How Brazil Got Its Sci-Fi Dystopia Right 

Weird, I always thought the implication was that the security apparatus was itself perpetuating the bombings to keep people in line and the state pumping along.

Absolutely brilliant, I hadn't seen that and have seen the film more times than I care to mention, actually nowhere do you actually see any terrorists and that is an astute and excellent observation. A bit like the fake war in 1984 or dare I say it ha, wait for it,yes, and I will be censored; COV-ID where you will actually need ID to show you have or have not been vaccinated or are immune to this new CoV; SARS 2.0.

Theomite Also they dress in 1940s clothings symbolic the conservative nature obsession of the good old days of Terry Gilliam Brazil society show there are no creative mind and lack human expression causing everyone to dehumanize themselves further and the only limited liberty is distracted keep watching old movies for eternity.

Theomite i guess

Theomite maybe

When there is lack of possibility, then all that's possible seemingly is impossible and inconceivable. The continual fight of the present against the past's dim view of future optionality.

Our world is just as oppressive as Brazil, but it is covered up by a complicit media. The January 6th protestors are still in jail, some of them for decades, for what amounted to trespassing.

I think it's because the real world is mixture of 1984 & the Brave New World. BNW is where the apathy comes from.

When I first heard the term "banality of evil" I immediately thought of this movie

Yes ! English humor at it's best XD

It could also be a nice little reference to the plot. Helpman (head of the ministry of information) gets her name wrong, just like the ministry got buttle's name wrong. Jack doesn't correct helpman even though he knows he's wrong, like how he says nothing about buttle and tuttle being mixed up. He got the right man.

I watched it when I was kid in the 80s (hopefully the one and only TV channel in Greece broadcasted movies like this!) and it left me with a feeling of nostalgia. I assume that if you work for the CS you get one of those cool cars (the only good thing you can get from them).

Terry Gilliam's American .

One of my favorite lines in the movie is "How are the twins?" "Oh, it's triplets now" "Really? How time flies" (I'm sure I butchered the quote). I always just thought that line was a silly bit of surrealism. But since you mention the thing with the wife's name, now I'm thinking that the movie is implying someone acquired an extra child because of a bureaucratic mistake, which is way more brilliant.

Honestly didn't even know this movie existed till I seen him talk about it in a different video. After watching it was like how the hell did I not know about it. Definitely underrated.

So,so underrated.this movie is the greatest thing ever made and I want the tune playing at my funeral.what could be better.

Y’all just be saying anything Brazil is considered to be one of the best films of the 80s and one of the best sci fi flicks ever

sodiepopper Is this true or a joke?

sodiepopper wasn't it Winston' s address in 1984?

Apartment 6, 27B Canonbury Square, Islington London was indeed George Orwell's address .. I think Winston Smith lived in Victory Towers

sea pea Oh, I thought it was Winston's room number.

I hope you have attained all proper clearances to express an opinion here at this corporate web-address. I'm a bit of a stickler for paperwork, you see.

João Aguiar Fake.

João Aguiar Yeah tortured some comunists

I belIeve one also should look into Brasil's flag "ordem e progresso". This National motto is a quote from Auguste Comte, considered as a/the founding father of Sociology. I believe Brazil is one of the greatest movies of modern times (seriously!), anyone who like it should look into the history of the so called "social sciences"...and also watch "The meaning of life", Guilliam's second best movie

@@mrchampipi6278 agreed.

prob a lot don't, so thanks for the historical reminder, of real dystopias

Anyone else bothered that the heroine of that movie was named Jupiter? "Jupiter", the most masculine, patriarchal Greek god of all time. That's like having a boy and naming them Tinkerbell.

Here's hope the Don Quixote movie will be good.

And "Jupiter" comes from "deus pater" which literally means "sky/heavenly/god father".

Its odd to me that its finally getting made. I wonder if its going to use any of the footage shot w/ Depp from forever ago

Mila Kunis makes the reference immediately after she's met Terry Gilliam himself, as the bureaucratic hacker.

I think the most chilling thing is that the people who torture him are more or less very friendly with him throughout the film. They don't really enjoy torturing him, but if the papers say they have to do it then they do it without questioning it. Personal relationships and feelings are completely ignored in that situation. Like many other dystopian stories made in the "plastic age", Brazil shows the world as a very cold place. I suppose it's not that far from the truth.

Yes... not that similar, and the credit line is overwhelmed because of covid

Hola! Soy porteña también y Brazil también es mi película también! Che qué coincidencia!

No u

nice, but in terms of film, a character needs to have motivations to be compelling

Thanks for clearing it up, I found the movie boring AF, but I did see the indifferent system that couldn't care less if you were innocent or not.

There is an obvious issue here, that an unthinking cog is not an interesting character. That is part of the problem I have with Orwell's writing in general, his characters serve to show off the world, and as such the role they have to play severely limits their ability to develop as a character. It's really shooting yourself in the foot as far as writing goes. I understand that Brazil is supposed to be a pastiche of 1984, so that explains why the character development here is also inadequate.

I think the trick is to not think of them as individual characters but rather a collective entity. The bureaucracy itself is a single character, the antagonist, with multiple actors playing parts of it.

