How big can cities get? 

Thanks! I know you've also played your fair share of SimCity 2k. Any thoughts on how Arco's might be developed in the future? And how tall self-sufficient cities within cities would impact their surrounding neighborhoods?

Federal Republic of Somalia is a countey on the horn of Africa! Why, then are you using a map that shows Somalia divided? You're pushing politics! How would you like me to cut up your country?

Thanks for another awesome video! I’m a nebula viewer and just wanted to suggest cutting the ad for nebula in your nebula version. We’re already there after all.

Want more video about dhaka. It’s probably the worst in the world

I feel like it’s not wise to place so many eggs in one basket. Wouldn’t that alarm urban planner at the national level of the high security risks from possible natural disasters, disease outbreaks, man-made pollutions & nuclear explosions that would easily wipe out hundred millions people. I prefer Germany model where urban areas are spread out evenly all over the countries.

Population control by starvation and hard labor.

Dear Leader, I heard some elevators don't work so people have to walk up 7+ floors of stairs to home.

Thank you kim

Its the exercise initiative not dysfunctional elavators

@@timmmahhhh booooo! You just ruined it.

Australian cities are very congested though, so the difference in every day life between a city of 100 million and an Australian city of 2-5 million isn’t as massive as you’d think.

@@KhanPiesseONE i can't imagine an Aussie city's congestion being comparable to that of a 200m population city. It might seem congested in Sydney and Melbourne, but relatively they're not that bad compared to Asian cities.

Me, huh... An Indian living in a rural village with 25000 population. 👍 I probably am not kidding

Damn, I live in the Australia biggest city Sydney and that's considered small

4 milion

I think it's known as the Blue Banana Megalopolis

I agree that it is kinda a single urban area because i travel a lot everyday across theses region 🤷‍♂️ i live in Lille France, go shop by metro in Belgium, and take a fast train to visit my parents every weekend, a 30 minutes trips away on the coast 🤷‍♂️ so it clearly feels like a short trip

@@MrMaxbout And in North America.....You ain't going anywhere if you don't have a car

@@shermanfirefly5410 yeah i know that 😅 it's awfull 😅 for example from my parents to my house i have 2hours by car because of traffic sometimes 3 if crazy traffic but when I take the high speed train, 5€ the trip, and 30 minutes later i'm at home 🤷‍♂️ i really don't understand why America don't implement that, it's just way better than driving and i clearly hate driving 😂🤣

@@MrMaxbout lmao it used to be 30 minutes by car to the nearest train/metro station in my old city (in Canada)

RU-vid is Ban in china right? How'd you guys use then?

​@@SuleymanAydin980 VPNs certainly😂

3k hours? that's like 2 games

@@OrviC tru

69420k hours

Man I wanna have civ 6 but I don’t have a PS4 or a good pc

What would 60 population be converted from civ 6

If we can inscrees efficiency, minimize noize levels. Run all sort of processes using cleaner energy tech. Get more green spaces it the city without sacrificing density. And do all that at reasonable price. Than we can get bigger cities. But look at the trend of remote working. And communications are only getting cheaper with advancements ICs. So you do not have to live in a large city to have a good quality of life. Basically if cities will be worse places to live their capacity will be naturally limited by demand.

precisely. in my city the plan is "15 min walking communities".

I live in the middle of an old European city and just walks everywhere. (Bristol England)

Would also allow for denser cities

That does not help, but pushed to its logical conclusion the fix implies that most people would have to get their job within no more than a ten to twenty kilometre radius from their family home, and that kinda defeats the diversity of job opportunities argument for cities that would grow well beyond that size.

Recently China opened the world's longest Maglev service, between Beijing & Tanjin - the commute time used to be 3-4 hours, it's now 30 Min, with services every 5 Min.

@@davidarundel6187 it’s far faster to get to the city and places all over the country by train where I live instead of driving (my country is very small, being slightly smaller than Catalonia of Spain) because of the amount of money pumped into the train services so here I am at age 23 with no car and quite happy. The only time I can imagine it being annoying is if I wanted to go camping and I couldn’t really bring everything on the train. I’ll learn to drive at some point but right now train travel is the way to go to for me

@@Aithis. like you, I live in a small country, close to opposite, to Catalonia. Our roads, are not as well funded as Europe, nor do we have Europe's population. Yet our governments over my lifetime, have reduced passenger services, to two, city's commuter services. It used to have in the 1970's, out of one station, each day, over 30 long distance services, other major towns & city's, were served, with multiple, long distance services. Now, there's two tourist trains, one runs alternate days ( this line, had in excess of twenty, services, running off one third of the line - junctions for other areas took just over two thirds of the traffic. Now, it's either Bus, or Fly. If one owns a car, the roads, are often clogged, on a daily basis. Our largest city, used to take 1 hour to get from the most northern, to the most southern edge of the city, now, even with more lanes installed, travel time has doubled - none of the local transport is reasonably priced, as the WEF, decided that we, must have services profitable, or loose them. We lost & now use, used carridges , for long distance trains, hauled by Chinese locos, which have always breaken down - like the larger locos brought last century, 'preloved' from South Africa.

