic/joker you get the lead and run away and camp and they lose, and vise versa. its just whoever gets the lead first; so most top bayos believe its even. According to Marss Bayo is like very high tier if she has the lead, because she cant approach/has no neutral; but her punish game is broken, so camping via a lead forces the opponent to come to you so she can abuse punishing and avoid approaching

@kjgrizzly11 Год назад

@@RoryRenee24 Update: as of last week, Lima thinks Sonic is one of her worst matchups

@alicon852 Год назад

4:12 as someone who both mains bayonetta and loves her games this edit made me squeal like a kid on christmas IT'S SO GOOD Edit: they use it multiple times I want to kiss the editor

@Hendrixicks Год назад

Get this guy to do all the narration!! Way better than the rest!!

@jalucaru Год назад

nah

@defscanvas7633 Год назад

Thatcomona does a pretty good job too. Id love to see both narrators be regulars for prstats videos!

@ados1280 Год назад

I've been saying for a while now that Bayo is a good character. After the buffs of course. But so many people doubted the character. Glad to see Lima going to stuff again.

@verfuncht Год назад

Bloom was the one to win a major

@ados1280 Год назад

@@verfuncht I wasn't comparing the two. Lima is from my region and I've barely seen him go to anything recently so I'm just happy to see him going to stuff again.

@survivorofthecurse717 Год назад

Look, idk about saying Bayo is "good" because "good" leave a lot of room. Good could be usable. Good could mean broken. There could be many levels, but no one would know. I wouldn't say Bayo is as good as let's say falco, falcon, Wario, or other characters like that, but she's usable. Without a doubt, they earned the good praise they got rm

@Crackhog Год назад

It's really the players that are good, not the character

@Spyder-Marth Год назад

Right when another Bayonetta 3 trailer got released, too.

@SomeoneWeird-vx5jx Год назад

Who is doing the voiceover, it sounds amazing!

@damarihanson3876 Год назад

Yooo we got Nutroast on the voice over?? Let's fucking goooo

@dkvizco9823 Год назад

Also lima take 2nd placed at first attack recently

@gmwes Год назад

nutroast has such a cool voice, please bring him back

@kayceecomix Год назад

5:20 this through me off soo much, thought it was an ad 😂

@carlos41519 Год назад

I just wish they didnt lower the witch time effect at higher percents but its not too bad now

@thehuman2cs715 Год назад

I always thought Bayo still had a lot of potential, even if she's not as saucy as in Smash 4

@kennythekid130 Год назад

When are you gonna drop the aMSa video?

@DauntlessBlade___ Год назад

4:12 This entire segment just looks so sick

@FRuMMaGe Год назад

My brother in Christ, where is the amsa video?

@willycheez7218 Год назад

I can definitely see one coming

@amphicyon4359 Год назад

5:25 Jumpscared the hell outta me lol

@Daramgaria Год назад

so happy to get nutroast on this he was a natural :) hope u guys enjoyed the analysis on this !! was a pleasure to write another video

@leacwm Год назад

Nutroast on pgstats? awesome

@elpescao7116 Год назад

Is there actually not gonna be a First Attack video?… damn :,(

@ew275x Год назад

Well thismis the only good news regarding Bayonetta today.