Anthony Burgess wrote some good essays on the subject. I believe Orwell even wanted to call the novel '1948' but the censors wouldn't let him.

In what way?

Do you have a sense of humour? Don't mind answering, it was a rhetorical question.

Raziel No i mean, its kinda accurate.. But depends on what way you see it. I was just curious, you dont need to mad man. Aliás, tú é br?

Well, I said I'm from Brazil in my first comment, so yeah, I'm "HueHue BR BR". Not very proud of it, though.

Raziel Yep, not very proud. I tought you were from the us but was joking when you said your comment was a joke (even tho its accurate) XD

It's not the real place that's Sam's idealisation of escape, it's the Brazil in the old song "Brazil" that gets repeated through the film.

You are a brazilian and you don't know that in 1985 the "military dictatorship" actually ended. Shame! (ding, ding)

frankstrawnation you're right and Ive realized this after I made the comment. However, it had just ended at the time, and it was still suffering from what it left, it definetly wasnt paradise all of the sudden. Also The film was in development way before that year, so, during the dictatorship. Maybe even intentionally, like "Kiss of the Spider Woman", which is set in the dictatorship and was only released in 1985 after it ended.

mouseketeery yeah, fair enough. But I didnt conclude that it was about the real place tho, I just meant to say it was kind of ironic due to the circumstances

Brazil also is a stupid nation where you can find stupid natives who rather live in a dictatorial country, deprived of individual liberties, than in a free democracy. This ass just right up here is a good example.

It's certainly way different in it's delivery, but you may also "enjoy" Burnt By The Sun. A Russian film that explores similar themes, but it is not fantasy/sci-fi based.

Look, I'm sorry about the balls! It was a lucky shot, that's all!

Do you read sutter cane?

Well he must get real one xD

The real one, or rather the previous one, died in an earthquake.

Which drives me so battsh!t crazy when seeing all the virtue signaling libtard/punch-a-Nazi crowds that sincerely cannot self-reference their complicit natures on-line. Although I *am* sympathetic to how that middle of the road can be just as sterile as watching from the sidelines.

@@kiba000 anarchism isn't a left wing ideology it is literally the idea of dismantling the left wing and right wing

Eric Blair? Who's that?

@@saucevc8353 : "better known by his pen name George Orwell" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Orwell

inability to introspection and blindness of people is stunning.

I guess if I had done 8 hours work in some Soviet Union Office I'd care more about going home and having dinner with my family than on some random name on a form I'd just signed. It's not worth complaining about

That's one hell of a big text that I'm not reading

I think the movie is much more about the current state of affairs on the worldwide nations, west included, than a specific critique of Nazis, Soviets and the CCP. Modern gadgets do wonder but none really works very well, system failures and hacks are constant and if you ever had to depend on omniscient google maps to get somewhere you don't know you'll sure run into rough roads; there is always a contract where you not entirely own your own devices (see right to repair movement for example), software is now mostly on pay and when your new windows have a problem you're out of luck because help is just a same routine spilled by a online technician bot , you're under constant surveillance from the government under pretense to fight off barely named "the terrorists of the year" (depends where you're from, may be called "the terrorists", "the communists", "the criminals"), a organization which holds absolutely no power at all and at the same time seems to be undestructible and ultrapervasive. Inequality and debt worldwide is rampant and ads are everywhere, just like the covered landscapes of the movie. In some countries like US, France, U.K. and now Russia, there is an eternal war and everyday bombings yet somehow the society acts like its mostly nothing, there is a brief commotion and then carry on.

@@milicoA Also they want to know what you wrote in messenger. Google Australia's encryption bill Brazil is here and now.

Beelzibubbles add a movie called After Hours to that mix.... 👍

Time for a dystopian binge, then.

It might, actually. There is a lot in our 2010s attitudes which seems closer to the new-Right 80s than the socially liberal 90s-2000s. (At least in England.) Unfortunately the film itself is just so overlooked compared to Gilliam's other works.

No its present day california. (Where people are fined the cost of prosecuting them) (look it up)

America where you can’t pay $200? You going to jail

It's not just those arrested forced to pay exorbitant fines, but prison inmates are billed for their very expensive "accommodations". Since we're talking about the poorest citizens who earn almost nothing for prison work, it's a guaranty they won't be able to survive when released. Of course their credit ratings are ruined, and they risk possible imprisonment for not paying. www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34705968

No, it's British Limousine Socialism gone horribly awry.

I'm sure Terry Gilliam considered the SEO implications of the film's title very seriously when he came up with it in the mid-1980s.

@@pauljohnson7548 He is right though the title might have hampered it somewhat... I was a sci-fi fan (still am) in the mid-late 90's as I was growing up and I missed seeing this film because I thought the title was about the country Brazil, and pictured tropical beaches, football, you know something like the film Rio and Rio 2. But the alternative titles Gilliam came up with weren't too good anyway... I have tried to come up with a better title to the film myself and failed. The title should be ironic, invoking a paradise where none exists - this is the concept of the film's current title which would have worked had the country not been more widely known than the song.

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