Then there's Staten Island. In general, I'd say the Manhattan-centric model currently employed is okay on its own, but a real detriment in the grand scheme of things. The rules surrounding JFK's AirTrain when it was constructed have hampered its usefulness as public transportation, while Cuomo's pet project for LaGuardia only highlights his political posturing (and if Hochul really is reconsidering alternatives, said pet project may actually be off the table).

These giant mega cities are more like large areas where the landscape is "Urban," rather than a single, unified community. When it's big enough, you need more than one core, a few large urban areas in the world have multiple cores like that, Including Tokyo, and the North Rhine Area.

He's too chill to go around copyright striking people.

trademark em

Fans from Indonesia

Gigacity

should have been for a billion people

I got tons of girls every day in shanghai

@@fugueguy1929 But half of those are bots or catfishes trying to drain your juicy foreigner money.

Driss only 5% was bots and I look chinese (partly chinese) so most girls was pretty and real.

@Harkaran Lakhotra well that’s the fun of being on tinder!

“You ran out of swipes for today”

lmao Cities Skylines player

@Martin Matthew Joy Then there's only one explanation... ASIA GOT EARLY ACCESS TO CITIES: SKYLINES 2.0

81 tiles makes around 18x18km square in the game which is actually equivelant of a medium sized city.

@Martin Matthew Joy yeah, it would be interesting and fun to see those numbers in game, but we all know Cities Skylines has a road network and buildings limits so maybe in the next city building game we will make way bigger cities.

If you think about it 81 tiles in C:S is not that big compared to real life cities. In the case of Buenos Aires in Argentina it would be the city center plus the dock area, and not much more, which is like 25% of the entire city, and Buenos Aires is a very small city compared to others lol

I don’t understand this argument. China’s mega cities are already super crowded and population is going to decline in China soon. They are also becoming richer so they are fewer Chinese who are willing to live in small tightly packed homes like Java.

@@Homer-OJ-Simpson 1) It’s not an argument? 2) I was talking about the planned super cities, like the Beijing-Tianjin combo, which would include massive suburban regions. 3) What do Chinese demographics and migration have to do with Java?

@@fernbedek6302 Beijing Taijin need lots of more people to close those gaps. China’s population is dropping soon and there are fewer rural people to bring in than there was 10-30 years ago. And people of China are raising their standards of living meaning they won’t live in tight housing like java. I probably misunderstood you on Java. I thought you were arguing Beijing area would or could see massive growth and you were pointing to java to demonstrate how packed people can live

@@Homer-OJ-Simpson I’m not the one coming up with the Beijing-Tianjin megalopolis idea, so that’s not really a relevant point to my comment? And I think you’re definitely misunderstanding, because the demographics of China are of minimal relevance to a future Indonesian megalopolis.

@@Homer-OJ-Simpson Keep in mind that the richer districts are still near city centers like much of the world. So Chinese people getting richer simply means they will compete for closer housing. It's younger people who end up in the suburbs.

Lol yeah, yeah...one day.

Oklahoma isnt a state its a place made up by establishment republicans to hold rallies propegated by fake news fox

Unless you mean Texas Number 2

Only to be conurbated by greater Amarillo.

@@CB0408 Lol amarillo is growing in the EXACT opposite direction because nobody wants to live any closer to Oklahoma than we already do

Interesting

Ngl I like the idea of city-states.

Singapore?

@@aerithofmyore but with Vietnam's population

@@planefan082 I dont

Yup, Greater Tokyo is already the size of Poland, so I know what you feel. (In terms of population obviously.)

And Canada, the 2nd largest country by area in the world :p.

then you have Norway, 5 million people. Oslo is about 1million. A LOT of cities around the world has a population of more than 5mill.

There are tons of cities that are larger than the population of my country (Macedonia, 2 Million).

@Царь Батюшка This is hardly enough evidence to suggest this is happening everywhere, Russia is just one country.

LMFAO

Transportation maybe? If you are talking like commuting 4-5 hours on average then it seems they are not sort of a "single" urban area.

In Jakarta, the only limitation is government regulation that provide incentives for decentralization

I think geography has a big influence on it, eventually cities run up against terrain that makes it difficult to get transportation and fresh water in to the city.