@letstalkfiction5187 Год назад

Bayo hasn’t been this good since the smash 4 era

@MrHockeyboy2000 Год назад

PG stats X Top Gear

@joshiboy9157 Год назад

Nice

@qwerandroxt7477 Год назад

They made Bayonetta cool what the fuck

@The0-2DemonKing Год назад

I haven't seen the video yet so I'm going to list my opinions first then edit in a response. Bayonetta"s recent success is stems from one reason I don't think can be denied. It might even have her show up on people's top 20s later on if the meta develops and that reason is: Bayonetta's Weighted MU spread went up. Correct me if I'm wrong but Bayo wins against Steve, Kazuya, Rob, and Aegis right? She can escape air tight combos, has decent mobility, and probably commits war crimes on characters like Rob with a big hurtbox and Aegis who have less recovery resources than Little Mac. They've gotten more popular and likely to run in bracket hence why Bayo's WMU scale has increased favorably. Lemme watch and see if I was close and comment below if you want to add anything or correct me on Bayo's matchup spread. Edit: Oh. It's a playstyle comparison vid. Whoops, but hey, I am glad they're making this a regular thing. Honestly, this does bring up a wrench: While Bayonetta's WMU scale is getting higher, it means nothing when as they said, it takes a character specialist to main her, and those are few and far between. So even if the meta favors Bayonetta, it means nothing if the number of players can't rise to effectively shift the meta in a place where now people have to counterpick her to make a new meta entirely, which was my hope.

@luischeco3009 Год назад

I see and I agree. It's both. If people were able to pick up Bayo in Sm4sh, then it won't be that hard in Ultimate. Look at how hard Kazuya and Steve are. They are hard to master. So they powercrept the meta even though we knew they was gonna be crazy. Who's to say that can't happen to Bayonetta again?

@luischeco3009 Год назад

Bayonetta and Ike are the same. (Funny considering I main both) Ike came into the meta blazing on the back of MKLeo, and perception of him was considered High or Low-Top Tier. After the meta learned how to deal with him, he went into Mid Tier where he truly belongs. Bayonetta is doing this now. While nobody is going THAT far with her, people are beginning to believe she is better than what they had thought before. Whether this is a one off thing or not, we'll see. Either way, love to see it.

@The0-2DemonKing Год назад

@@luischeco3009 I get what you mean but Bayo has one thing going against her: The Stigma. Take Pikachu for instance: People refuse to main him religiously like unless you're Esam who's been mailing him from Day 1, you can't touch Pika out of principle

@allanasifuina896 10 месяцев назад

she kind struggle against aegis but she can give them a good fight, is a -1 MU in my opinion, but yeah kazuya, steve and rob suffer against her, at least that's how i feel it as a bayo main

@user-lq4ct6dr5m Год назад

The absolute redemption arc for Lima, from the person who ruined EVO to carrying Bayo on his back

@Ari.1460 Год назад

TheMightyDialga solos these jits

@verronnesze Год назад

True

@sumpyori Год назад

aMSa video when?? and please use one of the good commentators for it

@greedo194 Год назад

The commentators are all great

@kyallon1213 Год назад

More nutroast voiceovers PLEASE

@kemmypaws Год назад

every bayo ive met has caused me mental ptsd from the players humliatig me to the dreadful match up

@nightraven9978 Год назад

It is dreadful? what character do you play?

@LimaBayo Год назад

@pgstats Год назад

you

@caoinhnamkhanh2795 Год назад

@@pgstats him

@wisteqs6644 Год назад

This guy

@hillaryclintonsleftboob2143 Год назад

"Bl-uu-d4eva

@RileyNiko Год назад

When the

@nathanlevesque7812 Год назад

"majors"

@hughsmiley9230 Год назад

Let’s go nutroast

@eliott9508 Год назад

being constructive here, no hate, i think the commentator could tune it down a little bit. the emphasis on the words was a lot for me, felt like he was spitting the words at me especially during the intro. otherwise fantastic vid:)

@plabcentral630 Год назад

Guys a Brit. Gotta learn how they talk mate

@Kerrmunism Год назад

Agreed. Like his voice but it feels a bit overkill with the delivery at points.

@greedo194 Год назад

That's just how many brits talk bro

@imaok10 Год назад

bayonetta is not a mid tier. always has been a very viable character and always had great tools

@imaok10 Год назад

wish she was a mid tier tho 👀

@nightraven9978 Год назад

@@imaok10 " always has been a very viable character and always had great tools" not always bayo became a character in update 8.0 when min min came out as she got buffs that made her strengths actually work but before 8.0 she was a low or even a bottom tier