I think the limitation is one of governance. You can have an urban area of up to a billion people. But at some point you are unable to control it without delegating core functions to lower levels of government. At that point, you’re no longer one area. But that is also semantics as arguably that is just the split between urban and regional/national governments as well.

I think there was a mismatch at 0:21 - it says "Jakarta, Indonesia" but at 1:58 the same picture is used for Karachi. I live around Jakarta and I don't recognize the landscape in the picture either (Jakarta is largely flat and devoid of any large open space closer to the coast, plus the coastline is just straight with a slight curve to it), so I presume it is actually Karachi and not Jakarta being shown.

it's only because you have the luxury of living in the US. outside the West, only cities with more than 10 million pop would be considered worthy of having cultures and events.

@@musAKulture But in the future, as his comment states, those countries could have much more developed economies that could make mid-sized cities more desirable for cultural institutions than they are currently.

yeah

The winters can suck but other than that I love Minneapolis

@@hiphipjorge5755 Meanwhile in Singapore: Can't devolve when your country's the size of a city

Hahaha love it when you do that in your vids! Keep up the great work man!

A part of the US that is more than 17 percent of the entire US population with somewhere around 50 million people which owns less than 2 percent of the land

Mr. Beat compare San Diego and Tijuana

It’s spelt “Coruscant”, also there are other city planets in Star Wars such as Nar Shaddar and Hosnian Prime.

Also it would realistically be limited by the amount of heat it would create with +1T people living, working and moving through the city. At a certain point, the cost of pumping the heat out (incredibly difficult) would surpass the benefits of having that many people in one city compared with living in orbit around the planet.

@Javier Suárez - The BORG from Star Trek tought me siomilar, just far more efficient, every flat has the size of a standing bed ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7txo8OfYONA.html ( @ 3min 33sec )

The problem is that we dont have hundreds of planets to import food to earth

If the entire city is a planet, the air quality would be 💩 or worse...☣☢⚠️

Where is that

Same happened with the Phoenix, AZ area. I live in Scottsdale, but travel to Tempe for school and to Phoenix for fun and other stuff. There’s like a dozen individual cities that make up the metro region here (Phoenix, Scottsdale, Mesa, Tempe, Glendale, Chandler, Gilbert, and many more)

Fredericksburg Virginia is like that. The actual independent city is only 10.5sqmi with a population of about 30,000 people, however the "Greater Fredericksburg Area" (what most people mean when they say they're from Fredericksburg) covers decent chunks of 4 counties, atleast 9 zip codes and has close to 340,000 people living in it.

Most cities if not all in the US did this exact same thing.

Lemme guess New Delhi NCR? National capital region.

Damn! Was gonna visit in April this year but oh well

No wonder why I'm so confused, I don't even remember we have a huge lake.. lmao

So that’s why it looked like Istanbul. By the way Istanbul is beautiful.

lol i wondered how jakarta looks like that when it's not even looks like that at all

🥰And 1:21 and 2:02? Isn't that also Istanbul instead of Nagoya? 🤩

Someone crunched the number and as it turned out that’s actually very low population density. Even with population density decreasing as you descent into the lower levels 3 trillion won’t fill up a city thousands of floor tall

@@Peizxcv nice

@@Peizxcv I saw a video on this from Issac Arthur his video on ecumenopolis

I think a city spanning a planet is called an “Ecumenopolis”.

Coruscant's population is just over 1 trillion, m8.

they all ready merge, people works and travel for one city to the other, more than 16 million lives in the combined metro area bro

In the pre-car era that was probably true of many of history’s largest cities. Rome in the classical era with 1 million people was probably an undertaking to cross. Plus, if people thousands of kilometres apart, living in totally different environments, can share a sense of national identity, surely people a few hundred could share a similar sense of urban identity?

That's kinda how it is with New York right now with it's boroughs

event current bigger cities have that. some people might not move out of a borough or two that in them selves are big enough to function as a town with in. the question is if you are outside of the mega city and talk to someone do you identify your self as someone of said city or a part of said city? . if that other person is from outside of that mega city and they ask where do you live? do you give them the name of the mega city or the area you live with in? even now someone living in New York City do in the city you may refer to a borough bit do they do that to someone from outside of New York City?

@@fernbedek6302 modern era Rome is probably worse.... Pretty often people that live on one side of the city but study/work on the other just move there because commuting would take way too long

I'm from Austin and that's kinda how it is with the North/South divide.

Ba sing se was basically the Tokyo of ATLA

@@neiandresamuels5428 No actually. Ba Sing Se was designed to resemble Bejing ame the forbidden city. Size wise, maybe. But otherwise, no.

@@josheydubs It also feels closer to New York around the turn of the 20th century in how it's represented

@@woollypidgeon1948nah that’s Republic city

Delhi is currently the 5th built-up area of the world with 30,58 M inhabitants. You're right, it ll be soon conurbated with Sonipat and then Meerut to reach 35M in less than 10 years, for the other ones I don't think so. Maybe sooner, Mumbai with Pune and already, the biggest coastal built-up area from Kozhikode to Kochi and Thiruvanathapuram largely being conurbated yet when you see the Google Maps aerial views!

Not only Delhi But Mumbai MMR with Pune Greater Chennai+Bangalore megalopolis is also possible

@Vijay Raghavan What???

Working from home might be a solution for that

And Manhattan only has what? 6 million people or so? Now imagine these 60-100 million person cities and living there.

Eventually, there won't be anyone left to live in the rural areas.

Birth rate of China low and population will decline. Lots of people already have moved into mega cities. There are fewer people in the rest of China to move into the mega cities so therefore it stands to reason that these mega cities will likely not turn into gigacities or whatever he called the 100m plus city

@@Homer-OJ-Simpson at the very least not in China

The Chinese mega cities could continue to grow even if the population does not. Much of the physical growth in the developed world is suburban; people taking up more built space than previously. If the Chinese move from small apartments to large detached houses the physical size of Chinese cites will obviously increase. The population density would decrease, but the city’s footprint would grow. In fact, even a small increase in the built area of housing, multiplied by millions of residents, would lead to huge physical growth of the city’s built form. One of the greatest differences between cities in the developed world compared to the developing world is m^2 of housing per resident. Poor people in India live in small and crowded homes compared to wealthy people in NewYork. I think the ratio is something like 6:1.

That's probably what you think it would be but in China the agricultural devices is getting more industrialized some organized so farmers in the rule area are moving to big cities soon the big cities are getting larger and larger and small cities are declining.

I think that would be too expensive ti build

@@xmrun If we assume a block is 200*200m, then assuming bridges every 100m which are 20m long, we'd need 4*200+12*10=800+120=920m worth of raised walkable surface per block. If you can afford a 1km pedestrian bridge, you could afford to add a layer to a block. As a bonus feature, this would reduce the need to deal with crossing roads with cars on them. Let the car drivers get stuck in traffic.

@@xmrun Sounds like hell as someone who's afraid of heights

If you enjoy living in permanent darkness then this is a possibility.

@@KarryKarryKarry Why would you have permanent darkness? If you've got bridges every 100m, there's still plenty of space for light to get down. Doubly so if buildings have that stepped design where they get narrower as they go up, which would pull in the walkway and lengthen the bridges.

Oh, we have transportation... just not clean, adequate, on-time transportation.

Yah we can thank the auto and tire industry for that

You can exclude New Yorkers

@@thomasgrabkowski8283 I've never really associated new york city transit with being clean, on time, or fast. I wonder why 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

@@ku1 at least it works, unlike other American cities

Not necessary. It's way easier to avoid true social interaction in large cities than in small or medium. But if the person has a specific fear of crowds, it's worse indeed.

@@randomavenger3048 Yeah, you can be someone who's an extremely social person yet completely hate crowds.

​@@randomavenger3048 Yep, it's easier to disappear in a house party of 100 people than one with only 20 people. The fewer people in the room the more attention is on you.

you can find plenty of places to hide in a big city; in a small town, there's nowhere to hide; everyone knows everyone.

​@@musAKulture I lived in a huge city, with millions of inhabitants, but I lived in small city (5 thounsand people), and that's true.

Mumbay "built-up" area (continiously urbanized) is "only" 19,73 M inhabitants because Vasai-Virar, Kalyan, Ulashnagar and Ambernath are not conurbated yet. Pune with Pimpri-Chinwad and suburban communities is 6,9 M inhabitants.

@@francoisperrot4890 how long until pune and Mumbai merge together With the metro and other developments it'll only get more crowded I guess, so it's clear the satellite cities will house huge migration rates and also maybe will reach upto Pune

São Paulo is already the biggest megacity in the Americas. It’s even the largest in the Western Hemisphere, there are only 3 larger cities in the world, all in Asia: Tokyo, Jakarta and Shanghai.

Where are you from?

That’s where public transport is key. If there’s a high enough density of people, and mixed-use zoning, then you can likely walk to everything you need!

i've been to all three. id say pearl river definitely has the best chance at it. most parts of shanghai is honestly just farmland; suzhou and hangzhou are full of mountains and lakes on the outskirts; the real "URBAN" parts aren't that big. shenzhen, guangzhou, foshan, zhongshan, zhuhai, dongguan are completely different beasts.

The Pearl River "built-up" area (continuously built) already includes Guangzhou (but Conghua district), Shenzhen, Dongguan and part of Zhongshan, Jiangmen, Huizhou, Zhuhai and Macao with 53,4 M inhabitants ! it's cuurently the first in the world followed by Shanghai-Suzhou-Wuxi-Changzhou.

But with the right policy and technology you can expand that limit. At their peak, the Roman Empire had about 70 million people. That is about 2 Tokyos and not much bigger than the UK is today.

It mostly came down to a general dislike of entrepreneurs and “creative destruction” in allowing people to come up with their own companies to make things better. The other huge problem was having a class of people doing no labor who relied on the slaves

The Roman policies of always having to conquer new territories to pay off aristocrats put a very finite limit to it’s expansion. The policy was never changed and resulted in the demise of Rome.

@@KarryKarryKarry Same for capitalism. The concept of neverending expansionism and the lack of awareness about self-sustaining practices can put an end to it. The planet's resources aren't infinite.

Without mask. Normal

Also these are well connected with each other with trains and metros

Its called the Delhi NCR Region

it's actually a lot easier than one might think. i want to go to a mall on foot, and i want to go to a different mall every couple of days. not gonna happen outside megalopolises. also, i need diversity in my cuisine, in my interactions, in building business relationships. i've also tried for 30 years to understand how people can bear with the distance, the boredom, and the lack of choice and diversity in rural regions. either way, agree to disagree and really we are all different individuals with different needs and tastes.

Its istanbul he made a mistake

It's istanbul

exactly. the chinese regions experience this exact same problem; people speaking near-mutually-unintelligible dialects, had historical conflicts, not to mention the admin systems...

The entire us population or at least most of it in one city...

Maybe one day the Bos-Wash megalopolis will merge with the Piedmont Atlantic (Atlanta, Carolinas) megalopolis.

@@OutboundShane and we can call it east coast megalopolis

You're totally right for Guangzhou built-up area (not including HK not conurbated yet) but the 2nd is now Shanghai-Suzhou-Wuxi-Changzhou with more than 41,7M whereas Tokyo is "only" 40,82 M.

Imagine putting two cities, one at each of the mouths of the Delaware and Chesapeake Bays and calling them Gotham City and Metropolis? You'd sell so many condos, and commercial places would love to be in the same city as Wayne Industries or the Daily Planet.

Nah just expand Navi MUMBAI and Thane . Like Delhi NCR

nah not possible , fill palghar , raigad and thane district first

yea but for only 50 years. Don't u see the plan is for 2050? There will no longer be one country two systems this fucking shit policy anymore.

Well considering that the Chinese are trying to make HK and Macau part of China China in the future this will probably change

Well you are right that Schengen Area is freer than the current Pearl Delta. However, the sad reality is that HK, Macau and Chinese government are trying to integrate HK and Macau population into Chinese population by wiping HK and Macau culture. Once it's finished, free movement will definitely be allowed and the currency will definitely be merged. Then the megacity will be formed.

@@icantcomeupwithagoodusername Fun fact: Hongkong and Macau are a part of China Both of them are officially returned to China by portuguese and Britain

Yes, unfortunately China will absorb HK and Macau and subjugate both under the brutal rule of the communist regime. Sad day for democracy and people’s liberties, which will be inevitably lost when that happens

CHAOS.

thats what i was thinking

To make it more dramatic, I guess

Then why is 10 million the cutoff for a mega city? Mega means 1 million in the standard number scale

because we need something to convey the message not be technically accurate.

10 million is a megacity, even though mega- means 1 million, not 10 million so giga- in gigacity probably won't mean 1 billion There's a similar problem with structures. supertall structures are 300m or more but megatall is 600m or more, even though mega- doesnt mean 600

Good point with Austrian affordable housing, but forget the hyperpoop. Regular underground metros would instead actually work. With an average speed of ~100 mph, those would still get you from Beijing to Tianjin in only an hour. No need to endanger commuters in a vacuum tube when a regular tube is well proven and reliable

@@eltaninshrdlu2925 Hell, there is already an intercity HSR between Beijing and Tianjin. No need to wait for Elon Musk's bullshit "Fucking Magic" that's really just there to starve funding for HSRs and sell Tesla cars.

Maglev all the way man or high speed train for traveling between megacities

*Ted Kaczynski

Americans already living in dystopia

True

Add drinking at izakayas/karaoke and visiting lovehotels/soaplands and you'll get typical Tokyo salarymans' life...